I am not bashing - but the same can be said of hte pubs -
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-11-11
In Reply to: Bitter, bitter dems - Backwards typist
The bitter, bitter pubs are still bashing Obama instead of waiting and giving him a chance.
He is our next POTUS and he should be given the respect he is due in that position. Everybody should start with a clean slate - at least let him get started before you tear him down...
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Obama bashing versus Palin bashing... sm
Obama will be in the forefront for the next 4 years, assuming the electoral college pans out the way the popular vote did and providing his BC holds up in court.
Palin, on the other hand, has gone back to the frozen tundra. Whether she resurfaces in 2012 remains to be seen, but can't we just wait until then to start in on her?
Was bashing her, was bashing his choice of
her. I said she was not the MOST qualified. Did not say she wasn't qualified. I said he picked because she would help with the base. That's actually a compliment.
Rather than attacking, try to understand the content.
Nobody's bashing you
Just because someone questions you it does not a bash make.
Who was bashing? sm
Someone pointed out, actually THREE someones, that a link was not working and you freaked out. Now, who is overreacting here? I tried to point out, nicely I might add, that the link was not working and you started with the only liberals could see it conversation. At least have the good graces to admit that this whole thing is blown way out of proportion. The link does not work. It just doesn't. If it works for you, I am surprised as all get out, because it just does not work for me. Settle down. Take a chill pill. No one is bashing you for Pete's sake.
What is bashing?
Thank you for your post, however, I do not need you to clarify what is a bashing post and what is not. Calling someone ignorant is not needed, debating is. I have participated in many debates both in college and within the internet and honestly debating can be done without disparaging another. Calling someone ignorant is a bash. However, you see the world one way, others see it another. Is not that reason enough to keep all posts and debates as kind as can be?
no bashing here, you are so right!
McCain is the man to lead right now. Palin is a great woman too. Obama is a good guy in many respects, but not to lead this country. He does NOT have the judgment, the depth of character or the right morality IMO. He is really a politician at heart, and its not a 'new kind of politics'... i think the senate is the best place for him.
Not bashing at all....I just wonder, though....sm
how many of you Obama supporters will even bother to admit if and when Obama does not live up to your expectations.
I noticed how no one on this board today, could even be bothered about the one issue I raised in my post, of Obama's lack of discretion, and outright disdain for our current president, by leaking their private conversation, and then lying about it. And then coming out and admitting he lied about it (or rather, his campaign supposedly said all these things and leaked them, etc...but he was the one in the oval office, not his campaign, and thus it came from him....).
Not a word from you on that subject.
No bashing here, BWT........ sm
I agree with you on all points. But the point I was making is now is the time to buy cheap and hope for an increase on your money in the future....and it will be WAY in the future.
We're all in the same boat sinking at the same time, and you're right, there is nothing Obama can do about it. Greed has gotten us to where we are, and not just the greed of the filthy rich either. I think we have about run our course here in America and the next years are going to be hard ones. I'll share my refrigerator box with ya!
Why the Bush Bashing?
Your post is nothing more than that. Grow up, get a life that is filled with something other than hate.
why the bush bashing?
Spoken like a true conservative republican..if someone does not agree with you or live like you or vote like you or have the same beliefs or morals like you, you attack them personally, without any basis in fact for the attack. Get a life? Grow up? Things that have been posted here about Bush are the truth..PERIOD..yet, you turn around and attack personally, not knowing anything about the posters. I am grown up and do have a life, full of wonderful things and also full of politics and I will post and shout out and write editorials to the newspapers on this corrupt murderous administration any time I feel like it. Thank you very much. Now, why dont you go back to the Conservative Bush sheep section.
bashing bush
I do not see the media bashing Bush, honestly I still wonder why so Americans voted for him - so confusing our Country has never been in the Pearls it is in today, our poor troops!!!!!!
It is not dissent, it is bashing..
The whole gist of your post is bashing. When I complain about bashing of liberals on the liberal board, you reply by bashing even more....and not just bashing me, but all liberals. Why does it bring you so much pleasure to hate so many?
I don't really want an answer, I'll not read any more of your posts, or AG's crowing about you and her slamming the liberals on the liberal board. They are garbage.
Geez. No one is bashing you....
You post under both monikers and denied it for a long time, then finally admitted it. Not bashing, just the truth. And when I started posting as observer on the conservative board and liberal board when both existed, no one else was using that moniker and did not, and I did not know you had used it (yet ANOTHER one) before I started using it. No one said anything to me when I started using it, including YOU, until the issue was raised about Teddy/Taiga. So, you are the architect of fiction, not me. And as to portraying the truth...I suppose one must be able to recognize it. No synopsis to it, Teddy/Taiga. The truth, and no need to check the archives. You know and I know the truth, and anyone who has been posting and following this knows the truth too. What I don't understand is why you are making such a big deal about it. You posted using two monikers, denied you were doing so when confronted, and finally copped to it. It was not a big deal then and is not a big deal now.
Obama bashing
I agree about the measure of success. It's relative. A 4 or 5 point bump isn't exactly chicken-feed when you are already in the lead, but the success of his trip is not about the polls. They will bump and slump a hundred times between now and November for both candidates and because they are skewed, construed and misconstrued, they are not that meaningful one way or the other, especially since we still have not even made it to the conventions. What Obama succeeded in as a byproduct of his accepting McCain's challenge is that he did not exactly come across as some inexperienced rookie as McCain had hoped he would. Instead, he was well received among world leaders who were obviously quite comfortable around him, some of whom expressed their open support and acceptance. He came out of this trip with an impressive stash of diplomatic capital, something that McCain has yet to even recognize as being desirable or advantageous.
It is impossible to measure the numbers of people who were or were not "impressed" by his world citizen identity, but it is possible to be one and be a patriotic American at the same time. It's not a right or wrong, either/or thing. It is phrase that reflects an approach or attitude toward world view and is more accurately defined as a philosophy behind foreign policy that does not in any way diminish love of country. For those who promote diplomacy as an effective and viable alternative to war, it is well understood. For those who don't, it is just more fodder for personal attack and is often misrepresented as a lack of allegiance. This accusation is ludicrous and insulting. Many believe that the desire to avoid and/or prevent war is the ultimate expression of love for country and it is those people who he represents well.
This "hoohah" statement makes no sense. For the sake of clarity, diplomacy is a 4-letter word for those who subscribe to the belief that diplomatic world citizens are un-American. The Berlin speech sure didn't look so "little," with 200,000 in attendance. When did McCain ever spark such interest and excitement? It does not matter where the speeches are made. It is the message that counts. The time is now for a US president who inspires admiration and unity, rather than division, hatred and terror.
The surge is part of a war that did not work, is not working and will never work. Wasn't it just yesterday and the day before that Bush and McCain said something to the effect that the invasion of a sovereign country was inappropriate for the 21st century? Hypocrites. The horrors of war are the horrors of war, no matter who wages them in no matter what country. The surge is not a black and white issue. It is honest NOT to express support for something he does not believe. Personal attacks like this are not issues, they are tactics that lower the bar on the issues dialogue. The dynamics between Obama and the Reverend run much deeper than political expediency and these cheap shots are not exactly honest either. Long-term, meaningful relationships between people who hold diametrically opposed ideals are nothing new. They happen in families all the time. Michelle and Obama were not in South Chicago as part of some clandestine black militant conspiracy. They were doing neighborhood outreach that paralleled many of Trinity church's programs. To dismiss this subject with even that one statement does not do this subject nearly the justice it deserves.
Here's that information void again. Fox and CNN played a sound byte out of context over and over and over and over. A fifth grader could recognize this as propaganda. This does not constitute "so much information," and in fact, is no information at all. To understand his relationship with Rev Wright and that church requires an open mind, knowledge of black history and of Obama's background and biography, a willingness to step out of a comfort zone long enough to face some harsh realities about race in America and most importantly, a desire to understand. Anyone who parrots the trash that Fox and CNN put out on this subject obviously does not possess those traits and will simply have to be left to fester in their own hatred. These statements are made with a very straight face.
The name calling also is not worth addressing. However, there are plenty of white folks and blacks alike who are not black liberationists who can plainly see that it is time to reign in the corruption of the corporations and all their "special" interests, with the "R" word (regulation). How exactly did Ken Lay and his ilk earn those obscene salaries and perks at the cost of those whose hard work stuffed huge profits into their pockets, and just how many lives did they destroy in the process? In a country of such vast wealth, the plight of the homeless, the depths of the poverty, the existence of hunger, the shrinking middle class, the job flight for the sake of endless corporate greed, the foreclosure rates and the health care crisis (just to name a few) are a national disgrace. What some call Marxism/socialism, others think of as simple, basic humanity. It is time for that one fundamental American value to be restored for all our sakes, once and for all.
I wasn't bashing you
I read your post above where you were claiming everyone was bashing you and you were innocent and just defending yourself. I just want you to know I read my post again and I was not bashing you in case you included me in the group of all the people bashing you.
However, here you are calling me a liar. You also are claiming I am not a religious person, and I'll quote you... "You obviously are not a religious person, but that does not mean you are not a moral person, does it?" First telling me I'm a liar and I'm not a religious person, while you may not call that bashing, I call it disrespectful. You don't know me or my religious background and I take offense to someone who makes judgement about me without knowing me.
You also do not know my viewpoints on abortion but are assuming I'm for it. I find abortion dispicable and vile and I posted that awhile back when you first posted about abortion. So don't assume anything.
And how hard is it to not read posts on abortion? Very hard when it seems to come up every day or two. And when its all in capital letters???
It's time to stop playing the victim saying everyone is picking on you and your tired of being attacked when your the one doing the attacking on others for not believing the way you do and not wanted to discuss abortion every day. I see a lot of people are tired of the subject but your answer is "If that chaps you, so be it".
I really do hope other political issues will be on this board so we can put the abortion subject behind us. Enough has been said about it and it's getting old.
skip the bashing for a second, sim
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note: this was in no way gay-bashing, as i am gay too,
but i just had to laugh at the mental image of a pitbull with lipstick, trying its best not to look like a 'klondyke'.
No bashing from me. Just agreement.
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How is this bashing Obama?
She gave you a quote--Obama's own words--and you're not getting it. He identifies with socialists and socialism. That IS the issue.
She lost...get over it. No need to keep bashing...nm
That was not necessary. Let's not start bashing again
Had enough of that before the election. She voiced an opinion. Let it rest.
Here we go - bashing posters again
you claim the republicans bash and she's not bashing YOU ARE!!!!!!!
There's a difference between bashing and...(sm)
correcting a flat out lie, which is more often than not what we see from most pubs on here.
No bashing from me. I agree with you.
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Obama Bashing
I agree!!!
This is bashing AFTER the election....these are
Being against Obama doesn't mean I was for McCain. As far as I am concerned, if Ron Paul had been given the attention he deserved and TV time, he would have gotten his points across and sounded like the only one with any sense at all...
What Obama is doing now has EVERYTHING to do with what he is doing NOW, not before. The lies are taking place NOW! Sorry you feel we are just to lie down and take the Obama railroading that is happening in our country. Saying NOTHING WILL CHANGE is sad to hear.. with that attitude you darn right it won't change. If something isn't done NOW, heaven help us all the next 4 years..... look at the mess he's gotten us into in just a few weeks... can you just imagine the next 4 years?
Issues? Gourdpainter, his lies ARE the issues. One lie after the other. Surrounding himself with lobbylists after saying he would DO AWAY with them is a MAJOR issue.... that isn't a before the election thing, that is happening NOW!
Getting our troops out is a NOW thing... remember he said he would get them out pronto?! Not happening! His lies are a NOW thing; they happen on an ongoing basis. These are not issues BEFORE his election.... these were promises he made to GET elected and then he screwed us all over BIG TIME!
He yammered on about poor folks with no healthcare but his wife was quietly dumped out of her $317,000 a year job at a hospital that was receiving MILLIONS of dollars to help the POOR PEOPLE.... a program she headed up and seemingly had no sympathy for the poor black folks without healthcare! She was quietly released from her job.... a job that was done away with with no replacement for her.... doesn't that tell you her job wasn't a position that was necessary in the first place other than to dump indigent patients off on other hospitals? You don't think that is an issue NOW? It speaks volumes about these people. After all, Obama is still yammering on about his healthcare program and trying to ram it down my throat.... you think that's not an important NOW issue?
And you don't think you are extreme? Christian bashing again, I see. nm
I'm not bashing and I never agreed to leave
but I am growing tired of this so that should give you some hope.
Bashing and discussion are two different things. sm
Evidently the moderator agrees, as she hasn't paid a visit to the boards.
The subject in this post is bashing...nm
Good manners and bashing
Could you clarify why telling someone they live in ignorance is markedly different from calling that person ignorant. They appear to be the same to me. Either way, it is a bash. There is no reason not to have good manners, whether on a political forum or at a tea party. Good folks have good manners, generally.
I notice that when bashing and poor manners occur, the person who is bashed is then attacked as being thin-skinned and not appropriate for political debates. It seems to be suggested that there is something ultimately wrong with a person who does not like being treated poorly. It's a way of deflecting the core problem of lack of manners.
Just food for thought. I'm sure there is room for improvement with all of us......
Not bashing, not going to challenge, just have question...
you say Obama talks about the things that mean the most to your family...what are those things? You say he has what it takes to bring the country together...can you be more specific? What is it that he has that makes you believe he can bring the country together? Thanks.
I hear what you are saying....and I am not bashing either...see inside...
but my point about liberals was not bashing. The liberal creed if you will, that I read about, is admirable...but my experience has been, like it was here, that you seldom find individuals who really reflect those ideals, and if they did, the world WOULD be a better place. That is not a bash. Several of the posters here do not tolerate any sort of challenge or disagreement to what they believe or their candidate. When you post something they don't like, it is like a gang mentality...they pile on and support each other in the attack, and not just me, any conservative poster. That is bashing.
You left out these bashing posts...."I think she is off her meds"...."sam is arguing with herself"....those are bashes. "go make a fool of yourself.." that's a bash. "You can exercise free speech until the cows come home, nobody is interested in your fanaticism..." - bash. "This poster just needs to go away." bash. and here is a lovely one that was not directed at me, but of the same ilk "poster is a jerk to say the least...what a douche bag." That one is particularly pleasant, don't you think?
And there was "You don't snort crack you jerk"...that one wasn't even in an abortion thread. I quoted Obama's book and was told that I was a liar and I could not have read that because he didn't say that. Just automatically called me a liar when one Google search would have told them I was telling the truth. The animosity is toward me...the abortion thread is just an excuse for more piling on. But that is okay...I have broad shoulders.
and...here is the all-time classy favorite, "it is not murder you jack a-hole."
You have to look inside the posts to find some of the real nuggets.
Oh I left out religious wacko...and I never posted anything about God telling me to do anything, although that has been attributed to me as well. And I was told to take my religious ranting to the religion board.
I do appreciate what you have said here. And I appreciate the lack of bashing. For you there are more interesting things in politics going on, and I do post about other things. And get bashed for most of those, because I do have conservative viewpoints which obviously 90% of the people who post here don't share. Doesn't matter...we are all entitled to our opinions and to express them. It is a basic American right and we should exercise it.
And so far, I am the only one here who has said I defended the rights of all who post here, even the ones who bash me.
I am not saying I will never post another abortion thread. I have no immediate plans to do so. The issue will probably come up again as the campaign progresses, because Mr. Obama has a pretty radical abortion stance. My only suggestion to you and the others is that if I do, just ignore it, and it will die right there. You will have accomplished what you want to do without name calling or anything else, no long threads, no attacks, no nothing. Just one little post sitting there. It can't go anywhere if no one replies to it. How can any of you object to that?
Thank you for the post. :-) We can have civil exchanges.
So this is you NOT bashing Obama/Biden?
Joe Biden told the truth about his "old friend," John McWayne. He also has a right, if not a mandate from the party, to take issue with failed policies and to define exactly how a McCain coronation would be nothing more than 4 more years of the same old poop.
Whether or not their "friendship" survives the battleground of election politics not a burning concern. The nominee needs to be loyal to the cause of the party. Joe Biden most definitely is that. Once and for all, for some it's all about personal attack politics, but for most of us, it is about issues, issues, issues. BTW, the bus analogy is getting a bit tired by now. It's value was spent long ago during the Rev. Wright rampage.
That snipe about adoring throngs is typical Fox News reporting replay, designed to misconstrue, mislead and spin the reality of the moment. Fact is that Obama has attained celebrity status, not only among his supporters, but all over the globe (85% approval rating in France for example), because those "followers" recognize the charisma that arises out of such personal characteristics as sincerity, honesty, credibility, integrity, intelligence, determination to succeed against all odds, perseverance, courage, compassion, imagination and vision, to name a few. John McCain has about as much charisma as a weather-worn doormat. They also identify with the simplicity of his message of hope, dissatisfaction with the status quo and change.
On the question of inexperience. Let's put this in a little perspective. Obama: 4 years state-level Illinois senate, 4 years US Senator. To say he has "no experience" in foreign policy affairs would require overlooking the fact that those 4 years were war on terrorism years. He at least knows the ropes. In comparison let's begin with the 2 best examples of inexperienced presidents. These guys managed to leave behind them legacies as the most brilliant and inspired leaders in our nation's history. To further illustrate the point, there are a few more examples cited.
1. JFK: Despite 6 years in the Massachusetts House of Representatives and 7 years as a US senator, he was relentlessly dogged by his own party's elders for being the new kid on the block, based primarily on his youth. When placed in context, his credentials become fairly impressive, to say the least, considering he had achieved 13 years of experience by the age of 46 (one year younger than Obama), when he was sworn in as president. Like Obama, Kennedy's rising star was launched at age 40, when he became a first term US Senator who later entered the presidential race after an electrifying convention speech in 1956. The cronies did not take him very seriously at first. When challenged by his party's colleagues on this issue, he replied, “Experience,” he said, “is like taillights on a boat which illuminate where we have been when we should be focusing on where we should be going.”
2. Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the most inexperienced of them all and a political late-bloomer, was elected president at age 52 after 2 short years as a US Senator from Illinois. This beginner managed to make one of the most significant contributions to the progressive advancement of American values that, to this day we continue to elaborate.
3. GW Bush had no experience beyond one 4-year term of state level politics as governor. The mockery he made of "representing" the best interests of Texans is well documented. His failures in virtually every business venture he ever tried and his silver spoon sense of heritage was the stuff of legend in the Lone Star State. He was a horrible governor. His tenure as president has been an utter disaster.
4. Bill Clinton had a little more on the state level, but no federal level experience. At least his state-level experience reflected well on him in that regard: 2 years as Arkansas Attorney General (1977-1979), and 11 years total as Governor (1979-1981 and 1983-1992). Must have been doing something right for his constituents, since they kept bringing him back, just like they did when he served 2 terms as a rookie pres.
5. Ronald Reagan. Lots of on-screen acting experience in Hollywood, 8 years as a Governor, none whatsoever on the federal level. Want to dish about the rock star/"celebrity" candidate? Guess not. California, home of Hollywood, is entitled. They have another celebrity governor who, like Reagan, won that office without any prior political experience whatsoever.
6. Jimmy Carter. Three years in the Georgia State House of Representatives and 4 years as Governor. No federal experience.
Does not seem to have been much of a REAL issue in the past…probably still isn't. That "so-called" bad image of the US among world leaders is justified and well deserved. Fact remains that, while others before him had their hand in this erosion of US standing, George Bush's contribution in this regard is unmatched in recent times. Piece of work, that guy. Denying this will not make it any less true. Don't waste your time speculating on how well received Obama will be tonight or how seriously he will be taken. For most of us, including, Ahmadinejad or Medvedev, we are drop dead serious about the direction the our country is going and will be looking way, far beyond spineless, impotent personal attacks and examining the question of how many among us and across the globe share his vision of the future….same questions the republicans will have to face, at long last, next week.
Oh, Bravo for the judging and bashing
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So much for honest no bashing answers....LOL
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What content? All I see is more Repub vs. Dem bashing.
How is posting his stance bashing?
People are not supposed to compare the two?
oink right back at you. Keep bashing SP.
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I'm not bashing Clinton's Initiate at all. It is
a great thing. It just seems that if McCain had to rush back he would not have time to stop by there and give a little speech, campaigning, since he is suspending his campain.
As to the debate, I think someone below mentioned what she had heard of why not postponing it. I don't remember what she said, but it is posted.
She was very confident. Quit the bashing.
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For all your republican bashing, the economy was
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Thank you. I am sick of the Bush bashing too. Oh,
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You can give up the Bush bashing...
guess what, your chosen one is fuck***g our country, just the way he has always wanted to. Blind the people with pretty speeches (Hitler), promise them free healthcare, free college, pat them on the as$ and tell them he will take care of them....bend over baby, you won't even get the satisfactin of KY Jelly!
I doubt it and I'm not bashing O or the party,
just the people he is selecting for his cabinet. I think we should start some sort of pool to see who can find an honest person in D.C. and the winner gets the prize. 
I said Palin was pretty- do you consider that bashing?
You are so 1 way you cannot completely read the postings, can you?
You said DUMB AS A GOURD. That's bashing.
Raed your own message, R-tard.
Bush Bashing. Right now, I am more worried about
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After all the Bush bashing this is refreshing....
just like Bush gave the left so much ammo, the great and powerful O is giving conservatives a lot of ammo...he's just gotta be him, and that is plenty of ammo. Good grief, with all due respect...he has only been in office 5 months and has completely turned is back on most of his campaign promises and is looking about as much like Bush as Bush...lol. He is Bush on steroids....we are only just realizing that Bush was Obama lite! What a hoot.
The administrator requested there be no bashing on this board and you are most certainly
When we libs bash on your board we get banned. When you cons bash on our board you get away with it.
Either way, we were requested by the owner multiple times not to bash on either board. Yet you continue. Why?
It's okay for gt to wish people to burn in hell, THAT'S okay, but THIS is bashing. sm
Whiners.
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