I am curious if either of you believe in the death penalty
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-25
In Reply to: For the most part I agree with you. - gourdpainter
It is still murder but of a (hopefully) guilty person.
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So are you against the death penalty? sm
B/c I agree that only in rare cases should the death penalty be used, i.e., mass murderers and serial killers, people who harm children, etc.
But yes, I was rationalizing. I would expect that in a state where the death penalty is legal the governer must rationalize when making decisions regarding clemancy (sp).
I am against the death penalty. SM
I didn't use to be, but I am against it now. I do know that certain kinds of criminals, rapists, child molesters, have a high rate of recidivism. They just cannot be rehabilitated. I think they should be locked away and never let out.
I am not for the death penalty
I think the only way a person should die is when it is their time, not by any other person's decision. I do think the jails/prisons these days give way too many perks though.
Death penalty
I think when someone commits a henious crime, such as raping and killing a child, they have forfeited their right to life. That's just my opinion.
Exactly right. Same with the death penalty.
What is most horrendous to me is that one might kill an innocent human being.
Are you for the death penalty, for the bombing sm
in Iraq or anywhere else that collaterally kills innocent men, women and children?
I do believe in death penalty and abortion rights and in your case
I kind of wish abortion was retroactive
the death of Wall Street is the death of the USA...you really want that????? nm
Report says no PENALTY for this????? nm
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As long as you pay them with penalty interest
Just like he did.
yep....and tax everyone to death
for it like the Europeans do. We are over taxed enough as it is, and to me over taxation is slavery. I don't expect anyone to be forced to take care of my medical bills, so why do you think I should be forced to take care of yours? I voluntarily tithe to my church...nobody beats me over the head every Sunday and makes me do it. I do it out of a spirit of giving. God doesn't make me do it, so why should the government?
One reason drug prices are so high in America is because of litigation. People want drugs here, but if there's an ill side effect or someone falls over dead....let the suing begin!!! We are a country of wusses and victims, and then we wonder why we pay so much at the counter, because all the costs of lawyers and endless studies just to try and keep litigation at bay
If we would get over our selfish wussification then life would be so much more bearable for all. We would take care of our sick and elderly like God directed us to do in the Bible and our world would be a much better place, but I don't see selfishness ending anytime soon not as long as people think someone else should go to work for them when they are capable working and then pay their medical bills to boot.
sick to death
And..in the midst of all this chaos, when IMHO, no one should feel like partying, vacationing..we should be worrying and doing whatever we can..but in the midst..where is Condoleezza? Why, on a two day vacation in NYC, taking in Spamalot, the broadway show..chuckling it up, while New Orleans burns and people die. A witness said people were shocked to see her enjoying herself at the theatre when parts of her country are descending into madness. Then she went to Ferragammo (spell?) and was buying shoes for a few thousand dollars. Someone walked up to her and started telling her off, about how could she party when America is in such pain. She called security over and had the woman evicted..such is how OUR SERVANTS act, like they are king and queen. I mean, come on, even if you couldnt care less about what is going down, show a little respect and stay home until this is under control..FEMA should have gotten planes and aid out the very next morning to the gulf region, Bush knew this was gonna be a bad storm..he could have had the planes loaded up and waiting for the next morning after the storm..but, as is usual with this administration, Bush and his cohorts wait until chaos, as in Iraq, and then he acts but then it is too late. Well, the other day I posted how one day the masses will have their backs up against the wall and American politicians will have to create programs and help them..I see a minor version of what I was posting about..and, like that song says..*when you aint got nothing, you got nothing to lose*. This is an extremely dire situation..If the people in the gulf region dont calm down and get things under control on their own, the police and other authorities will not be able to, unless they shoot them all..and that will put blood on their hands and Bush's hands for not acting fast enough to show these poor people, that the govt cares..I am sick to my stomach over the evolving situation.Bush's approval is at 46%, just wait it will be even lower next time a poll is taken..
The Death of Outrage.
Ever read it? Great book. Bill Bennett wrote it. It's very applicable to certain people. You might not like it. Well, anyway, what Bennett was doing (and he explained it) is what you would do in a hypothetical philosophical discussion.
I'll use a silly example: Suppose we were in the Star Wars galaxy, both former senators, sitting at a posh club on Coroscant drinking jin-jin juice. You happened to remark to me, You know, I hear it has been said in the Outer Rim that if we killed all the Jedi babies, there would be less mind control instances. Now, some ditz from the Tatooine Times-Picayune records us secretly and has it on MSNBCABCCBSNBCFOX channel on the Galactic Network. Except, they only playback this part,if we killed all the Jedi babies, there would be less mind control instances. Would you still say it was stupid, ill-conceived of yourself to say that? Bennett was alluding, of course, to Freakanomics, and if you don't know what that is, then you have no business even discussing this subject at all. But if you DID know what that was, and you were of a mind to say, he should have mentioned Freakanomics often during the conversation, then I would ask you this. Do you constantly say over and over in each sentence in a conversation any reference you are alluding to in a discussion? Oh, I know how very bad many here want to portray Bill as a racist. But he isn't. Not that the truth will matter one iota to you. Remember that stupid remark your HERO Bill Maher made on his show that got him yanked off the air? Remember, he called Clinton a coward and the terrorists heroes. He wasn't really serious, he was just kind of throwing it out there, but GOSH OH GOLLY people took him seriously and POOF he was gone. He's back, which is unfortunate, but I know how much you like him. See, sometimes people say things in ways you really have to dig for the meaning. I will give you that Bennett could have said what he said differently. Hyperbole is wasted on people with concrete thinking (all Republicans are rich, The Democrats are the party of the poor). What I WON'T GIVE YOU is that Bennett is a racist. Because he isn't.
*Death squad?*???
What have you and your professor friend been smoking?! Where do you think we learned the word jihad oh scholarly one? We learned it from the terrorists. Perhaps you and your professor friend should hold classes for THEM so that THEY understand what jihad really means. As far as stereotypes...you can talk until you are blue in the face. When Muslims stand up and start denouncing what is being done in the name of Islam and are instrumental in trying to stop it, I will be much more interested in what they have to say. And if 5 foot tall red headed Texans start flying planes into buildings and blowing people up in the name of the 5 foot red headed texas gods, you can darn well bet I will be suspicious of 5 foot red headed Texans! Sheesh. You are UNBELIEVABLE.
Sick to death of it all.......
Is anyone else just really tired of this election and all the crap that goes along with it? I'm so sick and tired of political parties. I'm tired of the families of the candidates being targets. I'm tired of the mud flinging. I think I'm going to take a break from all the political hoopla.
Is anyone else sick to death of
both pubs and crats. They both lie. They both try to pull quick ones by pointing out what the other party did so they can do something while no one is paying attention. Our government as a whole makes me sick. I'm truly sick and tired of hearing the bickering back and forth by the two parties. I truly feel like neither party gives a rat's behind about us. They are all about doing what they want.
SPARE ME TO DEATH!! This has NOTHING
This problem has been around a LONG, LONG time - quit trying to blame Obama for THAT too!
UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE....
Just curious...
Did your body experience a sudden, involuntary CHOKING/GAGGING sensation when he mentioned how much he respects Cindy Sheehan's opinions? Mine did.
Why? Just curious. sm
Alex is not an extremist (libertarian, not Libertarian party). There is a media blackout surrounding 911 - wonder why? Google a video called Loose Change and watch it. The facts and evidence that they lied to us are plainly there. Those of us who want the truth to come out are in the millions, not in the minority. The survivors, witnesses, and family members, etc. have a web site: 911truth.org. Please go and see it for more information.
I'm curious
On AOL today one of their topics is Barack Obama admitting his previous drug use. It links to an article that gives a little quote of what he said to high school students. I was wondering if anyone else knows of any links or knows how he is talking about this issue.
Meaning - the stuff I read essentially made it sound like he was saying ' I was bored and didn't have anything else to do' with only one line saying he did it to 'escape' (my word not his). I think it would be a very BAD idea to tell high school students ' I did it because it was fun' (again, all my words, not his)
I was just curious if he's ever gone into more detail (the article said he does in his book, which I have not read). I would like to know if he is trying to use his experiences to teach people - this article certainly did not make it sound that way.
TIA!! 
I am curious about something you said.
If you are seeking an issues forum and have been turned off by all this childish banter (which I agree, it is), why then would you base a decision as important as who gets your vote on the juvenile emotional trash you see here and denouce?
I'm curious
Do you guys have anything to add other than, "Yeah, well Obama " every time someone says something about McCain that is not positive? The thread is not about Obama, and I'm pretty sure the Contras were far more organized and scarier (and US gov. backed, mind you)than Mr. Weather Underground, not that anything he or his group did is permissible in any sense.
I'm curious about this
I wonder what this "affordable" insurance will cover. I did IC work for awhile and checked around with different policies and there are "affordable" insurance policies out there right now.... What I happened to check into didn't help too much with preventative but it was 100% hospitalization but it was "affordable."
Can you show me anything that shows me what exactly this "affordable" insurance will cover?
Also, I'm curious what he considers "affordable"..... $25 a month? $500 a month? It just seems very vague to me.
I am curious to know
"progressive" candidate is? Is this a good or a bad thing for you? Also, there is an avalanche of "doctored" photos out there. Seeing is not believing during an election year, especially as polarized as this one is becoming.
I think world leaders "endorsing" Obama is a good thing, friendly or not. It doesn't mean anything particularly suspicious or scarey. In a democracy, even communists and theocrats are entitled to their opinions. I think the interest they are taking in this election is a positive sign. People across the globe are counting down the months, weeks, days, hours ad seconds left in the W administration. I know that personally, I am positively ecstatic at the very thought of a Bushless world. Why should world leaders be excluded from participating in such a joyous occasion?
just curious about SNL
i didn't see it, but also have heard absolutely nothing about how Sara Palin did on there -- was she funny? relaxed? any awkward moments?
I was really just curious . . .
not looking for an opening to slam anybody. The only reason I am against the death penalty is the 1 in whatever chance the person is innocent.
I am not for abortion but I think it is going to happen whether it is legal or not. Even the ancient Greeks used herbs for abortion. My dad was a cop in the inner city when abortion was illegal. Back then there were no ambulances and the police answered all medical calls. He saw so many woman dead or dying from self-induced or illegal abortions, he lost count. He didn't believe making it legal increased the number of them performed, but just provided a more accurate way for them to be counted.
As far the child molesters, I'm with you on that one.
curious
First, did Sarah Palin's daughter have her baby? I saw her a few times on TV and she didnt look pregnant. If she did have it, what did she have?
Second, the election is over right? Why are some so bitter. Our guy didnt win. Okay already. Nothing we can do about it now. I fear that pretty soon, we will have way more on our minds than this stuff.
Just Curious
Do you feel our government would be better if it was a theocracy instead?
Just curious...(sm)
Who do you think he should have picked?
Just curious
Have you ever actually talked to one of those people who were layed off in the auto industry? I know several and not one of them knows about this $31 for playing checkers stuff. All say if they had they would have demanded their share. One did take advantage of their retraining program and got a CDL. After finding out truck driving wasn't for him, he moved to Houston and went to work in the oil industry. Reality check: If they can draw $31 an hour for playing checkers, why on earth would they be worried about losing their jobs? Per Judge Judy: If it doesn't make sense it isn't true.
Just out of curiosity....how on earth do you people who do all the research and posting, likely not limited to just this board, EVER find time to work?
I am curious.
If this were to get a fair hearing in a court of law, and the decision were to be against the validity of of the Hawaii birth certificate, exactly what do you think would happen next?
Now I am curious, how much have your
??
Just curious........... sm
What is the $252/year tax called?
Our school district is also about to raise our taxes in the form of a bond election in order to construct a new elementary school (we outgrew the current one) and make repairs to the jr high/high school building that was built 35 years ago (and on the cheap at that), so I know what you are talking about. We already pay rather hefty taxes, not to the extent of your district, but when the taxes might be $300 and you don't have it, they may as well be $3,000,000.
just curious...
why does one have to have their staff to go to dinner and theater?
Just curious here.....
David Letterman gets away with saying that ARod impregnated Palin's 14 y/o daughter at a baseball game as a "joke" and yet Don Imus gets fired for saying "nappy headed hoes." Either Imus should never have been fired or Letterman needs to get the boot. But of course Letterman won't because no feminist is going to stand up for any daughter of Sarah Palin's and as far as the left winged liberal media goes......you can make jokes about a 14 y/o having sex with an adult ball player if it is Palin's daughter. Personally, if I were ARod.....I'd be all pi$$y about it as well. Letterman was not funny and, IMO, he owes an apology.....which will never happen but it should.
The wish of death posts happened
however, the moderator deleted them very quickly. Conservatives are being attacked with no mercy on the C-board. These people post nothing that has to do with the subject matter posted but go straight for the jugular. You are incorrect when you say it isn't personal, because it is extremely personal at times. One long term poster was stalked and threatened by e-mail back when posting an e-mail link was an option. I think you are as free as anyone to post your feelings and beliefs on any board, but when those posts become personally hateful, threatening, or wishing someone death or extreme ill will then that poster be it conservative or liberal needs to go. Recently, the most hateful posts have happened on the C-board. The moderator has said over and over "no bashing", but they still continue to do it. What do you expect the moderator/administrator to do?
Not that I wish you to leave, but If you don't feel comfortable posting here you certainly don't have to stay. There might be a forum where you would feel more comfortable and better fits your posting style. Again, this is a privately owned board, and the administrator is free to discern anyway he/she wants. However, I think the administrator would agree EVERYONE needs to play by the rules.
Iraqi death toll....sm
See link for full article below.
*According to the graph, Iraqi civilians and security forces were killed and wounded by insurgents at a rate of about 26 a day early in 2004, and at a rate of about 40 a day later that year. The rate increased in 2005 to about 51 a day, and by the end of August had jumped to about 63 a day.
Extrapolating the daily averages over the months from Jan. 1, 2004, to Sept. 16 of this year results in a total of 25,902 Iraqi civilians and security forces killed and wounded by insurgents.*
JFK speech 10 days before his death. sm
Please take 5 minutes to listen to this. It gave me chills. He truly was a visionary and what a great loss to America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEqtaWpKEU&search=JFK%20on%20Secret..
Death squad on this board....
what *spurious ultra-left wing* crap, Teddy! The more appropriate way to use the term death squad is in reference to: the Achille Lauro squad, the Beirut Marine barracks squad, the first WTC squad, the African embassy bombings squad, the Cole squad, the 9-11 squad...THOSE are DEATH squads. How many THOUSAND lives were lost? Actually dead, Teddy, D-E-A-D. THAT is what a DEATH squad is. For you to like the American military to a *death squad* is tantamount to treason as far as I am concerned. You tell ME how you are going to *negotiate* with those people? *hawk extremist war?* Helloooo....we were ATTACKED and nearly 3000 people killed in just ONE of the attacks I listed above. ALL carried out by radical Muslims. Not a one carried out by anything OTHER than a radical Muslim. Maybe being attacked like that does not make the attacker an enemy in your books, but it certainly does in mine.
As I said to Lurker and I will say to you, that as long as there are, in your words, *other people fighting and dying for you,* to protect your right to come on any board, stand on any street corner, and shout your *spurious ultra left wing canned rhetoric,* hopefully you will never have to know what it is not to HAVE that right. Because whether you want to pull head out of your liberal alternate reality and into the real world or not, THAT is why you have that right. Because men and women over hundreds of years have fought and died to get that right and preserve it. And as long as Americans like us, the so-called *hawk extremists* ARE willing to fight to retain that, not just for ourselves but for you too, you will retain that freedom you so covet to blast us with.
You're welcome.
this poster advocating death of
a political opponent. Moderator should be involved here.
You people are scared to death of her.
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Welfare and the near death experience
I studied social work and worked at children services. Welfare amounts to $115 a month for an adult which said adult has to work 40 hours for (at least in my state - Ohio). If you have small children - you do not have to work the 40 hours until they are in school. You do get food stamps. Some live in "projects" with reduced rent. You might qualify for home heating assistance in the winter (most times it will not cover the entire bill). If you get on a percentage of income plan on your electric - you still have to pay the whole bill at some point in time - it just keeps adding up. Welfare accounts for less than 15% of the income taxes we pay, politicians would like you to think it is a lot more. Welfare is no picnic - it sux. The mentally ill who are homeless cannot collect any type of benefits as they have no address (smart guy, that Reagan). If we wish to be a "community" then we must extend a helping hand to those who are less unfortunate than the rest of us.
A high-profile, corporate take-over attorney had the good life and was ruthless in his job and did it very well. Every day he had to step over this wino lying on a heat vent on the sidewalk when he walked to his office. He despised that wino. Freakin' bum. One day that attorney had a massive heart attack. He almost didn't make it. He claimed to have had a near death experience in which he was told by Jesus that the bum he stepped over every day had chosen that as his lot in life before birth so as to teach the attorney some humility and compassion. The attorney never forgot this "dream" when he recovered from his heart attack. He devoted the rest of his life advocating for the poor and walked away from all the trappings of his "elitist" life. True story - cannot validate it at this moment.
Oh brother - president of death???? please
Because our president believes in a woman's right to choose you call him a president of death??????? Because he's fighting so that children themselves who get pregnant and not emotionally or physically or financially able to have a baby don't have to have one you say he's a president of death?????
Your other post was religious oriented, hence with all the talk of God and how we're all doomed and are going to he!! that belonged on the faith board.
Our president is not a president of death. We have a president who is on the side of a woman being able to choose.
Obama does not want to "murder" babies. You really need to get your facts straight before proclaiming something that is incorrect. You may disagree (as I do about some of his policies - who doesn't), but to say the things you are saying is outrageous and bordering on lunacy.
Obama does not want babies murdered and he certainly is not a president of death. You are certainly the one who is misinformed (not uninformed).
If you want to protest taxes, health care, the spending bill, foreclosures of homes, loss of jobs, etc, that's one thing, but abortion is a religious viewpoint and by your posts professing to know that Jesus is alive/here (or however exactly you said that) and god this and god that and you'll be praying for all of us, etc. That is a topic for the faith board so take it there.
and I am sick to death of the media sm
targeting Christians and Christian groups. I don't see how a Bible study is inconveniencing anyone! If folks block your drive that is another matter. Then they should be asked to move, park elsewhere whatever. But a Bible study group is not inconveniencing you or anyone else.
I would rather have a Bible study group next door to me than what some neighbors have to put up with.
Where does this stop? Like I said before, if someone wants to have just 12 people for example, then that is ok? You can't do anything about that. Where is the limit going to stop? I'll tell you where, when society has banned Christian gatherings altogether! That is when it will stop. This is nothing but a serious effort to persecute Christians and I don't care what you think about it.
Obey the law??????? Just because it is a law doesn't mean the law is right. This country was founded on judeo-Christian values and principles. The government has no business telling me what I can do in my own house and what I cant. A "study group" is not a church meeting.
What would be the difference if say you had a kid in high school or college who had 15 friends over once a week for a "study group." Do you think that should be banned too? Going by what you say it should. But I guess its ok just as long as it doesn't step on the toes of non-Christians, then it would be called discrimination.
and I am sick to death of the media sm
targeting Christians and Christian groups. I don't see how a Bible study is inconveniencing anyone! If folks block your drive that is another matter. Then they should be asked to move, park elsewhere whatever. But a Bible study group is not inconveniencing you or anyone else.
I would rather have a Bible study group next door to me than what some neighbors have to put up with.
Where does this stop? Like I said before, if someone wants to have just 12 people for example, then that is ok? You can't do anything about that. Where is the limit going to stop? I'll tell you where, when society has banned Christian gatherings altogether! That is when it will stop. This is nothing but a serious effort to persecute Christians and I don't care what you think about it.
Obey the law??????? Just because it is a law doesn't mean the law is right. This country was founded on judeo-Christian values and principles. The government has no business telling me what I can do in my own house and what I cant. A "study group" is not a church meeting.
What would be the difference if say you had a kid in high school or college who had 15 friends over once a week for a "study group." Do you think that should be banned too? Going by what you say it should. But I guess its ok just as long as it doesn't step on the toes of non-Christians, then it would be called discrimination.
What a curious posting
I'm not sure why you would want to flaunt the fact that you are an uncaring person who enjoys giving others discomfort.
I'm also not sure why you'd want to post such as an ignorant comment as:
The only outrage liberal Democrats ever feel is mock.
You show little understanding or concern for other people, but worst of all, you seem proud of it.
No, curious as in wanting to know...
and it is obvious what you are "compelled" to do.
Curious about your post
Hi - as I read your post, think I may have missed something... when did the MT stars change to a new owner, is that something recent? I used to come here on MQ board but no more... and not as often. Just wondering what the scoop is, if you are allowed to post it here. I can imagine getting the threatening emails was disturbing... and from a "religious" person at that... and, I agree, if you have a liberal/conservative, and a Christian board, there should also be a nonreligious board too...
Thanks.
I'm curious. Why did you put this post up here?
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curious, who do you consider to be a fake
Just wondering.
I think he looks like Curious George.
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