I am also Roman Catholic. What's wrong with that?

• SC Roman Catholic priest says Obama supporters shouldn't receive - Holy Communion
  • Aren't they interfering in something that's not in their competency?.....sm - abc
  • Now I've heard it all!!!!! s/m - gourdpainter
  • I will be so glad when the culture wars are over - I am so sick of this junk
    • Yep. - Isn't that the truth.
    • Exactly s/m - gourdpainter
      • I am also Roman Catholic. What's wrong with that? - abc
        • Gross. - sm
          • THANK YOU!! Finally, a voice of reason! - (sm)
          • That's almost as sick as...(sm) - Just the big bad
            • You need to check your facts, dear heart. - sm
              • What I have is personal bitterness...(sm) - Just the big bad
                • You need to get help for your bitterness. - sm
                  • News flash...(sm) - Just the big bad
                    • Rant away if it makes you feel better. - sm
                    • Message to Just the Big Bad... - Another Big Bad Atheist
                      • We religious wackos in America are - about to find out what
                        • ROFL...Please by all means....(sm) - Just the big bad
                    • News flash - yourself, you need to read - her posts again....you
          • Thank you for not tip toe-ing thru the - tulips! You are telling the
        • answer s/m - gourdpainter
          • Thanks, GP...nm - abc
          • Not being Catholic........ sm - m
            • Where does this damnation come from - Presbygirl
              • Right here.......... sm - m
            • good point s/m - gourdpainter
        • Help me understand.... sm - m
          • Yes, I could! It is MY baby and MY belly!..nm - abc
            • OMG - I hope you're not an MT!!!!!!!! - sm
            • Thanks for explaining it to me..... sm - m
              • Thank you for your fairness and tolerance......nm - abc
            • Abortion : adoption....s/m - abc
              • abortion:adoption....for 99.6 percentile...sm - abc
                • Not 99.6 percentile, but not stupid either - (sm)
                  • What a stupid statement by........sm - abc
                    • Good point there - big double standard re life
          • Let me say this s/m - gourdpainter
            • I agree with you, GP.. sm - m
              • I totally agree with you. - gourdpainter

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The Roman Catholic church believes that any nonbarrier birth control method is abortion.  That includes birth control pills, I.U.D, patch, anything.

They also believe that every sexual act should be open to the gift of a baby by God, therefore condoms and diaphragms are not really keeping things "open."

They also believe that avoiding sex during your fertile period using the "rhythm method" is also bad because theoretically you could avoid having children altogether.

However, it is not a mortal sin not to have children, just follow the above rules.

So Pro-Life really is not a political issue.  It really is a religious issue that they turned into a political issue.

By MEG KINNARD | Associated Press Writer
9:04 PM EST, November 13, 2008
 
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) _ A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers — and voters — should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County — traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas — went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

Conservative Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

"Father Newman is off base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."

A man who has attended St. Mary's for 18 years said he welcomed Newman's message and anticipated it would inspire further discussion at the church.

"I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

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On the Net:

St. Mary's Catholic Church: http://www.stmarysgvl.org/

Here is a mere sampling of responses to Nancy Pelosi's attempt to rewrite the abortion issue on Meet The Press on Sunday.  Flame their words all you want, but this goes back throughout the archives at the Vatican.  Also, Pope John Paul was just as outspoken regarding this subject as Pope Benedict is. 

If someone can find a way to justify abortion after reading these posts, all I can say is "good luck."  Do your own research and you'll see where many Catholics "in charge" are far from impressed with this. Search Pelosi abortion, Biden, etc., and you'll find plenty. Evangelicals feel the same way.

http://thehill.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75650&Itemid=70

And another from the Washington Post:

Archbishop scolds pro-choice Biden

Valerie Richardson and Julia Duin
Tuesday, August 26, 2008

DENVER | Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. arrived at the Democratic National Convention on Monday amid rumblings over whether his pro-choice Catholicism would help or hurt the Democratic ticket.

An Irish-Catholic from a working-class upbringing, Mr. Biden won the nod as presumptive presidential nominee Barack Obama's running mate in part because of his appeal to blue-collar Catholics, the same voters who swung during the primary for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Although he represents Delaware in the Senate, Mr. Biden grew up in Pennsylvania, a must-win state for Democrats in November.

But the party's hopes of winning the critical Catholic vote took a hit Sunday when Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver said Mr. Biden should avoid taking Communion as a result of his pro-choice stand on abortion.

Archbishop Chaput, who was scheduled to lead a pro-life candlelight vigil Monday night here in front of Planned Parenthood, called Mr. Biden's support for abortion rights "seriously wrong," said archdiocese spokeswoman Jeanette DE Melo.

"I certainly presume his good will and integrity," said the archbishop, "and I presume that his integrity will lead him to refrain from presenting himself for Communion if he supports a false 'right' to abortion."

The archbishop, who was not invited to speak at any convention events in what appeared to be a deliberate snub, told the Associated Press that he would like to speak privately with Mr. Biden.

The debate underscored what has emerged as a central theme of this year's convention: the tension between the Democratic Party's renewed outreach to religious voters and its long-standing support for unfettered access to abortion.

At a panel discussion Monday sponsored by Google on "The Shifting Faith Vote: What It Means for the Election," panelists said that concerns over social issues, such as poverty, are moving some faith-based voters away from the Republican Party.

At the same time, they haven't aligned with the Democrats, primarily because of the abortion issue.

"The push for the Democratic Party is to have a new position on abortion," said Steve Waldman, Editor of the religious Web site beliefnet.com. "When you look at Catholics and evangelicals, you see that they agree with 80 percent of what [Mr. Obama] says, but there's this stumbling block with abortion."

Whether pro-choice Catholics should take Communion became a major issue in 2004 during Democrat John Kerry's run for the presidency when more than a dozen bishops, including Archbishop Chaput, publicly asked the senator from Massachusetts not to present himself for the Eucharist.

Their stance may have given a boost to President Bush, who increased his share of the Catholic vote from 47 percent in 2000 to 52 percent in 2004.

Catholics, the nation's largest religious voting bloc, represent 26 percent of the electorate. Alexia Kelley, executive director of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, said that 11 percent of those this year are considered "swing voters," more than in any recent election year.

Catholic advocacy groups didn't wait long before weighing in on the "wafer wars." The conservative Catholic group Fidelis condemned the selection of Mr. Biden.

I have a lot of conservative friends and I seriously doubt they would condone this.   I knew there was a reason I stayed away from these boards.   As the poster above said, your post came up in a headline or I would never have come here.  

Not with the priests who do the molesting.

Not with the Senator who absolves the priests of blame and instead blames the Liberals.

No.  Instead something is definitely wrong with ME for my outrage that a Republican Senator can make such an outlandish, IRRESPONSIBLE statement, instead of trying to SAVE these children and condemning what the priests are doing.  Unfortunately, this is typical of the Republican party these days.  Typical of the "We are perfect and make no mistakes" mentality that's prevalent in this country.  They couldn't be honest if their lives depended on it.

Not everyone is a liar.  Only the ones who have done it on this board before and don't deserve to be trusted or believed again.

It's quite simple. If you want to be believed, stop lying.

What posts are you talking about?  Either I wasn't here then or you're wrong.  I've read through most of the posts but don't remember seeing that.  Prove it.

I corrected myself.  I admitted to my mistakes.  I always admit to my mistakes, and believe me, I make a lot of them.  I'm even harsher on me than the neocons are.

If the neocons could just admit to theirs, the dialogue might be more productive.

We both could be wrong.  I find debating what if's a waste of time. 

The simple answer to any what if question is:

If you're right then I'm wrong.  However, I find dealing in knowns a better way to logistically deal with any scenario.  You can what if yourself all day long and never get anywhere.

Despite the UN ruling that Israel completed its withdrawal from southern Lebanon (UN, June 18, 2000), Hizballah and the Lebanese government insist that Israel still holds Lebanese territory in eastern Mount Dov, a 100-square-mile, largely uninhabited patch called Shebaa Farms. This claim provides Hizballah with a pretext to continue its activities against Israel. Thus, after kidnapping three Israeli soldiers in that area, it announced that they were captured on Lebanese soil.  Israel, which has built a series of observation posts on strategic hilltops in the area, maintains that the land was captured from Syria; nevertheless, the Syrians have supported Hizballah's claim. According to the Washington Post, the controversy benefits each of the Arab parties. For Syria, it means Hizballah can still be used to keep the Israelis off balance; for Lebanon, it provides a way to apply pressure over issues, like the return of Lebanese prisoners still held in Israeli jails. For Hezbollah, it is a reason to keep its militia armed and active, providing a ready new goal for a resistance movement that otherwise had nothing left to resist. In January 2005, the UN Security Council adopted a resolution condemning violence along the Israel-Lebanon border and reasserted that the Lebanese claim to the Shebaa farms area is not compatible with Security Council resolutions.

I never said this person was sent to SHUT DOWN down the board, as I was accused of saying by the rude, rabid person you're defending.

I said this person was sent to crash the board (as in INVADE the board, as in someone who would CRASH A PARTY). 

Yes, I made the mistake of posting on the other board twice before I read further and realized the nature of these boards.  I haven't repeated that mistake since.

I suppose I can expect 3,869 more posts from you to make us even for my two posts.

After reading some posts by you on your board (such as Prophecy certainly is being fulfilled.  So much of the world has turned their back on Israel.), I can totally understand your blind, unquestioning loyalty to Israel.  You obviously believe the end times are near, and if you don't support Israel, you won't get to spend eternity with people like Ann Coulter.  People like you scare me because I believe you will do anything it takes to self-fulfill that prophecy.  That is yet another reason why religion and politics don't mix; I can't help but wonder if God told Bush to bring the end times about, which he seems to be intent on doing with his bomb first, ask questions later tactics.  After all, God told Bush to go to war with Iraq, and Bush obeyed that order.

Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury and obstruction of justice, with the votes split along party lines. The Senate Republicans, however, were unable to gather enough support to achieve the two-thirds majority required for his conviction. On Feb. 12, 1999, the Senate acquitted President Clinton on both counts. The perjury charge failed by a vote of 55–45, with 10 Republicans voting against impeachment along with all 45 Democrats. The obstruction of justice vote was 50–50, with 5 Republicans breaking ranks to vote against impeachment. 

So....even though he was not convicted and not told to step down from office....he was still impeached.  Only one president has been impeached and told to step down and that was President Andrew Johnson...I do believe.  President Nixon chose to resign rather than be impeached.

It is not that the Soup Nazi didn't have any soup, it is just that he was free to deny soup to anyone he felt was not deserving of it.  The same goes for us.  We are not obligated to respond to your demands for documentation if we feel you are not deserving of it.  Therefore, no soup for you!