I agree with part of your post.
Posted By: Backwards typist on 2008-12-13
In Reply to: Hiya Backwards Typist...how are you? sm - ms
I believe most people WANT socialism because they think it will save them and protect them from all the bad things in the world. Just think, free healthcare, free gas, free homes.
I could go on and on, but I have to leave. Pooch wants to go play in the garage. If she doesn't get her way, she starts moaning and groaning. 
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I agree, corrected myself in a post below. I shouldn't have added that part as a factor nm
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I think we agree for the most part
however, from what I heard of the tapes I don't think this teacher was just throwing his opinions out there. He was teaching them as fact. I think even if he was transferred to a political science class then he would still need to tone down his rhetoric several notches. You can teach any class from an objective point of view with very little effort. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, I think teachers need to be very careful about much of their own opinion they teach to students.
For the most part I agree with you.
But I admit I am a hard-liner so this is my opinion and my opinion only before anyone pounces on me.
I believe life begins at conception and I believe abortion at any point is murder. In this modern age, I see no reason, other than perhaps the mother's life being at stake, where an abortion might be acceptable and that decision, I believe is for the mother and the mother only to make. I will not speak to the issue of rape or incest, I cannot imagine what a horrible experience that might be. I have never been in the position, thank God, to have to make that decision. Anyone who has sex should, and likely does, know that pregnancy is a possibility whether or not they use birth control so if they aren't willing to accept that responsibility, maybe they should not have sex. I know somewhat of what I speak. I had 3 unwanted pregnancies in my early years. All 3 are living and I love them dearly and cannot imagine what life would be like without them. I am thankful I didn't murder them although at the time it was beyond me how I was going to care for them.
I would agree with part of your statement...
however, the major difference is that there is Congress between the "radical Christian Texan" and those weapons. There is no such in-between for Amhadinejad. In other words, no checks and balances. If he decides to nuke Israel, it is a done deal. He doesn't have to go to anyone for permission. That is the big difference. Yes, Democrats did vote for the use of force in Iraq, just like the Republicans did. But I seriously doubt, unless we were attacked first, that Congress would vote to allow the use of nukes on another country, and then it would be a completely last ditch choice. I have at least that much faith in Congress on both sides...there is a lot of rhetoric thrown back and forth, jibes, political posturing...but when it came down to a decision like that...I have faith that Democrats AND Republicans would not allow the use of nukes even if the "radical Christian Texan" wanted to. Which he does not. He just does not want Ahmadinejad to have them, and frankly, those countries closer to Iran than we are should be very afraid unless they are Muslim states. It would be harder for him to get to us than it would be for him to get to them. And if he hit one, you do know who they would turn to first for help, don't you? The good old US that they hate and despise. WWII all over again. They didn't like us much before WWII, loved us when we were pulling their fat out of the fire, the instant they were safe again they were yelling "get out of our country." Same old, same old. It is not like the loved us when Clinton was President and hate us now. They love us when they need us and hate us when they don't. History bears that out.
As to overpopulation...what is the answer to that? Like China did, limit the number of children a couple can have? Use abortion for population control? Force people to be sterilized? I am not ranting, just asking the question.
As to the global warming thing...there is so much information out there to both sides of that issue, I frankly am not sold on either side yet. I am still researching that one. I do believe that some of Gore's assertions don't hold water, like catastrophe is imminent...I can't find a lot to support that. But I am open-minded and I continue to research.
I agree. It should be part of the process. Because he...
is as responsible as she is, more so in the case of an adult and a minor. But as long as it is about money with the clinic...they are not going to do anything to interfere with the cash cow. It's about the money.
I agree with part of what your friend says....sm
"the policy of letting big financial institutions play fast and loose with people's money by bundling a whole lot of complicated things together (including worthless mortgages) and selling them to others."
She's rather naive to believe her liberal professors, though, that blame it squarely on the republicans.
Liberal democrats in Congress and those rich liberals running all those big financial institutions, are 90% to blame. Period.
She needs to stay in school a while.
Part of the original post by Anon.
If memory serves, the poster did advocate looting and was encouraging it.
A question about the religion part of your post.
In an attempt to verify your claim that the ACLU will go to court against a Christian who wants to wear a cross, I essentially found myself on a dead-end wild goose chase. I found a number of ACLU cases challenging the display of cross on public land (one of the more fascinating ones described below) and on various other forms of displays, but could not find a case challenging an individual's right to wear a cross. Could you please cite the case you are referring to?
I also am interested to know more about your protest of discrimination against Christians "going nowhere near the white house." Yes, our founding fathers were Christian, but their wisdom of separating church and state in the First Amendment has been addressed already this morning in a separate post. Nobody is lumping all Christians into the same barrel.
Our other First Amendment guaranteed right ensures freedom of speech for all individuals, including the ones who take issue with the more extreme forms of politicized Christianity, just as you take issue with the extreme politicized forms of Islam. It is fair if those people speak out regarding their desire to see constitutional principles upheld in the face of what they perceive to be theocratic creep and crawl into mainstream politics, particularly where universal laws are at issue. In terms of sharing the gospel, most definitely you have that same freedom of speech guaranteed under the First Amendment, as do those who find it exceedingly intrusive and offensive.
I am wondering if you somehow have confused a person's body with an 822-foot mountain top? Is this the ACLU case you refer to?
Mount Soledad Cross controversy court battle from 1989 to present day. The cross, 43 feet tall from base to tip, sits atop the highest peak (822 feet) in San Diego (72 feet above sea level), making it a highly visible landmark. The history of the court battle is really quite fascinating. Here is it in a nutshell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad_cross_controversy
Since 1989, the Mt. Soledad Cross has been involved in a continuous litigation regarding its legal status. According to the interpretation of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and No Preference Clause of the California Constitution by the opponents of the cross, it is illegal to display a religious symbol, such as a Christian cross, on public land, as it demonstrates preference to a specific religion and thus violates the separation of church and state. Judges have sided with plaintiffs on multiple occasions and ruled that the cross is illegal and has to be removed or sold to the highest bidder. Defenders of the cross have explored several opportunities to circumvent judges' decisions. In the most recent development, the land under the cross was transferred to the federal government. Critics of the cross allege that, even if the transfer itself is legal, it does not solve the fundamental problem (the cross is no more legal on federal land than on city or state land). The latest decision was rendered July 31, 2008, with appeal required to be filed within 60 days of the decision.
This post part of which I have copied from the conservative board is over the line
Well, gotta tell ya all..I have tried to take the conservative posts and laugh about them..but, however, being a descendant of the Holocaust, having lost great-great family members and still having a beloved friend who was a survivor, with tattoos on her arms and memories to tell all...I TOTALLY STRIKE OUT AT THIS POST..CALLING ME A NAZI IS THE MOST WORSE THING ANYONE COULD CALL ME..AND IM AM MOST DEFINITELY GOING TO CONTACT THE MONITOR AND ADMINISTRATOR..THIS IS UNCALLED FOR..THIS ATTACK IS IGNORANT..These ignorant people throw around genocide and nazi and THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HECK THEY ARE EVEN POSTING ABOUT..
**At least on these boards the two-initialed Nazi is allowed get away with her genocide of anything conservative, but that's not helping the post count on the board at all.**
I agree with your post, and I still think it's
possible to have an intelligent debate by both sides, but maybe just not on these particular boards unless you can just learn to sift through the posts that are less than informative.
Some of us came from another board, and there are a couple of posters from the other board who simply cannot tolerate views that are different from their own. If they can't debate without resorting to personal attacks and have even "adjusted" the facts on occasion to fit their particular need to prove a point about how bad liberals are.
They attack in groups reminiscent of hornets, and then they routinely whine and complain to the administrator, stomping their feet like 2-year-olds, and their targets are either banned or messages like the one today from the administrator appear.
If we all stay on our own boards, of course, there's not much opportunity for debate because we all come from the general same place. I saw an excellent post on the Conservative board by someone who intelligently set forth her views, without any personal swipes and/or attacks, without passing any judgment on anyone. I didn't agree with some the poster's views, but I did compliment her on the excellent way in which she portrayed them. I haven't seen any posts from her since, and even though I don't agree with her, I would love to see some more of her posts because I learned something from it. That particular poster definitely gained my respect. I hope the few who don't command much respect didn't chase her away. I noticed that none of them even bothered to acknowledge her post, and she seemed to be just as conservative as they were. People with thoughtful, intelligent posts like hers, unfortunately, are few and far between and are overrun by the negative juvenile ones, as I'm sure you can see just from visiting both boards. I hope she reads this post and decides to visit this board.
This is our country, and a lot of us think it's in a huge mess. Whether we're Conservatives or Liberals or somewhere in between, it's up to us to each think independently and speak for ourselves, even in a forum such as this, and to question what we perceive as right/wrong, explain it in an intelligent, coherent, truthful manner, and debate it in a healthy, nonjudgmental way. If we can't even do that on the most basic of forums like this, we might be in deeper trouble than any of us could have thought. 
I agree and I put a post about it above.
I don't agree with the attacks on the children themselves, but if you don't want the world questioning what kind of a parent you are or how you can handle it, don't advertise yourself as the "PTA, hockey mom." That's great, now let me know how you plan to do it all. I'm curious about it more than anything else as I am still undecided.
I don't think it is sexist to ask how. Is her husband going to quit working and be a full-time stay-at-home dad, or are they going to have a nanny. I am not saying that a nanny is wrong and a lot of dad's stay at home with the kids now, which I think is great. I just want to know. Asking the question to Biden is ridiculous as his children are grown. I believe Obama has already answered it, or his wife has because she has said she is the primary caregiver.
I agree with your post
What would be the harm in teaching creationalism in school? Just as most apparently see no harm in teaching evolution. Teach them both, let the kids decide what they believe.
My personal belief is creationalism, but this is not the issue of my post, I just don't see what the harm is in teaching both sides and letting the kids decide for themselves, after having all the facts...
Other than this, I agree 100% with your post, including the part about the pregnant daughter. I feel more comfortable knowing that Palin is facing the same issues *real* people face every day. She and Senator McCain most definitely have my vote!
I agree with this post 100%.
Like I said before, female George Bush.
I agree with your post.
It's not all his fault that this country is the way it is. Although I wished he could have done a better job, he did the best he could with all the people that were against him.
I listened to a speech he made from the heart a few months ago and he came through very truthful and caring. It was not one of the stupid speeches for him that makes him look dumb.
I wish this stupid partisan politics would be banned but, of course, it won't. As long as the house and senate continue to fight among themselves and against the president (and I don't care who the president is), we are still going to be in a mess.
As long as the media keeps taking sides, we will only ever see the bad of the party they don't like.
As long as people don't research to try to find their own solution on whom to vote for, they will pick a president that is their own party.
A phone call to Doug Dougan yesterday by a lady stated that all her Jewish friends were voting for Obama because they didn't care for McCain. That is the stupidest reason to vote for a candidate. They don't care about the issues, just that they don't like McCain. If other people feel like this, then heaven help us. We'll have to do quite a bit of praying Nov. 4.
McCain is coming to our area on Monday. I called to get tickets yesterday and they were gone already! That's how much people around here care to listen to the issues. Did the O or Biden come here? Nope. Doubt that they will. The last presidential candidate that came to this area was JFK in his first run for president.
I agree with your post.
Parents don't know how to parent today. My grandson, who just turned 1 is already taking hissy fits if he doesn't get his way; i.e., wants to be held by only mom and dad, wants to get into things that he shouldn't, etc. What do they do? Coax and cajole. No time outs for the fits and of course, grandparents don't know what they're talking about when suggesting things to do.My DIL is mad at me cause I opened my mouth and said "no" to the baby.
I fear more for my grandson's generation than I do my son's, and I also have 2 GC's old enough to vote. Don't know for who but I can guess..
Agree with your post. So sad how
uninformed voters are, even to the point of voting for Obama and thinking Palin was his running mate. Agree also with MLK and coattails. MLK did not promote abortion, telling his own granddaughter it was murder of a life. I don't see how they share much in the way of personal philosophy. On posts below mention is made of McCain's adultery. Well, from what I have heard, Mrs. King also had her burdens to deal with as many of us have. This falls under personal and is not for us to judge. Not judging someone is incredibly hard. Now we need to get back to the job of being Americans and relish the joy and freedom of knowing in another 4 years we have the right to do this all over again. So, it is time for us to skip the kool-aid and start making lemonade.
I agree with your post. (nm)
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I agree, well done post!
Very, very well said! I agree 100%.
only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article. This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
I agree the Lurker's above post is right on...
My post was to say that the pat answer of Reps to Dems who disagree with Bush is to call them nuts, morons or haters. That's all I was saying. For Heavens' sake, Lurker is most definitely RIGHT ON! Do you think any of these rednecks would take this from Clinton!? Hell NO!!
I agree with M Obama - here is my post
This is the message I said I would post here.
In reply to the Clinton’s had nothing to do with the last 8 years. This is absolutely correct, but the Clinton administration was just as bad before that. The Clinton years were the worst of my adult life (and my friends and family who are staunch democrats). So we’ve actually had 16 years of garbage for Presidents (20 if you consider Bush Sr.). Government grew and paychecks shrunk. Promises broken, tax increases (with the Clinton administration). The Clintons did nothing for the middle income people. Their “1% wealthiest” friends continued to receive more benefits. Our families friends were losing their houses and had to go back to living with their parents as they could no longer afford to live anymore. I think a lot of people forget the following:
Somalia – another unnecessary war
Kosovo – another unnecessary war
Elian Gonzales
Receiving money funded from china (treasonous tradeoffs I think it was called) for his re-election
Bill & Hillary stating they never heard of people (criminals who gave them money) when indeed they have pictures.
Hillary’s financial and other records sealed so nobody would find out the stuff she did (why?)
Monica Lewinski
Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley, Juanitta Broderick, etc, etc,
Vince Foster (untimely passing)
Ron Brown (untimely passing)
Hillary pulls Bill off of D. Morris as Bill is getting ready to punch him in the face yelling at him “Bill, think about what your doing”. Then walked around telling D. not to say anything to anyone.
Numerous times secret service had to pull Hillary of Bill
Hillary’s foul language
Hillary’s “female” relationships
Bill’s “female” relationships
Lying under oath
Impeached
Decimating our military within two weeks of being elected
Whitewater
Ban lifted on gays in the military
They destroyed and stole white house furniture and artifacts on their way out. Urinated on carpets, walls, etc. It was a real mess to clean up.
And those are only a few of the highlights of the Clinton administration. She wants to take credit for anything good that happened, then she better take credit for the bad too. Especially when she was running the show while Billy was off with his girlfriends.
They are both a couple of criminals and should have gone to jail for half the stuff they did. So while the last eight years have been bad, the previous eight were just as bad. - And all my MIL can say to me is.... "oh but he's so good looking".
As does ANY post that doesn't 100% agree with
Then she flies into this total tizzy and starts pounding out these 'War-and-Peace'-length novels, filled with all her little clips and quotes. She's so hell-bent to be RIGHT all the time, that it actually works in the opposite way, and causes the reader to believe she's a little TOO DESPERATE about being right all the time. Someone needs meds.
Good post! I agree with you both!!!!!!
I agree, Lu. Thanks for your post. I added one
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I agree with you...good post -sm
Unfortunately the rest of them on here can't even comprehend what you said. Now they are going on about not working? Good grief!
I personally don't agree with your post here.
Many of us on this board don't mind helping those who are trying to help themselves and just need a little help. However, I do have a problem supporting and paying for people who refuse to work, educate themselves, etc. If they aren't willing to try, why should we have to pay for them. That is the problem. If we were really all in it together, that would be different but you have people on one side who don't want to work and just want a free ride and you have the other side that is trying to work to support themselves but are told we should support the people who don't want to work either. That is just crap.
So don't say I lack compassion. I have compassion for people who are trying and need help. However, I have no compassion for lazy weasels who would rather get a check in the mail for doing nothing than actually work a day in their life and earn their own way.
I agree - I don't even need to see rest of post. nm
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What a great post!! I totally agree with everything you said.
Anyone who knows me personally knows that when Bush was running for President in 2000, I told everyone I know that if he's elected, we'll find ourselves at war with Iraq. Nobody believed me.
It's ironic that the reason DIDN'T vote for him in 2004 was the very same reason I didn't vote for him in 2000: I was against war with Iraq.
What is particularly troubling about all this is that Bush appeared to use the tragedy of 9/11 to justify his war against Iraq.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that this war will eventually be deemed as an illegal war.
We don't know what al Quaeda will do next. Wouldn't surprise me to discover that they were part of the "hacking" team that got ahold of everyone's credit card numbers the other day.
If Bush cares so much about America, he could begin to show it by monitoring our borders. He's been incredibly negligent in that regard.
He promised he would not impose a draft. Yet, recruitment goals haven't been met for several months now. If I had a child of that age, I certainly would try to talk him/her out of joining the military. The government has proven they lie to soldiers, hold reservists hostage, fail to provide adequate equipment to protect soldiers, etc., etc., etc! He will have to bring back the draft, and we can add that to the gazillion lies he's told.
I think your post was great, and I particularly enjoyed the one regarding Hitler that you wrote above. You nailed it!!!
I agree excellent post! One that has to make one think.
I own Mississippi Burning. Good movie.
I agree. I do not post to change minds that...
cannot be changed. However, a lot of people come here to read and never post, and I think people should see both sides of an issue posted. You can't make an informed decision with only one side of things...or you shouldn't. That is what America is about. Thanks for your post!
I agree - have never read one post of racism
In fact the total opposite.
Excellent post and very well said. I couldn't agree with you more. nm
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I agree - Where in the world did racism come into this post?
I am also a non-racist Christian who questions Obama's religious beliefs. Please explain how you got anything racist out of her posts?
Great post, Chele. I agree. Besides,
parents have to consent to ANY OTHER procedure for the child, why would this be any different?
Abortion is a horrible, horrible thing that is used by Planned Parentood to make money and used as birth control.
Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly...m,
Extremely well-stated post! I agree with you 100%
Most importantly, it was YOUR decision, along with your doctor. It was NOT the decision nor the business of anyone else.
Hats off to you!
Wonderful post. I agree wholly with it.
There are too many people in this country who have the attitude "It's my way or the highway".
The below quotes were sent to me by a friend. I didn't take time to look them up, so they are fair game for anyone who wants to take a shot at them. Sorry for the type style on them. I couldn't seem to make them smaller.
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas JeffersonI predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Very Interesting Quote
In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Great post, MT! I totally agree with you,
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Agree...great post. Please come back and share...sm
your ideas.
Great post, Chele... totally agree.nm
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I agree, Kaydie. Great post!!! Thank you for serving
the USA. My family and I appreciate you!
I agree with poster below. Don't even waste your time reading the post. - Sarcastic and utter no
Oh brother - get real.
I think you are right, but only in part...sm
The bigotry is the other part. What escapes you was the FACT pointed out in this article that blanks are disproportionately denied parole when their white counter parts are allowed parole time for their crimes. No bigotry there...maybe not???
Another sad part...s/m
Yes, due in part to a "surge" there is less violence in Iraq at this time. How long will this last? I certainly do not know. What will the situation be in Iraq in 2 to 5 years? I certainly don't know, but my gut tells me that you cannot go into another region of the world, bomb it extensively, ruin the lives of so many people, impose your will in trying to "plant the flag of democracy" in a region that does not want that, and have a good outcome. It was a terrible mistake in invading Iraq, and I don't see a good or happy outcome long term. That's my opinion.
I got to this part
A reduction in the violence does not mean that things are “going well,” only that they are going “less badly.”
-And I loved it! Exactly.
Here's the sad part...
You came across this article. You read it. You believed it and posted it because:
a) it said what you believe and
b) we (liberals) must believe it too because it is from a Democrat who is against the war.
Did you not question the validity of the statement? It came from an opposer, so it must be true? Do you believe everything you read simply because it says what you want to hear?
If the article had stated his specific reasons for believing so, I would have been more inclined to believe to be true. But again, it was a blanket article that says very little except his opinion. I think the article is short sighted and your posting it most refutable.
All that it did was convince me further that all your postings do is to try and take the very complex issue of Iraq and over simplify it to justify your war position. Not unlike what the Bush administration has done from day one in regards to dealing with it.
No one with half a brain believes that the progresses being made in Iraq is soley due to the troop surge, and there is plenty of documentation out there to disprove this theory.
Wasn't that the intent of your posting? Try to convince others that the surge is working? It didn't work. We are not that gullible.
I am most happy and pleased about the small gains that are being made, and I recognize them for what they are. But I am also realistic enough to know that those gains can disappear tomorrow regardless of the increased forces because there is no real stability established in the country. Our military is not the one who is going to create that stability. It is just a superficial band-aid at best. It is going to remain a hostile territory until the Iraqi people decide for it not to be and that has to come from reconciliation on the three parties involved. It won't make any difference how many troops we have there.
No I'm sure that part won't be on there. sm
I like to go to Huff and read the stuff, most it makes me laugh, the blogs; but ya gotta take it all with a grain of salt. Thanks for geting my point about the whole post, it being about Fox news and not about McCain or Obama.
I feel that with all of the side stuff, both sides are like little kids bickering, we are forgetting about everything that is important. I am so tired of both sides bashing the other, it is a waste of time and money.
I think it is all part of the......... sm
"American Dream" picture and White House tradition as well. Remember Molly, Barbara Bush's dog? I think Molly got more attention than George did at times.
Part 2
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings.
The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill
The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the
taxidermist leaves the skin.
Mark Twain
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill
the world with fools.
Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress.
Mark Twain
What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.
Edward Langley, Artist (1928 - 1995)
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
enough to take everything you have.
Thomas Jefferson
but part of what got us here
is many, many people abusing the system and getting free handouts when they should have been working.
The problem with our nation is the mentality that everyone is owed something. There is no pride in hard work anymore! And yes the rich thing they are owed loop holes, and the poor think they are owed handouts, and well the middle class is just p.o.'d at both of them!
Unfortunately if we start taxing the heck out of the rich they will just cut jobs from the middle class who pays taxes and then the poor who receive handouts won't be taken care of because we won't have any tax money left!
Before anyone gets mad, I understand completely that their are poor people who need help, and that doesn't bother me. The welfare system was originally created for single mothers though, not single mothers and their babies daddy and for the mothers to have 14 babies so the community to take care of them!
Here's a good idea for creating jobs: hire more caseworkers to investigate everyone on welfare and the ones that are abusing it lose it, which puts money back into the system for those that need it! The ones that abuse it should have to do community service to make up for it!
The sad part about this....(sm)
is that it's gonna get a lot worse than this before it gets better. As far as staying in their homes until they get arrested, some of them may not have any other choice if they don't have anywhere to go. If they go to jail, at least they have a roof over their heads. I don't think Obama's housing plan covers those who have already been evicted, but they need some kind of relief. At least ACORN is trying to help them, regardless of how they're going about it. What a mess.
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