I agree with one thing....what she did was ridiculous...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: Do you know what bipartisan is? Both sides made concessions in order to .sm - oldtimer
inflammatory and downright stupid. She is supposed to be the leader of the house...and what she did was just plain stupid. According to the Republicans interviewed they voted no because that was what their constituents were wanting them to do in ratio of about 99 to 1. Still, when she was supposed to be a leader in a bipartisan effort, to make that silly speech right before the vote...seriously poor judgment and she is 3 heartbeats away from the Presidency.
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The most ridiculous thing about a post like this...
is that people actually think it helps their cause. lol.
Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Yeah, and the SP thing is ridiculous. She is found
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If they proceed with this ridiculous "crimes" thing,
We will see to it that every Democrat who was informed of these operations is named as a co-conspirator. We will also go back and review some elements of operations conducted under Bill Clinton's regime. And, the next time Republicans have the reins, we'll see that Obama is prosecuted for every lie he told in office.
So I say bring it on, Obama. We might as well find out just HOW stupid you are.
Good grief...that is ridiculous. I would say the same thing if he was white...
Geez...paranoid much?? LOL.
He IS a millionaire. Why should he spend campaign money to go visit his grandmother when he could afford to take himself?
The POINT was dissing Palin because the campaign bought her some clothes to be used on the campaign, not for personal use, and to be donated afterward. He will spend that much on burned jet fuel. I would say the same thing if SHE was black and HE was white.
Chill.
I would agree except for one thing. sm
They are teaching our future generation. Whether I give them power or not, and I don't, they have unlimited reign to spread their propaganda.
That is not the same thing. While I do not agree....
with many of the arcane tax laws we have, redistribution of wealth is taking money from the private sector and directly redistributing that money to people who did not earn it. Not from the tax coffers that every american pays into. To put it more simply...say the government decides to take half of what you have and distribute it to your neighbors who don't have as much as you have. That is what Obama is talking about. Plays on class warfare...taking from the haves and giving it to the have-nots. When we pay taxes into tax coffers it is up to the government (sad to say) how that money is spent. We have control over that. Now what Obama has said he is going to do is bypass the tax and rebate system, choose which private sector company he wants to "tax," and redistribute that money directly back to people who did nothing to earn it.
I agree with you on one thing....for sure....
there are problems in BOTH parties. They have, for the most part, lost touch with us out here in Middle America. I am talking about the upper tier policymakers in the parties, the ones who REALLY run them, not the rank and file members. The Democrats dissed part of their rank and file members this week and I think they will live to regret that. The Repub hierarcy did the same thing, pushing McCain over the others when they should basically stay out of it and let the people decide. Now, if McCain is smart, he will choose a VP who is not a rote party yes person. I will wait for that.
But, BOTH parties need to clean house, and it needs to be back to what the majority of the people want, not what the upper tier of the political parties want. On EITHER side.
I agree with one thing you said. sm
You said:
We need to drop our RELIGION and DENOMINATIONS
I couldn't agree more. We need to drop religion and start thinking like rational human beings before it's too late. Stop believing in fairy tales like the bible. Revelations? Good grief. Try thinking of things in terms of facts, evidence, science, and reason instead of looking in an ancient book of fiction (the bible) and expecting it to predict the future for you.
and I will agree with you on one thing too
Actually my dad lost his job back in the 1970s but it was very difficult for him. he wanted to work longer, but the company was gone and he had no place to turn. So basically he was "retired" about 7 or 8 years before he planned. Fortunately, for him and for us, my parents had always saved well, did not spend money they didn't have and lived within their means so they were able to live fine anyway. What I will agree on is that they stood together on things the way people no longer do. When their company was asking cutbacks (which was got the union going on their strike idea in the first place) several of the younger guys were in jeopardy of losing their jobs. My dad and his three friends had worked there for 40 years, those being the jobs they took when they returned from their service in World War II. People used to stay at jobs and be happy to have them! Anyway, these four men each took a week off every month (voluntarily and without pay) in order to allow one of the younger guys to keep working and not be let go. Now that is admirable. That is how people used to treat one another. Now it's all about ME and no one else matters. That is one of the biggest problems I see today - selfishness. The whole strike issue is too ambiguous. It accomplishes nothing. The workers go on strike. if they succeed, the company gives them what they want (more money, better benefits - again, more money). Then the costs of the goods produced or service rendered goes up so the company can pay these higher salaries and increased benefit costs, and everybody pays more for the goods and services so in the end nobody came out ahead. You may have ended up with a bigger paycheck but had to pay more for the same stuff so what good did it do in the end? It was a union power play, and it hurt many,many people. Sorry, rambled on there. The outsourcing issue is a problem due to business taxation in this country, and we have one candidate who wants to increase business tax. How will that help? NOT.
At least we agree on one thing...LOL....
However....you totally miss the Joe the Plumber point. What difference does it make if he WAS a plant? I do not believe he was, but even if he WAS...this is America for the love of Pete!! Can't an American, Republican or not, ask a candidate a simple question??? No one forced Obama with a gun to his head to give a socialist answer. He did that all by his little ol' self. That goes to show that he BELIEVES that. That is what he BELIEVES. He believes in redistribution of wealth. He is a socialist. Hello. lol. :-)
I do agree with one thing you said about him...
he is intelligent. The rest of it...remains to be seen. I do not see integrity in someone who throws a 20-year relationship under the bus when it becomes a roadblock to the Presidency. Whether he has ALL the peoples' best interests at heart remains to be seen, not an established fact. As to the best and brightest in his campaign...I could not disagree more. Two of his advisors (until he also threw them under the bus) were main orchestrators of the Freddie/Fannie mess. Bring our nation to honor? That certainlyyyy remains to be seen.
The only thing I agree with you on is sm
the fact that he took over a mess. But making a bigger mess??? How did that help tell me please?
The only thing Obama is doing is sitting in Washington giving orders to print more money when there is none....something that the rest of us would go to prison for.
Obama is up there "playing president" for the next four years and making the biggest mess this country has ever seen. Then again, I guess if you are so far to the left you are pretty blind and cannot comprehend common sense.
He is making a laughing stock out of this country. He has no respect for the military. Our enemies are sitting back laughing at us
I'm sure. Who you gonna blame it on when the next attack on this country happens? It won't be Bush's fall, it will be Obamas fault for letting the guard down of this country.
The only thing I agree with you on is sm
the fact that he took over a mess. But making a bigger mess??? How did that help tell me please?
The only thing Obama is doing is sitting in Washington giving orders to print more money when there is none....something that the rest of us would go to prison for.
Obama is up there "playing president" for the next four years and making the biggest mess this country has ever seen. Then again, I guess if you are so far to the left you are pretty blind and cannot comprehend common sense.
He is making a laughing stock out of this country. He has no respect for the military. Our enemies are sitting back laughing at us
I'm sure. Who you gonna blame it on when the next attack on this country happens? It won't be Bush's fall, it will be Obamas fault for letting the guard down of this country.
The only thing I agree with you on is sm
the fact that he took over a mess. But making a bigger mess??? How did that help tell me please?
The only thing Obama is doing is sitting in Washington giving orders to print more money when there is none....something that the rest of us would go to prison for.
Obama is up there "playing president" for the next four years and making the biggest mess this country has ever seen. Then again, I guess if you are so far to the left you are pretty blind and cannot comprehend common sense.
He is making a laughing stock out of this country. He has no respect for the military. Our enemies are sitting back laughing at us
I'm sure. Who you gonna blame it on when the next attack on this country happens? It won't be Bush's fall, it will be Obamas fault for letting the guard down of this country.
I totally agree, and another thing. sm
Despite what liberals may think, Conservatives did not go to the poll and vote for liberals to express their displeaure. They just didn't vote at all. As you said, it was apathy. I voted because it is something I would never consider NOT doing, but I was less than enthusiastic about some of my candidates.
I agree. Another thing I would like to see change is.s/m
Corporations being given incentives and tax breaks to move their businesses to other countries. Workers in the United States need jobs too. I would like to see that repealed, and I hope that it is.
Hey that's the first thing you've said that I agree with
helping the situation.
I don't agree with the entire thing....
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I'll agree with you on one thing
the American people are, for the most part, ignorant sheep.
I agree...have read the same thing. nm
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I agree with one thing you said. Abortion is
definitely evil.
One important thing we can all agree on:
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Agree. The whole thing is just sickening.
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I agree this would be a good thing if it passes....
but she should move the ethics investigation to Harry Reid next:
REID'S LAST KNOWN NATIONAL MEDIA APPEARANCE: October 18th Trying To Explain His Ethical Issues. Sen. Reid: I bought a piece of land, sold it six years later. Everything was reported. It was all transparent. (CNN's Newsroom, 10/18/06)
[H]arry Reid Has Been Using Campaign Donations Instead Of His Personal Money To Pay Christmas Bonuses For The Support Staff At The Ritz-Carlton ... Federal Election Law Bars Candidates From Converting Political Donations For Personal Use. (John Solomon, Reid Used Campaign Money For Christmas Bonuses At Personal Condo, The Associated Press, 10/16/06)
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid Collected A $1.1 Million Windfall On A Las Vegas Land Sale Even Though He Hadn't Personally Owned The Property For Three Years ... (John Solomon and Kathleen Hennessey, Reid Got $1 Million For Land He Hadn't Owned For 3 Years, The Associated Press, 10/11/06)
- Harry Reid, The Senate's Top Democrat, Makes Frequent Trips To His Home State Of Nevada. Over The Past Four Years, His Bills At Caesars Palace, Mandalay Bay And Other Las Vegas Establishments Have Totaled More Than $125,000 ... (Brody Mullins, Lawmakers Tap PAC Money To Pay Wide Array Of Bills, The Wall Street Journal, 11/2/06)
That would also be a good place to start.
and you agree with ever single thing Obama says
Knock yourself out--but I prefer to think for myself. I only pick the candidate I think is best--not perfect
Here is one thing dems and pubs can agree on
We're glad its over.
Okay - back to work for me, just thought of that.
I'll agree with you - not on the crow thing
But the disturbing fact that he is surrounding himself with the Clintonites. I thought the O kept running on the platform of Change. This is not change. This is the same ol same ol. The Clinton presidency was so nauseating and so much damage was done. Even though I didn't want the O to win I at least had hopes he would bring in new people. Not the same bumbling bubble heads.
Yeah, I agree about the rebellion thing....(sm)
I was talking about Sarah herself being the example, not her daughter. I think politicians should be held to a higher standard. Yeah, I know that Sarah wasn't the one that got pregnant, but in this day and age that doesn't matter too much. I think given the fact that the republican party was going to have a hard time winning the election anyway (considering the war, the economy, Bush, etc), it was just a bad choice to pick someone in that situation as a running mate. Having said that, I'm not sure just how much, if any, that situation actually hurt the ticket. If it did hurt the ticket then I would think that it hurt them more with pub votes more than with dems.
You did a wonderful thing, and I agree with your ultimatums, but....psm
Why do you, and many here, equate being a Democrat to be "weak, whiny, spendthrift, too soft," etc.? Personally, I agree with many of your points, and have always loved the proverb "Give a man a fish, he will eat for one day, teach him how to fish and he can feed himself all his life." But you are lumping together humanitarianism, altruism, etc., with being weak, stupid, socially backward, and perpetuating social ills, and that is not the case, or should I say, when government programs are working correctly with stringent oversight, this does not happen. I have voted Democrat because I believe in the party more than the alternative, but I am open to change, listen and watch and try to learn from each party, and am more Independent then anything. Being part of the Democratic party does not mean being a "bleeding heart liberal," and mmore than being a Republican means being totally cold, selfish, money-driven, fat cat, etc. This is all way too simplistic, and why the parties cannot communicate effectively or get anything done TOGETEHR. I am a Christian, I am very conservative on most social issues, but I am a human, humans are complex, and I am also socially conscious and aware, love the nation, love its people. Please, don't generalize quite so much, it is not good for the country to increase divisions.
I agree that a phased withdrawal would be a good thing...
after we have given the surge every opportunity to work and have given the Iraqis every opportunity to step up and take over security of their own country. We cannot afford to leave too quickly and allow AL Qaeda to take it over and use it as a base from which to attack us and I have no doubt they would do just that. As to Iran...I cannot see us invading Iran like we invaded Iraq, for a multitude of reasons. I believe the term surgical strikes would take on a whole new meaning if that became necessary. Honestly, I think if Ahmadinejad persists in this nuclear thing we will not have to do anything, because I believe Israel will handle it. I don't think Israel will stand by and let him get nukes. It would be suicide to do so...because if he attacked, that would be his first target, I would be willing to bet the farm. What I am really afraid of is he will put weapons grade nuc material in the hands of Al Qaeda for a dirty bomb to attack us with. That is why I don't want to abandon Iraq to become a base for such things. However, if the Iraqi govt does not step up...I would agree that we cannot stay there for life everlasting at the strength we are now. As you say, that does impair our safety at home. I think we need to concentrate on controlling our borders better.
On that note, I did see a somewhat encouraging report on illegals. Seems that more and more of them are moving on up to Canada because...get this...it is easier to get on programs if you are illegal and Canada pays more...LOL. Well more power to them I guess. Let Canada deal with them. I bet if we started a sweep to round up illegal aliens they would run north in droves. Which is okay too. Not great for Canada but better for us.
Be well, DW!
For Pete's sake, I agree. Let me say, CARE PACKAGES ARE A GREAT THING TO DO!
Let's all send care packages. I will check out the web site you provided and if it's legit my heart and pocketbook will lead me. Trust me, to your surprise I'm not a stingy old witch sitting here not willing to give a dime to the troops but yet preach about how much I love them. Don't believe that, well then it only rains under your cloud.
Where the disconnect is, is that you think that people are not allowed to be against this war, against this administration, and still be for the troops. When you come here and tell us what the troops are asking for in the form of care packages, it ticks me off even more with this administration for putting them in this situation, but you have reminded me that they are with needs and wishes and for their sacrifice we all should give to them.
In discussing this, our conversation can not be limited to care packages. Let me applaud you in all sincerity for being proactive and on top of sending the packages you have put together. I know you will make someone in Iraq's day brighter, a big hats off to you! I just happen to think they shouldn't be in this predicament anyway and on that we may never see eye to eye and that's fine.
But valuing over the price of a dollar is a right thing wing thing, so you are on the wrong board. n
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Ridiculous. sm
Hey, aren't you guys worried about Rove anymore? 
Ridiculous...I think not
This is not the military they are talking about. This is everyday people who have skills that can be used to help in the nation-building, desk jobs, PR jobs, all that sort of thing. An over-50 overweight person most certainly could do these things, clerical, educational. In my neighborhood a 52-year-old national guard guy got called up for MILITARY duty so why would they not expect 50-somethings to lend whatever their professional abilities might be to lend a hand in desk job sort of work.
Am I going???? Are you nuts???
Of course not. I have fought against our occupation of Iraq from 2002 to this present day. I did not vote for Bush. I am just saying those of you that did, and those of you who just pretend everything is okay, this is your chance to show your true colors. I mean, after all, you are with the president or you're not (so he says).
We are not rebuilding anything in Iraq. They are on the verge of civil war. They can't put a constitution together and who in their right minds would expect them to be able to. You don't go from years of a monarchy to democracy overnight...and they are ending up with an Islamic government, sort of like...The Taliban!
Two simple questions.
What did my ______ die?
Are the Bush supporters, those who voted for him, are you going to join the civilian corps to support the cause you believe in?
That is ridiculous
Wow, that is a very scientific method, chosing who to vote or not to vote for because of their middle name. Wow. I may chose my next vote based on who is wearing my favorite color.
This is all so ridiculous, seriously.
Do you really think that the only reason Obama has said he feels family is off limits is to help his campaign? Do any of you really honestly think that? If so, then I do have pity for you to live in such a jaded world. He has children too and I can pretty much bet that he wouldn't want them attacked like that either.
It doesn't matter to me at all that SP daughter is pregnant and a teenager, everone makes mistakes. Period. It is not SP's fault this happened. No matter what you do or what you say when a child reaches a certain age they are going to make their own decisions and you cannot be there 24 hours a day.
I just have one question. Would any of you, as parents, put your child through this? Think hard and do some searching here. Don't just think about your political sides, because it doesn't matter if you are Ind., Rep, or Dem. If your daughter was 17 and pregnant, would you expose her to the public scrutiny? This is where my real problem with the whole thing is. It is not right that her daughter is going through this in the media, it should be private but we all know how the media, in all its forms, is today. SP didn't have to announce the pregnancy but it would have come out within the next few weeks or so regardless, she did the right thing by doing it in her words though and I am proud of that. But again, would you put your child through this. It is not bad enough that her daughter would have to worry about what people are going to say at school and in her home area, but now she has the world looking at her, talking about this - good or bad. Would you really put your child through that?
My question has nothing to do with birth control, abortion, etc. It is just a question, for me, of SP's judgment here. Would you put your child through all of this and for what? Your career or political aspiration?
My answer is no, I would not. Nothing is more important to me than my children, I'm sorry not even the VP job of this country. I don't care if your child says, "Mom, do it, I'll be okay." I would not and could put her through that.
Again, I am not saying SP is a bad mother and am not bashing her, I'm just saying IMO she used very poor judgment when she agreed to be the VP candidate. I would be saying this regardless of what party affiliation she has.
okay, this is ridiculous already
doesn't anybody have a shred of common decency left? Where the heck are you all coming up with this utter crap?
Isn't it ridiculous?
It is so ridiculous ... all the BS that flies around the web? And even more ridiculous that so many people believe it all. What the #^@%?!!
The whole flag pin thing is so juvenile and superficial too. Honestly, I don't see how politicians cannot view our citizens as a bunch of nitwits!
It's ridiculous and
childish and gets in the way of what the process is SUPPOSED to be!
There would be nothing wrong with a neutral panel analyzing their plans to the degree that they can to see if they work out numerically (as they always say the other's won't)
And to provide understanding into the issues voted on (since they are never about one thing but have a other crap slapped in with a main issue). Mainstream America would have a more realistic picture of who they are voting for.
Or perhaps they should just switch from mud slinging to Jello wrestling!
This guy is just ridiculous
So far he has lied about everything, talks about running for congress, and then stands up the one guy at a rally that gave him all the publicity (McCain). 
What you are saying is just ridiculous...nm
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Ridiculous!
Below is copied directly from the link. It doesn't talk about punishment of any kind for those who don't wish to participate. It DOES talk about rewards, though, for those who do wish to participate. It offers a choice. You don't have to participate in it if you're rich and can afford to send your kids to college, but why do you want to deny those who can't the opportunity to do so?
You're filling this board with fiction and calling it truth. THIS is the TRUE message of the link:
"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free."
That is ridiculous.
If anything, his administration will return the rights that have been lost these last 8 years.
Ridiculous.
Every single word you utter. Do you actually know any lefties? You cannot begin to imagine how excited and energized the base is despite the pubs bets efforts to throw out their wet blankets. The progressives have always served the party as vigilent critical watchdogs. It is a necessary evil in ANY political party...the ability to be introspective, even self-deprecating at times...a lesson the pubs obviously have not yet learned the value of.
Oh, come on! This is ridiculous. You have gone off
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Ridiculous!
If Burris had not been appointed to fill Obama's senate seat, another Democrat would have been appointed, and the vote would have been exactly the same. So much for your silly conspiracy theory.
That is ridiculous.
My entire life has been devoted to midwifery and GYN/NICU/OB nursing, and you think that because I don't want to participate in abortions I should find another line of work? I've taken care of plenty of RESULTS of abortions gone wrong, in the form of babies who decided to take a breath after they were expelled or manually removed from their mothers' wombs. Does that count?
No it is not ridiculous!
You knew exactly what your job entailed when you signed up for it. If you are not willing to perform the requirements of your job, you should find another line of work.
Ridiculous
If you don't want your families torn apart, then make sure you are LEGAL!!!
I'm sorry but this is just getting ridiculous. I have no problem with immigrants, as long as they are here legally, following our laws, and helping to pay taxes.
The snowball just keeps rolling...
Tell Me About it! It's ridiculous...and to think,
just last month, Rendel was crying the blues about not having enough $$ to keep the state running, so took all this bailout money. He is doing a double duty bailout by following what O is doing and Rendel duplicates O's programs. He should be run out on a rail and thank heavens, this is his last term.
Tea Party in Harrisburg on April 15.
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