I agree the Lurker's above post is right on...

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Something wicked this way comes, and we are in the middle of it. Oh yeah, I have been likened to Chicken Little, the sky is falling, blah, blah, blah, but I am cognizant of the falsities this administration would like us to believe, and although I am of average intelligence, not presidential material, am educated enough to know that they, WHOMEVER THEY ARE, were going into a HORNET's NEST in IRAQ, also going to make more TERRORISTS. Also, with my average intelligence, I knew enough to know that Hussain was keeping his people under control, and that NO terrorists would be stupid enough to make trouble or reside in Iraq. He was master. So he killed 30,000 people, maybe a little more. How many have the BUSHWACKERS KILLED!? Yes, of course, I'm upset with him and his cronies. He has made AMERICANS LOOK STUPID, DISHONEST and MURDEROUS and no more humanitarian, maybe even less so, than Saddam. At least Saddam had his reasons to kill his people. What are HIS reasons for the killing? Have not heard any that make any sense! That is my take on the whole thing. Plus the useless FEMA of the Katrina disaster, and on and on and on. No time to spell it all out.

The following is Lurker's post from the conservative board in response to a comment about a extremist liberal blogger. Funny how the writer of the article on Maryscott O'Connor say she's angry, but I'm sure he thinks Ann Coulter is just spitting the truth.

But I agree with you Lurker. Much better things to expend energy on than extremist on either side.

Great post! I thought the people who just frequent the liberal board would like this.

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LURKER: In this time of real crises, many many many real crises, why would some woman's blog be of importance to anyone other than those who frequent it? This type of venting and ranting has been going on for quite some time on talk radio and now in blogs, on both sides. I just don't listen to any of it, right or left. One of my biggest pet peeves is screaming and degrading rhetoric, from anyone, about anything. Who cares what this woman does, or Cindy Sheehan or the ever popular #1 offender Michael Moore. These are individuals expressing their freedom of speech just as Rush, Grover and Coulter do. Just turn it off.

Of concern to me is outsourcing, the bond we are building with China (how can our administration tout Christianity and do business with those who murder their own people over religion, who force abortions, who plan parenthood better than anyone I have ever heard of, limiting births to 1 child, promoting abortion if that 1 child is a girl and on and on.

Of concern to me is Wal-Mart for many reasons, but on the China note, Wal-Mart gets 70% of its products from China. The other 30% come from 70 different countries, some of whom have oppressive dictatorships and harbor terrorists like the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia. Wal-Mart lobbied to NOT have goods go through additional safety measures at ports of entry because it would cut into their profit margin.

I am concerned that fewer and fewer people have health insurance or jobs or homes and will never have a home or afford insurance even if they manage to find a job.

I am concerned that this administration touts its Christianity while treating the least of its people so shabbily.

I am concerned that generals are speaking out about the inefficacy of this war and the stubborn refusal of Bush or Rumsfeld to do anything about it.

I am concerned that so many of our elected officials are involved in lies, coverups and that CEOs of corporations can steal the pensions of hundreds of people and don't have to pay it back...5 or 6 people go to country club prison for a couple of years, brush up on their tennis game and 100s of 50+ people have lost everything and they don't have time to make it up, (nor should they have to).

I am concerned that people all over our planet are dying from starvation and dehydration and disease.

I am concerned about what we have done to our own planet over the last 150 years in terms of depleting our resources.

I am concerned about this administration using Christianity as a reason to behave so un-Christianly. I believe that were Christ to sit in on a couple of cabinet meetings He would be appalled. There is the Bible cherry-picking...they can quote whatever serves them but dismiss what does not. What happened to every 50 years the wealth is redistributed amongst the people, every 7 years debts are forgiven. Who deleted or amended the 10 commandments. Thou shalt not kill...except when blah blah blah. Though shalt not steal....except blah, blah blah. If there was any thread continuing throughout the gospel of Christ it is the treatment of the poor. In the end we will be judged not on our military brilliance, our power or money but on how we, as a nation, treated the least among us.

There is much to worry about and pray about and much still that can be done. I just do not see blogs as up there in the top 2,000.

possible to have an intelligent debate by both sides, but maybe just not on these particular boards unless you can just learn to sift through the posts that are less than informative.

Some of us came from another board, and there are a couple of posters from the other board who simply cannot tolerate views that are different from their own. If they can't debate without resorting to personal attacks and have even "adjusted" the facts on occasion to fit their particular need to prove a point about how bad liberals are.

They attack in groups reminiscent of hornets, and then they routinely whine and complain to the administrator, stomping their feet like 2-year-olds, and their targets are either banned or messages like the one today from the administrator appear.

If we all stay on our own boards, of course, there's not much opportunity for debate because we all come from the general same place. I saw an excellent post on the Conservative board by someone who intelligently set forth her views, without any personal swipes and/or attacks, without passing any judgment on anyone. I didn't agree with some the poster's views, but I did compliment her on the excellent way in which she portrayed them. I haven't seen any posts from her since, and even though I don't agree with her, I would love to see some more of her posts because I learned something from it. That particular poster definitely gained my respect. I hope the few who don't command much respect didn't chase her away. I noticed that none of them even bothered to acknowledge her post, and she seemed to be just as conservative as they were. People with thoughtful, intelligent posts like hers, unfortunately, are few and far between and are overrun by the negative juvenile ones, as I'm sure you can see just from visiting both boards. I hope she reads this post and decides to visit this board.

This is our country, and a lot of us think it's in a huge mess. Whether we're Conservatives or Liberals or somewhere in between, it's up to us to each think independently and speak for ourselves, even in a forum such as this, and to question what we perceive as right/wrong, explain it in an intelligent, coherent, truthful manner, and debate it in a healthy, nonjudgmental way. If we can't even do that on the most basic of forums like this, we might be in deeper trouble than any of us could have thought.

What would be the harm in teaching creationalism in school? Just as most apparently see no harm in teaching evolution. Teach them both, let the kids decide what they believe.

My personal belief is creationalism, but this is not the issue of my post, I just don't see what the harm is in teaching both sides and letting the kids decide for themselves, after having all the facts...

Other than this, I agree 100% with your post, including the part about the pregnant daughter. I feel more comfortable knowing that Palin is facing the same issues *real* people face every day. She and Senator McCain most definitely have my vote!

It's not all his fault that this country is the way it is. Although I wished he could have done a better job, he did the best he could with all the people that were against him.

I listened to a speech he made from the heart a few months ago and he came through very truthful and caring. It was not one of the stupid speeches for him that makes him look dumb.

I wish this stupid partisan politics would be banned but, of course, it won't. As long as the house and senate continue to fight among themselves and against the president (and I don't care who the president is), we are still going to be in a mess.

As long as the media keeps taking sides, we will only ever see the bad of the party they don't like.

As long as people don't research to try to find their own solution on whom to vote for, they will pick a president that is their own party.

A phone call to Doug Dougan yesterday by a lady stated that all her Jewish friends were voting for Obama because they didn't care for McCain. That is the stupidest reason to vote for a candidate. They don't care about the issues, just that they don't like McCain. If other people feel like this, then heaven help us. We'll have to do quite a bit of praying Nov. 4.

McCain is coming to our area on Monday. I called to get tickets yesterday and they were gone already! That's how much people around here care to listen to the issues. Did the O or Biden come here? Nope. Doubt that they will. The last presidential candidate that came to this area was JFK in his first run for president.

Parents don't know how to parent today. My grandson, who just turned 1 is already taking hissy fits if he doesn't get his way; i.e., wants to be held by only mom and dad, wants to get into things that he shouldn't, etc. What do they do? Coax and cajole. No time outs for the fits and of course, grandparents don't know what they're talking about when suggesting things to do.My DIL is mad at me cause I opened my mouth and said "no" to the baby.

I fear more for my grandson's generation than I do my son's, and I also have 2 GC's old enough to vote. Don't know for who but I can guess..

In reply to the Clinton�s had nothing to do with the last 8 years. This is absolutely correct, but the Clinton administration was just as bad before that. The Clinton years were the worst of my adult life (and my friends and family who are staunch democrats). So we�ve actually had 16 years of garbage for Presidents (20 if you consider Bush Sr.). Government grew and paychecks shrunk. Promises broken, tax increases (with the Clinton administration). The Clintons did nothing for the middle income people. Their �1% wealthiest� friends continued to receive more benefits. Our families friends were losing their houses and had to go back to living with their parents as they could no longer afford to live anymore. I think a lot of people forget the following:

Receiving money funded from china (treasonous tradeoffs I think it was called) for his re-election

Bill & Hillary stating they never heard of people (criminals who gave them money) when indeed they have pictures.

Hillary�s financial and other records sealed so nobody would find out the stuff she did (why?)

Hillary pulls Bill off of D. Morris as Bill is getting ready to punch him in the face yelling at him �Bill, think about what your doing�. Then walked around telling D. not to say anything to anyone.

They destroyed and stole white house furniture and artifacts on their way out. Urinated on carpets, walls, etc. It was a real mess to clean up.

And those are only a few of the highlights of the Clinton administration. She wants to take credit for anything good that happened, then she better take credit for the bad too. Especially when she was running the show while Billy was off with his girlfriends.

They are both a couple of criminals and should have gone to jail for half the stuff they did. So while the last eight years have been bad, the previous eight were just as bad. - And all my MIL can say to me is.... "oh but he's so good looking".

I believe most people WANT socialism because they think it will save them and protect them from all the bad things in the world. Just think, free healthcare, free gas, free homes.

I could go on and on, but I have to leave. Pooch wants to go play in the garage. If she doesn't get her way, she starts moaning and groaning.

Many of us on this board don't mind helping those who are trying to help themselves and just need a little help. However, I do have a problem supporting and paying for people who refuse to work, educate themselves, etc. If they aren't willing to try, why should we have to pay for them. That is the problem. If we were really all in it together, that would be different but you have people on one side who don't want to work and just want a free ride and you have the other side that is trying to work to support themselves but are told we should support the people who don't want to work either. That is just crap.

So don't say I lack compassion. I have compassion for people who are trying and need help. However, I have no compassion for lazy weasels who would rather get a check in the mail for doing nothing than actually work a day in their life and earn their own way.

Anyone who knows me personally knows that when Bush was running for President in 2000, I told everyone I know that if he's elected, we'll find ourselves at war with Iraq. Nobody believed me.

It's ironic that the reason DIDN'T vote for him in 2004 was the very same reason I didn't vote for him in 2000: I was against war with Iraq.

What is particularly troubling about all this is that Bush appeared to use the tragedy of 9/11 to justify his war against Iraq.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that this war will eventually be deemed as an illegal war.

We don't know what al Quaeda will do next. Wouldn't surprise me to discover that they were part of the "hacking" team that got ahold of everyone's credit card numbers the other day.

If Bush cares so much about America, he could begin to show it by monitoring our borders. He's been incredibly negligent in that regard.

He promised he would not impose a draft. Yet, recruitment goals haven't been met for several months now. If I had a child of that age, I certainly would try to talk him/her out of joining the military. The government has proven they lie to soldiers, hold reservists hostage, fail to provide adequate equipment to protect soldiers, etc., etc., etc! He will have to bring back the draft, and we can add that to the gazillion lies he's told.

I think your post was great, and I particularly enjoyed the one regarding Hitler that you wrote above. You nailed it!!!

parents have to consent to ANY OTHER procedure for the child, why would this be any different?

Abortion is a horrible, horrible thing that is used by Planned Parentood to make money and used as birth control.

There are too many people in this country who have the attitude "It's my way or the highway".

The below quotes were sent to me by a friend. I didn't take time to look them up, so they are fair game for anyone who wants to take a shot at them. Sorry for the type style on them. I couldn't seem to make them smaller.

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.

Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson

Very Interesting Quote

In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

I can't stop laughing and emailed this to everyone I know, as well as added it to my favorites.

Now THERE'S a post full of kindness, understanding, tolerance, and love. I wish there were more people like you in this country right now. I was starting to feel very angry and in the midst of letting them drag me down to their level, but your post just lifted me up from all that (even sans the beads). You must be very proud of your heritage. I would love to learn more about it.

This was a great read and sums up very well the impression Ann Coulter has given me of herself and her so-called values.

Yes, I've posted on the conservative board a couple times recently. Didn't take me long to realize it wasn't the place for me, and I don't plan on posting there any more.

However, I continue to read the posts there, note your ongoing confusion and truly hope you get back to school soon so they can teach you that the 9 in 9/11 indicates the month of September, not August. I do applaud you for getting the 11 in 9/11 correct, though.