I agree. Now in all honesty, although I did vote
Posted By: for O, the one thing I don't agree with is - sm on 2009-03-20
In Reply to: I just don't get it - ok
all these darned bailouts. I doubt they'll succeed in the end, and we'll be right back where we started, only a few hundred-billion bucks poorer. I think the so-called 'economy' (i.e., making money in a dishonest and/or risky manner), which was basically based on what for all intents and purposes amounts to GAMBLING, should have been allowed to die a natural death. More painful initially, but for a shorter time. All this bailout sh1t is gonna do is just drag this all out well past O's term(s) of office, and into the next, and the next, and maybe even the next. The current way of running the country's finances (and the way many of us are running our own) just didn't work. There's got to be a better, fairer, and more honest way for the wheels of business to turn and for a country to prosper.
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I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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Agree, I did not vote for O either, but if he keeps
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I agree! I can't decide who to vote for because there is so much bad on both of them (sm)
I am going to decide who I dislike more and vote for his opponent. Very sad. Terrible choices.
I agree with PegPeg. We need to vote with our
conscience, vote for which candidate is closest to your values. Neither one fits the bill to a T for anyone, there has to be a little give and take. I am willing to give either one a chance to try to change this mess we are in right now. The great thing is, in 4 years if we don't like what we have we can change again. Whoever wins is getting into a big mess, which has taken years and years to create from both sides. No one side is totally to blame and the finger pointing, name calling, etc, has taken our eyes off of the real issues at hand. I just hope those who decide to vote do it from a well thought out decision rather than an emotional decision.
I did not vote for Obama, nor do I agree...sm
with most of the issues he stands for, but this is just plain CRAZY!
Couldn't agree more...vote NO to socialism. nm
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I agree. Nobody vote for Bush this year.
Problem solved.
In all honesty....
The two of you sound like you need a time out. I know that you both want to think that you are adults, but it appears that you are not. Please take a time out which equals one mintue per year of your age and then come back here to post nice things about one another.
Thanks for your honesty. nm
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In all honesty
they continue to dish out this crap.... they really oughta make sure they have plenty of protection. Someone's gonna end up having enough of it and lose it. As angry as I am about all this and others are too... you mix angry with some of the crazies out there.... I can see something happening.
ALL of this, the economy, this stupid bailout bill, the election..... WHAT A MESS!!!!!
In all honesty, Democrat. SM
How can you castigate someone for being on the liberal board when you are on the conservative board. Just pointing out a little pot-kettle scenario. Like Brunson, I won't be posting on here anymore. And like Brunson, hopefully you will return the favor. Have a nice evening.
Answered in all honesty...
the entire thread was about the Plame case and whether or not she was covert. I posted the court document where the media outlets (CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, etc) filed to try to stop the judge from compelling the reporters to give their sources (their aim was to protect whistle-blowers, which is definitely not a bad thing). In that brief it was stated: "We do not believe a crime was committed as she was not covert at the time of the incident." CBS acknowledged that they believed that Plame was not covert...supported by the fact that she was openly working at a desk job in the CIA offices and had been for some time. I thought it was hypocritical of CBS to now bring Plame on and in effect say they believe that she was covert. Then some, not all, of the usual posters piled on questioning the integrity of the court and how decisions can be influenced...when it really had nothing to do with the court, but with the filed brief. CBS et AL actually lost the case. If they had won it, there would have been no Libby prosecution. That is what makes what the liberals posted that much harder to understand. It just seemed like just because a conservative posted it, it could not possibly have any merit, and then when they had to admit it did have merit, suddenly the court had no integrity.
Honest answer.
how about the honesty issue?
Just like SP and the Bush Doctrine. Why can't either of them say, I don't know what you mean, or I am confused about what we talking about here, can you clarify? I bet the FOLKS would be a lot kinder to them if they would. I do not want someone bluffing because they are afraid to show vulnerability. Its a dangerous trait to have in world leaders.
We have this thing about honesty....
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Honesty???? lol, good one. nm
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Thank you for your honesty, Amanda. sm
I appreciate it.
By the way, my niece's name is Amanda....and I think of her when I see your post! To me, she will always be about 10 years old, but she just turned 20! They grow up fast.
Thank you for your honesty and join you in your prayer. nm
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In all honesty, you are the aggressor in this situation (sm)
You came on to a political board and insulted the way everyone on here has behaved. Would you teach your daughter to do that? I'm sorry. I am a very nice person too...I just think you were kind of asking for trouble by doing that.
Thanks for your honesty. The left cant stand
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Did you just use the name Rush and the word honesty in the same sentence? (sm)
Limbaugh lied about 9-11 Commission report
Limbaugh falsely claimed "Nobody ever said there was" a connection between Iraq, 9-11 attacks
Limbaugh misrepresented Duelfer report on Iraqi WMDs
Limbaugh lied about AIDS
Limbaugh overstated the minimum wage
Limbaugh made false claims about the Democratic National Convention
Limbaugh distorted the Kyoto Protocol
Limbaugh falsely accused Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Limbaugh claimed Clintons are funding Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
Limbaugh lied to defend Swift Boat Vets
Limbaugh misstated Pew report on journalists
Limbaugh mischaracterized the federal deficit
Limbaugh misstated federal education spending
Limbaugh lied about Bush's false uranium claim
And that isn't even the tip of the iceburg for him. And by the way, what's with the *he owns his problems* junk? Does that mean that since he admits he's a drug addict then he's not a bad drug addict? Give me a break.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502180006
A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person. Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.
The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.
One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.
The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.
No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.
Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
I agree, that goes for both sides. I don't agree with those starting trouble over...sm
on your board either, but then some of you come and take it out on the people who only post here and we have nothing to do with the fights over there.
I enjoy communicating with liberals and occasionally do learn something from conservative posters, so I refuse to let the driveby, no moniker, one-sided finger pointers, self-indulging posters drive me off.
She's got my vote
Nominate Cindy Sheehan for Time Magazine Person of the Year - Pass it on!
I'd vote for him
as long as he is a real man and not some man who cowers to every poll or what his wife tells him to do. We need more real men in this country who say what they do and do what they say. I think men are tired of being disrespected and not being, well, men. I think you are right. We as a people need to elect and everyday fly-over-country Joe to the presidency. The type of Joe that still realizes what made this country great. God, glory, and guts. My pastor was just commenting on that this morning.
vote war?
If you like war, empire building, big government then you are safe in voting for any of the candidates running for the presidential office, except for one: Ron Paul.
The agendas are all headed in the same direction, so you really do not have to worry about which one to vote for for.
Ron Paul is the only candidate with a different agenda. And of course, should he win, he cannot make changes overnight. But he could lead us in the direction of limited government, sound money, peace and constitutional law. Paul's ideas and principles are not new, but are similar to those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others.
I will vote Ron Paul.
I will vote for either one.
I consider it my job to get a dem elected this time, that's why I don't take part in the arguments about them.
don't vote
Please don't vote. If you can't see all the atrocious things that our current tyrant (err I mean president) has done and how he has damaged America in the world, please don't vote. I would really hate to see someone who has never bothered to open their eyes to the way the world is and taken the time to educate themselves in politics or world issues voting for someone in this election. I think all those people should just stay home because they have no idea what they are voting for or what that person might stand for.
And btw, if anyone was the antichrist it would be Bush and McCain. D-E-V-I-L.
Don't vote?
Who are you to decide who should vote and who should not? Just because people don't have the same political beliefs you do doesn't mean they should sit home on election day! Sounds like if you had your way, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen!
Why vote at all
People have been "dumbed down" into believing they have to vote. Why doesn't anyone realize...our vote doesn't count. There's no way I'll vote for McCain and I'm not sure about Obama. My no vote for me is a statement. Sure you can write in anyone you want, you can say none of the above but why even bother. It's not going to make a difference. Those ballots will just be thrown in the trash without a second thought. Whoever is our next president has already been picked. We're just watching the side show until the election day. Then it will be reported to make it look to the people that we have a say in who is elected president. The simple truth is we don't. I was talking to my dad and he said this year he's not going to vote. He told a co-worker why do you feel you have to vote, it does no good. But unfortunately a lot of people think the same way - that their vote counts. I'm not voting and then if something gets messed up none of my family or friends can "blame" me that I voted for him. So my choice this year is to not vote.
Vote
I am African American born in 1958. The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. I remember my father telling me to always vote. I will never give up my right to vote even if others think our vote does not count. There was a time when my parents could not vote at all. I will think long and hard on who to vote for and will vote for the lesser of two evils.
I vote Dem because I believe
in the principles they stand for. I am not against voting for a repub . . . just have never seen one whose priorities are the same as mine. If they did have same priorities, they would be a democrat. Flame away.
Why would the DNC want you to vote?
To support THEIR agenda of course! lol
how to vote
Truthfully, I don't know which one of the candidates is better, or which one is worse. Corruption is everywhere. Maybe there is no real good answer, and it's all an exercise in futility. I'm still going to vote, just because it's something that I do. However, at this point, I might as well just flip a coin. Actually, lately, I've just been looking at the candidates from a health and vitality standpoint. Which ones are the healthiest? Which ones seem to be in a position to withstand stress better than the other? Experience seems important, but if everything else is pretty equal, health is all that's left to compare, IMHO.
one vote
good thing you only get one vote.
Isn't there someone else we can vote for? sm
Are these two guys, McCain and Obama, the only choices we have? Realistically? Nader is never gonna win, so he isn't. What would happen if we all did a write-in?
It has come down to voting for Communism or More of the Same. As I don't want to be a Communist, I guess I'll vote for More of the Same.
Also, all this arguing about government-run healthcare...Anybody been to the VA recently???? Gee that is working so very well for us.
There's my 2 cents. Have at it!
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Vote
Hi! You are absoultely correct. EVERY vote from EVERY state should matter.
I live in one of the battleground states (PA), so my vote will matter I this election. However we were told from January 2008 until the primary that our choice would not matter because it was so late the candidates will have already been chosen......McCain already had been but CLinton vs Obama was still very close.
I do not wish to share my political views, only state that EACH vote from EACH state should carry the same signtificance.
No wonder so many in our country are so apathetic. It must feel awful to have your vote mean nothing.We are disenfranchising most of the population. This is not government of the people, or for the people regardless of your political peferences.
I know what you mean. A vote for O is like a vote to
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Before you vote, you should see this
If you are looking for something you don't like, keep it to your self and vote the
way you want. Nobody cares what you think.
No need to, we will just vote!
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Yes, old enough to vote...
In fact, I voted for OBAMA on Oct. 16 and proud of it. Are you PROUD of who you are voting for? I think not. Not deep down. Admit it.
I VOTE for M not O, my bad
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vote
O
Did he really vote that way? NO
Its nice to listen to the candidates' stump speeches and repeat them here --- but please, again, check your facts.
You will find that he did not vote to raise taxes, and the raise the taxes on incomes of $42,000 bill had other benefits written into it that would help the middle class. When bills are written, they usually have a number of things written in them. You have to weigh the priority of a bill. It's not as simple as vote against raising taxes because there my be something in that same bill that would be more beneficial than a 1-2% raise on taxes, so you vote for it.
Guess what -- McCain voted for this same bill to raise taxes on those making over $42,000, but he won't tell you that.
Again -- be informed and know what you don't know before you start telling others you do know what you don't know.
If you are a staunch republican or staunch democrat -- that's cool too -- vote, your choice, but please educate yourself before you start trying to educate others.
Vote as you please, but please vote. sm
I'm going just as soon as I finish my coffee. Then I will be watching the returns later this evening. :o)
For those who cannot vote....
I received an email from a friend who lives in St. Thomas, USVI. Although the Virgin Islands are US territory and my friend is a US citizen, born and raised in Wisconsin and moved to St. Thomas in her 40s, and they are governed from the US government, she and her husband are not entitled to vote, not even by absentee ballot. I don't know why, but that is what she told me. She sent an email imploring all of us who live here to get out and vote because she is deprived of this great privilege and wanted to say we should all remember we are that we do have the election process. Isn't that the truth? What a great privilege it is. Let's hope we all remember just how lucky we are and take advantage of our right to vote.
I vote that from now on
candidates can only campaign in song! :-D
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