I'm sick to death of hearing the unfairness

• This is for a serious discussion... Do you think Obama will help the black community to "change&# - Emily Ayn
  • A little recognized fact...(sm) - Just the big bad
    • helping the lower class and middle class will NOT - help them..........sm
      • Let's see if I got that right...(sm) - Just the big bad
        • You are truly clueless.......... - sm
    • No, you just give them, they take and ask for more. - Teach them to take care of themselves.nm
  • Are you familiar with the concept of - racial disparity in incarceration rates? (sm)
    • I'm sick to death of hearing the unfairness - of incarceration..........sm
    • The playing field has never been more level! - Lu
    • The statistics lie then? Dont think so. They are - consistent across the nation. stats arent racist.n
      • Hello. It's an incrceration statistic, not a crime statistic. - sm
        • OMG. Fine...go look at the crime statistics. - Read something.nm
  • Though I didn't vote for him... - role model
    • Agree, I did not vote for O either, but if he keeps - talking of "personal responsibility"-a good
  • Emily Ayn...you seem obsessed with race. - sm
    • I agree - show some leave Emily Ayn - NM
    • why are u so touchy over a simple question? - nm
    • What? She has a valid question and stating facts. - O actually brought up the race card earlier.nm
      • I am referring to several of her posts, not just this one. - nm
        • She called me racist and I am white, - Right on the money

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Is anyone else just really tired of this election and all the crap that goes along with it?  I'm so sick and tired of political parties.  I'm tired of the families of the candidates being targets.  I'm tired of the mud flinging.  I think I'm going to take a break from all the political hoopla. 

how republicans are at fault for everything.  Yes, President Bush is republican but don't we have a democrat congress?  What have then done to help better things?

I'm neither republican or democrat.  I always try to pick the person I feel is best for the job.  However, I learned a long time ago that a politician will say almost anything to get elected.  Yes, Obama has many plans, but realistically how many of these plans will actually work, be put into works if he is elected, or just a bunch of smoke he is blowing up our rear ends to get elected. 

I was watching a show on TV the other night that showed politicians during an election year and one of the things consistently brought up by many was the need to decrease our dependency on oil.  This went all the way back to even before Carter was president.  After these politicians were elected, not one of them did anything about decreasing our dependency on oil.  Politicians will bring up any subject worth bringing up during an election year to get the backing of people, but once they win.....they don't have to do half of what they promised to do.

subsidize the wealthy?  How 'bout congress getting $4700 in COLA to "subsidize" their housing?  They don't need mansions to live in while doing their jobs in Wash, DC.  They don't need the top to be driven by chauffers.  They don't need to be treated to banquets and dinners because they do their jobs in Wash.  Congressmen constantly say they are serving the American people, or are they getting rich off the backs of the middle class?  IMO, it is the latter.  Or, how 'bout subsidizing oil companies who have made outrageous profits?  Those subsidies should come to an END, NOW!  These handouts go both ways! 

At one point in my life, newly divorced, I worked for minimum wage, raising two young children.  Although I was very frugal, it was extremely tough making rent, utilities (old junk car, no car payment), and food.  One night, I broke my elbow, could not work, had no money except child support.  After hospitalization, called Welfare Dept, could not receive food stamps because I "made too much money the month before."  End of story as far as Welfare Dept was concerned.  So, my mom and dad helped me out with groceries for my two kids.  So, as far as welfare handouts, I received none.  So, in my experience, I don't know where your b*tch is!!

for it like the Europeans do.   We are over taxed enough as it is, and to me over taxation is slavery.  I don't expect anyone to be forced to take care of my medical bills, so why do you think I should be forced to take care of yours?   I voluntarily tithe to my church...nobody beats me over the head every Sunday and makes me do it.  I do it out of a spirit of giving.   God doesn't make me do it, so why should the government?

One reason drug prices are so high in America is because of litigation.  People want drugs here, but if there's an ill side effect or someone falls over dead....let the suing begin!!!  We are a country of wusses and victims, and then we wonder why we pay so much at the counter, because all the costs of lawyers and endless studies just to try and keep litigation at bay

If we would get over our selfish wussification then life would be so much more bearable for all.  We would take care of our sick and elderly like God directed us to do in the Bible and our world would be a much better place, but I don't see selfishness ending anytime soon not as long as people think someone else should go to work for them when they are capable working and then pay their medical bills to boot.

of sharing the wealth will put us in the GREAT DEPRESSION just like back when Hoover was in office, exept this time, it will be worse because many more people make more than 100,000 a year than they did years ago.  So basically it will be spreading the wellfare around.

get money for a bailout? Wall Street and the banks did, but WS and the banks are HOLDING ONTO the money for BONUSES, not to bail themselves out. GM and Chryler need it to KEEP JOBS.

The bailout was wrong in the first place because everyone would want money, but that's the only thing they could come up with at the time. What's done is done but I don't think we ought to keep throwing money out there. NP and Barney Fife are too free with money that's not theirs and they should be thrown out of office. 

It was brought to a vote and that is that.  We come from a place where it was once taboo to be gay.  You had to hide your sexual orientation.  Now you can go out with your partner and live your life for all to see.  I don't agree with that kind of lifestyle, but they are free to choose what kind of lifestyle they wish to live and who am I to judge.  However, I feel that marriage should be defined as one man and one woman.  To redefine marriage, I think, is wrong.  If they want to be life partners and have a small ceremony joining them in some sort of civil union.....go ahead but marriage should be left alone as a man and a woman.  I am sick and tired of redefining everything to make it politically correct so every minority group is happy.  You can't make everyone happy.  I personally feel that redefining marriage to include marrying anyone whether it be same or opposite sex could be confusing to children in general and I don't agree with it.

I don't have a problem with them protesting their viewpoint, but when I see them rip a cross out of an old woman's hands and stomp on the cross as she was protesting her opinion.....that is just wrong.  First of all, you don't go after an old woman and secondly....she was sharing her opinion just like they were....so don't get mad at us for our opinion because we are entitled to it as well.

THE DIAGNOSIS

Maybe it’s the newly appointed speech writer. Maybe Peter Feaver has been locked away in some windowless sub basement of the White House, without access to the outer world. Maybe he can do little more than recycle earlier speeches about the war in Iraq. Maybe he and everyone else in this administration have become trapped in a bizarre and crippling time warp. Or maybe, just maybe, it’s that George Bush is hard of hearing.

That has to be the explanation. After listening to his delirious portrayal of progress today and of victory tomorrow in war-torn Iraq, there is only one conclusion: the President of the Untied States is nothing more than a deaf man, talking.

It’s not as if anyone in this administration has ever listened with a discerning ear.  Standard operating practice at the White House has been to listen only to those who furthered their agenda, and to absolutely no one else.

But this time, the man at the helm of a sinking nation has gone a bit too far. This time he has gone stone, cold, deaf.

George W. Bush and his handlers have a lengthy history of hearing problems.  For more than five years, they selectively closed their ears to those who knew things they chose to ignore. For more than five years, they dismissed the advice of the experienced, and the knowledgeable. They heard nothing that was critical or challenging. They heard nothing that questioned their ill fated policies or their inaccurate conclusions.  They heard nothing but their own applause.

George Bush developed a severe hearing malady early in his presidency. From day one, he turned a deaf ear to warnings that his policies were dangerous and destructive. Fortunately for the administration, the corporate media under-reported or simply ignored the advice of experts with as much disdain as the White House.

Just think about how the President absolutely and intractably refused to listen when:

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  Scientists warned about teaching Intelligent Design
  
  
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  Educators warned about serious flaws in No Child Left Behind
  
  
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  Environmentalists warned about pollution and global warming
  
  
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  Health experts warned about the dangers mercury levels
  
  
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  Economists warned about an inquitable tax policy
  
  
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  Researchers warned about cutting stem cell projects
  
  
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  Ecologists warned about deforestation
  
  
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  Engineers warned about New Orleans levees
  
  
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  Civil libertarians warned about the Patriot Act
  
  
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  AIDS organizations warned about ignoring condom education

And yet, George Bush chose to hear the words of the most extreme voices on the religious right and the most self indulgent arguments of corporate America. His selective hearing set the standard for every one of his regressive and injurious domestic policies.

No matter. George Bush was president and he knew better even without his hearing. He had the answers before the questions were ever raised. He was right. Everyone else was wrong. He had no reason to listen.

It was an outrage for the President and his henchmen to totally ignore the advice and expertise of anyone who disagreed with their self-serving agenda. It was, in effect, an irresponsible surrender to special interests and supporters who would help keep George Bush in power. But, perhaps, it was politics as usual.

Perhaps it was.  Domestic policies often deteriorate into partisan food fights, regardless of the toll on the people at large.

But in the wake of 9/11, George Bush’s hearing took a far more serious turn for the worse. His festering malady became a chronic affliction.  In time, his condition became more and more noticeable and more and more debilitating.

Looking back, we now can see that 9/11 was the prelude to a long planned war against Iraq, When it came to the attacks or to the march to his war, George Bush found himself unable to hear a great many voices.  Once again, the media were cooperative and complicit by selectively underreporting the warnings as well.

Consequently, among the voices that went unheeded by the President were:

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  Intelligence sources who warned about impending attacks on US soil, using hijacked airliners
  
  
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  CIA insiders who warned of the increased ‘chatter’ in the summer of 2001 that  signaled that something was brewing among Al Qaeda operatives
  
  
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  Families of 9/11 victims who demanded an independent investigation into the attacks
  
  
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  Intelligence reports discounting any connection between Saddam  Hussein and Al Qaeda
  
  
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  Weapons Inspectors in Iraq who insisted there were no WMD’s, but begged for more time to complete their mission
  
  
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  Experts who knew the Middle East and warned that a war against Iraq would foment civil war and instability in the entire region
  
  
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  The major nations of the world, with the exception of the UK and the bribed coalition of the billing, who warned about the consequences of an illegal preemptive or preventive war against a non belligerent nation.
  
  
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  Millions of people around the world who marched in protest to the impending invasion
  
  
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  A bipartisan group of US Military and Diplomatic experts who warned about the recklessness of a war against the people of Iraq
  
  
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  The Army War College experts who warned that GW Bus was “…on a course of open-ended and gratuitous conflict with states and non-state entities that pose no serious threat to the United States. 
  
  
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  Experienced military men such as Generals Shinzeki and Zinni, who openly criticized the poorly laid plans for invasion and the horrific management of the occupation.
  
  
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  Any an all voices in opposition to the Bush/PNAC dream of global domination.

Instead, George Bush listened intently to the words of his PNAC partners who had waited so patiently for the chance to invade Iraq. And yet, he listened to Ahmed Chalabi, a felon convicted of embezzling millions in absentia, who said that an invasion of Iraq would be a cake walk. Instead, he listened to people who had no clue as to the realities of war, or the cultural and tribal entanglements of the Iraqi people.

Instead, he went to war. And the war became a quagmire. And the quagmire became a nightmare. And the nightmare began to show in the polls.

And so, something had to be done.  That something was another series of speeches by the President to shore up support for his war. That is why George Bush came before the American people once again to introduce a redundant and meaningless National Strategy for Victory in Iraq.

When George Bush gave the first of his scheduled speeches, his otic infirmity could no longer be hidden.  Sadly, his second address to the nation simply reinforced the obvious: the President of the United States is completely and totally deaf.

No matter how he tried, there was no way to conceal it.  In his effort to regain public support for his invasion and occupation of Iraq, George Bush made it perfectly clear that he was incapable of hearing anything even remotely related to reality. In order to distort his failed war policy, he turned a deaf ear to the devastation and chaos that define his war of choice. He closed off any and all warnings that a military victory in Iraq is not possible.

But, in a really bad move, he also turned a deaf ear to the American people.

The American people are asking questions, and George Bush refuses to hear them.  Instead, he offers public relations sound bites to a nation that is beginning to demand the truth.

So far he has refused to give the nation any explanations about what is really happening in Iraq. So far, George Bush has refused to address:

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  the failure to plan for our role as occupiers in Iraq
  
  
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  the chaos and bloodshed that intensify every day
  
  
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  the lack of water and electricity for the people
  
  
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  the failure of any significant reconstruction
  
  
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  the daily kidnappings and rampant crime
  
  
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  the mass exodus of doctors and other professionals
  
  
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  the use of torture by both Americans and the new Iraqi regime.
  
  
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  the widespread corruption and missing billions
  
  
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  the terrible effects of depleted uranium
  
  
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  the illegal and devastating use of white phosphorus
  
  
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  the fundamentalist government that is now in charge
  
  
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  the lack of body and vehicle armor for our troops
  
  
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  the tens of thousands of Iraqis who died at his hand
  
  
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  the claim by his own man, Ayad Allawi, that things are worse in Iraq now than under Saddam.
  
  
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  the five billion dollars a month being spent on the war

And George Bush refused, above all, to present a cohesive and specific strategy for ending the terrible war he began.

People all across this nation wanted to know what went wrong and why. And they wanted to know how their President planned to fix it. But George Bush has closed his ears to the growing concerns of a majority of Americans. He simply refuses to hear them.

He has chosen, instead, to revert to type. He has chosen, instead, to remain deaf to facts that had been revealed about his war.  He has chosen, instead, to ignore the truth about the tragic and deadly catastrophe that was the war in Iraq.  He has chosen, once again, to lie.

George Bush speaks only before courteous audiences.  Assured of applause at appropriate intervals, he can comfortably hold both hands over his ears and refuse to acknowledge that he had led the nation into an endless morass.

He cannot tell the truth, we know that. So he did what he does best. He lied. But, the irony of it all is that more and more Americans are on to the lies by now. Just for starters, they know that:

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  There is no connection whatever between the invasion of Iraq and his trumped up war on terror. And yet, George Bush opted to use the word “terror” FIFTY TIMES his first strategy speech, and continued to the same harangue in the second.  
  
  
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  The insurgency in Iraq is composed of dozens, possibly as many as 100 cells working independently. And yet, George Bush identified only three sources of insurgent activity – and placed much of the blame on “the brutal terrorist, Zarqawi – al Qaeda’s leading operative in Iraq.”
  
  
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  American marines, not Iraqi security forces, led the incursion into Tal Afar. And yet, to make them appear battle-ready, George Bush gave full credit to the Iraqi security forces for leading the attack.
  
  
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  Former supporters of the war, such as Vietnam veteran John Murtha, are convinced that a military victory in Iraq is not possible. And yet, George Bush repeated his old, weathered war cry, “There will be no withdrawal without victory.”
  
  
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  General William Odom has called the war in Iraq a failure. And yet, George Bush touts the “amazing progress” of the occupation.
  
  
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  More than 2130 Americans and 200 coalition troops have died for his illegal and immoral war of choice, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead as well. And yet, George Bush still insists that he has “taken the fight to the terrorists,” and that his bloody war will “lay the foundation of peace for generations to come.”
  
  
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  Progress in Iraq cannot be measured by the number of buildings being rebuilt after being destroyed by US bombs. Instead, that is exactly what George Bush insists is so.
  
  
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  Progress in Iraq cannot be measured by the number of cell phones being used. And yet, that is how George Bush measures it.
  
  
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  Oil revenues are not going to the Iraqi people, but to foreign oil companies.  And yet, George Bush claims that increased oil production was a sign of progress.
  
  
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  There is no definable victory possible.  And yet, George Bush insists there is.

But George Bush has no clue about what the public knows. The man is as deaf as a door post. But his impairment is one of choice, not affliction. He believes he can use his hearing loss as a cover for his ineptitude and his obstinacy.  In his world apart from reality, George Bush continues to believe that he can fool all of the people all of the time.

But this time, the American people are not buying it.

THE REMEDY

We are approaching day 1,000 of this outrageous war, and the mood of the nation is changing.  The winds of opposition are gaining strength across the vast expanse that is America. George Bush and his PNAC handlers are pretending not to hear the calls for an end to this terrible war. But they hear it.  They really do.

The turning point, of course, was triggered by Congressman John Murtha, whose opinions can no longer be countered by the usual rhetoric from the White House.  Murtha spoke with the tacit encouragement of his close friends in the Pentagon who cannot speak out personally, but who fully understand the hopelessness of ‘staying the course,’ His message clearly signaled the beginning of the end.

But it won’t be easy.  There will be distractions in the form of token withdrawals, and the war will go on.  More people will die.  The mayhem will continue.   But the voices of protest will get louder and louder.

And George Bush will continue to make speeches.  He will recite the words of his new speech writer with gusto and sincerity.  He will continue to sell his war as if it were a product on the open market.  And he will remain deaf to those who oppose and those who criticize and those who demand that the war must end.

He can do this because the voices of protest are still muted.  They will only be heard if they become loud enough to penetrate the ears of the deaf man who is in charge.  George Bush is the Commander in Chief. He calls the shots.  He sits in the safety of the Oval Office and sends people to their death.

The tragedy is that right this minute, as he still dreams of a glorious victory in Iraq, he doesn’t hear a thing.

Maybe one day soon, before thousands more die, if their outcry is loud enough, George Bush will hear the voices of the people he once swore to serve; then again, maybe not.

I have been hearing on the news, what about the middle class?  Well, we will be taxed. 

It is just a beauty pageant.  LOL!  Sheesh.  Miss California was asked, I believe, a loaded question but that is to be expected from the likes of Perez Hilton.  I do not believe that her answer cost her the crown though.  However, the attacks on her for stating her opinion are just ridiculous.  Every one is entitled to their opinion and whether or not you agree with them........IT IS JUST A BEAUTY PAGEANT.  LOL...Sheesh.  I'm so tired of hearing about this. 

Miss California is beautiful and seems nice but she didn't lose because of her answer.  However, the personal attacks on her are just uncalled for as well.  I think both sides are taking this too far.

however, the moderator deleted them very quickly.  Conservatives are being attacked with no mercy on the C-board.    These people post nothing that has to do with the subject matter posted but go straight for the jugular.  You are incorrect when you say it isn't personal, because it is extremely personal at times.  One long term poster was stalked and threatened by e-mail back when posting an e-mail link was an option.  I think you are as free as anyone to post your feelings and beliefs on any board, but when those posts become personally hateful, threatening, or wishing someone death or extreme ill will then that poster be it conservative or liberal needs to go.  Recently, the most hateful posts have happened on the C-board.  The moderator has said over and over "no bashing", but they still continue to do it.  What do you expect the moderator/administrator to do?

Not that I wish you to leave, but If you don't feel comfortable posting here you certainly don't have to stay.  There might be a forum where you would feel more comfortable and better fits your posting style.  Again, this is a privately owned board, and the administrator is free to discern anyway he/she wants.  However, I think the administrator would agree EVERYONE needs to play by the rules. 

See link for full article below.

*According to the graph, Iraqi civilians and security forces were killed and wounded by insurgents at a rate of about 26 a day early in 2004, and at a rate of about 40 a day later that year. The rate increased in 2005 to about 51 a day, and by the end of August had jumped to about 63 a day.

Extrapolating the daily averages over the months from Jan. 1, 2004, to Sept. 16 of this year results in a total of 25,902 Iraqi civilians and security forces killed and wounded by insurgents.*