I'm not saying they should block it....(sm)
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2009-05-21
In Reply to: Then just explain to me - cj
in fact, I was hoping for a full investigation. I think what it comes down to is that someone is protecting the CIA for whatever reason. Right now we have pubs and dems who have said at one time or another that the CIA does lie. I don't think that's just a coincidence. Even Bush at one point said something to the effect of the CIAs inadequacy. (I don't think he called them liars though.)
It's been my experience that any time the govt says something is bad, then it's really really bad. I think that whatever the CIA is covering up is probably one of those really, really bad things that they (the CIA -- with backing from ????) can't allow the public to know.
Notice that when ANYONE says that the CIA is lying, nothing ever comes of any kind of investigation. Yeah, someone is up to their knees in it, and I don't think its Pelosi, Gingrich, Hoekstra, or others who have said the CIA lies to congress.
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