I'm not bashing and I never agreed to leave
Posted By: Reality check on 2005-09-18
In Reply to: Add 3 more to the nameless troll category. So much for a truce. nm - sm
but I am growing tired of this so that should give you some hope.
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Obama bashing versus Palin bashing... sm
Obama will be in the forefront for the next 4 years, assuming the electoral college pans out the way the popular vote did and providing his BC holds up in court.
Palin, on the other hand, has gone back to the frozen tundra. Whether she resurfaces in 2012 remains to be seen, but can't we just wait until then to start in on her?
Was bashing her, was bashing his choice of
her. I said she was not the MOST qualified. Did not say she wasn't qualified. I said he picked because she would help with the base. That's actually a compliment.
Rather than attacking, try to understand the content.
If you leave our board, I'll leave your board.
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Yes, agreed.
Will ignore them and not read them. I feel better already.
Agreed
Of course not everyone feels the same, but there are a large enough number of current and former military that do feel that way. Not everyone thinks this was/is a valuable effort, and feel the cost is high, both financially and otherwise.
Agreed, but we need to take it one war
If we can't take on a little po-dunk country like Afghanistan and finish the job, then what on earth makes him think we can take on TWO countries simultaneously? (And we'll never finish the job in Iraq, either.) If we'd done what we SHOULD have done to Afghanistan after 9/11, we could have finished the job in a couple of days, and sent a HUGE 'Don't mess with us' message to the rest of the Middle East.
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Agreed
If she wants to play in the big leagues, she needs to act like she should be there. She is a total embarrassment and not qualified to be where she is.
Yes, I said that. I never said I agreed with everything...
McCain said. He, in fact, is not as conservative as I would like him to be. I don't agree with every word that rolls out of his mouth (unlike Obama fans). I certainly see there are flaws. However...none of them come minutely close to Obama's flaws. So, yes, I am supporting him. Do I live to hear or hang on every word that falls out of his mouth...no.
You just can't keep from ridiculing can ya? Is it part of your DNC DNA?
Agreed.
that in the 11th hour of the campaign, the conservative base trots out a token black intellectual elitist, the likes of whom out of the Obama camp they have been trashing for weeks now as being socialist/communist, terrorist "elite" (in a 4-letter word context) Anti-American militants. Mr. Sowell makes a mockery of his own credentials by endorsing the gloom and doom Armageddon you have been hawking ad nauseum for months and months, all falling on deaf ears, thrusting McC poll numbers into a deep plunge and turning off their own party members who are defecting over to the other side in droves. You are preaching to the choir here and that's fine. Nothing wrong with that, except to say the ones you need to be "ENERGIZING" would be the undecideds who have resoundingly rejected these scare tactics in a preference to embrace the simple notion of hope...and still you haven't caught on.
Agreed.
But I doubt we will stay out of it. In fact, this act is probably right on schedule to help Bush with his martial law plan. All we "need" is another attack to "help" it along.
I understand the desire of some to never turn our backs on Israel. What if Israel has a corrupt, deadly government that commits heinous deeds that are against everything the Bible stands for? Do we support that kind of government or do we support the people who inhabit the land of Israel?
As we've seen from our own recent election, sometimes there's a big difference between a government and its people.
Just wondering. 
Agreed. (NM)
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Agreed!
Of course, all the leftists here will come out of the woodwork to profess how open-minded and non-judgemental they are.
Yet these are the same bitter, spiteful vipers who took tremendous glee in pouncing on Palin and jeering at McCain.
I cannot believe how self-righteous they have turned lately.
The 'bandwagon' has become an armored tank.
Can't wait for the pendulum to swing back to sanity after the next four years of this lousy social experiment.
Agreed...(sm)
Yeah, I was the first to snap during the posted farewell to Bush below. I apologize. Regardless of my opinions of Bush, I should have shown more respect for those who thought differently and should have just not said anything at all. Thankfully, you have shown me what a butt head I was.
I appreciate your post, as should others, from both sides, and I join you in the hope for prosperity for all.
Disclaimer: This does not mean I won't continue the fight...LOL.
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Nobody's bashing you
Just because someone questions you it does not a bash make.
Who was bashing? sm
Someone pointed out, actually THREE someones, that a link was not working and you freaked out. Now, who is overreacting here? I tried to point out, nicely I might add, that the link was not working and you started with the only liberals could see it conversation. At least have the good graces to admit that this whole thing is blown way out of proportion. The link does not work. It just doesn't. If it works for you, I am surprised as all get out, because it just does not work for me. Settle down. Take a chill pill. No one is bashing you for Pete's sake.
What is bashing?
Thank you for your post, however, I do not need you to clarify what is a bashing post and what is not. Calling someone ignorant is not needed, debating is. I have participated in many debates both in college and within the internet and honestly debating can be done without disparaging another. Calling someone ignorant is a bash. However, you see the world one way, others see it another. Is not that reason enough to keep all posts and debates as kind as can be?
no bashing here, you are so right!
McCain is the man to lead right now. Palin is a great woman too. Obama is a good guy in many respects, but not to lead this country. He does NOT have the judgment, the depth of character or the right morality IMO. He is really a politician at heart, and its not a 'new kind of politics'... i think the senate is the best place for him.
Not bashing at all....I just wonder, though....sm
how many of you Obama supporters will even bother to admit if and when Obama does not live up to your expectations.
I noticed how no one on this board today, could even be bothered about the one issue I raised in my post, of Obama's lack of discretion, and outright disdain for our current president, by leaking their private conversation, and then lying about it. And then coming out and admitting he lied about it (or rather, his campaign supposedly said all these things and leaked them, etc...but he was the one in the oval office, not his campaign, and thus it came from him....).
Not a word from you on that subject.
No bashing here, BWT........ sm
I agree with you on all points. But the point I was making is now is the time to buy cheap and hope for an increase on your money in the future....and it will be WAY in the future.
We're all in the same boat sinking at the same time, and you're right, there is nothing Obama can do about it. Greed has gotten us to where we are, and not just the greed of the filthy rich either. I think we have about run our course here in America and the next years are going to be hard ones. I'll share my refrigerator box with ya!
I never assumed all agreed with it. sm
But no one condemned it. It's like that movie, the Accused. Those who stood and watched were as guilty as those who raped the girl. It's a comment on today's society in general, no matter what your political persuasian.
Agreed about earning except
that is on a more personal level. People who come to our country need to respect us because they are our guests. As hosts, we do deserve respect. Anyone who disrespects their host is not welcome again, right? If you can't respect your host, then you need to excuse yourself and LEAVE.
As for our leaders, my personal opinion of Billie Bob C. is very low, in fact so low that it probably could not get any further down there and for reasons that should be self-evident. However, when he was my president I did respect his office, his right to govern, and his decisions in governmental matters. Though he was sadly lacking in integrity, he was the president, had more education than I do, and certainly more knowledge of foreign affairs. I gave him benefit of the doubt because he was the elected president of my country. I did not vote for him. I did not like him. I did not use him for a role model for young people. I was ashamed of him. I did respect his office and that is something that liberals could take a good hard look at in themselves. Do you really believe that everything that our government and president does should have full disclosure in the here and now? Do they need to run everything they do by YOU? That is pretty funny. The posts I see let me know that you believe you should have the final word on everything and that your way is the only way and that you are a one-person catalyst to change. That is admirable, but in order to be effective you need to take a look and investigate things more clearly and quit falling for the BS at the Kos and all those other pathetic sites. Do you ever look further? Do you believe everything everyone tells you? After you research more you may find that you will change a few of your beliefs. Seriously.
I would have agreed with if he had chosen...
Ridge or Lieberman.....but I think he'll do just fine with Gov. Palin.
Agreed. And when it does mislead
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Agreed. He'd bury her too. She could
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I agreed with your comment....sm
about thinking that the people that are responsible for all this, should pay for it. Like all the people who walked away with millions from these institutions, as well as running them into the ground. But how could they do that?
I hate the fact that the taxpayers will have to pay for it. Did you hear that Nancy Pelosi and the democrats have added something like a 50 million dollar social package to this bill? So their little socialist agenda will be met, and make us pay even more.
I just don't get it sometimes....it goes on and on and on.....
Thanks for the link. I'll go read it later on my break.
Agreed. Just who will be doing the partying....
remains to be seen. lol.
Agreed - I don't particularly care for him either
I only watched last night because Rush was going to be on and I wanted to hear what he had to say. I don't always agree with Rush, but I am interested in hearing what he says.
The thing I don't like about Hannity's show is the panel discussion. Meatloaf and Fran Drescher? Please!!!
Agreed - all this is from the same folks...
who weren't afraid to refer to Bush as Hitler.
I think, though, it has more to do with him being a dem than being black, JMHO.
Agreed - all this is from the same folks...
who weren't afraid to refer to Bush as Hitler.
I think, though, it has more to do with him being a dem than being black, JMHO.
Some of them were surprised, but still agreed and
one even thought he was intelligent...all except that one woman who choked.
Why the Bush Bashing?
Your post is nothing more than that. Grow up, get a life that is filled with something other than hate.
why the bush bashing?
Spoken like a true conservative republican..if someone does not agree with you or live like you or vote like you or have the same beliefs or morals like you, you attack them personally, without any basis in fact for the attack. Get a life? Grow up? Things that have been posted here about Bush are the truth..PERIOD..yet, you turn around and attack personally, not knowing anything about the posters. I am grown up and do have a life, full of wonderful things and also full of politics and I will post and shout out and write editorials to the newspapers on this corrupt murderous administration any time I feel like it. Thank you very much. Now, why dont you go back to the Conservative Bush sheep section.
bashing bush
I do not see the media bashing Bush, honestly I still wonder why so Americans voted for him - so confusing our Country has never been in the Pearls it is in today, our poor troops!!!!!!
It is not dissent, it is bashing..
The whole gist of your post is bashing. When I complain about bashing of liberals on the liberal board, you reply by bashing even more....and not just bashing me, but all liberals. Why does it bring you so much pleasure to hate so many?
I don't really want an answer, I'll not read any more of your posts, or AG's crowing about you and her slamming the liberals on the liberal board. They are garbage.
Geez. No one is bashing you....
You post under both monikers and denied it for a long time, then finally admitted it. Not bashing, just the truth. And when I started posting as observer on the conservative board and liberal board when both existed, no one else was using that moniker and did not, and I did not know you had used it (yet ANOTHER one) before I started using it. No one said anything to me when I started using it, including YOU, until the issue was raised about Teddy/Taiga. So, you are the architect of fiction, not me. And as to portraying the truth...I suppose one must be able to recognize it. No synopsis to it, Teddy/Taiga. The truth, and no need to check the archives. You know and I know the truth, and anyone who has been posting and following this knows the truth too. What I don't understand is why you are making such a big deal about it. You posted using two monikers, denied you were doing so when confronted, and finally copped to it. It was not a big deal then and is not a big deal now.
Obama bashing
I agree about the measure of success. It's relative. A 4 or 5 point bump isn't exactly chicken-feed when you are already in the lead, but the success of his trip is not about the polls. They will bump and slump a hundred times between now and November for both candidates and because they are skewed, construed and misconstrued, they are not that meaningful one way or the other, especially since we still have not even made it to the conventions. What Obama succeeded in as a byproduct of his accepting McCain's challenge is that he did not exactly come across as some inexperienced rookie as McCain had hoped he would. Instead, he was well received among world leaders who were obviously quite comfortable around him, some of whom expressed their open support and acceptance. He came out of this trip with an impressive stash of diplomatic capital, something that McCain has yet to even recognize as being desirable or advantageous.
It is impossible to measure the numbers of people who were or were not "impressed" by his world citizen identity, but it is possible to be one and be a patriotic American at the same time. It's not a right or wrong, either/or thing. It is phrase that reflects an approach or attitude toward world view and is more accurately defined as a philosophy behind foreign policy that does not in any way diminish love of country. For those who promote diplomacy as an effective and viable alternative to war, it is well understood. For those who don't, it is just more fodder for personal attack and is often misrepresented as a lack of allegiance. This accusation is ludicrous and insulting. Many believe that the desire to avoid and/or prevent war is the ultimate expression of love for country and it is those people who he represents well.
This "hoohah" statement makes no sense. For the sake of clarity, diplomacy is a 4-letter word for those who subscribe to the belief that diplomatic world citizens are un-American. The Berlin speech sure didn't look so "little," with 200,000 in attendance. When did McCain ever spark such interest and excitement? It does not matter where the speeches are made. It is the message that counts. The time is now for a US president who inspires admiration and unity, rather than division, hatred and terror.
The surge is part of a war that did not work, is not working and will never work. Wasn't it just yesterday and the day before that Bush and McCain said something to the effect that the invasion of a sovereign country was inappropriate for the 21st century? Hypocrites. The horrors of war are the horrors of war, no matter who wages them in no matter what country. The surge is not a black and white issue. It is honest NOT to express support for something he does not believe. Personal attacks like this are not issues, they are tactics that lower the bar on the issues dialogue. The dynamics between Obama and the Reverend run much deeper than political expediency and these cheap shots are not exactly honest either. Long-term, meaningful relationships between people who hold diametrically opposed ideals are nothing new. They happen in families all the time. Michelle and Obama were not in South Chicago as part of some clandestine black militant conspiracy. They were doing neighborhood outreach that paralleled many of Trinity church's programs. To dismiss this subject with even that one statement does not do this subject nearly the justice it deserves.
Here's that information void again. Fox and CNN played a sound byte out of context over and over and over and over. A fifth grader could recognize this as propaganda. This does not constitute "so much information," and in fact, is no information at all. To understand his relationship with Rev Wright and that church requires an open mind, knowledge of black history and of Obama's background and biography, a willingness to step out of a comfort zone long enough to face some harsh realities about race in America and most importantly, a desire to understand. Anyone who parrots the trash that Fox and CNN put out on this subject obviously does not possess those traits and will simply have to be left to fester in their own hatred. These statements are made with a very straight face.
The name calling also is not worth addressing. However, there are plenty of white folks and blacks alike who are not black liberationists who can plainly see that it is time to reign in the corruption of the corporations and all their "special" interests, with the "R" word (regulation). How exactly did Ken Lay and his ilk earn those obscene salaries and perks at the cost of those whose hard work stuffed huge profits into their pockets, and just how many lives did they destroy in the process? In a country of such vast wealth, the plight of the homeless, the depths of the poverty, the existence of hunger, the shrinking middle class, the job flight for the sake of endless corporate greed, the foreclosure rates and the health care crisis (just to name a few) are a national disgrace. What some call Marxism/socialism, others think of as simple, basic humanity. It is time for that one fundamental American value to be restored for all our sakes, once and for all.
I wasn't bashing you
I read your post above where you were claiming everyone was bashing you and you were innocent and just defending yourself. I just want you to know I read my post again and I was not bashing you in case you included me in the group of all the people bashing you.
However, here you are calling me a liar. You also are claiming I am not a religious person, and I'll quote you... "You obviously are not a religious person, but that does not mean you are not a moral person, does it?" First telling me I'm a liar and I'm not a religious person, while you may not call that bashing, I call it disrespectful. You don't know me or my religious background and I take offense to someone who makes judgement about me without knowing me.
You also do not know my viewpoints on abortion but are assuming I'm for it. I find abortion dispicable and vile and I posted that awhile back when you first posted about abortion. So don't assume anything.
And how hard is it to not read posts on abortion? Very hard when it seems to come up every day or two. And when its all in capital letters???
It's time to stop playing the victim saying everyone is picking on you and your tired of being attacked when your the one doing the attacking on others for not believing the way you do and not wanted to discuss abortion every day. I see a lot of people are tired of the subject but your answer is "If that chaps you, so be it".
I really do hope other political issues will be on this board so we can put the abortion subject behind us. Enough has been said about it and it's getting old.
skip the bashing for a second, sim
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note: this was in no way gay-bashing, as i am gay too,
but i just had to laugh at the mental image of a pitbull with lipstick, trying its best not to look like a 'klondyke'.
No bashing from me. Just agreement.
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How is this bashing Obama?
She gave you a quote--Obama's own words--and you're not getting it. He identifies with socialists and socialism. That IS the issue.
She lost...get over it. No need to keep bashing...nm
That was not necessary. Let's not start bashing again
Had enough of that before the election. She voiced an opinion. Let it rest.
I am not bashing - but the same can be said of hte pubs -
The bitter, bitter pubs are still bashing Obama instead of waiting and giving him a chance.
He is our next POTUS and he should be given the respect he is due in that position. Everybody should start with a clean slate - at least let him get started before you tear him down...
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