I'm happy s/m

To see that a couple of people will stand up with me.  This nation was founded on the principals of Christianity.  We kicked God out of our schools, courthouses and everywhere else a few thought He should go and look where we are now.  Kids killing each other in the schools, etc. etc. Now I hear they want to take "In God We trust" off of our money.  And my further opinion.........these radical evangelicals who think that anyone who says, "Lord, Lord" must be a Bible thumping Christian, have done more to turn people away from God than the other way around.   No wonder we're in such a mess. 

For anyone who wants to jump on this as "religion"....well don't.  I don't propose that anyone who doesn't want to turn to God be forced to do so but I do believe that it is high time that Christians.....or those who follow Christ (or try to)... stand up and be heard.  AND I believe when enough of us do that, God will lead us.  Again....this is my opinion and I'm not talking about "religion," I'm talking about those of us who have accepted Jesus Christ as our Savoir.  He gave us a choice to accept Him or reject Him and I don't believe he would want us to cram him down anyone's throat who does not want to be a believer.

I'm off my stump now.

• Sam/Gourdpainter debate s/m - gourdpainter
  • I agree, gourdpainter, to a point.... - sam
    • I agree with you, Sam in that - gourdpainter
      • Yep. If I was not absolutely convinced of what... - sam
    • FDR - hang on a minute
      • What does this have to do with Obama? - sam
        • one vote - hang on a minute
          • Same to ya. I am glad you only have one vote... - sam
            • yikes - hang on a minute
            • What a stupid statement...racist? - sam
              • What is a jive turkey? nm - dumb
                • Ask ACORN. They are the ones who submitted... - sam
                • The silence is deafening! For shame Sam nm - geek
                  • Helloo, ACORN submitted a voter... - sam
              • This should be posted under the racist statement... - sam
            • Ah ha, now your true colors come out - racist are we?
              • See answer above. Aha. nm - sam
          • not necessarily. I don't know about other states, but... - MT and worn out
            • Voter fraud by democrats ...sm - ex animo
  • Our pastor was talking just yesterday morning about how - wannie
    • Religious Right has already messed up too much in this - country - we need religion OUT of govm't,
      • Boy, did you sleep through U.S. History? - LT
        • Religious freedom. - And hallelujah for that.
      • Well you wouldn't want Obama then, right???? - He is "religious" ya know.....nm
      • This is the mindset and belief of the - people who want Obama
        • Born-again believers - gourdpainter
          • My thing is - sbMT
            • I agree - gourdpainter
          • gourdpainter, my question is, why is it - that EVERY far, left wing
            • Non-believers/Obama - gourdpainter
      • You're right - gourdpainter
    • I'm happy s/m - gourdpainter
      • Christianity...... - sm
        • Oh my! I have no words. Jesus would not be happy with you. - devout christian
          • He died a long, long time ago! (If he was ever - even real, to begin with).
            • Have you ever been very ill, or had a - surgery of any kind, ...
            • Yes, he died - gourdpainter
            • I don't see anyone forcing you to open posts...? - sam
              • Umm, did I? What's your post got to do - with anything?
                • OP said not to force beliefs on others... - sam
          • How you figure that? - nm
            • You obviously have no clue as to the Muslim...sm - racism abounds
              • You're absolutely right....racism abounds - so does prejudice.......sm
              • Self righteousness isn't appealing.... - sm
        • sPEAK THE NAME OF JESUS OUT LOUD - Judy
          • I'm so glas my mind isn't hopelessly clogged up - with all that religious voodoo.
            • Sad for you. - LT
            • part of that comment is correct....... - sm
            • Sigh - "glad" - not "glas". oy... - !
          • Yeah, and rub your luck rabbit foot...sm - And wish upon a star
            • Exactly who are the rest of you??? - Worth explaining? nm
              • People who use their minds to decide what they do - in life, not superstition.
                • So anyone that believes in God does not have - a mind? Really digging there. nm
                  • Not much of one, if it narrows their view - of the world so badly.
                    • View of the world........ - sm
                    • It doesn't narrow our view of the world, - gourdpainter
                      • yes it does - nm
                        • Well, it would if I thought like you....glad I - have something more.......nm
                        • Well, maybe so if s/m - gourdpainter
              • Certainly you don't expect an answer? - sm
                • Uh, the rest of us are those... sm - And wish upon a star
                  • evidence.......hmmmmm - sm
                    • Those who claim to have 'come to Jesus' as - adults were badly in need of a crutch.
                      • You know better deep inside, which is why you're - trying to back peddle.....nm
                      • I have one question - gourdpainter
                      • Wow you are so horribly rude - sbMT
                        • Well, see how you gals are? You'll flame another - poster mercilessly if they don't - sm
                          • Strange..... - sm
                          • I'm not forcing anything - sbMT
                            • TO SbMT - zoesnana
                        • A crutch is a crutch. Put 'lipstick' on it, and - it is STILL a crutch.
                  • What makes you think that everyone who believes in Jesus grew up in the church? - sbMT
                    • Amen........faith of a mustard seed!! - nm
                  • praying/wishing......... - sm
                    • Something to think about - gourdpainter
                      • Amazing, as I was just thinking this verse to - myself.......Amen! nm
                      • Thank you for posting this! - sm
                        • I am a sinner s/m - gourdpainter
                    • Isn't that what's known as 'blind faith'? - The 'Show-Me' State
                      • Blind faith..... - faith of a mustard seed....sm
            • No need to ridicule. If you don't believe, fine.... - sam
              • Rabbit's foot - zoesnana
              • .....Not very lucky for the poor rabbit..... - :(
              • There is every need to ridicule. sm -
                • have you ever prayed? - nm
                • Religion - zoesnana
                • Of course. I apologize. It is the nature of the left... - sam
                • No need to ridicule - cj
                • There is NO need to ridicule s/m - gourdpainter
                  • Very well put, gpainter! :) nm - sam
                • From a true nonbeliever....... - nm
                  • No need to ridicule, as most religious groups make - a very convincing mockery of THEMSELVES.
                    • And apparently they are not the only ones. nm - sam
                      • Quite true, when it comes to how ridiculous - you come off, with yer pomposity and all.
                        • Pomposity.........hmmmmmmmm - sm
  • "I think everyone had better get out their Bible - and have a read of Revelations"
    • APPLAUSE! - sbMT
      • sbMT, you know what I think? - gourdpainter
        • We are very alike - sbMT
          • sbMT - gourdpainter
            • gourdpainter... - sbMT
              • I love to study Revelations - gourdpainter
              • Left behind - cj
                • I did years ago n/m - gourdpainter
                • No I haven't - sbMT
                  • when I read the first one - cj
      • I agree with one thing you said. sm - Learn some critical thinking skills.
        • facts, evidence, science, and reason - gourdpainter
        • Rational? - sbMT
      • Prayer and reading the Bible - Judy
      • If you are talking about something along the lines of Sharia law , it has already happened in the UK - MT and worn out
        • I can't wait to see what government sponsored god we will have - sbMT
          • Government sponsored god - gourdpainter
            • Victory in Jesus - sbMT
              • That's it - gourdpainter
            • Victory In Jesus!! another sou. Baptist - NM....
          • Amen to that!!! - faith of a mustard seed.....nm
          • Oh, you didn't get the memo? O, of course! - nm

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Sunday, Oct. 02, 2005 Power Outage House leader Tom DeLay's indictment upends the Republicans' to-do list and their outlook for next year's elections. Can they recover in time? By KAREN TUMULTY AND MIKE ALLEN The news that House Majority Leader Tom DeLay had been dreading for months was brought by an aide, who interrupted DeLay's weekly lunch with Dennis Hastert in the House Speaker's office. DeLay absorbed it, and then the man widely called the Hammer on Capitol Hill (though rarely to his face) did what he does best: he hit back. All right, DeLay replied. Let's go. Let's go fight. Less than three hours later, before a roomful of reporters, DeLay addressed a Texas grand jury's charge that he and two political associates conspired to funnel $155,000 in illegal corporate campaign contributions into Texas legislative races. He called it one of the weakest, most baseless indictments in American history and the prosecutor who brought the case a partisan fanatic. That night, anxious to show he's not a recluse, he introduced Rudy Giuliani at a Friends of Israel banquet. DeLay even made an uncharacteristic round of the cable shows, hinting darkly on cnn that he would soon produce very good evidence that his nemesis, Travis County district attorney Ronnie Earle, had engaged in a conspiracy of his own--with the Democratic leadership here in Washington. Combativeness has seen Tom DeLay through near-death experiences before, but on the Hill late last week, it was hard to miss the signs that his foot soldiers and allies had begun positioning themselves in anticipation of his demise. G.O.P. rules require that DeLay, 58, majority leader since 2003, relinquish his post while he fights the conspiracy charge, and speculation is rife that even if he is acquitted his days as one of the most powerful men in the House could be over. You leave a job like this, there is no coming back, says a top Republican official who likes DeLay and thinks he will be cleared. Politics abhors a vacuum more than anything else, and it's going to move past him too quickly. Almost immediately, it did. A plan engineered by DeLay and Hastert to install complaisant Rules Committee chairman David Dreier as temporary majority leader was nixed by conservatives who dislike Dreier's moderate positions on stem-cell research and gay marriage. Instead the brain trust installed ambitious whip Roy Blunt, who will share some of the majority leader's duties with Dreier. The setup is so shaky that some House Republicans are pressing for the election of a new leadership team as early as January. Meanwhile, lobbying shops that had traded on the access to DeLay were desperately dialing House aides to forge new relationships. Those not tied to DeLay were calling the same staff members to gloat. There's millions of dollars on the table, said an aide who had heard from both camps. These guys are going to slaughter each other. What's left of the G.O.P. leadership, already beset by a raft of other political problems, was trying to figure out how to salvage the ambitious legislative agenda of more tax cuts, hurricane help and gas-price relief that they want to carry them to next year's midterm elections--a more difficult challenge with the sidelining of the man who had so determinedly pulled off many of their close victories. DeLay may not have seen the worst of it yet. Sources tell TIME that while Earle was closing in on DeLay from Austin, Texas, a federal investigation into the spreading scandal around disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, accused with Michael Scanlon (a former press secretary of DeLay's) of bilking their Indian-tribe clients out of $66 million, has begun lapping at the edges of the former majority leader's operation. A former Abramoff associate who was questioned by the FBI in August says, They had a lot of e-mails, a lot of traffic between our office and DeLay's office. Many of those exchanges involved lavish travel by DeLay arranged by the lobbyist but requested, the e-mails suggest, by aides in DeLay's office. (House members are allowed to accept gifts under limited circumstances but not to solicit them.) Says the source: There was nothing I saw that hit DeLay personally, but there was a lot of questionable stuff that was going on with his staff. 'Tom wants this. Tom wants that.' Was it really him or just the staff that was being aggressive? DeLay's office wouldn't comment on the Justice Department investigation, and neither would the FBI. Republicans had plenty of problems even before the latest blow to DeLay. Voters are angry about gas prices, the war in Iraq and the botched response to Hurricane Katrina. Polls show President George W. Bush at or near the lowest public-approval ratings of his presidency. On the other side of the Capitol, Senate majority leader Bill Frist faces an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into the circumstances surrounding his decision to sell all of his stock in the hospital chain founded by his family, Hospital Corporation of America, in June, just before the share price dropped following a bad earnings report. So dispirited are Republicans that some worry about losing control of the House--a danger that once seemed remote. We're looking in the crystal ball. We're moving into an area where we don't know what will happen, says deputy whip Tom Cole, a conservative from Oklahoma. With a switch of only 15 seats required to end their majority, Cole is anxious that the party may have to contest as many as 100 tight races if the winds arraying against it turn into a national backlash like the one that ended the Democrats' 40-year reign in 1994. Having seen how the Democrats failed to galvanize their voters in that campaign, Republicans say the chief goal in rewriting their strategy for the fall will be to re-energize their base. The plan taking shape calls for a robust conservative agenda through next spring, including a tax-reform package. That move would allow Republicans to pivot back to issues like education tax credits that would appeal more to moderates as the elections approach. As for DeLay, his struggles appear likely to consume him for many months. He has launched what amounts to a major political campaign to convince supporters that the indictment is flimsy and he is a victim of a political smear. DeLay pointed to Democrats' vow to use G.O.P. ethics as a campaign issue, and supporters noted criticism of Earle in Texas for speaking in May to a $100,000 fund raiser for a Democratic political action committee (PAC). But DeLay has produced no evidence Earle conspired with Democrats in Washington. While it's true that Earle and DeLay have been locked in a complicated war of Texas-size egos for years, the charges against DeLay are fairly simple. During the 2002 elections, a committee DeLay founded to support conservative politicians--Texans for a Republican Majority, or TRMPAC--allegedly accepted $155,000 in corporate donations and then included that in a check for $190,000 to the Republican National Committee, which then routed a similar amount to seven Texas legislative candidates. DeLay's lawyers say the transactions were separate and that the PAC accepted money from both individuals and corporations. The contribution helped produce six wins that were crucial to DeLay's political ambitions in Washington because they resulted in a Republican majority in the state legislature, which redrew congressional district lines and helped add five more Republicans to the state's congressional delegation. If convicted, DeLay faces up to two years in prison and a maximum fine of $100,000. DeLay has done his best to paint the D.A. as a Democratic loose cannon. But Earle, 63, points out that of the 15 public officials he has prosecuted, 12 have been fellow Democrats. Texas law makes it a felony for corporations and labor unions to contribute money to political campaigns, Earle tells TIME. My job is to prosecute felonies. I'm doing my job. The grand jury foreman, William Gibson, 76, insists that this was not one of those rubber-stamp deals. Ronnie Earle did not indict Mr. DeLay. Twelve people on that grand jury voted to indict. If DeLay has cause for hope, it may be that Earle has been more successful convicting minor figures than major ones. The majority leader has put together a legal team headed by Dick DeGuerin, who handed Earle the most spectacular failure of his career: a 1994 misconduct case against former state treasurer Kay Bailey Hutchison that Earle was forced to drop on the first day of trial. Hutchison is now the state's senior Senator. There are those who predict that DeLay will be able to balance mounting a defense with pulling strings behind the scenes in the House. But whereas he had been accustomed to just stepping downstairs to the majority leader's spacious suite of Capitol offices after a House vote, dusk last Thursday afternoon found DeLay outside on the Capitol Plaza, waiting at a traffic light to return to his office in the Cannon House Office Building across the street. Just like any other Congressman.

I hope we never forget that brave American soldiers fought and died for our freedom to post on this very board!  Here's hoping that we all still have the same freedoms in the USA next year this time as we have today. 

My flag is hanging proudly.  I hope you all have a wonderful day.

I must admit that I am not happy about Barrack Obama winning.  I do still have some fear because it seems like there is so much about him that we do not know.  I still worry about his inexperience as well.

However, I hope he is successful as president.  I don't wish him to fail because if he fails.....we all fail.  I hope he is a wonderful president who can bring us out of our crisis.  We will just have to wait and see. 

Just because I'm worried and scared of what is to come....doesn't mean I won't give him a chance.  I will give him a chance and hope and pray that I was wrong about him all along, but until he proves to me that I am wrong....I'm still naturally going to be worried, nervous, scared, etc.  That doesn't make me unpatriotic or a radical republican.  It makes me human.

"To be sure, Obama and his staff have long insisted that they are not measuring their progress on the whims of the markets. One day's gains can be tomorrow's losses. But for those in the commentariat who are down on what has happened under the current president's watch, it's worthwhile putting recent developments in historical context." Your input, not mine.

At lunch time, it was down, but by the end of the day, it was up. The market is not "ready" to rebound yet. Too much still up in the air. I don't get where you think 1 or 2 days gain is the greatest thing that happend since apple pie.  If I had a bunch of money to throw away, I might be throwing some into the stock market now and taking it out tomorrow, but I don't, so I won't. Those that do have the money are doing just that, putting in and taking out the same day. That's not a very reliable way to judge the stock market.

Granted, if it would keep going up, I might move my 401K into a more aggressive portfolio, but after losing more than $7K, I'd rather wait. I only had triple that in a pension plan, so I would rather be safe than sorry.

This does not mean the plan is working yet and I'd rather be safe with what's left of my piddling 401K than sorry.

Don't jump on the bandwagon  yet. There's still a lot left to be desired in the plans and/or laws that they are trying to put in place.

a president who spends more in a few months than Bush did in 8 years?  How can you be happy with a man who said he would sign no bill with pork in it and then turn around and not even read a bill and sign it loaded with pork?  How can a man who campaigns on pulling troops out of Iraq be praised for what he is doing when he has extended the time line to keep troops in Iraq and is sending more to Afgan?  How can you praise a man for giving rights to people who wish to have an abortion but at the same time take away the rights of those who might refuse to perform it because they don't believe in it?  How about the fact that he would appoint no lobbyists and turned around and did just that?  A man who obviously bows to the Saudi King and then lies about it when it is on video tape!! 

This isn't prejudging someone.  It is seeing a politician for what he is.....a liar. 

It never ceases to amaze me that just because someone doesn't agree with Obama that they are instantly categorized as racist or prejudice.  Doesn't it occur to you people that maybe I don't like Obama because he is a liar and it has nothing to do with his race.  A liar is a liar no matter what race or sex a person is.

I'm so sick and tired of the race card.  Obama is the president and each president deals with criticism.  It isn't like this is a new fad of criticizing the president just because he is of mixed race.  If McCain had won, he would have been criticized for every little thing he did too.  Deal with it!

Most, if not all, of YOUR posts are incredibly tasteless, in addition to being rude, crude, offensive and frequently untrue.  Yet, NO liberal has accused you of saying they aren't allowed to speak.

Incredibly tasteless = Not permitted to speak IN WHAT WAY?

Are you agreeing that the poster lied in saying that Army Mom was told she wasn't allowed to speak?

No, of course you're not doing that.

Never mind.

Gregory for Meet the Press.  I think the team at NBC and MSNBC have put together in the last year is exceptional.  Its a good feeling to have faith in our new president, his cabinet appointees and even the media covering him.  I think maybe we had to hit Bush-rock bottom to be able to get our act together.  Did anyone hear that Rev Wright called Eliz Hasselback a dumb blonde or such other phrase.

No evictions or sale of foreclosed homes November 26 through January 9th.

That is really sad.

I know we often don't agree on this board and sometimes don't get along.

However, I hope each and every poster has a wonderful, happy, healthy Thanksgiving.

At this point in time, we have much to be concerned about, but we also have much to be thankful for.  I personally am thankful for the mere fact that I'm still here and breathing and will enjoy another Thanksgiving with my family.

I hope in the year ahead that we can learn to get along with each other a little more, that respect and politeness will trump contempt and anger.  If we can manage that, then I will have that as an additional thing to be grateful for next Thanksgiving, if I'm fortunate enough to still be here a year from now. 

is knowing that someone who actually has a viable plan will be in charge for a while. 

There's that and the fact that you guys have such an aversion to this countdown that it's getting downright hilarious.  The usual poster for the countdown must be off today, so I posted in thier stead.  I didn't want you guys to go a whole day without something to gripe about.  ROFL.

 on politics. She forever tries to make a laughing stock out of everyone who doesn't share her views. I think she is ridiculous and I get a kick out of her when she cracks a "supposed funny" but no one laughs. She is he11 bent on views so much, she makes me sick. I don't see where or why she is part of that program. It's supposed to be open topics, but when someone she likes it on the program, she keeps her mouth shut. I just wish she would keep it shut more often.