How about something original...your wonder boy is in deep crap...
Posted By: sm on 2009-02-07
In Reply to: Like I was embarassed and angry when Bush was our president? - sm
and he knows it...just 2 weeks in and already can't remember what he promised. The coming 4 years are going to be great to watch; the Messiah implodes, millions who have been hoodwinked will have their eyes opened and they will STILL blame Bush.
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Original pledge by forefathers didn't include God. I agree with keeping the original.
http://www.usflag.org/history/pledgeofallegiance.html
The original Pledge of Allegiance
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all.
On September 8,1892, the Boston based The Youth's Companion magazine published a few words for students to repeat on Columbus Day that year. Written by Francis Bellamy,the circulation manager and native of Rome, New York, and reprinted on thousands of leaflets, was sent out to public schools across the country. On October 12, 1892, the quadricentennial of Columbus' arrival, more than 12 million children recited the Pledge of Allegiance, thus beginning a required school-day ritual.
At the first National Flag Conference in Washington D.C., on June14, 1923, a change was made. For clarity, the words the Flag of the United States replaced my flag. In the following years various other changes were suggested but were never formally adopted.
It was not until 1942 that Congress officially recognized the Pledge of Allegiance. One year later, in June 1943, the Supreme Court ruled that school children could not be forced to recite it. In fact,today only half of our fifty states have laws that encourage the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in the classroom!
In June of 1954 an amendment was made to add the words under God. Then-President Dwight D. Eisenhower said In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war.
Tired of choosing between crap and crap?
I posted "over there" and so I figured I'd post over here, too. Anyone else tired of party wars and sheep mentality and more interested in the Constitutional Republic that made us what we are now?
We are in deep doo doo!
This country is crying out for help. Government spending is WAY out of control. This is one major reason that I am not voting for Obama. In his charismatic talk of change, he is wanting to spend more money on these so called programs to help the poor and the middle class. Raising taxes will not bail our country out of the situation we have found ourselves in. All I hear about nowadays is how Bush has dragged this country down and now all republicans are bad. Congress is controlled by democrats. They are just as guilty in all this government spending crap. All politicians are to blame for this. Stop the outrageous spending!!!!! Stop padding your pockets full of money while the rest of the country struggles to live! All politicians care about is getting in office and making money for themselves. Do they really stop to think about our country and the long-term effects?
I don't know that McCain has all the answers to help pull us out, but at least I have more faith in him. At least he isn't wanting to create government programs that will up the spending and will ultimately fail to achieve anything. Universal healthcare is not the answer. Doesn't work for other countries....why would it work for this one? Everyone keeps saying how Obama will cut taxes....all of these government programs will not cut taxes. They will increase them.....simple as that.
The true evil here is government spending. STOP THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!! They can tax us until we have absolutely no money left whatsoever and the government would just spend it all and that is the problem.
Now there you go, off the deep end
as a person for a change, not a Republican, not a Democrat, just another person trying to make this a better place to live, trying to follow her heart.
Off the deep end a bit, are we?
we should not hand over the keys to the kingdom over to those who would turn us all into Disneyland denizens.
You need to take several deep breaths
you have let your perceptions get the best of you. I was not aware, until this thread that Carla had lost someone in Iraq this year. Some of us have not been here as long as others and don't read the hundreds of threads to pick these little nuances up. I'm sorry you have such a huge chip on your shoulder, and if I offended Carla and you I'm sorry, but it still does not change my opinion on the larger issues at hand.
You really have blown some issues out of proportion, most definitely this one.
Someone here fell off the deep end
But that's OK, the moderator knows individual people are making these posts. And one always has the option of emailing a poster privately and getting a response if they were truly concerned about someone's identity. I suppose its easier on the ego to think one person is making these observations, instead of realizing several people are agreeing, lending more validity to the point. I've had muliple posters disagree with me before, and never once jumped to the conclusion they were all the same person. It caused me instead to ponder perhaps I was in the wrong...but I guess we all handle these things diferently, huh?
Going off the deep end, gt, getting even more bizarre as time goes by. nm
The deep south was on target ;-) nm
Fact remains...your guy is in just as deep...
and dirty, and McCain at least tried to head it off, while your guy became their #2 recipient. Now THAT is an INCONVIENIENT truth. lol.
You know better deep inside, which is why you're
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It's not hate, is deep concern
I don't hate Obama. I think he's a fine person. Great with giving speeches and beautiful family. Personally I will enjoy hearing his voice give a speech over McCains voice and was really getting sick of hearing "my friends" in every other sentance of a speech McCain gave. So it's not that I or others hate Obama. Unlike the hate we have seen from the other side.
What it is is very deep concerns that everything we have worked for and everything we aspire for and live for and save for and teach our kids is going to change for the worse. I do not think Obama is qualified to be president. I don't and that is my opinion. Evidently other people do feel otherwise and therefore he became president (which I still have doubts that a president is really elected by the people - I think he was already picked a long time ago). But my gut feeling is the same exact feeling I had for Clinton. He promised us so much while he was campaigning and once he got in he screwed the country royally. This is the same feeling.
I hope I am wrong and honestly if I am wrong and if he does do good things I WILL be on this board and admit that I am wrong. But at the same time when I hear and read that he is doing somthing wrong, not fullfilling (sp?) his campaign promises I will also be on this board posting too.
I will admit that I am not always right, but when I feel strongly and when I feel I am right I speak my mind.
My main concern is his redistribution of weath. I'll tell you if my taxes go up so that people like that girl (forget her name) who said it was a historic moment and never in her whole life did she ever think she would not have to work to pay her mortgate and would not have to work to buy gas - if my taxes go up so that way she can pay her rent and gas and bills because I had to put in an extra 10 hours of work to pay the extra taxes for HER!!!!! You can bet your you know what I'm going to be on this board screaming and shouting.
But DH and I were talking and we said maybe it is someone like Obama who will finally be able to do something right and fight for Americans. One never knows. So if he does I will come on and admit I was wrong.
This is off the deep end and it serves no useful purpose
If that is what you want to believe, so be it. I agree with absolutely nothing you have said and I also feel confident that I understand exactly what he meant and who he is.
You know you'll drown in the deep end
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Another deep political thinker
Obviously, one of those mindless lemmings the Democrats count on so very much, who will follow the Big BO right over the edge of the cliff, chirping merrily away all the way down to the bottom.
Lurker, Raven, you really went off the deep end this time. sm
This is from Dean's World, which is a liberal website, by the way. Even this liberal doesn't agree with you. Your Bush Derangement Syndrome has taken an even darker and deeper turn. You might want to spend more time watching the animals and contemplating where all this hatred comes from.
November 29, 2003
Obnoxious
One of the more shallow memes of the current war goes like this:
Isn't it shameful that President Bush hasn't attended the funerals of very many of the service men who have fallen in this war?
Anyone who thinks very hard about this knows this is an incredibly shallow criticism. Otherwise, the great Generals and Presidents of history, such as Roosevelt, Eisenhower, MacAurther, Patton, Lincoln, and Grant would have never done anything with their time except attend funerals.
Still, if you need to know what history shows, then ask a veteran. As Gulf War veteran John Cole notes, no President has ever regularly attended military funerals.
That's right. Franklin Roosevelt didn't. Harry Truman didn't. Dwight Eisenhower didn't. John F. Kennedy didn't. Lyndon Johnson didn't. Richard Nixon didn't. Ford and Carter didn't. Reagan attended more than most Presidents ever did, but still usually didn't. Bush the Elder usually didn't. Clinton did a couple of times, but mostly didn't.
What if we go all the way back to Presidents like Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington? Turns out that they didn't either.
Why? Because if they did, they would do almost nothing else.
The President of the United States is the leader of hundreds of millions of people. Part of his job is to command hundreds of thousands of people in the military. The next time you vote for a President, I hope you think very hard about that, because that's one of the most important things any President ever does.
But one thing he generally doesn't do is attend the funeral of every fallen service man. Mind you, a good one wishes he could attend every such funeral. A good one feels it like a knife in his gut every time a soldier falls. But he can't be there every time a soldier falls. He just can't.
If you don't understand that, then, to be blunt, you lack maturity
Yep, the above-mentioned was just put on MSNBC. Hardly digging deep for
exist, as you said, and I was hoping to alert someone to that with my post. Thanks for the support.
It's called your brain. It's somewhere in that deep skull (nm)
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And you are so deep in denial a forklift couldn't....
drag you out. Repeat after me: ohhhhbaaaamaaaa.
Gag me is right!!
and I live in the deep south so do not know any autoworkers - nm
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Very sincere here, I know the country is in deep trouble with the ......sm
constantly-growing unemployment lines, the banking crisis, stock market debacle, fall-out of our gross national product, growing mortgage crises, etc., but as much as I support our President and feels that he has the initiative, the drive, the intelligence, altruism, the humanitarianism, etc., to get this country turned around (and boy do we need a total 180 degree here), I really feel it is being pushed way too aggressively and hastily,.....haste makes more waste, and boy we do not need more of THAT. I see many good ideas in the O plan, and we certainly need a change in the banking laws, corporate tax structure, etc., but I have been reading as much as I can, and I have to agree with the moderate Republicans (is the sky falling yet?), there is a lot of JUNK in the Obama Solution that is really just contributing more to our national debt, and will not do anything substantial for the common folk, which is supposedly what this whole Bill is about. There is suffering and people are desperate, but if we pass the wrong plan, we will be living with even more misery and debt that our great-grandchildren will not even be able to pay off. Good solid social programs, yes, educational programs, yes, work programs, yes, help with our medical system, yes, but man, there are so many pet projects in their it looks like a lobbyist's dream. Slow down a bit, think a lot more, and perhaps we can really trim that "baby" into a truly successful plan!! Okay, off the  , call me SCARED and confused, yes democrats have open minds and limits to spending!
Not deep, issue-based political discourse, is it?
It can be entertaining if you don't take it seriously though.
Unclench butt cheeks, take a deep breath, and
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Your deep-seated denial is purely pathlogic and
is very telling about how hard you work to keep yourself insulated from the truth. There is no reason for Palestinians to exaggerate the atrocious fatality figures. Besides that, a survey of multiple new sources both inside and outside the US reveal these figures are amazingly consistent. They are compiled by hospital and (nonpartisan) humanitarian workers and the Red Crescent (the Middle East's equivalent to the Red Cross) which services the entire region, including Israel. The figures are notoriously CONSERVATIVE estimates, reflecting reported deaths and nearly always are later replaced with high numbers once the dust settles on the carnage.
"Their word against ours?" How childish can you get? This statement strongly implies a person who is interested in covering up the truth rather than getting to it. Why would you do that? Who is "ours?" WE are eyewitness to nothing, except a sanitized version of US mainstream media war reporting.
Actually see the bodies? Ever since Viet Nam, we have not had access to those images because the government learned that if you show the carnage, it turns the tide of public opinion against the war.
Be careful what you ask for. I can hook you up with some links.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/12/29/updated-gaza-massacre-photo-gallery/
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/12/27/haitham-sabbah-photos-of-the-day/
http://www.ccun.org/Opinion%20Editorials/2009/January/2%20o/Gaza%20Massacre%20in%20Pictures,%20January%202,%202009.htm
About that hiding behind women and children crack/statement which you are parroting from the lying media mouthpieces. Gaza is the 6th most densely populated area in the world. There are 10,792 people per square mile in Gaza. Gaza is an occupied territory which has been blockaded for the past 18 months by Israel. There is no escape. There is no way out. And there is no possible way that Hamas (who live in Gaza and are citizens themselves) can NOT be among the civilian population. Weapons in mosques? Maybe. Maybe not. Where's the proof? This is the claim of the occupier. Sorry, I need convincing.
You're right. Bad guys don't always wear uniforms. Some of them wear suits and hide behind big impressive titles like prime minister, president, chairman and the like.
I fear this is just the proverbial tip of that immensely deep iceberg.
Is there no end to the felonius character of that man we used to call President of the United States? Talk about Big Brother!!! And to think those commenting on you earlier posting were paranoid about "Government" being involved in everything! Kind of ironic!
Cut the crap already!
The below question was asked on August 24, and MT responded as quoted below.
Are the Bush supporters, those who voted for him, are you going to join the civilian corps to support the cause you believe in?
MT: Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all. NM
For crying out loud, it's still on the board!! When are you people going to get smart enough to figure out that you can't lie about your words once you've put them in writing and they're still there for everyone to see???!! Just because Bush does it all the time doesn't mean that it's okay, because the majority of Americans are sick of him and his lies, as well!!
And, yes, I know what you mean about feeling dirty and needing a shower. I feel that way every time I'm accosted by a liar that believes it's superior. EWWWWWWWWW YUCK!
Go back to your own board. Nobody from this board has bothered you there, and you and those of your ilk just can't stand it, can you??
No crap for me either (nm)
Well crap....they took it off.
They had another one like this one and it was taken off too. Evidently it struck a nerve with some people. It was a really good video too. That sucks.
Sorry you didn't get to see it. You would have liked it. It basically showed facts pointing to the financial crisis starting back with Carter and then with Clinton and linking Dodd and Obama and how their name kept coming up with all of this. Pretty much pointed the finger of blame to dems. It had some really good music with it too.
It is just such crap
used more bad language today than I have in I don't know how long.... flippin' aggravating...WOODEN ARROWS????? WHAT THE HECK IS THAT????
the same old crap we need
:)
OH CRAP. DOW BELOW 8,000
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When would it be okay to add this crap?
I don't understand where it's okay that the taxpayers (i.e. you and me) should pay for new furniture for a government office or new cars to government employees or pay for Hollywood producers to buy movies? When did it become okay for us to fund this kind of garbage? And why are the people in Congress who think this is okay still in Congress?
They would just crap themselves
if nobody paid their taxes. LOL! However, I think too many people would be afraid not too and those courageous ones who didn't would be in deep trouble. You won't get a free pass like Geithner and Daschle.
Oh well crap.
You knew what I meant. LOL. I'm so used to typing certain words that they just kind of happen without me realizing it. I guess I need to start proofreading what I type on here.
you know why? because the way you see it, is crap...nm
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"Holy CRAP" is exactly what that ad is.
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Holy crap...I believe in everything
Al Queda says. Sheesh. Are you friggin kidding me? Who isn't to say they are just saying this to scare people into ushering in Obama because they like him. Besides, as for McCain following Bush's failed war.....we are winning....the surge was successful....get a clue.
Do you honestly think that if AL Queda does something to us that Obama will just sit back and not do anything? Obama has said he will not take military action off of the table. So this whole.....Obama will stop the war crap.......you can't count on that because you don't know what those freaky psychotic terrorists have up their sleeves. It all sounds good as another failed promise though huh....I will stop the war. Just like he won't raise taxes on middle class even though raising taxes on businesses will trickle down to us and they will jack up prices of their products and we will pay for the tax hike that way....not to include the fact that all of Obama's plans cannot be covered by taxing the rich alone and he will have to raise taxes on the rest of us folks as well.....WAKE UP AMERICA!
Crap. The more I am looking into videos
This video is bothering me. Obama makes a statement and he then makes it out to be that it got twisted and everyone laughs and jokes about it, but then he says while everyone is laughing, "BUT IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO." Do people not see who he really is and how he acts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pO1dIKgfPw&feature=related
I'm just really over the race crap
They talk about how everything is so unequal when, at least in the south, that is complete crap. My husband can't get a job because he's NOT a minority. I can't get scholarsips because i'm NOT a minority. The government doesn't provide help to poor WHITE people because they are NOT a minority.
This man would have never been elected if he was NOT black. Excuse me, HALF BLACK.
You can't back any of your crap up....
so, reference to Jesus/dinosaur is a metaphor for your lack of education and understanding.
Reading this crap is what
Why do you call him the messiah? Can't anyone do a good job without your sour grapes bubbling over?
Your posts make me sick. If Obama stood on his head and spit out wooden nickels, you would somehow find fault with that and post some inflammatory statement about it. That's what is SICK.
Oh well crap...typo.
I should have typed accept instead of except. Sheesh. I thing I need another cup of coffee.
Federal Grand Jury Digging Deep into Bush Crimes
PRESIDENT INDICTEDFEDERAL GRAND JURY DIGGING DEEP INTO BUSH CRIMES
By Greg SzymanskiA federal whistleblower close to the Chicago federal grand jury probe into perjury and obstruction charges against President Bush and others said indictments of top officials were handed down this week. A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Northern District of Illinois, however, refused to confirm or deny the source’s account.
“We are not talking about any aspect of this case, and our office is not commenting on anything regarding the investigation at this time,” said Randall Sanborn from the office of U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, the attorney conducting the grand jury probe into whether Bush and others in his administration violated federal law in a number of sensitive areas, including leaking the name of a CIA operative to the media.
In December 2003, Fitzgerald was named special counsel to investigate the alleged disclosure of Valerie Plame’s name to several mainstream columnists, but the present grand jury probe has expanded to include widereaching allegations of criminal activity as new information has surfaced.
Although the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Chicago is staying silent, it is well known that Fitzgerald is digging deep into an assortment of serious improprieties among many Bush administration figures, based, in part, on subpoenaed testimony provided by former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
According to whistleblower Tom Heneghen, who recently reported on truthradio.com, Powell testified before the citizen grand jury that Bush had taken the United States to war based on lies, which is a capital crime involving treason under the U.S. Code. “Regarding the Powell testimony, there is no comment,” said Sanborn.
However, sources close to the federal grade jury probe also allegedly told Heneghen a host of administration figures under Bush were indicted, including Vice President Richard Cheney, Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Cheney advisor Mary Matalin. Heneghen, unavailable for comment, also allegedly told sources White House advisor Karl Rove was indicted for perjury in a major document shredding operation cover-up.
In recent weeks, there has been much controversy over Fitzgerald’s wide-reaching probe, which is extending far beyond the Bush administration to include what some have called “a wholesale cleansing” of a crimeladen White House and Congress.
Fitzgerald’s investigation is said to be also centered on members of the 9-11 Commission, members on both sides of the aisle in the House and Senate and also select high-powered members of the media.
Needless to say, administration officials are “fighting mad” with Fitzgerald. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts is trying to derail Fitzgerald’s probe by calling him to testify before the Senate regarding his true motives behind the investigation.
Political observers are now wondering whether administration-friendly Republican legislators, some under investigation themselves, are conspiring like President Nixon did in Watergate with Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in an attempt to shield the Bush administration from prosecution.
In late July, reports about the recent bomb scare in the subway under the congressional offices at the Dirksen Building—coincidently near where Fitzgerald was holding his grand jury hearings—raised questions as to whether government operatives were sending the zealous prosecutor a “warning message” that he was entering dangerous waters with his investigation.
The bomb scare was reported to local police late Monday afternoon, July 18, causing the subway to be evacuated for approximately 45 minutes while bomb sniffing dogs and SWAT team members searched for what was reported to be “a suspicious package” left on one of the subway cars.
Fitzgerald began serving as the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois in September 2001. He was initially appointed on an interim basis by former Attorney General Ashcroft before being nominated by Bush.
The Senate confirmed his nomination by unanimous consent in October 2001. In December 2003, he was named special counsel to investigate the Plame case. Based on the testimony of ABC sources in late July, it appears that at least two close associates of Rove testified before the grand jury. One was Susan Ralston, a longtime associate of Rove and considered to be his right hand.
The other was “Izzy” Hernandez, regarded as Rove’s left hand and now a top official in the Commerce Department.(Issue #33, August 15, 2005)
Honey chile, I was bred, born and raised in the deep south. LOL
The ad is pretty much crap. I did a bit of research...
and found some info. (which I should have wrote down where) about the whole thing. Yes, Ayres and Obama worked for the same board a long time ago. Ayres contributed a big whole $200 to some campaign of Obama's a long time ago. And, the whole reference of his political career starting at Ayres house is a joke. When Obama first talked about going into politics he went to a party or dinner, something to that end, with some woman, a Senator I believe but don't quote me, that he was working for. This party I guess was at Ayres house and while there, this woman announced that she was going to be retiring and that Obama should be her successor. That's it. If you can do some research and tell me where I am wrong or misread, please do. I don't just automatically believe everything I see, I actually do some research. Obama has said he knows who Ayres is that they once worked together. Personally, that doesn't make someone my friend.
Also, I read somewhere too that that ad on TV is pretty much illegal due to some campain reform that was made in 2003. I don't know the whole whys of that, but did read something about that.
Holy crap....I teared up on that one.
I can't even imagine knowing that I was alive only because the abortion my mom tried to have failed. I know my mom was given the option of abortion with me because she was older and they were afraid it would put too big of a strain on her kidneys. Thankfully, my mom refused.
What I have NEVER understood is how abortion is not considered murder and you can legally have an abortion. However, if a pregnant woman is shot in the abdomen and her unborn child is killed, the gunman can be put on trial for murder or if the unborn child and mother both die it is considered a double murder. Why is it murder in one instance and not another. It is still taking the life of an unborn child. Just because one is wanted by its parent and the other isn't....so I guess that makes abortion okay since the parents don't want it....just kill it.
I'm sorry....I know you guys are tired of abortion debates. This is just my opinion. You all are welcome to your own opinion in this matter. So don't bash. If you don't agree....fine.
huffingtonpost is crap. That garbage should be
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I have heard this, and what a load of crap....
even if that were true, which I highly doubt...why doesn't he fire his accountants who exploit any loophole there is, and not take any deductions and pay more? No one is holding a gun to his head and forcing him NOT to pay more taxes. Why doesn't he give the cleaning lady a freaking raise??
There is that box on your return you can check and just write a check to the Treasury. Why doesn't he do that?
I heard Warren Buffett say this morning, about putting 3 billion into GE, "I am greedy. I am doing this to make money." I don't think there is anythng altruistic about Warren Buffett. He is one of those Wall Street rich folks people on this board have been talking about hating. This "crisis" is right up his alley....he is going to make billions.
Not all corporations are of Buffett's mind...and I repeat again...who do you think employs most of the people in this country? Who? Small businesses, corporations, and rich people. They already account for more than 80% of what goes into the Treasury NOW.
And how can Obama cut the taxes of 95% of Americans when 95% of Americans don't pay taxes??
Crap. Dodd is staying on?
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so sick of reading this crap
do u really think that if O was not legally able to be pres because of his b/c that McCain and his campaign wouldnt have been the first to point this out? Anyways, who really cares????? There are WAY more important issues to be arguing about. People get way upset about a stupid b/c but they condone things like abortion! Give me a break! The things people choose to stand up for sometimes amazes me.
This is just plain crap - see message
Anytime anyone says anything that doesn't elate the messiah you scream racism.
Statement - "I don't like his policies". Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "The people he picked for his cabinet are not qualified" - Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "He lied to us in his campaign. Offered us hope but there is no hope." - Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "We're tired of him spending money that hasn't even been printed yet". Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "It's about time we have someone of a different race in the WH". Your reply - "Right on. I agree with you."
This racist bull is getting old and so untrue, but whenever you can't argue with something you scream racism. GET OVER IT! We have. Enough with this "racism" thing. If you can't bring a conversation then just don't say anything, but please spare me with the racism crap.
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