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Hey, that's the American dream - I'm all for sitting on my butt and making $$$

Posted By: Duchess Bridger on 2009-03-22
In Reply to: Which is how Obama wants it....free handouts!! - Sit on your butt and make money! NM

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So much for the American dream.

The more you work, the more they take away.  It will be the middle class people to suffer from this.  The rich will survive.  The low-income and no income people will be the ones to benefit from this.  This just encourages people to not work hard.  The more money you make by working hard.....you will be penalized and that hard earned money of yours will be given to someone who doesn't work.  This will be a huge snow ball that will eventually crush us entirely as more and more people work less and then the middle class and the rich will have even more people to support.  Like I've said before.....it sickens me.


What ever happened to accountability and self-reliance?  What ever happened to hard working Americans who were too proud to receive a hand out.  Now it seems that is all I hear....people screaming about not getting handouts and playing the victim.  Give me give me give me.  Instead of encouraging them to get a good education and work hard.....we are enabling them to remain "victims" while we foot the bill. 


Why should hard working Americans suffer?  Shouldn't they be rewarded for their hard work instead of penalized?  I guess that doesn't matter to Obamanation as he is rich and this won't hurt him....so why should he care.  As long as he is taking care of his low-income homies...I guess it is all good, huh?


This is the story of one American's dream...sm
about to be shattered by Obama's spread the wealth plan, should he be elected.


That's all there is to this story.


This everyday guy, Joe American, has aspirations to better himself, much the same way most of us do.


I think most Americans completely understand his story. It strikes a chord with us, all aspects of it.

That even includes all the supposedly negative stuff that was dug up today about him, which does not detract one iota from what this story is really about.



that's called the American Dream -
don't we all want that? Is that not what everybody is fussing about - that we should all have the right to make as much money as we want to and keep as much money as we want to?

His life has been interesting, his story has been bought, so of course he is making the money.

Do you fuss about Oprah, Dr. Phil, Ellen... the list goes on and on - they don't share their wealth and I do not see you complaining about them.
My American Dream went down the toilet

last year when my retirement account was cut in half, and there has not been much work lately for DH or I, so there's no way to offset the loss and no way to put money back into it.


I don't gripe about anyone making money, but...and this is a large but....I believe this was just another piece of campaign propaganda. After all, it came out while he was running for president. What better timing?


Do you think if he wrote the book before running for prez, it would have sold as well?


Did you hear how much he gave to charities? I haven't. If you have a source of that info, please enlighten me.


I was brought up Buy American made products, keep American jobs.
Always bought American made cars and bought products from companies where my family was employed. Now look at America? We are definitely connected all around the world.

My feeling? Obama states he wants to start from the poor upward. Not the other way around like it has been for quite awhile. That to me does not necessarily mean just in America, but around the world by taking the poorest countries and working upward so America's pay wages and everything else will be so low and comparable to the poorest countries. After all, we are now connected together.

Cannot wait to see what will happen with the Swine flu this fall with the second wave and what it will do to the economy of all the countries combined at once.
this has been sitting here

all by its lonely for over an hour without a rebuttal or a distraction post.  Bullseye!


 


Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.

I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".
oh, dream on...
Silly, maybe.  Burned out on all of it, you bet!
I, too, Have a Dream......

We have just lived through a commander-in-chief presidency whose oppressive power and overwhelming hubris would undoubtedly have left our first early presidents in shock, if not armed revolt. They would have seen George Bush's world - in which strength was the byword of power and weakness an anathema - as the scion of European autocracy. These were, after all, men wary of armies and military power, who had sacrificed the very idea of executive strength to a tripartite form of government that would, they hoped, have the advantages of resiliency and responsibility. They understood - and embraced - certain limits that Americans may only be waking up to now.


Of course, given these last years of a government gone dark and ominous, it's not surprising that we generally don't. Facing the imperial, never-apologize, don't-listen-to-a-word-you-say, Caesarian, unitary-executive, commander-in-chief years of disarray, we Americans have - despite some online liveliness - largely suffered a failure of the imagination.


Have we ever had a president who told more countries what they "must" do? - I'd like to hear our next president speaking more like one of us and less like the ruler of the universe, more like the president of these imperiled United States and less like the autocrat of the planet.


    Of course, Americans, especially younger ones, have long been alienated from their government - aka "the bureaucracy" - and a national capital that projects the oppressive look of a Green Zone. That's where an eloquent black president, an improbable crosser of all sorts of boundaries, standing before us next Tuesday to express his -- and our - dreams and fears, offers an immediate ray of hope. In his very words that first day, he can potentially begin airing out the most secretive (and inefficient) government in national memory. He can remind us of our better selves and let the sun shine in.


    If we want to have a government we care about, we had better start exercising those imaginative powers fast. After all, if you don't use it, you lose it. Voting isn't faintly enough. Supporting Barack Obama isn't faintly enough. Either we start acting like we, the people, can set a few agendas of our own, write a few speeches of our own, or we might as well forget it.


he isn't a sitting president
don't you think he's a getting a little ahead of himself? I find it arrogant to be talking 2nd term when you aren't in the 1st term yet.
As I was sitting on my couch

nursing my head cold with cough medicine and sucking on Halls......I just couldn't help wonder what has really happened to all of us?  I mean really.  Whatever happened to the citizens of the USA taking care of themselves.  Why are we so dependent upon our government?  We have put so much faith into a system that is full of politicians who will say anything to get elected into office.  We have gone from proud Americans who would rather work harder than ever receive a handout from anyone to people who continually cry out that they are victims and government should support them.  Whatever happened to self-reliance?  We are spoiled.  We got too comfortable.  People spent more money instead of saving it.  People lived way beyond their means, got mortgages they couldn't afford, and used credit cards unwisely. 


I'm sorry but I do not want government to take care of me. I don't want money earned by others to support me.  I don't want more government programs that increase government spending.  I don't want government telling me who I can doctor with and how soon I can get into see one. I don't want government taking more of my hard earned money and spending it. 


What I DO want is smaller government.  I want government spending to be controlled.  We all live on budgets and so should our government.  I don't want the government to have more control of my life.  If we expect government to get big enough to take care of all of our needs....it will also be a government big enough to take away our liberty.  That is not what I want.


We the people need to take control of our own lives.  Be responsible for our own actions.  If we use poor judgment, we alone should face the consequences without expecting everyone else to bail us out.  If you are capable of working, get off of your lazy rear end and work.  We need to start by teaching our kids how to save their money and not spend every dime they get.  We need to teach our kids that the foundation to a good life starts with a good education.  To always give 100% and by all means.....learn from your mistakes and keep trying. 


I will get off of my soap box now.  I'm sure you are all tired of hearing my drugged up on cough syrup rantings.  LOL!


The sitting president....(sm)

is doing just that...sitting on his a$$ and not doing anything.  Meanwhile the economy has been going down the tubes.  Yeah, it's much more important to kiss Bush's butt than to actually address the situation we are in and get people working again.  Have you ever heard of the word *priorities?*


And speaking of rude, how about that Blair house thing?  How petty is that?


Of course. US looks like sitting ducks with
We need somebody for SOS Right Away.
I think that would be a dream ticket
but I don't know if they could get along after all of the nasty things they said about each other. Or at least, what Bill has said about Obama
Dream on........zzzzzzzzzz nm.

Dream on, lady.
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Sorry, but that is just a dream. Obama is just
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One man's nightmare is another man's dream
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He was sitting in the office with them and they were briefing him...
but of course you have to have an open mind and yours is obviously snapped shut. If it doesn't come down from the DNC it doesn't exist. Got it.
Those 94 dems were sitting on the sidelines

which way the wind would blow.  Still with the blame game.


And I'm not sitting playing the woe is me, pity
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I'm sitting here laughing - see message
I just came from the religious board and then popped to this board and saw this message. That is too funny. What's even funnier is I think I've been to the religious board just maybe a couple times (I'm not religious like a lot of others, but was curious what was being posted there). So thanks for the laugh.

I think now that the election is over there won't be as much a "ruckus" as there was leading up to it.

I'll still post now and then, but I had to cool it for awhile and try and get some work done.

Too funny your message though with me just coming from the religious board.

So it's g'night for now. I'll be back to "stir the pot" from time to time. :-)
question about a dream/obama

I heard something about Obama saying he had a dream of some sorts that lead him to believe he would be a leader or something along those lines?  Or is this just some gossip?


As Clinton said, the Obama dream is a
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What sitting president doesn't run for a second term? nm
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I find it amusing how a bunch of MTs sitting
around in their robes typing all day have suddenly become the political pundits of the world, interjecting their wisdom (often found on the internet) and view points with such ferociousness. Alert the media! These women are a force to be reckoned with!
I think the hypocrites are the morons sitting in Congress right now.
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Yep, sitting in Rev Wright's church sure proved that
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It's the anniversary of MLK's "I've got a dream" speech....
....as I would imagine the DNC and Sen. Obama planned it this way.

I thought it was a very simple, well stated, congratulations, give by McCain. He was very sincere to me and meant every word.
You're living in a dream world
You think the thugs are targeting the poor neighborhoods where they assume there's nothing there to steal. No, they target those they think have something they feel "entitled" to. My neighbor up the street last February drove into his garage, got out of his car, and had a gun pointed to his head forcing him back into his car, where he was made drive to a local ATM. When he got out to go the ATM, he just sad the h@ll with it and starting running next door to a pharmacy. Why guns? Protection from what? Are you looney? Guns in a purse that the robber isn't betting on could mean his head blown off instead of yours.

The lady sitting in her living room a few weeks ago watching TV, when a couple of jackasses broke through her plate glass window and came after her with a gun. You think if I were in another part of the house, heard this, and could get my hands on a gun or a baseball bat, I would choose a baseball bat? I'd blown their freaking brains out.

What you gonna tell them? Wait a minute, please get close enough where I can get a good aim with this here baseball bat.

Violence is out of control in places it did not used to be. I have known several in our neighborhood whose homes have been broken into around Christmas time. They were just lucky not to be at home. And believe me, they have guns and would have been judge and jury real quick. It's their life or the the thieves.

It just hasn't happened to you. This isn't the same world I grew up in where we left our doors unlocked more times than not. I do live in a neighborhood where I would hope might be safer but that's exactly where all the low lifes come to...like I said they're not going to the poor neighborhoods. To steal what?
Bennett and Ralph Reed sitting in a tree.. B-E-T-T-I-N-G
Reed fought ban on betting
Anti-gambling bill was defeated


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/02/05

Ralph Reed, who has condemned gambling as a cancer on the American body politic, quietly worked five years ago to kill a proposed ban on Internet wagering — on behalf of a company in the online gambling industry.


Reed, now a Republican candidate for lieutenant governor of Georgia, helped defeat the congressional proposal despite its strong support among many Republicans and conservative religious groups. Among them: the national Christian Coalition organization, which Reed had left three years earlier to become a political and corporate consultant.


A spokesman for Reed said the political consultant fought the ban as a subcontractor to Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff's law firm. But he said Reed did not know the specific client that had hired Abramoff: eLottery Inc., a Connecticut-based company that wants to help state lotteries sell tickets online — an activity the gambling measure would have prohibited.


Reed declined to be interviewed for this article. His aides said he opposed the legislation because by exempting some types of online betting from the ban, it would have allowed online gambling to flourish. Proponents counter that even a partial ban would have been better than no restrictions at all.


Anti-gambling activists say they never knew that Reed, whom they once considered an ally, helped sink the proposal in the House of Representatives. Now some of them, who criticized other work Reed performed on behalf of Indian tribes that own casinos, say his efforts on eLottery's behalf undermine his image as a champion of public morality, which he cultivated as a leader of the religious conservative movement in the 1980s and '90s.


It flies in the face of the kinds of things the Christian Coalition supports, said the Rev. Cynthia Abrams, a United Methodist Church official in Washington who coordinates a group of gambling opponents who favored the measure. They support family values. Stopping gambling is a family concern, particularly Internet gambling.


Reed's involvement in the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 2000, never previously reported, comes to light as authorities in Washington scrutinize the lobbying activities of Abramoff, a longtime friend who now is the target of several federal investigations.


The eLottery episode echoes Reed's work against a lottery, video poker and casinos in Alabama, Louisiana and Texas: As a subcontractor to two law firms that employed Abramoff, Reed's anti-gambling efforts were funded by gambling interests trying to protect their business.


After his other work with Abramoff was revealed, Reed asserted that he was fighting the expansion of gambling, regardless of who was paying the bills. And he said that, at least in some cases, his fees came from the nongaming income of Abramoff's tribal clients, a point that mollified his political supporters who oppose gambling. With the eLottery work, however, Reed has not tried to draw such a distinction.


By working against the Internet measure, Reed played a part in defeating legislation that sought to control a segment of the gambling industry that went on to experience prodigious growth.


Since 2001, the year after the proposed ban failed, annual revenue for online gambling companies has increased from about $3.1 billion worldwide to an estimated $11.9 billion this year, according to Christiansen Capital Advisers, a New York firm that analyzes market data for the gambling industry.


Through a spokesman, Abramoff declined to comment last week on his work with Reed for eLottery.


Federal records show eLottery spent $1.15 million to fight the anti-gambling measure during 2000. Of that, $720,000 went to Abramoff's law firm at the time, Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds of Washington. According to documents filed with the secretary of the U.S. Senate, Preston Gates represented no other client on the legislation.


Reed's job, according to his campaign manager, Jared Thomas, was to produce a small run of direct mail and other small media efforts to galvanize religious conservatives against the 2000 measure. Aides declined to provide reporters with examples of Reed's work. Nor would Thomas disclose Reed's fees.


Since his days with the Christian Coalition, Reed consistently has identified himself as a gambling opponent. Speaking at a National Press Club luncheon in Washington in 1996, for instance, Reed called gambling a cancer and a scourge that was responsible for orphaning children ... [and] turning wives into widows.


But when the online gambling legislation came before Congress in 2000, Reed took no public position on the measure, aides say.


In 2004, Reed told the National Journal, a publication that covers Washington politics, that his policy was to turn down work paid for by casinos. In that interview, he did not address working for other gambling interests.


Some anti-gambling activists reject Reed's contention that he didn't know his work against the measure benefited a company that could profit from online gambling.


It slips over being disingenuous, said the Rev. Tom Grey, executive director of the National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling, who worked for the gambling ban. Jack Abramoff was known as 'Casino Jack' at the time. If Jack's doling out tickets to this feeding trough, for Ralph to say he didn't know — I don't believe that.


A well-kept secret


When U.S. Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) first introduced the Internet gambling ban, in 1997, he named among its backers the executive director of the Christian Coalition: Ralph Reed.


In remarks published in the Congressional Record, Goodlatte said, This legislation is supported ... across the spectrum, from Ralph Reed to Ralph Nader.


But Reed's role in the ban's failure three years later was a well-kept secret, even from Goodlatte. That's in part because Reed's Duluth-based Century Strategies — a public affairs firm that avoids direct contact with members of Congress — is not subject to federal lobbying laws that would otherwise require the company to disclose its activities.


We were not aware that Reed was working against our bill, Kathryn Rexrode, a spokeswoman for Goodlatte, said last week.


Several large conservative religious organizations, with which Reed often had been aligned before leaving the Christian Coalition in 1997, joined together to support the legislation. Those groups included the Southern Baptist Convention, the United Methodist Church, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council — and the Christian Coalition.


In addition, four prominent evangelical leaders signed a letter in May 2000 urging Congress to pass the legislation: James Dobson of Focus on the Family; Pat Robertson of the Christian Coalition; Jerry Falwell, formerly of the Moral Majority; and Charles Donovan of the Family Research Council.


Among the other supporters: the National Association of Attorneys General, Major League Baseball and the National Association of Convenience Stores, whose members are among the largest lottery ticket sellers.


Opponents, in addition to eLottery and other gambling interests, included the Clinton administration, which argued that existing federal laws were sufficient to combat the problem. In a policy statement, the administration predicted the measure would open a floodgate for other forms of illegal gambling.


To increase the measure's chances of passage, its sponsors had added provisions that would have allowed several kinds of online gambling — including horse and dog racing and jai alai — to remain legal.


Thomas, Reed's campaign manager, said in a statement last week that those exceptions amounted to an expansion of online gambling: Under the bill, a minor with access to a computer could have bet on horses and gambled at a casino online.


Thomas' statement claimed that the Southern Baptists and the Christian Coalition opposed the legislation for the same reason as Reed.


Actually, the Southern Baptist Convention lent its name to the group of religious organizations that backed the legislation. But as the measure progressed, the convention became uncomfortable with the exceptions and quietly spread the word that it was neutral, a spokesman said last week.


As for the Christian Coalition, it argued against the exceptions before the vote. But it issued an action alert two days after the ban's defeat, urging its members to call Congress and demand the legislation be reconsidered and passed.


In fact, the letter signed by the four evangelical leaders indicated a bargain had been reached with the Christian Coalition and other religious groups. In exchange for accepting minor exemptions for pari-mutuel wagering, the evangelicals got what they wanted most — a ban on lottery ticket sales over the Internet. Other anti-gambling activists say the exceptions disappointed them But they accepted the measure as an incremental approach to reining in online gambling.


We all recognized it wasn't perfect, Abrams, the Methodist official, said last week. We decided we weren't going to let the best be the enemy of the good.


Any little thing, she said in an earlier interview, would have been a victory.


Plans to expand


Founded in 1993, eLottery has provided online services to state lotteries in Idaho, Indiana and Maryland and to the national lottery in Jamaica, according to its Web site. It had plans to expand its business by facilitating online ticket sales, effectively turning every home computer with an Internet connection into a lottery terminal.


The president of eLottery's parent company, Edwin McGuinn, did not respond to recent requests for an interview. Earlier this year, he told The Washington Post that by banning online lottery ticket sales, the 2000 legislation would have put eLottery out of business. We wouldn't have been able to operate, the Post quoted McGuinn as saying.


Even with Abramoff and other lobbyists arguing against the measure, and Reed generating grass-roots opposition to it, a solid majority of House members voted for the measure in July 2000.


But that wasn't enough. House rules required a two-thirds majority for expedited passage, so the legislation died.


In addition to hiring Abramoff's firm to lobby for the measure's defeat, eLottery paid $25,000 toward a golfing trip to Scotland that Abramoff arranged for Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) — then the House majority whip, later the majority leader — several weeks before the gambling measure came up for a vote, according to the Post. Another $25,000 for the trip came from the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, an Abramoff client with casino interests, the Post reported. The trip, which is under review by the House Ethics Committee, was not related to DeLay's indictment on a conspiracy charge last week.


The campaign against the Internet gambling ban was one of several successful enterprises in which Abramoff and Reed worked together.


The Choctaws paid for Reed's work in 1999 and 2000 to defeat a lottery and video poker legislation in Alabama. In 2001 and 2002, another Abramoff client that operates a casino, the Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana, put up the money for Reed's efforts in Louisiana and Texas to eliminate competition from other tribes. Reed was paid about $4 million for that work.


Abramoff, once one of Washington's most influential lobbyists, now is under federal indictment in a Florida fraud case and is facing investigations by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee and the Justice Department into whether he defrauded Indian tribes he represented, including those that paid Reed's fees. Reed has not been accused of wrongdoing.


Reed and Abramoff have been friends since the early 1980s. That's when Abramoff, as chairman of the national College Republicans organization, hired Reed to be his executive director. Later, Reed introduced Abramoff to the woman he married.


In an interview last month about his consulting business, Reed declined to elaborate on his personal and professional relationships with Abramoff. At one point, Reed was asked if Abramoff had hired him to work for clients other than Indian tribes.


Reed's answer: Not that I can recall.












 
 









 
Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/1005/02reed.html
 


I have no doubt at all that Republicans would have defended the sitting President.
You are way out of touch with the Democrats, but I guess that's because you are a leftist.  That does not surprise me.
NO dream world here, Bush is one step better than Al Qaeda
He and Cheney are crooks. AL Qaeda are the bad guys but guess what, they aren't in Iraq? We were tricked into supporting a bogus self centered war for bush and cheney to make MONEY.

Democrats See Dream of ག Victory Taking Form ...see link
see link
or how to kiss butt really well
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Working your butt off
Is never having a day off because during the week you MT part time and take classes AND teach youth group and then you have a second account on the weekend.

I'd love to have kids but I'm not going to right now BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT and I don't expect anyone else to pay for them! It's called being RESPONSIBLE.

Think before you speak.
Republicans, my butt!
That's what we call a RINO.  I endorse neither of them.  Both of their wives are mega-libs, & they're no different.  Genuine Republicans don't want them in our party, either. 
If she had tightened her butt up any more, she
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He only did this to save his own butt.
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Mixed butt? ...(sm)

That was just pitiful.


O'Reilly is a SELF-PROCLAIMED traditionalist, not an independent.  Look it up.


Yea, right....transparency my butt!!

WH refuses to hand over the visitor list.....  after all, didn't he say he was going to be MORE transparent than other administrations?  Bull!! That man told so many lies on his campaign trail....   


Considering I pay for that big 'ol house he lives in, and he preached transparency, then why not hand over the visitor list.  Actually, the U.S. citizens are supposed to have it given to us without asking.  And for those of you who will once again find excuses for this man.... NO, he does not have a reason not to, except as usual he has been seeing people he shouldn't be around and people that no doubt would expose him for what he is...  


Yup. The Old Dude got his butt kicked.
maybe he was looking around for someone to rescue him.
The eye-rolling was a little much, as well. Somehow I can't see that affect going over real well when talking to heads of state worldwide.
if you don't want to answer my question, would you please BUTT OFF
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slap my butt and call me
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I work my butt off and don't want handouts -
Voting for Obama does not mean I want anyone to give me anything. I have never asked for anything and don't intend to start taking anything.
You can quit kissing butt now
we get the point.

Geez.
Oh yes I have kissed Sam's butt all the time
How about further down where I defended Gourdpainter? I blindly follow no one, and GP and I have agreed and disagreed on a lot.

I'm not the one who views my candidate as the messiah and his supporters as the angels.
Nobody asked you to butt out of the conversation.
You are being asked to respect the SEPARATION between the politics board and the faith board. If all you have to offer is religious in nature, your post does not belong here.

This breaking news just in....religion and politics are only as "intricately intertwined" as the secular among us allow it to be. There seems to be a consensus in America as there is in other western nations that the two do not mix well and certainly are not conducive to democratic process. I am neither atheist, agnostic or Christian, but I do consider myself to be a spiritual person of Universalist faith. I count myself among the secular citizens who will fight tooth and nail to keep religion out of politics and out of the government. There is a place for it in our society and in our lives...churches, synagogues, mosques, temples our homes and in our psyches. Why is that not enough for the theocrats? This constant push to pervade is a REAL LIVE BUMMER. Cease and desist, won't you?
Get your head out of O's butt and pay attention!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29042139/
Don't mean to butt in but the above message you posted is

exactly what IMHO is talking about. I've seen plenty of your nasty messages and after this one (which is one of your calmest messages), I haven't opened or read your messages for over a week or so.


Name-calling and nastiness is not allowed on this board. If you can't adhere to the rules, you need to leave or at least at mature.


JMHO


I consider him a traitor and just out to save his own butt

He figures he can win on the Dem ticket because PA has turned Dem. Well, I have news for him.....I doubt it. He only won by a couple votes in the last election because of Pat Toomey running against him. He will definitely lose this election.


I always split my ticket and I usually voted for him, but no more. I don't care what party anyone is affiliated with; but, to me, he is a traitor and that's someone else who is not needed in the Senate.


To those who vote straight party, open your eyes. They are only out for themselves (but is that really news to anyone?)


As posters have said before, we have to educate the people who don't watch/investigate/read up on the candidates running to make sure we vote the best candidates for the job...those who value the constitution, listen to their constituents (which is hard), and vote for the good of the country. Get rid of the a-holes who are in there. We really need to clean house this coming election.,