Here's the deal. This kind of rhetoric is exactly
Posted By: what failed to resonate with voters...sm on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: We understand this very well - Kaydie
and does absolutely nothing to advance the cause of your broken down party and the dirth of leadership you are currently experiencing. This kind of disconnect between your party and the rest of us is exactly what you should be spending your time trying to come to terms with.
Being a democrat, it is fine with me if you persist along these lines, since it would serve to ensure similar election results next time around, but for your own sakes, you guys really do need to GET A GRIP.
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rhetoric rhetoric - just tell people what they want to hear, it worked in 2000 and 2004 right?
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Rhetoric?
I don't know what posts you have been reading, friend Lurker, with the anything to do with hatred, loving terrorists, etc., are directed at the post containing just that thing. One poster who shall remain nameless stated emphatically that investigating Bush took precedence over terrorism. To me, that is a statement supporting terrorism, and while maybe not idiotic, does not seem to me to be a very smart thing to say, considering Amadinejad stated this morning he wanted the next group of Al Qaeda leaders to come from Iran and that he was sending the US a message soon. And then this afternoon, we find out that the nuclear watchdog group found plutonium in the nuclear waste at the Iranian nuclear plant. But your liberal friend who proudly calls herself so wants to investigate Bush rather than concentrate on terrorism. That would be laughable if it were not that a great number of liberals are in full agreement with her. Which is concerning to say the least. Several who post the liberal board and on the conservative board who clearly identify themselves as liberals do hate democracy (evident in their posts), make frequent statements in support of terrorism (taking attention off them is supporting them), spout socialist policies (why they are called socialists)...if you don't fall into any of those categories, should be no big deal to you. You are including yourself in the group saying we. Liberals come to the conservative board too. Conservatives are not the only ones who cross over boards.
Rhetoric
Per Onelook:
▸ noun: study of the technique and rules for using language effectively (especially in public speaking) (hmmm...yep)
▸ noun: using language effectively to please or persuade (okay, I get it)
▸ noun: high flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation (ohh, for sure!)
▸ noun: loud and confused and empty talk (that's the nuts and bolts of it)
As far as rhetoric is concerned, I would say O has it mastered.
Palin was speaking the truth, plain and simple, and she has the record to prove it. Get over it. If you are so embarrased, go live somewhere else.
Where is all of "O's" big bipartisan rhetoric now?
Obviously that is all it was....rhetoric. Preached we had to work across the aisle...bipartisanship...to get things done. And now, with the biggest crisis this country has faced in decades, and he has a chance to put his money where his mouth is...what does he do? Decides what is best for Barack, and that is the tack he takes. ANY credibility he had left with me is gone.
Admit what? Your rhetoric?
BTW, brush your teeth - your breathe stinks - I know where your head has been.
This pub party rhetoric is at least 50 years old.
applies to the 21st century please?
Guess not. 50-year-old rhetoric
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Bitter self-serving rhetoric?
I have absolutely no personal ties whatsoever to the middle east, so exactly why would I be bitter, and what would I have to gain? Your statement makes no sense. The main benefit of actually recognizing the history of the region (as opposed to the Israeli version of the *truth*) would be for better political relations with the middle east. Have you noticed that the rest of the world sees what's going on? Why do you think there is so much resentment in the middle east for the US? Israel (or rather our empowering of it and it's abuse of that power) is one of the main problems over there.
Why would I care about your opinion? I don't. There are very few people's opinions that I actually value on this board. Those would be the ones who can actually discuss a subject with reasonable viewpoints, and guess what? Most of them disagree with me on most everything. LOL
I'm simply trying to get you to stay on the subject, which is obviously a lost cause.
Your rhetoric was meaningless months ago...
and it is just as meaningless today. I supported Obama then, and I support him now, as do all of the people who voted for him. It must be miserable to live with such hate in your heart. I would pity you, but it seems that you are doing a pretty good job of that on your own.
No difference. Fact is that primary rhetoric
whenever you try depict rhetoric reversals as LIES, the challenge of your own candidates reversals will be waiting for you. Lame game and pointless.
Yes Sam, Biden is running with O. JB is a 35-year veteran in the Senate and if he felt O was not prepared for office, why then is is willing to place himself on the same ticket? JB knows what he is doing. There is no stronger statement of support than that. No brownie points for you on that one.
Day by day, we will be seeing dems, pubs and indies surface from Alaska who have bones to pick with SP. Wonder why that is? You can try to discredit and dismiss them to your heart's content, but you cannot ignore the fact that the public is never that forgiving and these types of testimonials will have impact on voter confidence. Funny how the verifiable facts that are a matter of public record included in Kilkenny's comments seem to have completely escaped your notice. Those facts will stand for what they are...challenges to the claims that she and the party are making about her fiscal responsibility and evidence of her tendency to want to run the show, run over anybody who gets in her way and take revenge on those would would oppose her. Not such a breath of fresh air after all, and looking a bit on the hypocritical side...a trait that some people associate with dishonesty. So yeah, whose lies and whose truths are not for you or I to decide. We have no choice here except to do our homework, put our views out there and leave it up to the voters to decide.
Actually, nasty, tacky, low-class rhetoric is exactly that,
You seem mighty sure of yourself while you presume to speak for a complete stranger.
I would think with all your anti-semetic rhetoric that you would be a big fan of Hitler's!
Oh the hypocrasy!
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No, work for a living, and have heard all the liberal rhetoric before.
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Bush just casually reverses 5 years of rhetoric. sm
How many more lies before everyone wakes up?
Editorial Toledo Blade: Another lie on Iraq
WHEN President Bush declared last week that nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a large segment of the American public must have been very surprised.
They would be the die-hard supporters of the war in Iraq, the one-quarter to one-third of Americans who, according to opinion polls, believe to this day that Saddam was somehow involved in 9/11.
No one likes to think that their President is lying, but for Mr. Bush to casually reverse five years of rhetoric is like Bill Clinton claiming I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
No, there is no DNA evidence that we know of to indict Mr. Bush for perjury. But the public record includes repeated statements by the President, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and other administration officials that linked responsibility for the 9/11 attacks to Iraq, both directly and indirectly.
The alleged connection was the administration's strongest selling point for the war, slaking the American people's thirst for revenge for the 2001 attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C.
As Mr. Bush put it on Oct. 7, 2002, We know that Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy - the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade.
We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases.
Here he is again, in his 2003 State of the Union address: And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda.
And in his Mission Accomplished photo op, May 1, 2003: In the war on terror, Iraq is now the central front.
Mr. Cheney was even more specific: In 2003, the vice president claimed that the government was learning more and more about links, before 9/11, between Iraq and al-Qaeda. This came even after the CIA had debunked any such claims. In 2004, the veep said flatly that Saddam had long-established ties with al-Qaeda.
Now, you can argue all day about whether faulty U.S. intelligence misled Mr. Bush, or about what the meaning of suggested is, but this much is clear: The administration relentlessly blurred what was a clear distinction between the militantly secular regime of Saddam and Islamic extremists like the 9/11 hijackers so as to create a laser-beam connection in the public mind that they were one and the same.
So for Mr. Bush to now claim that nobody has ever suggested that the Sept. 11 attacks were ordered by Iraq, as he did last week, is yet another lie in the chain of mendacity that shackles the Bush presidency.
Bush starts changing his tune/rhetoric.....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061112/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
I understand the moral stance, but feel the rhetoric is over-the-top.....sm
This man is NOT pro-abortion, as many of us are not. He is preserving the right of choice for ALL women, and does not believe that a poor woman who has undergone a rape, incest, domestic violince/intimidation situation, or even has just accidentally gotten pregnant with a child she cannot carry for medical, emotional, or financial reasons....I hate abortion also, but if Americans are to be equal, then a poor woman needs to have resources available to her which would be available to others, or you are damning her to the back-alley abortionists. That is reality. I, Myself, married 18 years, vigilantly spacing my children and on birth control, came up with an unexpected, very difficult pregnancy. Yes, we made the choice to love and take this baby into the world, but we also had SOME resources and family, some girls do not.
There are not many folk who are PRO ABORTION, but preserving the individual choice, though abhorrent to many of us, is part of true liberty. And God Himself will judge as appropriate.
And I do feel that those few who use abortion as a means of birth control, well there should be restrictions and a definite "no."
You're a good little communist/socialist/marxist in your rhetoric..nm
Translation: I watch a lot of Fox News and stick strictly to party rhetoric.nm
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The deal is
just like the war, embryonic stell research has been so politicized that any kind of logical even-minded interpretation has flown right out the window.
I think it is a very big deal -
I don't think it would be a very big deal at all if she were the one paying for it and not the RNC - I don't think that clothes and makeup and haircuts is where most people think their donations are going when they donate their money...
and I don't think it sends a very good message at this time when people are trying to figure out how to buy gas and food and pay their utilities that they are paying $150,000 a month for clothes for her to wear..
and they will be donated to charitable causes? Give me a break!
Here's the deal...sm
1. What makes it so profitable for foreign oil companies is the tax cuts provided to them by our government. I won't even bother arguing who did that as its pretty obvious.
2. The US Department of Energy last time I checked was a page or two before the "funnies."
3. Within the same time (or probably less) that we could drill for more oil here in the US (which wouldn't even come close to producing the quantity we use, and would not stand a chance on the market due to taxes that are already in place) we could implement other sources of energy. In the course of this we would be providing renewable energy, decrease the horrific environmental impact on the environment, and create new jobs.
I also think this was a done deal
before the DNC. Remember how pelosi said SHE would take care of it (meaning the nominee) before the DNC? I had the feeling when HC conceded, it was because she was made a sweet deal by somebody.
OK, hon, this is the deal.
Hitler was an anti-Semite, granted. Using his Holocaust against the Jews as a historical parallel to illustrate the Palestinian Holocaust is not.
I do not wish to waste my time beating this dead horse with you, especially since your entire argument is founded on a false premise (a kind reference to what, in fact, is a filthy lie that seeks to dehumanize and trivialize genocidal slaughter). As long as you dismiss the occupation and "myth" and try to present a case that rewrites a distorted and warped history by assuming an exclusionary myopic perspective based on such an outrage (occupation denial), nothing you have to say holds any credibility and merits no further consideration or comment.
As long as the Israel perpetuates its own myth-based myth and believes it can justify state-sponsored terrorist apartheid occupation, it will doom itself to living in a parallel universe as a hated global pariah and its population will never see a moment of real peace or security.
that was quite a deal, eh? sm
Being conservative and pro-life (and never having given birth to boot), "freedom of speech" is something I want to see more often--certainly more than "racist!" Talk about an over-played, lame-@ss word, ya know?
My only take on it is that, like Savage says, "I leave vengeance to God." But you certainly have every right to say whatever you want, and I'm glad you said it without apology.
What really ticked me off was when Greg Jarrett on Fox used the term for pro-lifers as "extremists." Excuse me? I have every right to be pro-life and hold anyone I elect to that same mindset. So that makes me an extremist? It escapes me if I'm also considered a religious extremist.
That frosts me far more than about any of the lame remarks like GJs, etc.
Here's the deal about prejudice. sm
Prejudice is prejudice. I don't differentiate prejudice against overweight people any differently than I do prejudice for race. The left seems to be able to do that with no problem. Why, you would think they are all slender and well groomed. However, the presence in their midst of people like Ted Kennedy, Jerry Nadler, Barney Franks, Linda Ronstadt, etc., etc., would prove differently.
it's politics. deal with it.
Wow, that sure got your panties all in a wad, now didn't it.
Wonder why ?
Gotta deal
It is time for her to put on her big girl panties and face 'em head on. Politicians get bashed. They get bashed before they are elected and after they are elected. If she can't deal with them now, how the heck is she going to do it as the VP or possibly the Pres?
I think she can handle herself, but who knows if we will ever find out.
I think the debate is a big deal
One of these guys is going to be elected president in the next 41 days. I want to hear them debate. This crisis is not going to get worse because a few hours are spent on a debate.
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The reason it has become a big deal . . .
this is a woman who is almost single handedly dividing this country into pro-American and anti-American. (Can you say McCarthyism?)She who claims to be so patriotic and pro-America. If she is so gosh-darned American, than why isn't she buying her clothes at Wal-Mart? Can't get much more American than that! She actually sees herself as some sort of grand presevationist of the great American ideal -- bullhockey!. She is nothing but a power-crazed, hypocritical megalomaniac. She gives us legitimate women a bad name and I am ashamed to share gender with her!
Sorry you have to deal with so many cooks
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They sure won't be able to deal with it if he loses.
A $2M victory party already. If he loses what will he do? Many news casters both left and right say he should not be so bold to think he already has won. Nov 4th has not arrived yet. I'm hearing more and more democrats are voting for McCain. Polls are neck in neck (even though they don't mean squat), but they are all over the place. And we do have to factor in the 11% who are undecided. And factor in the people who are too afraid to publicly state they are not for Obama, yet when election time comes they feel more comfortable having someone in who has experience and knows what they are doing. So what's going to happen if they do lose. It IS a possibility after all. Even Michelle Obama at a rally said do not listen to the polls it is a close race.
I don't think for one second that there will be riots. I think that is a scare tactic being used by Obama supporters to put fear in Americans. "Vote for Obama or we'll riot". Pulleese. I know that if Obama wins there are a lot on the other side who will say the same. Illegal elections, votes stolen, it goes both ways.
So, I just sit back, hope the next 9 days go by fast and will wait until late 11/4 or 11/5 if it takes that long to see who won.
If Obama wins I will come back on the board and say "congratulations" but if he loses I will say "I told you so". It's at the time when people get too cockie that things don't work out the way they hope them to.
Of course you don't understand the big deal.
You could have written the scripts. A lot of it is identical to what you post on this forum.
Was a deal made??? probably. sm
And no matter what deal was made or how or by who, bottom line is that the American people are going to get the brown end of the stick....AGAIN.
I have an awesome deal right now too (sm)
My husband is a firefighter so we have insurance through the city (BC/BS). That's a relief all by itself! However, the city has gone one step further for its employees. They provide FOR FREE a clinic where you can go for the small stuff (cuts, colds, UTIs, etc). They also provide city employees with FREE medicine so long as they carry it. It has to be generic, but it's such a huge help. What this service provides us: For me: lipid-lowering agent, happy pills, sleeping pills, and PPI. For my husband: Blood pressure medication and PPI.
They did this because it is actually cheaper for them in the long run to provide this service to their employees with health maintenance drugs, thereby reducing the added cost to the insurance from people not being able to afford this medication and ending up in the hospital which in the long run increases the cost of insurance. I just hope they can continue to do this.
Geesh what is your deal?
I am laughing at this! Out of all the nasty, mean, down right horrible posts on this board, you pick this one to get your panties in a wad about? I dont get it? Abc posted that she could kill her baby in her tummy which is here opinion but what about that? why not be upset over that? is that cuz you agree with abortion and that is okay? you're like on a witch hunt or something.
The only ones making a big deal are
the liberals trying to argue that everyone is prejudice against him and a racist. Conservatives and independents could care less. Conservatives and independents try to argue about issues. The liberals (most but not all) are the ones who turn it into a race issue.
We all know he's half white/half black and I think the one making the biggest deal out of him being the first black is he himself.
big flippin deal
Desperately grasping at straws to stir up some kind of controversy.
no, here is the deal, the question was
did he give her a chance to answer the question or not? Yes he did. And since she did not, he looked it up for himself and gave us the the answer on tonight's show. She said her way of defending Sarah was by calling Bill-O a sexist during the campaign. SAY WHAT, how is that defending anyone?
Yes, I truly think we will get a worse deal...
...with universal healthcare than we have now. If you want to screw something up royally, give it to the gummint to run.
Good lord! Look at Canada or the UK, who have socialized medicine. You go into a Canadian clinic. It's a walk-in system. They don't make appointments. You take a number, which is 51. Number fifty is called. Then it's quitting time. You get sent home to come back another day and try your luck again. Need an MRI? Take a number. We'lll call you in 4-6 months - or you could go to the US for it. Need bypass surgery? We'll see about that.
It will become a triage system: You, sir, are 60 years old and overweight. Your cholesterol is too high. Why should we waste our precious resources on you when younger and more viable specimens are stacking up outside? No, you may not have an angioplasty - at least not this decade. NEXT!
Socialized medicine is a pretty good deal if you're young and don't need a lot of services - not so very good when you reach an age when you actually do need them.
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what is the deal with the mob mentality...
is this gang up on old men day? And I say this with the utmost respect because I, for one, really like old men! Do you people have so little to say to actually bolster you stance on issues that all you can do to feel better is pick on one particular poster? Well, here you go--pick on me, too, if it will make you feel better about yourselves. I can, as I am sure TechSupport can, take it.
I just got my Dell, what a deal that was!
I have had Dells in the past, would have gone with them last year but I knew they had Vista, could not use with my platform and just recently learned you could still, for a price, have XP put on. Back to my story. Had always had really good machines from there, had put up with the language before, not as bad in years past like now. I got passed from pillar to post and back again ordering. I spoke with 1 person, completely unable to talk with them and told them I have to listen to different dialects each day in my job, not when I am ordering and told them wanted to speak to someone I can understand. I am older and dont have time to play around. I placed order, delivery delayed and delayed and delayed. I thought it would never get here. Another delay and I was cancelling my order and it just showed up 1 day. I hope to get really good service, not from them because that just does not happen now, but from the machine itself. That was a chore to have to go through that and should never be that way. I was told about the delay that Dell could not get the parts needed for the computer??
No big deal. Everyone makes mistakes.
It's easy to do on this board sometimes. 
I don't think the phone call to CBS was a big deal....sm
This call has nothing to do with politics but more of a favor to a friend. He used his influence to help a friend out. Looks like CBS owed him the money anyway. Friends help each other out this way all the time, no harm done IMHO.
Travelgate is a different story. Firing the people for not reason to appoint friends is cronyism.
Obama is the real deal! lol
I've watched every debate in the primaries and in the champaign, every interview on CNN, watched the interview after interview and heard from so many polical analysts most than I ever have in my life about an election this year. I have always been a Rep from the day I was born 46 years ago, but this is the first time in my life I am voting Dem for Obama. There is no question he is going to make more of a difference, and just maybe, our jobs could be saved and not outsourced by his tax break to companies who DO NOT outsource! Obama 08! =)
Yeah, and why do none of you make a big deal re:
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Well I really didn't think it was a huge deal
and you are the only person who freaked out about it. Give it a rest!
$300 for health insurance is a deal.
cost $1,000 or more a month?
Health insurance premiums, plus their refusal to insure people with preexisting conditions, are becoming prohibitive costwise for many (millions of Americans) to afford.
Though the example you gave may be true for some younger folks, I believe that's the exception and not the rule.
There is a huge crisis in healthcare in this country today. Good for you that you can afford it and just blame everyone else who can't. Maybe someday soon you'll be in the same boat with the 50-odd million Americans who simply can't afford it. Who will you blame then?
They are not! They are factual. A great deal of research, actually
going and talking to people who were THERE over the years when Obama was growing up, a teen, a young adult, and adult. This is not speculation folks, this is downright brass tacks in person research. Don't be fooled. And, to the person below who posted that you have no problem with Muslims, then you need to reprioritize and realize that while there is a small portion of Islamic people who do no wish harm on Americans, most of them do. They were raised up to do precisely that.
Learned how to deal with the frustrations of politics
I am so much calmer now these days since I learned how to deal with the frustrating day to day news of politics. My solution - I now watch HBO, The Food Channel, BBC, Travel Channel, and any other channel that is not news related. If I want news I will look at Drudge. TV is just too overwhelming for me and all these so called "experts" commenting on the politics.
So...you shouldn't be seeing any more stupid irate comments from me anymore. I'll now just be a couch potato learning how to cook different foods and planning my vacation to all these far away places on the travel channel. Oh yes, I forgot...while I speak in a british accent because I watch so much BBC. HA HA 
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