He stated they have already identified....
Posted By: sm on 2009-02-26
In Reply to: Oh please! - sm
numerous projects and programs that are outdated or do not work, which he will be eliminating, that will save us 2 trillion dollars........I believe he will cut our deficit. That savings right there more than pays for the current stimulus bill. 
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Not the poster who identified as Republican, but
since he/she has not yet been back to answer, I would like to put my 2 cents in.
Border issues: I can find nothing here to disagree with you about. 9/11 was a huge wake-up call regarding the insecurity of this country, and it is just beyond me why addressing our completely porous borders has not been placed much higher on the priority list. Actually, that's not completely true, I do understand why, and I find it very disappointing. Both parties are so busy courting the Hispanic vote that they would rather endanger this nation's security than risk the loss of those votes.
As far as the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, I'm not certain that's been demonstrated, but assuming it is true, I think we probably differ greatly in our assessments of causes for that poverty and ways to fix it. The ideal should never be to bring the rich down to the level of the poor but to elevate the poor towards the level of the rich. Typical government-run programs aimed at assisting the poor unfortunately seem to have the opposite effect. The rich are taxed (and unfortunately, many small business owners fall into that rich category), the poor are given only a portion of that money thanks to ever-increasing administration costs as bureaucracy continues to add to its own layers, and the incentive to be self-reliant is diminished among those who are capable of work (I'm not talking about your sick Grandma, here - I have no problem helping support the truly disabled of the world, though I think the federal government has proven itself inept enough with handling money prudently to disqualify itself as an arbiter of financial aid).
The net effect of all this, IMHO, is limitation on business growth, particularly among smaller businesses less able to absorb taxation costs, and loss of business overseas among large corporations capable of relocating to any area with a more hospitable business climate (another area of personal disagreement with Bush here is NAFTA/CAFTA. When Ross was talking about that giant sucking sound, he was truly prescient). What this means to us is loss of jobs, which means loss of avenues for self-reliance. It also contributes to a culture of dependence; the development of a class of people raised in homes where no one worked, raised without such basic skills as reporting to a required workplace on time from day to day, knowing how to dress for an interview or job, knowing how to speak and present one's self in a business-appropriate manner, or even fully understanding that the expectation of society is that one will work in order to obtain food and housing for one's family.
On to energy - it's well and good to be upset that the price of oil continues to skyrocket while families are having difficulty paying for heat. I live in a huge old (120+ years) barn of a house, and I am actually pretty anxious about how I'm going to heat it this winter, so this is a topic close to home. I firmly believe that we in the US are going to have very little input in controlling oil prices so long as the vast majority of our supply comes from the Middle East. That is why I personally feel that it is urgent that we explore realistic and cost-effective methods for producing our own energy domestically, including drilling at ANWR and also including the use of nuclear power. Wind, solar, and water power are well and good for those areas with year-round abundance and the ability to produce large enough quantities to be cost-effective (those areas are pretty limited, as far as I know), but the need is now, and it should be addressed now with the technology available now to get us out of the back pockets of OPEC.
Iraq - I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but we have far from destroyed their entire country. May I suggest the following site for some additional news regarding conditions in Iraq: http://goodnewsfromthefront.com/archives/iraq/index.php
Of course, I cannot personally confirm every report on that site, any more than I can confirm anything from the MSM (for whom anyone who ever looks at the Conservative Board knows I have the deepest contempt), but I hope you will review it and do some research of your own to try to determine the truth of what is happening there. I've already addressed elsewhere tonight (on the conservative board) why I don't think Iraq was a waste of money, so I hope you'll understand if I don't repeat all that here. I will just say that I firmly believe that Islamic radicals constitute at least as great and possibly far greater danger to this country and its citizens than any hurricane, no matter how strong, and I think pulling out of Iraq at this point would be the height of folly. I agree with you that America must take priority, and I believe a premature pull-out in Iraq will increase the chaos there and the danger to us as a nation.
As far as financing the war - here are some random thoughts sure to inflame any truly liberal thinker, so I apologize in advance if I increase anybody's BP here. How about reducing the scope of federal government to its constitutional duties, as mandated in the Constitution? Think of the money that would save. While I'm not sure it's possible to return to the loosely affiliated republic envisioned by our forefathers, I do believe that much of the federal government's current activities are usurpations of state and local authority. I would include welfare, Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid in this category. It seems likely to me that turning over social responsibilities to local governments would increase accountability at the local level with cost savings and improved efficiency as a result. I would also consider doing away with federal subsidies to most businesses, including farms.
I've been wanting to say something for a while about a term I see bandied about here quite a lot - Neocon. I am not a neocon. A neoconservative, or new conservative, as I understand it is one who is conservative in matters of foreign affairs but tends to be socially liberal (prochoice, okay with deficit spending, not averse to increasing spending to provide for social programs). Bush is much more neoconservative than I am. As a more traditional conservative who tends to be distrustful of big government, I would like to see a 2008 Republican candidate who is a bit more traditionally right-wing (including having firm plans for decreasing the size of federal government) than GWB.
Thank you for this interesting and civil conversation. You've made some very interesting points that have forced me to do some self-examination about my opinions and why I hold them.
He has precisely identified the viable talking points.
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you stated this better than I could have.
I sickens me how the victims of this disaster are now being blamed and vilified by people on the conservative board!
My son (age 20) told me that he met some people last night who were speaking the same way - in essence, that it was the fault pf the citizens of New Orleans for not getting out in time, etc, that they deserved to not be rescued sooner, and that the government was not to blame at all.
And I'm sure those conservative posters on the other board probably consider themselves good Christians and not racist at all.
Meanwhile, it is apparent that our president could do (or not do) anything at all and they will blindly defend him...
I'm going to focus on the positive and not visit that board at all.
We have sent money to the Red Cross and all my children donated clothes to the Salvation Army. This morning our priest said that some evacuees may be relocating to our area, and our parish will welcome them! These are our brothers and sisters in Christ...
good night and peace to ya'll
As I stated above.......... sm
if this situation were to occur, and it does seem that it is with the advent of ASR, then our line rates would be lowered to those paid to Indian MTS, just as the UAW was offered what is paid to foreign auto workers. I could not survive on 0.05 cpl or less in our economy. I doubt anyone else could either.
I'm really sorry to hear about your hubby's situation. I know anyone in the housing industry is facing much the same situation. There is really not a lot of new house construction going on and there is no much call for a trim carpenter in most commercial building.
My opinion is to bring MT back inhouse and pay us a decent HOURLY salary. We deserve it as much as the next person.
he also stated that he
respects other people's beliefs that are different from his own and supports separation of church and state. I guess all we can learn from this issue is that Joe Biden will never personally have an abortion. Good job, Joe.
As stated above . . .
according to her a heterosexual relationship can be equated to a plastic cup and a turkey baster.
You stated
"My point is proven by your post. You stated that when Obama gets into office, for me to look around and see how many names I can pronounce.. "
This happened under Clinton before Bush. Can't pronounce half the names now. Guess I fell down on my research a bit as I didn't see anything about the "Muslim for Stowe, OH" appointed by Bush.
VERY well stated!! :-) thank you
this is just too awesome on SO many planes!!!
Very Very well Stated
Yes, the moral compasses do seem to change from day to day on here, you are right.
Thank you for this post. It is very well put.
Excuse me? JM has clearly stated his will be
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What would be a lie about verses stated
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I stated in my post that I had
posted that below. If you find it a waste of time, please feel free to ignore what I've said instead of being hateful.
Where is that stated, and what does nawnaw mean??
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Yes, that is what he stated, but it was not true....
hospitals were allowing babies to die. And that was his SECOND excuse when the first one about Roe v. wade didn't fly. Do you take EVERYthing he says at face value?
You mean 120,000, not 250,000 as stated on Fox news.nm
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I do believe that to as I stated in my message
But we have been told over and over that we have been lying about Obama, and these are not the two issues that keep coming up. We ask what lies are we being accused of telling so we can provide credible sources but nobody comes back with anything. Most likely because what we expressed as our fears and the sources we provided were truths.
But they are "credible" as you stated above. sm
yeah, right.
More accurately stated, this is
the disaffected, sour grapes poor-me's, hand-wringing over-wrought imaginary concept of O's plan, courtesty of the eve-of-destruction clan who does not have the courage to depict it accurately or conduct an informed pros-and-cons discussion since they are trying to promote their recently out-voted world view.
What is racist about what the OP stated?
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Bristol also stated that she would...
have preferred getting pregnant 10 years later, having finished her college education and having landed a job.
Sounds to me that she was prevented to make her choice.
Oh come on! She stated she was nervous.
at that age and up in front of an audience and national TV. Oh please!
Very well stated. LOL. I have always like Ollie North. nm
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What the original post stated
is that one of the issues that should be foremost on people's minds is why did we go to war with Iraq after 9/11 when Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? At the time the Bush administration linked Iraq to 9/11 as justification for going to war with them. He lied. He knew the people of this Country were vulnerable after 9/11 and he used that vulnerability. Look at what his lie has cost us. Not only should the people in this Country be outraged, they should be asking why.
John McCain supported this war, as did many others at the time. Barack Obama did not. He knew the facts, understood the situation and made the right choice, though it wasn't a popular one at the time. Why didn't John McCain?
Read Bob Woodward's books. He got his information directly from interviews with Bush and his admininstration. Remember the 9/11 Commission Report? These are not opinions - they are facts.
People are being diverted from the issues for a reason. John McCain doesn't want people to think about his lack of sound judgment at such a crucial time.
Your right - I should have stated it in my orginal post
Democrats won't stop spending. They tax us more while at the same time continue to spend.
My mom told me once, if you don't stop spending your not going to have anything for retirement or pay off your bills. I would think its the same way with government. If they keep taxing us more and more and more, why isn't the deficit going down? Every president that gets in promises us he will get the deficit down and have a balanced budget. Not one president (to include Bill Clinton) as done this. The deficit keeps growing and growing and the following president inherits it.
MSNBC just stated that the FEC is is going to audit (sm)
Barack Obama. Supposedly, he accepted donations from foreign nationals. Most of these donations were made over the internet and they are going to check into this.
FEC ordered O's compaign to provide more information about large sums of money coming into his campaign recently. Someone donated $11,000 to his campaign under the name of Good Will, and that he worked for YOU. Plus gave the address of Good Will Industries. When contacted, GWI stated they did not donate this money.
Another donation was supposedly by a liquor store in NY, but when contacted, they knew nothing about it.
Although they do not have to disclose small donations ($100-$250), Good Will donated the $11,000 in small increments thinking they would not be found out.
Could it be that the sh## is going to hit the fan soon...hopefully?
Biden stated 150K.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/31/obamas-tax-threshold-slips-again/
I am sure they will figure it out if O wins. I also heard it could go to 41,600K.
The last presidental speech with O and M, Obama stated 200K and not 250K. It came right out of his mouth.
That's okay, too. You just stated you wanted our reasons
why, so I stated mine. Won't let that happen again, though. From now on, I think I'll just read and not post. I didn't think my reasons would be dissected. I thought this was only a poll. Have a blessed day! 
Oh--as I've stated many times...
I back the war 150%. I think that taking down Hussein will be something that Bush will be commended for in times to come. We just happen to have a society that is so against fighting for anything, that we forget that fighting for other people's rights is important. Hussein killed many many people and I think that Bush did a great thing in getting rid of him, no matter the reasoning. If only it had been done sooner...
Some believe O stated 57 states meaning
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The fact that the aide stated it, NM
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News just stated they are now trying to determine
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I accused nobody of anything. I simply stated that
a triple digit IQ, i.e., intelligence quotient, as in intelligent leadership, would be good for the country for a change, the implication being we have not had that until now. If it speaks stupid, thinks stupid, looks stupid and acts stupid, chances are it is, well, stupid.
I do not spend any time on sites that speculate about widely varying IQ scores for either party's candidates, since that type of data can only produce subjective conclusions. I also do not pursue illogical arguments that in one breath give Obama's SAT/LSAT scores and in the next, accuse him of hiding that information. For me, SAT scores and IQ are 2 mutually exclusive concepts unless and until someone can produce a resource that can convince me otherwise.
I made a simple statement in response to Bushisms which any self-respecting American would find embarrassing and not worthy of the highest office in the land. That statement was construed as some sort of accusation in a reply from somebody who felt the need to defend Bush. I answered that by further discussion of Bush's stupidity, not his IQ. I was not focused on the number, rather the lack of intelligence.
Therefore, I feel no need to defend my position nor excuse myself for not conducting exhaustive research in defense of somebody else's ideas and number hang-ups.
I want smart leadership. Sue me.
Absolutely not! I stated below that I meant no
observation that not every one who receives help is unable to do some sort of work in return, and then their are those who could not possibly do anything, and those - like your son, who are doing all they can.
Really? just stated a fact. I, for one, don't read
any bashing or gloating into the OP's message. Just a fact. They seemed like they knew what they were doing, getting married, going to have a baby, and in a few short months, kaput! The love vanishes. Seems to me, you have more vitriole about this subject than does the OP. And, I guess your name is IMHO. Geesh.
Where did I state that? I simply stated
You've really got a bee in your bonnet today, don't you?
O stated he doesn't want to talk about it
Very short and snippy yesterday with the reporters who asked any questions about it. I don't think he wants to get involved.
A Link? As I stated, this was a quote
from a letter I received from the SSA. I don't know how to include a link to this. However, if you go to the SSA website, I believe you will find the info you are looking for: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10519.html
I agree. It was Sarah Palin who stated that...
Obama "is different than the rest of us." In Carson, California, there were hecklers in the crowd when SP was speaking, saying "off with his head, kill him" about Obama. SP didn't even stop those comments. She just kept on with her derogatory comments about Obama. That was inciting a riot.
Yeah, what's wrong with that - only stated what Obama
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Extremely well-stated post! I agree with you 100%
Most importantly, it was YOUR decision, along with your doctor. It was NOT the decision nor the business of anyone else.
Hats off to you!
and in 2006, he stated he would not run for president in 2008 (nm)
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Limbaugh stated today he was asked to do an op-ed for the whole situation. nm
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An earlier poster stated that about 76% of this nation is Christian
This, proportionately, means that 76% of what you see, read, watch, or are "bombarded with" is at least 76% done by Christians (feel free to make the Jew media comment, but they get their Commandments in the same place you do).
Therefore, it can be taken away that there are Christians who do not believe the same thing you do. Do you want to silence them, too?
Get it right...President-elect Barack Obama stated it
was people's choice if they chose to have an abortion. Nevertheless, you live in america and he is your president as well, just go ahead and face the fact. It does not matter whether you trust him or not, he is your president, RESPECT him as such!!!!!!!
Obama has opened his mouth and stated his opinion
about everything else during this transition, why so silent on Israel?
I stated 8 years ago that Bush' foreign "Policies"
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Sorry, JTBB, other countries use worse torture than what was stated here.
They starve, cut off fingers, hands, pull nails out, burn private parts, and decapitate prisoners in other countries. Why do you call other people with their comments "nimrods?"
If you want to torture to stop, why don't you go to those countries and fight against their torture? No...you'd rather call the American people nimrods. What is it with you? You used to have thoughtful posts, but now all you do is spew hate for Americans that do not support your views.
You are becoming anti-American IMHO and its sad that you could let the present government blind you to everything. You're either a socialist, facist, or a communist without announcing it up front. You have absolutely made me furious with your one-sided posts since the election. I try not to read them, but sometimes I do get a good laugh at your outrageous statements.
Nope....she just stated she was here to post issues for her fellow liberals...
(or he, whichever the case may be), and I just mentioned I had not seen any issues posted. Are YOU the posting police?
That's a good, fair article. Very well stated. Thanks for posting the link!....nm
My point of view was stated quite clearly. People on the left may be blinded....
Kind of sad, actually.
My point of view was stated quite clearly. People on the left may be blinded....
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