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He should shut up and not push policy or influence until he gets into office.

Posted By: sm on 2009-01-10
In Reply to: You cannot have it both ways. On one hand you...sm - oldtimer

He has truly undermined the current sitting president and has been disrespectful to that very office. That much is true.

I wasn't talking about two ways about anything. You must be talking about someone else.


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They have a lot of influence
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You go girl! Don't let anyone influence
you about your vote. You go ahead and vote your conscience and feel good about yourself! This election is too important for you not to vote at all. My mother lived and died and never voted because she felt she didn't have the right because she was a woman. Can you imagine? You go vote while we all still have that privilege!
Islamic influence in prisons is not a new
This has been going on for quite some time. Unfortunately, what is taught in prison isn't "mainstream" Islam, but a corruption of it that really amounts to nothing more than criminal enterprise cloaked in the guise of religious activity. As such, the hands of prison officials are basically tied when it comes to trying to stop it because they would be interfering with a prisoner's "religious freedoms".
Well.....look at it this way....if they don't push this bailout...
there are folks who know "where the bodies are buried." There is probably so much we DON'T know about all this...and yes, it is disgusting. Dodd and Frank, if they had an ounce of integrity, would apologize to the American people and resign. Pelosi, if SHE had an ounce of integrity, would demand it. So far John McCain is the ONLY one who has said someone should resign, and that was Christopher Cox, the Republican head of the SEC. He SHOULD resign. So should the treasury secretary, Paulson. Every member of that committee that voted back in 2006 to kill the bill McCain co-sponsored should resign. They should all be investigated criminally as well as far as I am concerned. I know the FBI is looking at Fannie/Freddie but talk about a day late and dollar short after Raines, Johnson, Howard, and Gorelick raped the American public for millions.

You're right. They should ALL have to go and start over.
Guess when push comes to
shove, () is not able to stand behind her convictions.... or whatever they are!!!
No bullying would be too easy........they have to push
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They stop trying to push YOUR beliefs on
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Death of Right-Wing Talk Radio Influence sm
The Death Of Right-Wing Talk Radio Relevance
By Steve Young

Twelve years of unmerited influence and half-truths swathed in red, white and blue patriotism met its demise this past Tuesday with a dagger to the heart served up by revelations from the Iraq Study Group substantiating that everything right wing talk radio had said was right about the Iraqi, was wrong.

Born the day Rush Limbaugh mid-wifed Newt Gingrich's Contract For (On) America, RWTRR lived a healthy and wealthy life duping a great portion of the America public into voting against their own best interests.

Right wing talk grew larger and louder over its lifetime, adding names like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Neal Boortz, Dennis Prager and many more imitators. They each spent three hours a day catchphrasing words and thoughts - no matter how rickety their evidence (if any) - that the mainstream media would give equal time and space along side the truth.

All of a sudden, the truth was only worth 50% of any issue.

Enabled by a gullible mainstream media hoping to hitch itself to the growing Lords of Loud audience, the Rove-inspired red-herrings were greased up even more by talk radio's band of Professor Harold Hills and shoved charmingly down America's throat. And, as with all great con men, these snake oil salesmen sold hole-cloth, betraying the public trust and making fistfuls of dollars doing it.

To be fair, they had to. It's was a Catch-22. If they had trusted their audience with the truth, they'd have no audience.

But November's election and the ISG report finally drained life-giving oxygen from a lying heart. Not only did the public begin to understand they were being duped, but even the FOBIJB (Friends of Bush including James Baker) could no longer ignore the tide. Of course there will continue to be FOBIL (Friends of Bush Including Lieberman), but they will sustain escalating losses, just as the LOL are losing audience in droves.

But the one-two punch of November's mid-terms compounded by the Iraq Study Group's revelations, knocked a terminal hole in any credibility right wing talk may have had left.

Limbaugh admitted he was shilling for Republicans who didn't deserve to be elected, then attempted to hush the death knell rung by the ISG by recasting it, oh so hysterically, as the Iraq Surrender Group. Get it? He changed one of the words. Second-rate comics who are dying on stage always go for the insipidly obvious and as with the comics, it never gets the audience back.

Hannity has gone off the deep end calling everyone else but himself wrong. He persists on telling liberal callers that we found WMD even though Bush doesn't seem to have gotten the same intelligence Sean has while Curt Weldon and Rick Santorum were voted out of office whipping the same dead horse.

Beck asks an American Congressman to prove he's not working for the enemy.

Prager believes the same Congressman holding his bible will bring down American civilization.

O'Reilly can't drum up many recruits to fight this year's War Against Christmas, and how many times can you hear look at me with out re-tasting last night's dinner?

And Savage...? Well, just Savage.

Oh, they'll keep some listeners, but they'll be talking to a choir who doesn't care that they're hearing to a bunch of cloutless charlatans who never had the guts to serve our country but have no problem sending other families into life-changing horror; fans who don't care their heros had it wrong, and had it wrong over and over. And when it came to the war...dead wrong.

Now any relevance these cascading Lords of Loud might once have had, if not dead, is on life support. And if there are some in the legitimate media who still choose to give these mongrels of misrepresentation any time, space or air, they do it at the risk of their own relevance.

Right-wing talk show relevance was never married but leaves behind soon-to-be-irrelevant offspring: Dick Morris, Bernie Goldberg, Tom DeLay, Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, David Limbaugh, Bill Kristol, Michelle Malkin, General Tommy Franks, Oliver North, James Dobson, Whitewater, Swift Boaters, Flip-flopping, Terri Schiavo, The buses, Outing covert agents as appropriate government behavior, WMD, Saddam's close relationship with bin Laden, If you're against the war your against the troops, If you're against the President's policies you're against America, Activist judges are making laws, Making progress, Tax relief benefitting the middle class, No child left behind is a success, Republican legislators appreciating veterans, Pharmaceutical companies writing drug bills will benefit the public, Stem cell research causes baby cloning, and Wars against Christmas

Memorial services will be continued, sadly, three hours a day. All donations should be made to Fox News.
No, if those who do not push for peace in the Middle East sm
establishing a democracy and fighting terrorists there rather than here, if those people are wrong, we will all suffer.  It is certainly much broader than that.  As far as why we don't just get in and kick butt and get out, well, there was a time when we would have.  Now, there are too many liberal watchdogs who on one hand say they support the troops and with the other cut their Achillles tendon.  Forced to fight a PC war, we can never win this.  That's my take on it.
Push for racial preference in stimulus bill
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=415970#
Here's a real nice conservative statement. How to make friends and influence people.

"Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested on-air Monday, Aug. 22, 2005, that American operatives assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."


 


SHUT UP
COULD YOU PLEASE LEAVE ME OUT OF IT, for pete freaking sake..I DO NOT POST ON YOUR CONSERVATIVE BOARD..I DO NOT AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, ASK THE ADMINISTRATOR TO CHECK ANY POST YOU QUESTION AND IT WILL NOT LEAD BACK TO MY IP ADDRESS..Whenever you need a punching post, you relate back to **gt said this, gt said that, well, gt this, gt that**..I HAVE NOT BEEN POSTING SINCE FRIDAY NIGHT..THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE FRIDAY EVENING THAT I HAVE CHECKED THIS BOARD..LEAVE ME OUT OF IT..GET A LIFE..I HAVE ONE AND AM TRYING TO LIVE IT AND NOT IMPLICATING ANY OF YOU CONSERVATIVES WHEN POSTS WITH NEW HANDLES APPEAR..I COULDNT CARE LESS IF ONE POST IS REALLY ANOTHER PERSON WHO USED TO POST UNDER ANOTHER HANDLE..FOR PETE SAKE..GET OVER ME!  It is obvious with your incessant attacks on my posts and even on me when I am not posting that you are quite threatened by me..Well, good..Maybe it will shut you conservatives up a bit and make you look at the real facts in America in 2005..and GET OFF THE LIBERAL BOARD.
Exactly. They'd like us all to shut up, sm
but it is not going to happen. Even the Bilderberg summit in Ottawa last week got some balanced coverage by MSM in Canada.
No, you just want her to shut up so you

insinuate that she must be a lousy worker.  You are being a bully. 


Maybe Sam is in between jobs.  Maybe she works 2 hours a day.  Maybe she is on vacation.  Maybe she types twice as fast as the rest of us.  Maybe she is the world's fastest Transcriptionist EVER. 


Maybe, too, she is a business owner, and that informs her politics.   


No matter.  She can post all she likes and you can argue all you like.  Back and forth until the cows come home.  It doesn't mean she never gets any work done.   I would venture to say with her drive and energy and passion, she gets a lot more done than most of us.  I would also bet that she does it really well. 


I most certainly will NOT shut up

while you and your kind try to undo the hard work of civil rights workers who sacrificed so much to end overt racism in my country.


 


Hey, Bush, et., shut up

Dang, these people are the own worse enemies, LOL..



September 8th, 2005 11:18 am
Bush family Katrina comments draw scrutiny



WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush is not the only member of his prominent political family to be drawing criticism for public utterances about Hurricane Katrina: His mother has raised eyebrows too.


In widely reported comments after visting evacuees at a Texas sports arena, former first lady Barbara Bush on Monday seemed to suggest a silver lining for the underprivileged forced from their flooded homes in New Orleans.


What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality, she said in a radio interview from the Astrodome in Houston, Texas.


And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this -- this is working very well for them, she said.


I think that the observation is based on someone or some people that were talking to her that were in need of a lot of assistance, people that have gone through a lot of trauma and been through a very difficult and trying time, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday.


And all of a sudden, they are now getting great help in the state of Texas from some of the shelters, he said.


Her son, the president, has faced criticism for saying on September 1 that no one anticipated that New Orleans' levees would break -- even though various federal and state agencies had warned of that scenario.


In his first tour of the devastated region, Bush also praised Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) chief Michael Brown, saying: Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.


Brown has become a lightning rod for criticism over Washington's sluggish response to Katrina, one of the worst natural disasters to hit the United States, and opposition Democrats have stepped up calls for Bush to fire him.


The president has also come under fire for paying tribute to ravaged New Orleans as a place he used to visit years ago to enjoy myself -- occasionally too much, an apparent reference to the days before he quit drinking.


In an effort to raise the spirits of the hundreds of thousands who have lost their homes, Bush promised to rebuild devastated areas better than they were before, but at one point focused on the home of a powerful lawmaker.


Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch, he said on a tour of the region Friday, drawing nervous laughter.


Some Republicans winced, including one disbelieving congressional aide who told AFP: Lott? He's focusing on Lott? Surrounded by poor people, he talks about a sitting senator?


There have also been echoes of the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, when Bush urged Americans to go shopping and live their lives as normally as possible.


In some of her first remarks after the hurricane, First Lady Laura Bush told Gulf Coast evacuees: It's very important to get your children in school. It gives children a sense of normalcy.


The White House later put together a plan to help students and school districts affected by the hurricane.


Barbara Bush had raised eyebrows two days before US troops invaded Iraq, when she told ABC television that she was not interested in media commentators' concerns about the war's potential human toll.


Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? she said. It's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?


Shut your mouth......Or Else
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158107
I told someone to shut up

because for some people....they just cannot seem to post anything worthwhile.  All they do is repeat the same stuff and call people names.  If you have nothing of value to bring to the table....please feel free to shut your trap as well.  I know what our country is facing and I stand by my decision of picking John McCain.  I believe him, what he stands for, and what he says.  I do not believe Obama.  If you differ in that opinion....that is your God given right.  But bring something to the table other than insults.


yea, I figured this would shut a few of them
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Why did O shut down Gitmo? Bet it is not
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Another ignorant celebrity. They should shut up
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Well, shut my mouth, something that we agree on!!! sm
The one thing I do believe is that our society is very puritanical when it comes to sex.  I personally don't care who lays pipe where as long as it does not interfere with the job at hand.  I could care less about his infidelity -- but I do take issue with someone who passes themselves off as some God-fearing family man who protests loudly about others cheating and who just chose to not even spend Father's Day with his 4 children.  And God knows, if he used taxpayer money to do it, he should be strung up.  The French (and most other "mature" nations) find our atitudes towards infidelity as something backwards, prudish and laughable -- not that I care what they think, but I do think they have a valid point.  What goes on behind closed doors is nobody's darn business!
What a surprise. You need to shut your TV off & open your mind.nm
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I'd be happy if he'd keep his trap shut until he becomes president
And NOT "most" people think he should be doing more. Just cus you and others seem to worship and love him NOT everyone else does and I'm sick of people saying that. He was put in office by one simple fact. The "committee" put him in. NOT the people. If the people were the "true" deciders we'd be seeing Hillary up there.

This isn't a "everyone is picking on him, dam3d if you do, dam3d if you don't" thing here. This is just plain wrong.

Come January 20th have at it. Get up and speak in front of the camera 24 hours/7 days a week for all I care. Right now he is NOT present and he is NOT co-president. Make all the decisions he wants to behind the scenes. He does not need to be giving press conferences talking about issues he should not be talking about until he takes office.

This is not complaining. This is voicing our utter distrust, disgust, and lack of faith in the guy. Bill Clinton was arrogant but compared to this guy???? Even Clinton didn't hold press conferences like this guy is. At least Bill Clinton respected the outgoing president.

Obama just can't keep his trap shut!
policy
So you think economic policies are the same as voter fraud? As a democrat, I have sat and read those that back Obama just come back with ridiculous questions because they know the facts against Obama are there but they have nothing to defend them, so they ask questions that have absolutely nothing to do with the facts at hand. It's an embarrassment when someone that is dem can't find one fact to defend the man in the stuff he is involved in. Corruption, terrorists....or do you like that?

I asked for someone to refute Obama's involvement with ACORN but since no one can, they bring up an issue that has nothing to do with the question. Now that is true ignorance. I'm so glad many democrats have opened their eyes and realize this is not what they want, which is why Obama has ACORN out there doing his dirty bidding, trying to get fradulent voter applications in there.
Put up or shut up. Give examples, cite sources
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Why should she think about foreign policy?
She was the governor of a state and that should have been her focus. Your #1 also has zero foreign policy experience. That is why he has Joe Biden. That is why Sarah has McCain. If something happened to McCain, she would have foreign policy advisors, just like Obama has in Biden. The thing is...she is the #2. If we elect Obama, we have zero foreign policy experience from day 1. It's pretty clear to me what I would rather see. I would like to at least start out with someone with several years foreign policy experience. But that is just me.
RE: Foreign Policy. Sam says we'd be just as well off

On the issues


Sarah Palin on Foreign Policy.


            No stance


Obama on Foreign Policy



  • Meet with Cuban leaders only with agenda of US interests. (Feb 2008)

  • Cuba: Loosen restrictions now; normalization later. (Feb 2008)

  • Important to undo the damage of the last seven years. (Feb 2008)

  • Never negotiate out of fear, and never fear to negotiate. (Jan 2008)

  • Ok to postpone Pakistani elections, but not indefinitely. (Dec 2007)

  • Pakistan crisis: secure nukes; continue with elections. (Dec 2007)

  • President must abide by international human rights treaties. (Dec 2007)

  • Obama Doctrine: ideology has overridden facts and reality. (Dec 2007)

  • China is a competitor but not an enemy. (Dec 2007)

  • Willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Kim Jung IL & Hugo Chavez. (Nov 2007)

  • Wrote 2006 law stabilizing Congo with $52M. (Oct 2007)

  • No Obama Doctrine; just democracy, security, liberty. (Oct 2007)

  • Invest in our relationship with Mexico. (Sep 2007)

  • Strengthen NATO to face 21st-century threats. (Aug 2007)

  • $50B annually to strengthen weak states at risk of collapse. (Aug 2007)

  • No "strategic ambiguity" on foreign policy issues. (Aug 2007)

  • At college, protested for divestment from South Africa. (Aug 2007)

  • Increased aid to Republic of Congo. (Aug 2007)

  • Visited largest slum in Africa, to publicize its plight. (Aug 2007)

  • My critics engineered our biggest foreign policy disaster. (Aug 2007)

  • China is a competitor, but not an enemy. (Aug 2007)

  • Meet with enemy leaders; it's a disgrace that we have not. (Jul 2007)

  • No-fly zone in Darfur; but pay attention more in Africa. (Jun 2007)

  • Europe & Japan are allies, but China is a competitor. (Apr 2007)

  • Palestinian people suffer-but from not recognizing Israel. (Apr 2007)

  • FactCheck: Palestinian suffering from stalled peace effort. (Apr 2007)

  • U.S. needs to ameliorate trade relations with China. (Mar 2007)

  • U.S. funds for humanitarian aid to Darfur. (Mar 2007)

  • We cannot afford isolationism. (Mar 2007)

  • Protested South African apartheid while at college. (Feb 2007)

  • Focus on corruption to improve African development. (Oct 2006)

  • Supports Israel's self-defense; but distrusted by Israelis. (Oct 2006)

  • Visited Africa in 2006; encouraged HIV testing & research. (Oct 2006)

  • Never has US had so much power & so little influence to lead. (Jul 2004)

  • US policy should promote democracy and human rights. (Jul 2004)

  • Sponsored aid bill to avert humanitarian crisis in Congo. (Dec 2005)

  • Urge Venezuela to re-open dissident radio & TV stations. (May 2007)

  • Let Ukraine & Georgia enter NATO. (Jan 2008)

  • Condemn violence by Chinese government in Tibet. (Apr 2008)

  • Sanction Mugabe until Zimbabwe transitions to democracy. (Apr 2008)

Sarah Palin on Homeland Security



  • Strong military and sound energy. (Aug 2008)

  • Armed forces, including my son, give us security and freedom. (Jan 2008)

  • Ask all candidates "Are you doing all you can for security?". (Oct 2007)

  • Visits Kuwait; encourages Alaska big game hunting to troops. (Sep 2007)

  • Promote from within, in Alaska's National Guard. (Nov 2006)

  • Let military personnel know how much we support them. (Nov 2006)

Obama on Homeland Security



  • No torture; no renditions; no operating out of fear. (Apr 2008)

  • Unacceptable to have veterans drive 250 miles to a hospital. (Feb 2008)

  • Pursue goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Feb 2008)

  • Al Qaida is stronger now than in 2001 as Iraq distracted us. (Jan 2008)

  • Colleges must allow military recruiters for ROTC on campus. (Jan 2008)

  • Rebuild a nuclear nonproliferation strategy. (Jan 2008)

  • FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it. (Jan 2008)

  • No presidential power for secret surveillance. (Dec 2007)

  • No holding US citizens as unlawful enemy combatants. (Dec 2007)

  • Congress decides what constitutes torture, not president. (Dec 2007)

  • No torture; defiance of FISA; no military commissions. (Dec 2007)

  • Restore habeas corpus to reach Muslims abroad. (Dec 2007)

  • Human rights and national security are complementary. (Nov 2007)

  • Don't allow our politics to be driven by fear of terrorism. (Nov 2007)

  • 2006: Obama-Lugar bill restricted conventional weapons. (Oct 2007)

  • Judgment is as important as experience. (Oct 2007)

  • If attacked, first help victims then prevent further attacks. (Oct 2007)

  • America cannot sanction torture; no loopholes or exceptions. (Sep 2007)

  • Repeal Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell. (Aug 2007)

  • 2005: Passed bill to reduce conventional weapon stockpiles. (Aug 2007)

  • We are no safer now than we were after 9/11. (Aug 2007)

  • Close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus. (Jun 2007)

  • Homeland security must protect citizens, not intrude on them. (Mar 2007)

  • America must practice the patriotism it preaches. (Mar 2007)

  • Protecting nuclear power plants is of utmost importance. (Mar 2007)

  • Personal privacy must be protected even in terrorism age. (Mar 2007)

  • Get first responders the healthcare and equipment they need. (Mar 2007)

  • Need to be both strong and smart on national defense. (Oct 2006)

  • Grow size of military to maintain rotation schedules. (Oct 2006)

  • Battling terrorism must go beyond belligerence vs. isolation. (Oct 2006)

  • Going after AL Qaeda in Pakistan is not Bush-style invasion. (Jan 2006)

  • Rebuild the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. (Jan 2006)

  • We are currently inspecting 3% of all incoming cargo. (Oct 2004)

  • Increase funding to decommission Russian nukes. (Jul 2004)

  • Give our soldiers the best equipment and training available. (Jul 2004)

  • Balance domestic intelligence reform with civil liberty risk. (Jul 2004)

Sarah Palin on War and Peace



  • We don't know what the plan is to ever end the war. (Aug 2008)

  • Wants exit plan; also assurances to keep our troops safe. (Mar 2007)

Obama on War and Peace


            Iraq War



  • President sets Iraq mission; Generals then implement tactics. (Apr 2008)

  • President sets Iraq mission; give generals a new mission. (Apr 2008)

  • $2.7 billion each week of Iraq spending is unsustainable. (Feb 2008)

  • Humanitarian aid now for displaced Iraqis. (Feb 2008)

  • FactCheck: Overstated displaced Iraqis; actually 4.2 million. (Feb 2008)

  • The Iraq war has undermined our security. (Jan 2008)

  • Iraq is distracting us from a host of global threats. (Jan 2008)

  • End the war, and end the mindset that got us into war. (Jan 2008)

  • The Iraq war was conceptually flawed from the start. (Jan 2008)

  • Title of Iraq war authorization bill stated its intent. (Jan 2008)

  • Get our troops out by the end of 2009. (Jan 2008)

  • No permanent bases in Iraq. (Jan 2008)

  • FactCheck: No, violence in Iraq is LOWER than 2 years ago. (Jan 2008)

  • Congress decides deployment level & duration, not president. (Dec 2007)

  • Surge strategy has made a difference in Iraq but failed. (Nov 2007)

  • Leave troops for protection of Americans & counterterrorism. (Sep 2007)

  • Hopes to remove all troops from Iraq by 2013, but no pledge. (Sep 2007)

  • Tell people the truth: quickest is 1-2 brigades per month. (Sep 2007)

  • No good options in Iraq--just bad options & worse options. (Aug 2007)

  • Be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. (Jul 2007)

  • We live in a more dangerous world because of Bush's actions. (Jun 2007)

  • Case for war was weak, but people voted their best judgment. (Jun 2007)

  • War in Iraq is "dumb" but troops still need equipment. (Apr 2007)

  • Open-ended Iraq occupation must end: no military solution. (Apr 2007)

  • Saddam is a tyrant but not a national security threat. (Mar 2007)

  • Iraq 2002: ill-conceived venture; 2007: waste of resources. (Feb 2007)

  • Saddam did not own and was not providing WMD to terrorists. (Oct 2004)

  • Iraq War has made US less safe from terrorism. (Oct 2004)

  • Invading Iraq was a bad strategic blunder. (Oct 2004)

  • Democratizing Iraq will be more difficult than Afghanistan. (Oct 2004)

  • Never fudge numbers or shade the truth about war. (Jul 2004)

  • Set a new tone to internationalize the Iraqi reconstruction. (Jul 2004)

  • Iraq war was sincere but misguided, ideologically driven. (Jul 2004)

  • Not opposed to all wars, but opposed to the war in Iraq. (Jul 2004)

  • International voice in Iraq in exchange for debt forgiveness. (Jul 2004)

Trouble Spots



  • Iran is biggest strategic beneficiary of invasion of Iraq. (May 2008)

  • Military surge in Afghanistan to eliminate the Taliban. (May 2008)

  • Take no options off the table if Iran attacks Israel. (Apr 2008)

  • Two-state solution: Israel & Palestine side-by-side in peace. (Feb 2008)

  • Al Qaida is based in northwest Pakistan; strike if needed. (Jan 2008)

  • No action against Iran without Congressional authorization. (Dec 2007)

  • Iran: Bush does not let facts get in the way of ideology. (Dec 2007)

  • Meet directly for diplomacy with the leadership in Iran. (Nov 2007)

  • Committed to Iran not having nuclear weapons. (Oct 2007)

  • Iran military resolution sends the region a wrong signal. (Oct 2007)

  • Deal with al Qaeda on Pakistan border, but not with nukes. (Aug 2007)

  • Military action in Pakistan if we have actionable intel. (Aug 2007)

  • FactCheck: Yes, Obama said invade Pakistan to get al Qaeda. (Aug 2007)

  • Focus on battle in Afghanistan and root out al Qaeda. (Jun 2007)

  • Bush cracked down on some terrorists' financial networks. (Jun 2007)

  • Iraq has distracted us from Taliban in Afghanistan. (Apr 2007)

  • Iran with nuclear weapons is a profound security threat. (Apr 2007)

  • We did the right thing in Afghanistan. (Mar 2007)

  • We are playing to Osama's plan for winning a war from a cave. (Oct 2006)

  • Al Qaida is stronger than before thanks to the Bush doctrine. (Jan 2006)

  • Terrorists are in Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran. (Oct 2004)

  • Problems with current Israeli policy. (Jul 2004)

  • Engage North Korea in 6-party talks. (Jul 2004)

  • Use moral authority to work towards Middle East peace. (Jul 2004)

Voting Record



  • Voted to fund war until 2006; now wants no blank check. (Nov 2007)

  • Late to vote against war is not late to oppose war. (Jun 2007)

  • Spending on the Cold War relics should be for the veterans. (Jun 2007)

  • Would have voted no to authorize the President to go to war. (Jul 2004)

  • Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)

  • Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)

  • Voted YES on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)

According to tax policy institute...
McCain's plan is to lower taxes on all levels, and from this the middle class would see a 3% increase in take-home pay. This also keeps small businesses who employ a great many people in this country, healthy and here, not offshore or folding.

Obama's program would have the middle class (not defined) getting 5% raise in takehome pay by 2012. He also wants $60 billion to give more tax cuts to the lowest income tax bracket...who already pay little or no taxes. And he plans to tax businesses who make over $250,000 a year to pay for that. THAT is exactly where the small businesses in this country fall. So why on EARTH would you hit the small businesses who employ so many people, just to give more breaks to the lowest bracket? All in the world that is going to do is cause small businesses to fail or go offshore or lay people off, so you will have even MORE people sent to that lower bracket, and that will put even more pressure on a slow economy.

McCain = everybody gets a tax break and small businesses stay healthy, and we don't add anymore people to that lower tax bracket. Plus the middle class gets a 3% raise in takehome pay.

To me, that is a no brainer.
JM/SP foreign policy exactly what?
I notice you have expressed no defense of SP regarding the points I have raised in the previous post regarding her breathtaking lack of knowledge and experience in foreign policy as was so painfully obvious in her first interview with Gibson and will be even more visible when she debates Biden. So you did what you always do and resorted to attacking Obama instead. OK. Let's go there for a minute.

You failed to mention who is the Chairman of the (full) Senate Foreign Relations Committee where hearings and strategies relative to NATO-Afghanistan relations are conducted. Lo and Behold. Would you look at that? It's Joe Biden, who served as chairman of that committee Jan 2001 to Jan 2003 and assumed his current incumbent chair position in Jan 2007. Looks like O made a pretty good choice of VP running mate when it comes to foreign policy experience. So if O is Chairman of the Subcommittee on European Affairs, why shouldn't he be in California for a debate? I would argue that if the Foreign Relations Committee IS the place where policy is debated relative to NATO and its relationship to Afghanistan (last time I checked, NOT in Europe) and O has (according to you) 300 advisors, his attendance is not expected or required, then evidently he feels that he can confidently rely on his advisors to keep him up to speed on what actually IS within the realm of his duties as Chairman of the Subcommittee on European Affairs since he is running for president.

By the way, how many foreign policy advisors does SP have at her disposal? Just curious. Also, it is notable that JM does not serve on any committees and his foreign policy experience is exactly what now? Speaking of advisors, for the life of me I cannot understand why you think there is something wrong with Obama having access to the insight of more than 300 people when it comes to foreign affairs. Sounds like a pretty impressive staff to me. Some might argue that that is an asset, not a liability. The world is a mighty big place and it is ludicrous to think that a president or a senator on a committee should not be taking advice and guidance from the experts on a given region.

Here's some foreign affairs stuff Obama did do during his time in the Senate before the campaign. Notice his interest in WMDs and his involvement in the strategy planning for controlling them in defense against terrorist attacks.

1. Introduced expansions to Cooperative Threat Reduction Program to secure and dismantle weapons of mass destruction and their associated infrastructure in former Soviet Union states.
2. Sponsor of Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security and Democracy Promotion Act, signed by Bush, to restore basic services like clinics and schools, train a professional, integrated and accountable police force and military, and otherwise support the Congolese in protecting their human rights and rebuilding their nation.
3. As member of Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa. His 2005 trip to Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan focus on strategy planning for the control of world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons and WMDs and defense against potential terrorist attacks.
4. January 2006, met with US military in Kuwait and Iraq. Visited Jordan, Israel and Palestinian territories. Asserted preconditions that US will never recognize legitimacy of Hamas leadership until they renounce elimination of Israel.
5. August 2006, official trip to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad where he made televised appearance addressing ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

So that's about it for now. JM/SP foreign affairs experience is what now?

When I said "enacting policy" sm
I was referring to his urging Congress to act on certain measures, such as the economic stimulus package, etc. Perhaps my choice of words was a little off, but I think you knew what I meant.

As far as being a "Bushie", I am not, thank you very much, but I believe in fairness inasmuch as fairness can be had in the political world, and I believe that Bush has been given too much "credit" for all the woes of this country. You have to remember that the POTUS is not always the decider, despite what Bush might have called himself. It is also interesting to note that the past 2 years, Dems have been the majority in Congress, which actually plays more of a part in deciding that the POTUS. No rabbits out of that hat!

I'm not criticizing Obama....yet. I am simply stating a fact....that he has jumped to the forefront and has made himself a very vocal player in the Washington arena. He is not the POTUS yet, and he should stop acting like he is. Do I like Obama? Most assuredly not, but I wish the man all the best. I hope he does a splendid job as President and pulls us from the brink of destruction, but it is a very tall order to fill and I do agree with you in that I don't know if there is anyone who can manage this.

In the meantime, I think all you Obama worshippers need to pull the wool off your eyes and realize that he is just a man and not some kind of super hero. He will have his kryptonite, too.
Meanwhile, volunteers are *begging* FEMA not to shut down camps in Louisiana. sm

Katrina Volunteers Beg FEMA Not to Shut Down Camps
By Mark Martin
CBN News Reporter


CBN.com – ST. BERNARD PARISH, New Orleans - Carolyn Pitre is grateful to find her Bible among her belongings, piled up in the street in front of her home in St. Bernard Parish.

Carolyn says, “I'm drawn to try and find something of value because we have nothing left... (cries)… Because we have nothing left... Everything was gone. Everything.”

All along Carolyn's street, and in the entire area, it is the same: Destruction everywhere you look. Piles and piles of trash and debris. Gutted homes.

Lt. Colonel David Dysart is the director of recovery for St. Bernard Parish, which is near New Orleans. Dysart stated, “I have no residents living here right now, and I have had absolutely no businesses which have been able to return.”

The Marine reservist also had a part in the rebuilding of Fallujah, Iraq. He says there are several similarities. Both were completely evacuated, and both had their infrastructures completely wiped out.

The Lt. Colonel says it is going to take another six months to finish gutting thousands of homes to remove health and safety hazards. And that's where volunteers come in.

Dysart says it takes 10 to 12 volunteers a day to a day-and-a-half to gut just one house.

Asked if he needed volunteers right now, Dysart replied, “Absolutely. It's critical that we keep this up. We have approximately 800 homes to date that we've managed to move these items, out of the approximately 5,000 that applied.”

Volunteers need a place to stay. Right now, they live in base camps set up by fema. The problem is, local relief coordinators say, fema wants to close them soon -- in just a few weeks.

FEMA told Dysart that it wants to close these base camps because, Dysart said, “It is not FEMA's responsibility to provide support to volunteer agencies.”

Operation Blessing Disaster Relief Manager Jody Herrington says that not being able to provide a home means turning away a volunteer.

“Each volunteer that we turn away is another home that's not gutted, another resident that's not helped,” Jody declared. “It's another neighborhood that's not coming back. It's another city that's not restored. The reality is the volunteer help is crucial and critical to the success of recovery out in these parishes.”

Brenda Puckett is a missionary to nearby Plaquemines Parish. “There's so much to do,” Brenda stressed. “There's so much devastation. The need for volunteers is tremendous.”

She, too, says the camps need to stay.

Around 500 people live in one camp alone. A FEMA representative says it one houses contractors, people who are here to clean up and rebuild. I asked him where they would stay if these tents were not here. He said in their vehicles, wherever they could find.

Brenda said, “It just breaks my heart. We need the contractors here, we need the volunteers here in order to build our Parish back.”

Pastor Randy Millet helps run a disaster relief center in St. Bernard Parish. He says the volunteers are vital in making sure that residents get the food and clothing they need to survive.

“Please don't close the base camps,” Randy urged. “Allow us to house our volunteers. They're not looking for a Holiday Inn. They're looking for a cot with a pillow and a meal.”

In addition, Randy says that without warning, fema stopped providing ice and filling up their generators with fuel.

“What we’ve got to do in order to get diesel fuel right now -- we have to go across the street to fill up our buckets,” Randy explained, “and bring them back to fill up our generators... three or four... and that takes four or five trips.

Obstacles, these workers say, that are making it tough to serve others.

“The sheer economic recovery of this parish is dependent upon the volunteer effort,” Dysart commented.

Herrington said, “Our plea would be to please consider extending the closing of the base camps so that would give us time for transition and preparation to come up with some other accommodations.”

Carolyn Pitre does not want to see volunteers turned away. She's grateful for those who helped remove her belongings from her home.

“We need all the help we can get. It's not over... not by a long shot,” Carolyn stated.

CBN News tried to contact a fema representative to ask about the base camp closings and other issues facing volunteers, but no representative was available.


Obama's group has tried to shut Stanley Kurtz up several times...
He was on WGN radio in August when Obama supporters were told to call in and voice their displeasure about Mr. Kurtz and his appearance. Mr. Kurtz has done extensive research regarding the Obama/Ayers/Wright association. The WGN host offered to have someone from the Obama campaign on to counterpoint Mr. Kurtz but they declined. You would think they would like to refute something they vehemently deny.
Dirty foreign policy
Well, seems to be if we didnt have such a murderous dirty foreign policy for the last 50 years, the rest of the world might not be wanting to blow us to kingdom come.  You have to wonder why other people of the world hate us so.  It is because we have overthrown third world governments and placed puppets in, undermined elections in other countries, murdered duly legally elected leaders in other countries.  Heck, we were bombing Iraq nonstop through the 1990s and stepped it up right before this illegal criminal war.  The great thing is lots of those soldiers who took part in the bombing are now speaking out.  It has been my experience, from what I have seen in life, you can only bully for so long, then others will definitely strike back.  We are now being struck back. 
Not when it is publishing policy statements
the joke's on you. Hundred of others where that came from.
Firstly, he CANNOT enact policy, and he
is trying to get the economy stabilized ASAP.  Bush has let go of the prez's office, he just wants to take his marbles and go home.  He has not been acting prez since before the economic crisis;  i.e. he came out for about all of a minute and a half to "explain" the economic crash in Sept.  So he is not acting as prez, nor does he want to.  Therefore, Obama is trying to get the economic issues in place so he can DO SOMETHING about it!!  Why is that so hard for you to understand?  "Bush given too much credit for woes of the country"  Bush is given much of the credit because HIS policies made this mess.  When these policies were enacted, Reps were in power.  Bush is responsible for every little thing that happened during his tenure, as I am sure Obama will be responsible for everything he does PLUS what Bush has caused because he is the one who has to unravel the mass of strings all knotted up in a big ball, caused by Bush, and it will be a tough road to hoe for Americans, thanks to Bush.  "He is not POTUS yet, and he should stop acting like he is."  Well, that's funny that you keep bringing that up.  He was elected POTUS, Shrub doesn't want the job, so somebody has to answer the questions, like "how's he going to fix this mess?" the press keeps putting to him.  As an Obama worshipper which gets my ire because I only worship Jesus Christ, thank you very much, but if you must call me an Obama worshipper and tell me to pull the wool off my eyes, I will tell you that my eyes have been wide open for years, way back, darlin', probably as long or longer than you have been on this earth.  I know my history for one, and you better get to know your history.  My eyes are wide open, open yours.   This country is no longer "home of the free," no longer the democracy I grew up in or even the democracy we had just a few 8 years ago, and you're telling me to pull the wool off my eyes.  Incredible. 
He has more experience than Obama in foreign policy and that cannot...
be disputed. He did add that with Joe Biden; however, I still say it will look odd to foreign leaders if Biden goes to all his meetings with him. McCain can instill any number of advisors and/or his VP pick to help where he lacks in knowledge of the economy. Frankly, I would rather have the economy knowledge in the second chair than the foreign policy knowledge. Because if we get pulled into a confrontation with someone who we know for sure unequivocally DOES have nukes...well, you get my drift.

McCain does not plan to stay at war for 100 years. That was taken completely out of context and not what he said at all. What he said was that there could be an American presence there for 100 years in the form of bases. There are American bases all over the world. We still have bases in Germany and that war has been over for what...60 years or more? If the world lasts 100 years past WWII, those bases will still be there. THAT is what McCain was talking about. Not staying at war for 100 years. We have bases in South Korea, and that war has been over for 50+ years.

I could start pulling out all the Obama quotes but his followers don't care. I have never seen such a group myopic view about one individual. It seems like if he got up on a podium and said I really don't plan to do anything I say I will do, I am just like all the politicians before me, they would chant back "we don't care, we don't care, we don't care." Such is blind devotion. This goes way past a politician and party members.

How do you know McCain has no plans to help Americans through hard times? I can tell you one thing that should not be done is impose harsher taxes on the small family businesses in this country who employ a lot of people. All that does is either cause those companies to go offshore or fold, and then you have even more unemployed and add to the government ticket. But oh...what am I thinking. That is what Democrats want. The more beholden people are to the government, the better Democrats like it. When I say Democrats, I mean the Democratic party hierarchy. I do NOT lump all Democrats together and demonize the whole group as other posters here tend to do with Republicans. Even lump Independents in with the Republicans because they are "not Democrats." That is a decidedly unDEMOcratic attitude, unAmerican attitude. One would surmise the socialism thing is already working...well of course it is. How many times in the speech did we hear tax the rich and the disappearing middle class? Class socialism...redistribute that wealth.


If you want to vote personality over policy and substance
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That's ridiculous. This is a foreign policy debate...
mccain still leads all the polls on foreign policy. He has no reason to try to duck this, and that should not even be an issue...they should both be back in Washington doing their jobs as leaders of their parties, not to mention as senators, which they both still are and drawing checks for.

I am glad one of them is doing it, and believe it or not, if Obama had said it first he would be getting the kudos from me too. If he even agreed to it I would give him thumbs up. But he chose not to.
Cheney 'cabal' hijacked foreign policy
Cheney 'cabal' hijacked foreign policy
By Edward Alden in Washington
Published: October 20 2005 00:00 | Last updated: October 20 2005 00:19

Vice-President Dick Cheney and a handful of others had hijacked the government's foreign policy apparatus, deciding in secret to carry out policies that had left the US weaker and more isolated in the world, the top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell claimed on Wednesday.


In a scathing attack on the record of President George W. Bush, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Mr Powell until last January, said: “What I saw was a cabal between the vice-president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made.

“Now it is paying the consequences of making those decisions in secret, but far more telling to me is America is paying the consequences.”


Transcript: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
Click here http://news.ft.com/cms/s/c925a686-4...000e2511c8.html

Mr Wilkerson said such secret decision-making was responsible for mistakes such as the long refusal to engage with North Korea or to back European efforts on Iran.

It also resulted in bitter battles in the administration among those excluded from the decisions.

“If you're not prepared to stop the feuding elements in the bureaucracy as they carry out your decisions, you are courting disaster. And I would say that we have courted disaster in Iraq, in North Korea, in Iran.”

The comments, made at the New America Foundation, a Washington think-tank, were the harshest attack on the administration by a former senior official since criticisms by Richard Clarke, former White House terrorism czar, and Paul O'Neill, former Treasury secretary, early last year.

Mr Wilkerson said his decision to go public had led to a personal falling out with Mr Powell, whom he served for 16 years at the Pentagon and the State Department.

“He's not happy with my speaking out because, and I admire this in him, he is the world's most loyal soldier.

Among his other charges:

■ The detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere was “a concrete example” of the decision-making problem, with the president and other top officials in effect giving the green light to soldiers to abuse detainees. “You don't have this kind of pervasive attitude out there unless you've condoned it.”

■ Condoleezza Rice, the former national security adviser and now secretary of state, was “part of the problem”. Instead of ensuring that Mr Bush received the best possible advice, “she would side with the president to build her intimacy with the president”.

■ The military, particularly the army and marine corps, is overstretched and demoralised. Officers, Mr Wilkerson claimed, “start voting with their feet, as they did in Vietnam. . . and all of a sudden your military begins to unravel”.

Mr Wilkerson said former president George H.W. Bush “one of the finest presidents we have ever had” understood how to make foreign policy work. In contrast, he said, his son was “not versed in international relations and not too much interested in them either”.

“There's a vast difference between the way George H.W. Bush dealt with major challenges, some of the greatest challenges at the end of the 20th century, and effected positive results in my view, and the way we conduct diplomacy today.”

www.newamerica.net

Former US Diplomat Raps Bush N. Korea Policy

Here is yet another expert criticizing Bush's policies.  How can ALL of these people be wrong?


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-06-21T064029Z_01_N21187502_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3


Former US Diplomat Raps Bush N. Korea Policy


June 21, 2006


By Carol Giacomo, Diplomatic Correspondent


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A former U.S. diplomat who was deeply involved in North Korea policy said the Bush administration's approach toward the isolated communist state has been a failure that left Pyongyang to pursue its nuclear and missile programs.


In a rare public attack on the administration by a foreign service officer, retired head of the State Department's office of Korean affairs David Straub also questioned Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's decision-making on the issue. A spokesman for Rice was not immediately available for comment.


One fundamental failure of Bush's approach was the tendency to raise tensions and make South Korea nervous by stating that all options were the table, a phrase underscoring U.S. intentions to use force against North Korea if necessary, he said.


Of course all options are on the table. No government ever takes any option off the table but you don't have to talk about it all the time, Straub said.


Every time we said 'all options are on the table' gratuitously, we made the situation with our South Korean ally worse and made the prospect of coordination with South Korea to resolve the North Korean problem diplomatically that much more remote, he said.


Straub was head of the Korean office from 2002-2004 and was part of a team that negotiated with the North during former Secretary of State Colin Powell's tenure.


Several former administration political appointees have faulted President George W. Bush's policies after leaving office but it is rare for a foreign service officer to do so.


DIPLOMATIC FAILURE


Straub spoke in Washington at a meeting of the Korea Club, which groups former officials, scholars and journalists interested in the Korean peninsula.


His remarks came as six-country negotiations on ending North Korea's nuclear program are at a stalemate and as Pyongyang fans tensions again with preparations for a possible long-range missile test.


Straub said Washington was not primarily responsible for the failure to stop the North's pursuit of nuclear weapons and expressed skepticism Pyongyang would abandon its growing capability even if the United States made major concessions.


But he said the only viable U.S. approach is serious negotiations, the appointment of a high-level envoy and a willingness to engage in bilateral as well as multilateral talks, something the Bush administration has eschewed.


Straub said North Korea never seemed a priority for Bush and he could not understand why the National Security Council under Rice, who is often credited with energizing diplomacy at the State Department, repeatedly rejected Powell's diplomatic proposals.


Powell was desperate to try to have some real diplomatic effort going (with Pyongyang). Maybe she did something (to assist that) for four years while he was in office, but if she did no one ever told me, Straub said.


As for Bush, Straub wondered how much attention is he able to pay to it (North Korea). How much does he know?


Straub noted that opinion polls show many South Koreans consider America a bigger problem than North Korea. I can't think of a better definition of diplomatic failure, he said


He expressed confidence Powell would have pursued bilateral talks with Pyongyang in 2002-2003 during a crisis created by U.S. discovery of the North's clandestine program for enriching weapons-grade uranium.


But he said the administration did not want real give and take so the stalemate in six-country talks between the United States, the two Koreas, Japan, China and Russia was predictable, he said.


Straub also questioned why, after six-party talks reached an important but preliminary agreement on the nuclear issue last September, Rice would allow release of a statement clarifying U.S. views on issues papered over in the agreement.


The U.S. statement prompted Pyongyang to renege on the agreement.


How much did Barack Obama think about foreign policy before he decided to run...?
I would say...none. There is certainly no proof that he DID, that is why he chose Biden. So, if HE has to make a crucial decision that does not involve voting present or yelling at Michelle for spending $10,000 to send their kids to camp, or which Britney Spears designer to use for his next big speech...what's he gonna do? All I can say is, if he is elected, he better put Biden on speed dial or handcuff him to himself. You act as if your guy is ready!! And no one has to keel over for HIM to be in charge...he is in charge on day 1. Yeah, THAT IS scary!!

I don't know in what alternate universe you think Karl Rove is advising him. Karl Rove and John McCain detest each other. Have you not paid ANY attention these last few years??
Sarah Palin's foreign policy experience...
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/31/foreign-policy-experience-what-americans-dont-know-about-sarah-palin/
Biden's giving a speech on foreign policy right now..
sure doesn't sound like he is stepping down any time soon, but don't want to burst your bubble.
Biden has plenty of foreign policy experience.
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Because they were roasting the economy, foreign and domestic policy
I am a firm Obama suppoter but I concede on this point. McCain out-roasted Obama. He was clever, not over the top, comfortable with himself and amazingly gracious in his concluding remarks...in stark contrast to his demeanor when debating the more difficult issues of this election.
For full impact: McC's nuclear safety policy:
That's blah x4. Got it?
One's child being in the military doesn't mean foreign policy experience...
the site I posted lists several things that do constitute foreign policy experience...more than Barack has. That is not a slam, it is just the truth. And she is the #2 person, not the #1 person. I don't know if she said she doesn't know anything about Iraq or not. She is a governor, in state politics, and that should have been her focus. She was running a state government. Obama has never run any kind of government,so she has more executive experience than he has...well, in fact, more than any candidate running, including her running mate. John McCain has more foreign policy experience than Obama. Obama's #2 has more foreign policy experience than he does. That is why he is the #2 guy. As far as experience goes...Sarah Palin has more than Barack Obama. That is fact on paper. Not trying to downgrade Obama. Contrary to popular opinion, I think he is a likable guy. I think he is a good orator. I think he has a beautiful family he loves and who love him. I don't have anything against Joe Biden, other than he can be condescending and hateful sometimes...there are sound bites all over the internet. I just don't think he is right to lead either. I just think Obama is wrong for the Presidency and so would Joe Biden be. Apparently holding that opinion put me on the tracks in front of the hate train with a target painted on my back. But that is okay...I can deal with that. My country is too important to me to throw my values under the bus for the "party." I am with PUMA...party unity my tailfeathers.

Yep, pretty dumb to claim you have foreign policy experience from 3 weeks in Pakistan!!!...

Obama started off saying he was confident in his FOREIGN POLICY experience ("Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain"). He then proceeded to talk about his visit to Pakistan.


SO WHAT? I visited and lived in several foreign countries, too. Does that mean I understand foreign policy better than someone who may have spent less time but has had actual interaction and policy discussions with those countries' leaders? And with the leaders of 80 countries?


If 3 weeks in Pakistan is the extent of Obama's foreign policy credentials, then I am way more qualified on the "foreign policy" front.


My point is that Obama's claim is ridiculous. Better that he stick to his "better judgement" mantra, since the "3 weeks abroad = foreign policy experience" is just pathetically weak.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html


McCain and his foreign policy would have pushed America into total isolation from the rest of the w
and the world would have disrespected us even more.
There are different ways to SHOW STRENGTH, it must not always be BOMBS !
What a great idea. Let's try a click open, click shut
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