Have you folks given any thought to why your party imploded?
Posted By: Time's a wastin'..,,sm on 2008-11-09
In Reply to: You never consider that YOU could just be wrong? - BTW, O's tax plan IS welfare.nm
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Have any of you pubs figured out why your party imploded,
your leadership deficit, whether your party is going more right or more central or what kind of paltform transplant you will be seeking? Let me give you a hint. Relentless Obama stalking, witch hunts and outlandish fabrications and criticisms did work real well for you in 2008. I'm with Just the Big Bad....you might want to rethink this strategy.
I thought the Democrats were the party of EVERY VOTE COUNTS....
I guess that only applies to certain situations? Amusing, to say the least. Wonder how they would be feeling right now if Obama were leading for delegates in those states?? LOL. Ahem. Sooo transparent.
Have you figured out why the GOP imploded yet?
on how to save themselves from themselves? You really do have more important things to do with your time that make yourself look like a fool.
I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
I guess I was reaching.
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share
Down the drain? Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'
By Betsy Newmark High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger
If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.
“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?
He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?
Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.
But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”
That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.
But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked
You mean the pro-war folks ?
The ones in their Scooby-doo T-shirts and bedroom slippers? LOL - the ones babbling about 9/11 as if it had something to do with Iraq? I think the only washing that needs to go on is in their ears.
Don't know of any folks like that.
Don't know of anyone who thinks this country is the great Satan. Not at all. The folks I talk to feel this country has its foibles, failings and quirks just like most other nations. We are not perfect and never will be. But we shouldn't give up simply because we're not perfect. Turning a blind eye to this country's problems will solve nothing, though, only perpetuate its problems and make us weaker in the end.
You may see some of us as spouting hatred for this country when in reality it is love, albeit sometimes a tough love. If you care about your child you want them to improve and become the best they can. Same with the U.S.
Otherwise, all these Satan =U.S. folks....can you provide compelling statistical evidence for this statement?
you folks are just sad. (nm)
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Well, here you have it folks.....
Here are your civil rights being stripped to the core. Excuse me, but I believe that is what our police force is for. Only this is disguised as taking care of the citizens at home. We do not need a miliary brigade "specifically" detailed to take care of "our" citizens. You need to read very carefully what is being said here, folks, and it AIN'T for your own good, even though there will be those who think this is wonderful news!!!
Please pay close attention to the "crowd and traffic control equipment" they will be using on you, which they are sooooo excited about! These will be your relatives being deployed within our borders not to protect us against intruders but to do just what you see in other countries, when you see their military all over their streets, monitoring their citizens' every move.... and, of course, there is the brainwashing where some of these military indivdiuals believe they are doing an "honorable" thing and "noble mission".....Mission? You want a mission?..... find another job besides the one where you are "monitoring" and stripping your citizens of their civil rights.
Consequence Management Response Force.....I believe is what they call it now..... consequences of what? Protests, which is our right, speaking up and out against our government, which is our civil rights......just watch what will be happening if you don't start screaming loudly and long.
I always wonder what is going on behind the scenes with our government when something "big" starts going on that distracts our attention away from something else. Well, like they didn't know the Wall Street crowd and all the financial institutions weren't corrupt and crooked as sin.....right!!! Now seems like a good time to distract you and SUDDENLY it all comes out. Better keep your eye on your government folks. There's the real problem!!!!!
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
for folks who don't want to think for themselves
Just wanted to finish your sentence fragment.
'Huff is a great site ... for folks who don't want to think for themselves, and would rather have hate mongers give them snarky falsehoods to repost ad nauseum on web sites in a sad attempt to keep people from scrutinizing their vunderkid candidate.'
You can thank me later. :)
Well there you have it folks
I'm not the only one who can say what "change" we want to see. Good post.
Folks......... sm
Somebody is jerking your chain. "Judy" is just doing this to get something riled up on the board..... Like we need any help in that department! HAHAHAHA
Most folks will say that.......... sm
we should get behind Obama and watch his every step because they are probably not taking the time to look at ALL sides of information available. Trust is earned, GP, and Obama has not earned my trust because of his refusal to present the one thing that would clear up this issue. If he is to be trusted, then why doesn't he just produce it? Why must he be hounded and brought before the SC to prove his citizenship which any number of Americans would have no trouble producing? When he earns my trust, then I will be willing to give him a chance, but I'm not tossing my trust to someone who is apparently hiding something and someone who has so many other issues that I can't trust. That would be like saying "Let's let Charles Manson out. He's been in here for years and hasn't done anything wrong. Let's give him a chance."
Many folks would be better off if they had
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For us old folks....(sm)
This is not meant as anything bad. I just thought it was funny. After looking at Bush for 8 years, it finally dawned on me last night who he looks like. How about Dickie Smothers from the Smothers Brothers.....ROFL...
Well, here ya go folks!
Here's your global economy...........want to move to India?
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/05/news/companies/ibm_jobs/index.htm
I think all most folks see is..........sm
they might get free or low-cost healthcare. Sure, it might cost them less out of the pocket, but what will it cost them in terms of their health, which has no price tag?
That ain't all folks!
He also said NO LOBBYISTS but you see he has 12, count them, TWELVE, of them in his administration..........!!!!
We're finally seeing some O lovers around here not so quick to sing his praises now days! They're finally waking up to the truth about this guy! Suddenly, trillions of dollars in debt doesn't seem like such a great idea to them!
It's so sad that folks can actually believe that. nm
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Well folks, here I am again s/m
Yes, I voted against McCain/Palin which effectively means I voted for Obama. Okay, I'm not sorry about that, still would not like to have seen McCain/Palin in the White House. Don't think they'd be looking out for the interest of America either.
Am I happy with Obama? No. First he's run us into debt so that the only light at the end of the tunnel, as I see it, is a freight train, and a BIG one at that, coming. The stimulus may have stimulated the economy in the moment, Arkansas is planning a hiring spree with that extra "free" cash which obviously will create jobs but they say that when that free money is gone, the jobs will also be gone. So we will be left no better off than we were before, just deeper in debt. Oh yeah, as retirees, my husband and I got that $250 stimulus check. News flash....we didn't run out and spend it nor did we use it to pay debts as we have none. It's sitting right in the bank where it will remain as we are hoarding money for worse times to come. Those I have talked to who are working and get the supposed reduction in taxes say it isn't enough that they've even noticed any extra money.
This morning I read that he is all primed and cocked to sign the long awaited smoking reform. Do people not realize that this is just one more of our personal freedoms that is being taken away? So some of you are glad but what about when the next freedom that affects YOU is taken away? Maybe it's guns or whatever is dear to your heart. The push is on to legalize marijuana. Sorry but my experience with marijuana is that it is not harmless. But maybe it'll make all of us who smoke feel better about the direction our country is headed, something tobacco really doesn't provide.
What we need is NOT a Democrat and NOT a Republican. What we need is someone in the White House (and other branches of the government) with some common sense and who are not puppets for special interests. And I don't care how much Obama says "no more business as usual in Washington," from where I sit it most certainly is business as usual. God save us all!!
Too bad folks, it's not just the left...sm
Like Lurker said, the gig is up! People are pushing for change in Iraq. Personally, I would have rather seen us release the full fury on terrorist who are invading that country and clean it up before leaving. However, if our strategy is to keep peddling around like street police then something has to give. We have our own country to fix and too much attention has been given to Iraq in the past 3 years.
On to the economy for a sec. Republicans have been boasting on how good the economy is doing, but guess which group is reaping the benefits. You guessed it - the rich. So sorry if the working man, you know those of us who punch the clock, are not feeling so thankful for the Dow and Nasdaq earnings. What's funny is that the *beltway boys* as AG calls them can not seem to figure out why 50% of Americans tend to feel the economy is not so hot.
Are you ridiculing folks who...
use "folksy" sayings?
I know one thing for sure...if I was fighting for my life I would want one of those "folksy" folks at my back.
Can you imagine all these folks
worrying about the pubs wasting 150,000 of their little handful of funds? You got Obama there who has spent more $$ than anyone in political history, and isn't near through yet. Now, how many hungry children could he have fed? Remember, this is another one of his lies where he first agreed to accept public funding, however.
Not at all. Different strokes for different folks.
Deal with it.
Here's something for you scared folks. s/m
Here in NW Arkansas I've had the inside scoop for some time on a situation that ought to scare the living dickens out of everyone who works for a living.
I have known for some time that Don Tyson was going to come out of retirement and take over the reins of Tyson Food again. The news story broke yesterday. By the way, Don Tyson is a rabid Republican. None of the following is heresay, I know the guy.
Most of you probably find Tyson products in your local grocery. If you eat at McDonalds you eat Tyson chicken tenders.
In the farming area where I live probably 75% of the people have either worked in some facet of the chicken industry or they have retired with a fortune they made in the chicken industry. Most people contracted with Tyson to raise their chickens. Low income workers worked in the hatcheries and chicken processing plants. Not to mention the people who had good jobs in the corporate offices. Within the last several years Tyson replaced their low income workers with illegal aliens. They started building their own chicken farms and imported Mongs from (Minnesota or somewhere) to run them at much less cost than their contract growers but they are so big they didn't replace all of their growers.
What some of you call the "low lifes" worked in this chicken business, a dirty, nasty job. Some of them did this because there is nothing else they can do. They are uneducated, some are not too bright but they WORK. I know one who can't even read and write. Most of them now drive 25-30 miles to Fayetteville to work in fast food, as janitors or whatever low-paying job they can find and you see their old jalopies by the side of the road where they've either broken down or run out of gas. These "low life people" don't want handouts, they want to work. I feel sorry for them.
Now the news flash? Tyson has bought chicken processing plants in Argentina, Brazil and China because "the cost of feed is making it cost prohibitive to do business here." This is going to not only take jobs out of this country, it is going to leave many farmers who are still growing chickens (and pork) not only unemployed but with thousands of dollars in debt because of the investments they have made in chicken farming. 20 years ago it cost $100,000 for a farmer to build a commercial chicken house. I shudder to think what it costs today. The plan is to raise chickens abroad and process them and bring them home to America.
So all of you who work for a living whether you work in the chicken industry or another, had better be scared. John McCain from his own mouth proclaimed himself to be the biggest free trader ever. Free trade hasn't worked too well for Americans has it?
The inside scoop is buy Tyson stock now. Not me. I will NOT profit by costing American people their jobs.
I've changed my plean from "God Bless America" to "God Have Mercy on America."
How does this relate to the election? For one thing I don't think we need another "biggest free trader ever" in the White House.
I agree. Too bad more folks don't
Some of them apparently don't think much at all.
Umm, folks? They will advertise either way.
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Just how long will it take you folks to get over
the fact that the people have spoken, the mandate is in place, the swearing in is around the corner and YOU LOST the race? Apparently, the majority of Americans did not see it that way. Just, the facts, ma'am.
Just like all those innocent folks were
due process. . .preach some of your idiocracy to their survivors.
Different stroke for different folks.
try to pretend this issue is only about porn in the library. We are talking about government censorship here. You want it, move to Iran and get a good look at what it really means to have the government in charge of what you can and cannot access. Yes, Chele, deal with the fact that you and your son live in a democracy where freedom of speech TRUMPS sanitized communication outlets and parental reponsibility intervenes to mitigate the chasm between the two.
What exactly does this have to do with "white folks"?
If someone posted something similar with the words "black folks" or any other race other than white, that person would be attacked as a racist, but you find it acceptable to say this?
Agreed - all this is from the same folks...
who weren't afraid to refer to Bush as Hitler.
I think, though, it has more to do with him being a dem than being black, JMHO.
Agreed - all this is from the same folks...
who weren't afraid to refer to Bush as Hitler.
I think, though, it has more to do with him being a dem than being black, JMHO.
Now, you come on, folks. What is funny about
spitting on the face of the president of the US, even if it is only a picture?
It doesn't matter which president. After all the majority if the voters voted for that president.
Not funny to me and I understand it quite well. I have a funny bone, but not for this kind of humor. No need to get nasty and question my smartness.
'People like you' are insecure little folks who
have so little in the way of brains or initiative that you have to have a crutch to fall on (religion) and a leader (fundamentalist or radical) to tell you what to do because you can't think for yourselves. Many of the most hideous, evil deeds in history have been done by 'people like you', under the guise of 'goodness'. And ya'll seem to get REAL agitated whenever anyone sees the truth through all Christianity's smoke & mirrors. What a farce.
There seems to be a lot more roasting of folks by your side....
why is it if someone disagrees with you they are not caring, not kind, not loving, and judgmental? Isn't that kind of a judgmental sentence?
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What corporations and rich folks have done for you...
they already and have always paid the bulk of taxes that keep this country running. But you still want them to pay more? You really think it is fair for those who have been successful to redistribute their money to other people? Be punished for success? I do not get that mindset. Sorry.
As to the rich having more power...the remedy to that is getting someone in Washington that will address the under the table power brokering, under the table pork barrelling and under the table lobbying. McCain is the one who has a history of trying to do just that. With the veto pen, he can put his money where his mouth is.
And contrary to popular opinion, not all rich people are Republicans. If Obama thinks higher taxes on the rich are the answer and all his supporters think so, then let him tax all rich Democrats. Let them check that box on their income tax returns and just give more. Let HIM do that. They could have been doing this all along. Stop taking all the deductions they take. Put their money where their mouth is. Lead by example. And if they want to redistribute that to other Democrats, more power to them. Just leave we independents and republicans who do not want to participate out of it.
Works for me.
Federal Reserve folks......
Stop throwing accusations at one another and blaming whatever party on Capitol Hill you hate!!!!!!!!! All this blame game crap is absolutely nauseating..... all parties have been part of the government since way back when. The parties in Washington at this moment had absolutely NOTHING to do with the situation at hand......the problem started decades ago with an absolutely desperate president who started up the Federal Reserve program, trying to coax people into believing their money was safe to put in the banks after the banks collapsed. They were lulled into a false sense of security in hopes they would start putting their money back in the bank and being told their government would guarantee it.........nothing to do with rep or dem, just a desperate president at the helm at the time and all those idiots who should have known better but let it continue nonetheless.
The corrupt companies in this fix now have been allowed to go this route because of an institution that was started up a looooong time ago, this just didn't happen overnight or a few years.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553
Somebody got a little hatred of RICH folks?
McCain's wife coming from money has no bearing....she is an awsome woman, just as her husband is an awesome man. Get over it that you weren't born with a silver spoon in your mouth for heaven sake.
Looks like you folks have whipped up so much hate
I am also no supporter of JM, but I too really appreciated what he did today and for a moment, I felt really sorry for him that his supporters have put him in such a compromised position. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
His folks are Indian immigrants
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Different strokes for different folks, but evidently....
I respect your opinion, but do not share it...not on any level.
we already have custody of thes folks -
we have already been paying to house these people for years - they are in our prison camps, with our military people holding them. They have had no rights during that time and some of them may not even be guilty! It's about time we are doing something about it instead of just letting them sit there and rot at our expense.
I do believe that both sides use information from these folks (sm)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
what about those folks we swept up who are entirely innocent?
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But, remember all the millions the folks
into buying Mr. O the presidency? Well, this is the way all of us taxpayers get to pay them back! Along with unions, and, well who knows who else!
Ignorance is bliss for those folks ya know!!!
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I already said the vote democrat or die folks would not be swayed by what I had to say.
I get it.
Lots of folks DO hate her. Something underneath all the
gives lots of people the heebie-jeebies. "Got that born-again look", ya might say.
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