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Guess it's time to move to a blue state then huh?

Posted By: wink on 2006-06-18
In Reply to: Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm - Democrate

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Electoral college - Do we need it for a fair election? sm - Democrat
- Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm - Democrate
  - Guess it's time to move to a blue state then huh? - wink
    - No. I love the country side in Alabama...I'm a country girl...nm - Democrat
      - Did ya notice? - PK
        I did notice that. These peoople are getting more and more pathetic by the moment..sm - Democrat
        Thanks for saying that! - PK
        Votes counted by hand is the only way sm - LVMT
        Counting by hand of 100 million votes would be a task...sm - Democrat
        Same thought here - Observer

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Since when is Georgia a blue state?
Just wondering.

And even though my property value went down in a blue state...
my taxes still went up. That's what goes on in a Democratic-controlled state. They sent my assessment that valued my home at $40,000--yes $40K less than last year and my taxes STILL went up. And you can bet property taxes in Washington are higher than those in Tennessee. I can't rent my home out for what my payment is, so each month, we lose money because we can't sell it with the housing market the way it is and did the right thing when we financed, by NOT financing a home we could not afford with an ARM. Luckily, we got a really good deal, so the house is still worth more than we paid for it, but not much and it doesn't really matter anyway because, like I said, we can't sell it. I think that I would be happy if your property values stayed the same, rather than falling.

I'm just so glad I live in a BLUE state, and not
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Red state, blue state?

Written last Thanksgiving: "Some would argue that two different nations actually celebrated: upright, moral, traditional red America and the dissolute, liberal blue states clustered on the periphery of the heartland. The truth, however, is much more complicated and interesting than that.

Take two iconic states: Texas and Massachusetts. In some ways, they were the two states competing in the last election. In the world's imagination, you couldn't have two starker opposites. One is the homeplace of Harvard, gay marriage, high taxes, and social permissiveness. The other is Bush country, solidly Republican, traditional, and gun-toting. Massachusetts voted for Kerry over Bush 62 to 37 percent; Texas voted for Bush over Kerry 61 to 38 percent.

So ask yourself a simple question: which state has the highest divorce rate? Marriage was a key issue in the last election, with Massachusetts' gay marriages becoming a symbol of alleged blue state decadence and moral decay. But in actual fact, Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country at 2.4 divorces per 1,000 inhabitants. Texas - which until recently made private gay sex a criminal offence - has a divorce rate of 4.1. A fluke? Not at all. The states with the highest divorce rates in the U.S. are Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. And the states with the lowest divorce rates are: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. Every single one of the high divorce rate states went for Bush. Every single one of the low divorce rate states went for Kerry. The Bible Belt divorce rate, in fact, is roughly 50 percent higher than the national average.

Some of this discrepancy can be accounted for by the fact that couples tend to marry younger in the Bible Belt - and many clearly don't have the maturity to know what they're getting into. There's some correlation too between rates of college education and stable marriages, with the Bible Belt lagging a highly educated state like Massachusetts. But the irony still holds. Those parts of America that most fiercely uphold what they believe are traditional values are not those parts where traditional values are healthiest. Hypocrisy? Perhaps. A more insightful explanation is that these socially troubled communities cling onto absolutes in the abstract because they cannot live up to them in practice.

But doesn't being born again help bring down divorce rates? Jesus, after all, was mum on the subject of homosexuality, but was very clear about divorce, declaring it a sin unless adultery was involved. A recent study, however, found no measurable difference in divorce rates between those who are "born again" and those who are not. 29 percent of Baptists have been divorced, compared to 21 percent of Catholics. Moreover, a staggering 23 percent of married born-agains have been divorced twice or more. Teen births? Again, the contrast is striking. In a state like Texas, where the religious right is extremely strong and the rhetoric against teenage sex is gale-force strong, the teen births as a percentage of all births is 16.1 percent. In liberal, secular, gay-friendly Massachusetts, it's 7.4, almost half. Marriage itself is less popular in Texas than in Massachusetts. In Texas, the percent of people unmarried is 32.4 percent; in Massachusetts, it's 26.8 percent. So even with a higher marriage rate, Massachusetts manages a divorce rate almost half of its "conservative" rival.

Or take abortion. America is one of the few Western countries where the legality of abortion is still ferociously disputed. It's a country where the religious right is arguably the strongest single voting bloc, and in which abortion is a constant feature of cultural politics. Compare it to a country like Holland, perhaps the epitome of socially liberal, relativist liberalism. So which country has the highest rate of abortion? It's not even close. America has an abortion rate of 21 abortions per 1,000 women aged between 15 and 44. Holland has a rate of 6.8. Americans, in other words, have three times as many abortions as the Dutch. Remind me again: which country is the most socially conservative?

Even a cursory look at the leading members of the forces of social conservatism in America reveals the same pattern. The top conservative talk-radio host, Rush Limbaugh, has had three divorces and an addiction to pain-killers. The most popular conservative television personality, Bill O'Reilly, just settled a sex harassment suit that indicated a highly active adulterous sex life. Bill Bennett, the guru of the social right, was for many years a gambling addict. Karl Rove's chief outreach manager to conservative Catholics for the last four years, Deal Hudson, also turned out to be a man with a history of sexual harassment. Bob Barr, the conservative Georgian congressman who wrote the "Defense of Marriage Act," has had three wives so far. The states which register the highest ratings for the hot new television show, "Desperate Housewives," are all Bush-states.

The complicated truth is that America truly is a divided and conflicted country. But it's a grotesque exaggeration to say that the split is geographical, or correlated with blue and red states. Many of America's biggest "sinners" are those most intent on upholding virtue. In fact, it may be partly because they know sin so close-up that they want to prevent its occurrence among others. And some of those states which have the most liberal legal climate - the Northeast and parts of the upper MidWest - are also, in practice, among the most socially conservative. To ascribe all this to "hypocrisy" seems to me too crude an explanation. America is simply a far more complicated and diverse place than crude red and blue divisions can explain.

It was blue long ago and turning blue now thanks to OBAMA THE HERO
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Happens all the time in politics, both sides do it, nothing new, move along.

I guess we'll see how the gov. responds this time. nm
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I guess we better all rememer your post, the next time
Double standard? Sheesh.

yeah and I guess you think next time M. Kadafi, Ahmadinejad
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She was in state politics at the time, not national politics......
how much foreign policy experience did Bill have when he went to the presidency having only been a governor? The same as Sarah Palin. Because he was concentrating on his job...the state of Arkansas (and Paula Jones and what was that stripper's name?). Sarah Palin was concentrating on the state of Alaska.

Good grief. lol. Why don't you poll all the governors in all the states in the union and ask them how much they think about foreign policy?

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You can have our federal money along with a new state motto: "Michigan - The Slave State". n
NM

blue:red
Likewise

Don't care if you are red, blue or in
grateful for today! Sure looks better than Friday!

I have Blue Shield, and can hardly get them
At least with national, I have a fighting chance to get to see a doctor.

Ole Tn girl myself also and I am a blue
dot in a red state right next to you now. Whereabouts in TN are you? I am glad to say my property taxes are going down this year from over 2,000 to 800- well I have become old enough they believe I no longer have children in public school so am finally getting a break. My property assessment comes out really close to the end of the year so will have some bubbly later on to celebrate. Long time coming!

Q. What�s black and blue and dead all over?

A. Anyone who dares to tell a joke about President Obama in public.

It's funny cause it's true...

But such a lovely blue folder!
What a bunch of whack jobs those Republicans are! I hear that there was a lovely picture of a windmill in the folder but no numbers. Now that's the kind of budget the Republicans can vote for!

Maybe the final Republican budget will be done as a pictorial, so their base can understand it without every having been taught to read.

Laws vary state-to-state

Many people were confined against their will just because someone wanted them "out of the way." These were normal people with no mental illness - that is why it is so difficult - don't blame the liberals. Blame your state.

CONFINING THE MENTALLY ILL

In the legal space between what a society should and should not do, taking action to restrict the liberty of people who are mentally ill sits in the grayest of gray areas.

Our notions about civil and constitutional rights flow from an assumption of "normalcy." Step beyond the boundaries and arrest and prison may legally follow. Short of that, government's ability to hold people against their will is severely and properly limited. Unusual behavior on the part of someone who is mentally ill is not illegal behavior. Freedom can't be snatched away on a whim, or on the thought that a person is hard to look at, hard to hear, hard to smell.

It was only a few decades ago that the promise of new medications and a change in attitude opened the doors of the mental hospitals and sent many patients into society. There, they would somehow "normalize" and join everyone else, supported by networks of out-patient facilities, job training, special living arrangements and regular, appropriate medication. But the transition has been imperfect, long and difficult.

In some parts of urban America there is little professional support for those with mental health problems. A new generation of drug and alcohol-fueled mental illness has come on the scene. People frequently end up on the street, un-medicated and exhibiting a full range of behaviors that are discomforting at the very least and threatening at their worst.

Spoken like a true blue member of the
Rah! Rah! Sis-boom-blah!

If they wear red, white and blue, they are not REQUIRED to
.

I hope he goes after Blue Shield - those crooks

White people with blue eyes caused this
According to Brazil's President "White people with blue eyes causes the economic crisis".

Glad I've got hazel eyes. Whew! Glad to know it's not my fault.

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She did rant when Bush was prez. Now everything is blue skies with a big pot'o'change
at the end of the rainbow!

I don't know what state you live in but in my state

they are adding police and only in the big cities do they have paid firemen. The rest are volunteers.

I look at it this way: If a state can't stay in the black, then they have to cut spending some place that wouldn't jeopardize the safety of the citizens. Threats of cutting essential services like Barney Fife stated today are unjustified. Cut the non-essential services first.

Our governor talks about cutting back on services, laying off government workers, which I think is a good idea because government is too big anyway, but then he turns around and spends more money on non-essential items. Doesn't make sense.

If you truly believe that, then move to....sm
Iran. You sound like our enemies, just like Iran's terrorist leader....

I'mADinnerJacket (correct pronunciation, btw) said basically the same thing at the UN yesterday:

"The American Empire is reading the end of its road"

Then move along......
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They can't move on s/m
Ayers is the best they've got against this man that McCain himself said was not a terrorist and that he was a good man. Sorry, it just doesn't square.

I think I just move over to the
'Gab board' and take some 'cooking lessons', so that I can profit out of these. Because I do not get any mental stimuli on this board, right now.

Please move then
.

Why don't you just move, then?
Please....

Another stupid move.
I see Bush has offered aid to the earthquake victims in Iran. He did this the morning after the quake. He really did not know there would be an earthquake in Iran, nor did anyone else, yet less than 24 hours after the quake he is offering aid to a country whose mouthpiece would like to blow us all to smithereens. I find it curious that it took Bush 3 or 4 days to realct to Katrina and we all knew that storm was coming for days and days and days. Although I sympathize with any victims of disasters, would it not benefit Bush and his party to aid our own country first. New Orleans is still a mess. They are still finding dead bodies, and he sends aid to, of all places, Iran. Someone explain this to me. I really don't get this.

You seriously, seriously need to move out of the country sm
with that way of thinking because I EARN my money, GREW UP ON WELFARE and absolutely refuse to be poor! I work my DAM* A** off every single day and those so called people you keep saying "need our help" with the use of my tax money can get a job just like I can.

I was also diagnosed with dyslexia while in grade school and that didn't stop me from living the American Dream.

Yes, I am a conservative because I don't want my hard-earned money to pay for those who can help themselves. And guess what??I don't even listen to Rush or Glen Beck, OR watch Oprah! I don't like any of those people! I like my freedom to earn my own money, buy my OWN health insurance and don't want Hillary, Obama, or even another Republican telling me that MY money should go to pay for YOUR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE PLAN!

I want my govt to protect me and my family, not pay for the woman down the street with no job on welfare or even pay for her kids health insurance. I have 3 kids myself. How come I can do it with my diagnosis and she can't??

I have an even grander idea. Why don't you, and all of your liberal friends who want to pay for national healthcare of GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS cut Uncle Sam a check every 2 weeks to pay for these programs and let me use my money to do with what I please......

MOVE TO CANADA
There you can enjoy their great health system.

Great, Maybe you should move there
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you have it all BACKWARDS, move on!
We all know that politics is a 'dirty' business. You said it yourself.
Why do you attack Obama and not McCain. They all have skeleton in the closet, some more, some less.
Actually, we all do, don't you?

Old news...move on!
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Then you prolly should move!
Elected fairly and democratically.

Oh, by the way, you might want to study up on the military chain of command! PRESIDENT Obama has meetings with Joint Chiefs of Staff - the chief of staff of each branch of the military. However, he has the final say in what goes as he is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES.

My Lord is in Heaven, of course he can't order the military - silly girl!

Obama says he wants to move

forward and yet all he does is bash the previous administration. Bush was no saint and he wasn't perfect but he wasn't all bad either.

Our history is full of things during war. How many presidents would have gone to jail if we really went back and investigated things that were done during war. You think it was okay to drop the bomb on Hiroshima and kill innocent people for miles and miles? Now you want Bush and Cheney's head on a platter for waterboarding terrorists to save American lives.....including yours?

The fact of the matter is that these so-called purely innocent dems, including Witch Pelosi, say they didn't know about it....which is a huge lie. They were briefed on it and said nothing. Just like the war in Iraq. Few rarely came out and said no and most dems voted for the war. Now they are all crying and screaming about the big bad Bush and his war in Iraq.

Obama is nothing but a puppet and a liar. I wonder if you Obama lovers will still keep praising him when the prices to everything goes up, you can't afford to go to work because of gas prices, and your utility bills are so high you can't afford them. Will you still blame Bush or will you actually accept the fact that Barry, the guy who promised no increase taxes for 95% of Americans, is the cause for these high prices when he taxes the crap out of all of us with cap-and-trade. Give me a break. The evidence is right in front of you if you would turn off MSNBC and actually get a clue.

As for terrorists....it is just a matter of time before they strike again. That is what they do.

If you do not like what I write, MOVE ON.
Your own words. Stick to it and do as you preach.

Why don't you just move for at least the next 8 years?
Please....

Don't you just love the way they try to dictate how/where WE move
on our own board? What a bunch of kooks!

Wish I could move out of terror country
Sweetheart, if I knew I could move to another country and get a job, even minimum wage, live in peace without knowing I live in the major terrorist country of the world with the most low IQ dufus president America has ever had..you bet I would be out of here in a NY heart beat..

Um, why should we scary liberals move
and leave OUR great country to be further ruined by judgemental, ignorant "conservatives"

hasn't your pal Bush and the GOP done *enough* to ruin this country in the past 8 years?

GOT A NEWS BULLETIN FOR YA: A TINY TINY AMOUNT OF "your money" goes to help those LESS FORTUNATE THAN YOU, while a HUGE amount goes to pay for fake wars like the one in Iraq that has cost us ALL nearly A TRILLION DOLLARS.

You appear to begrudge help for the poor but don't protest the bloodbath that *you* are paying for?!!

Please conservative and liberals alike: GET A CLUE!

You are FUNDING AN ILLEGAL IMMORAL WAR ABROAD and rebuilding THEIR country, while those in need HERE continue to suffer.

protest IS patriotic.

we're over. Suck it up and move on.
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Hoping you and Bill M. move there first,
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Whoa! Nice move there sm
In a below post you stated that Obama had voted against the new GI bill. I posted a website that would directly link you to the US Senate voting record for that bill which, by the way, does show a big Yea for Obama. Your response was "the facts, just the facts," and that people on this board are obsessed with that (I'm assuming the facts). And now you post some BS from Fox News? Unreal.

You have made your point, move on.nm
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Need a job? Move to Saskatchewan, Canada. Why?
OIL AND CHEAPER GOVERNMENT TAXES. Didn't McCain want to start oil producing here in our own country? Look what it is doing for Saskatchewan. Dang it. An area of our own country could have been like Saskatchewan and instead, we are building a train track from LA to Las Vegas and other STUFF which will soon be out of jobs again down the road.

CNN) -- Normally, "hot spot" isn't the first phrase that comes to mind when talking about Saskatchewan, Canada.

A relocation service company president said he is moving more people to Saskatechwan than ever before.

1 of 3 But with most of Canada suffering from devastating job losses, this cold province is becoming exactly that.

It's an asterisk to the entire country when it comes to the economic climate, and Premier Brad Wall is shouting it as loud as he can.

"It's a great time to come to Saskatchewan," said Wall, who even called the Toronto Star newspaper to tout his province's economic success and let Ontarians know there were jobs for the taking.

"For those who are losing their jobs, we need them to know we have thousands of jobs open right now in both the private and public sector," Wall said. "We have a powerful story to tell, a story of success and that's something we want to share with those who are struggling."

Wall's province is one of the exceptions to the unemployment increases battering provinces across Canada. Saskatchewan's unemployment rate fell to 4.1 percent in January from 4.2 percent in December, making it the only province recording a decline. In Ontario and the city of Toronto, unemployment rates rose to 7.2 percent and 8.5 percent respectively. To the west, British Columbia shed 68,000 full-time jobs in January.

More Saskatchewan jobs should be on the way. To stave off any possible recession, Wall announced a $500 million infrastructure "booster shot" to help keep the economy strong. Learn more about different towns in Saskatchewan �

"All across the country, industries are getting quite ill," Wall said. "We aren't immune to it. We see some impacts in terms of layoffs and new vehicle purchases slowing off, and so we want to be proactive in staying ahead of the curve."

On Tuesday, the Conference Board of Canada released a report that said Saskatchewan will likely continue to lead the nation in economic growth in 2009 because of the infrastructure investment and tax reductions.

Saskatoon temperatures
Average January temperature:
-16.4 C (2.5 F)
High: -11.1 C (12 F)
Low: -21.6 C (-7 F)

Average July temperature:
18.3 C (65 F)
High: 25 C (77 F)
Low: 11.5 C (52.7 F)
Source: Environment Canada The province has also been reaping the benefits of an influx from nearby Alberta. When the government in Alberta decided to raise the oil royalty rates, oil exploration and expedition companies decided to move their operations to Saskatchewan in hopes of making more money.

With the province's growing opportunities, David Montgomery, president of Calgary's Qwest Haven Relocation Services, said he is moving more people to Saskatchewan each day.

"Alberta has always been the gravy train of oil," said Montgomery, who is also a former resident of Regina, the capitol and second-largest city in Saskatchewan. "But with the new royalties, oil companies are saying 'Why stay here and make less when the opportunities right next door are even better?' Many other companies may start to follow suit."

Montgomery said people looking to move have said that cheaper land and insurance prices are among the other reasons they are headed to Saskatchewan.

"There, government insurance is cheaper than anywhere else in the country and it comes with your license plates," he said. "With the amount of jobs, cheaper opportunities and great way of life, the government there has made it very attractive to move there."

That means more business for Wall's province and more jobs coming to the area.

Not that there's a shortage of jobs. On Tuesday night there were nearly 6,000 private- and public-sector jobs on the Web site Saskjobs.com.

A constant stream of revenue from oil production and exports also buoys the economy in the province.

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Saskatchewan is the largest producer of oil in Canada and exports more oil to the United States than Kuwait. It is the leader in uranium production and produces a third of the world's potash.

The province continues to keep ahead of the curve, Wall said, finding ways to diversify its resources and embark on ambitious green projects and new oil projects. The province is working with Montana on a $212 million climate change initiative that would create the first major greenhouse gas storage project in North America. The carbon dioxide from coal-fueled power plants would be stored in the ground in Montana and later be withdrawn for use in oil production.

Wall also said what may be the largest discovery of sweet, light crude oil in the southeast part of the province means it could have even more oil to work with. The Bakken Formation could potentially have 413 billion barrels of oil, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. That would be another huge untapped revenue gold mine.

Despite the growth of nearly all sectors across the board, Wall cautioned that it is possible his province may see economic stress, just later in the game than other places.

"We need to be circumspect and prudent about promoting our province," he said. "We are not immune; we do see the impacts. It isn't some sort of panacea or answer to economic questions that don't exist elsewhere. We are a bit of an asterisk that says there is some stress, but it's relatively calm here."

Wall encouraged people not to count out a move to the province based on stereotypes that it is "only winter here," and "all of the land is just rolling hills."

"'It's a beautiful, big place where life is great and right now there's also opportunity," he said. "I'm very, very biased, but I can't imagine a place I'd rather be, especially with what's going on economically around the world."