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Govt backing of stem cell research

Posted By: Liberal2 on 2006-10-29
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I want stem cell research to go forward to help those with devastating illnesses.  I do not want the embryos to be thrown away but rather put to good use.  I really do not care what people with the opposite position say.  This is my position and in my mind and heart and soul it is the right position.  I care more for those who are already alive.


In a democracy, the majority rules and the majority of Americans want stem cell research to move forward with government backing.  The debate, as far as I am concerned, is over.  I am for it, others are not.  Whether it is approved within the next two years or when finally a democratic president, who makes judgments and decisions fairly and based on what the people want and not what God has told him/her, it will be a reality within a few years.




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stem cell research
Well, God help you if any of your family gets struck down with a debilitating disease that could be helped with stem cell research
Here's my reasoning on stem cell research
It's not been made illegal, it's simply not funded with federal money, i.e. taxpayers money.  The pendulum has swung so far to the other side.  There are lots of people who have serious objections to abortions and also stem cell research, because of their objection to using live embryos.  People who want abortions have them paid for by people who don't believe in them.  That's unfair.  So, let the private market do the stem cell research and leave the taxpayers out of it.  If you feel very strongly about it, donate your own money to those doing it in the private market.
I don't support stem cell research.
It will never see a dime of my money if I can help it.
Stem Cell Research - First Veto...sm
Stem Cell Bill Gets Bush's First Veto

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 20, 2006; Page A04

President Bush issued the first veto of his five-year-old administration yesterday, rejecting Congress's bid to lift funding restrictions on human embryonic stem cell research and underscoring his party's split on an emotional issue in this fall's elections.

At a White House ceremony where he was joined by children produced from what he called adopted frozen embryos, Bush said taxpayers should not support research on surplus embryos at fertility clinics, even if they offer possible medical breakthroughs and are slated for disposal.



Stem cell research breakthrough

Just read this on Comcast.  Thought I would share.  Very intesting and exciting stuff!


http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/general/2007/11/20/Stem.Cells/?cvqh=itn_stemcell


 


Stem cell research has started
I am so glad to see this has started. I know there must be loads of people who suffer maladies including strokes, spinal cord injuries and many, many more who have been waiting to start testing. I am very glad this has been overturned- now to get down to more business!
I'm conflicted about stem cell research.
I'm for it as long as there are limitations with how they get the stem cells - do they come from aborted babies? That I would have a problem with.

I don't have cancer, but there is a genetic background in my family for several different types, as well as muscular dystrophy, so I'm all for stem cell research as long as there are guidelines that are followed and Obama or any other president needs to make those guidelines clear.
Stem cell research has no proven cure rate.
I remember years and years ago when animal experimentation was being protested.  I saw this fellow who was a soap opera actor.  He was crying and crying because they wanted to stop torturing animals to find cures.  His son had diabetes and he said they were THIS CLOSE to finding a cure.  that had to be at least 25 years ago.  Millions of animals have died and there is no cure for diabetes.  So when does it end? 
Senator Frist Now Backs Funcing for Stem Cell Research

 Finally!  A neocon wants to save life AFTER it's born, too!


 July 29, 2005


Veering From Bush, Frist Backs Funding for Stem Cell Research


WASHINGTON, July 29 - In a break with President Bush, the Senate Republican leader, Bill Frist, has decided to support a bill to expand federal financing for embryonic stem cell research, a move that could push it closer to passage and force a confrontation with the White House, which is threatening to veto the measure.

Mr. Frist, a heart-lung transplant surgeon who said last month that he did not back expanding financing " P nonetheless.< bill the supports he work, for financing taxpayer on limits strict placed which policy, four-year-old Bush?s Mr. altering about reservations had while that said He speech. Senate lengthy a in morning this decision his announced juncture,? at>

"While human embryonic stem cell research is still at a very early stage, the limitations put in place in 2001 will, over time, slow our ability to bring potential new treatments for certain diseases," Mr. Frist said. "Therefore, I believe the president's policy should be modified."


His speech received the approval of Democrats as well as Republicans.


"I admire the majority leader for doing this," Senator Harry Reid, the minority leader and Democrat of Nevada, said immediately after the speech. He and Senator Dick Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, said Mr. Frist's stance would give hope to people everywhere.


Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, contending they were discussing "the difference between life and death," said of Mr. Frist, "I believe the speech that he has just made on the Senate floor is the most important speech made this year, and perhaps the most important speech made in years."


He added: "This is a speech that will reverberate around the world, including at the White House."


Scott McClellan, Mr. Bush's chief spokesman, said Mr. Frist had told Mr. Bush in advance notice of his planned announcement. "The president said, "You've got to vote your conscience," Mr. McClellan said, according to The Associated Press.


"The president's made his position clear," Mr. McClellan said when asked if Mr. Bush would veto a pending bill that would liberalize federal support for stem cell research, The A.P. reported. "There is a principle involved here from the president's standpoint when it comes to issues of life."


Mr. Frist's move will undoubtedly change the political landscape in the debate over embryonic stem cell research, one of the thorniest moral issues to come before Congress. The chief House sponsor of the bill, Representative Michael N. Castle, Republican of Delaware, said, "His support is of huge significance."


The stem cell bill has passed the House but is stalled in the Senate, where competing measures are also under consideration. Because Mr. Frist's colleagues look to him for advice on medical matters, his support for the bill could break the Senate logjam. It could also give undecided Republicans political license to back the legislation, which is already close to having the votes it needs to pass the Senate.


The move could also have implications for Mr. Frist's political future. The senator is widely considered a potential candidate for the presidency in 2008, and supporting an expansion of the policy will put him at odds not only with the White House but also with Christian conservatives, whose support he will need in the race for the Republican nomination. But the decision could also help him win support among centrists.


"I am pro-life," Mr. Frist said in the speech, arguing that he could reconcile his support for the science with his own Christian faith. "I believe human life begins at conception."


But at the same time, he said, "I also believe that embryonic stem cell research should be encouraged and supported."


Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian group, said today in a statement that Senator Frist's decision was "very disappointing but not a surprise," given the senator's previous testimonies advocating stem cell research.


"As a heart surgeon who knows that adult stem cells are already making huge progress in treating heart disease in humans, it is unfortunate that Sen. Frist would capitulate to the biotech industry," Mr. Perkins said. "Thankfully, the White House has forcefully promised to hold the ethical line and veto any legislation that would expand the president's current policy."


Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, also objected to Mr. Frist's decision and alluded to its political impact. "Senator Frist cannot have it both ways," he said, according to The A.P. "He cannot be pro-life and pro-embryonic stem cell funding. Nor can he turn around and expect widespread endorsement from the pro-life community if he should decide to run for president in 2008."


Backers of the research were elated. "This is critically important," said Larry Soler, a lobbyist for the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation. "The Senate majority leader, who is also a physician, is confirming the real potential of embryonic stem cell research and the need to expand the policy."


Mr. Frist, who was instrumental in persuading President Bush to open the door to the research four years ago, has been under pressure from all sides of the stem cell debate. Some of his fellow Senate Republicans, including Orrin G. Hatch of Utah and Mr. Specter, who is the lead Senate sponsor of the House bill, have been pressing him to bring up the measure for consideration.


"I know how he has wrestled with this issue and how conscientious he is in his judgment," Mr. Specter said today. "His comments will reverberate far and wide."


But with President Bush vowing to veto it - it would be his first veto - other Republicans have been pushing alternatives that could peel support away from the House bill.


Last week Mr. Castle accused the White House and Mr. Frist of "doing everything in their power to deflect votes away from" the bill. On Thursday night, Mr. Castle said he had written a letter to Mr. Frist just that morning urging him to support the measure. "His support of this makes it the dominant bill," he said.


Despite Mr. Frist's speech, a vote on the bill is not likely to occur before September because the Congress is scheduled to adjourn this weekend for the August recess.


With proponents of the various alternatives unable to agree on when and how to bring them up for consideration, Mr. Frist says he will continue to work to bring up all the bills, so that senators can have a "serious and thoughtful debate."


Human embryonic stem cells are considered by scientists to be the building blocks of a new field of regenerative medicine. The cells, extracted from human embryos, have the potential to grow into any type of tissue in the body, and advocates for patients believe they hold the potential for treatments and cures for a range of diseases, from juvenile diabetes to Alzheimer's disease.


"Embryonic stem cells uniquely hold some promise for specific cures that adult stem cells just cannot provide," Mr. Frist said.


But the cells cannot be obtained without destroying human embryos, which opponents of the research say is tantamount to murder. "An embryo is nascent human life," Mr. Frist said in his speech, adding: "This position is consistent with my faith. But, to me, it isn't just a matter of faith. It's a fact of science."


On Aug. 9, 2001, in the first prime-time speech of his presidency, Mr. Bush struck a compromise: he said the government would pay only for research on stem cell colonies, or lines, created by that date, so that the work would involve only those embryos "where the life or death decision has already been made."


The House-passed bill would expand that policy by allowing research on stem cell lines extracted from frozen embryos, left over from fertility treatments, that would otherwise be discarded. Mr. Castle has said he believes the bill meets the president's guidelines because the couples creating the embryos have made the decision to destroy them.


In his speech, Mr. Frist seemed to adopt that line of reasoning, harking back to a set of principles he articulated in July 2001, before the president made his announcement, in which he proposed restricting the number of stem cell lines without a specific cutoff date. At the time, he said the government should pay for research only on those embryos "that would otherwise be discarded" and today he similarly supported studying only those "destined, with 100 percent certainty, to be destroyed."


Moreover, he said, "Such funding should be provided only within a comprehensive system of federal oversight."


After Mr. Bush made his 2001 announcement, it was believed that as many as 78 lines would be eligible for federal money. "That has proven not to be the case," Mr. Frist said. "Today, only 22 lines are eligible."


But, Mr. Frist says the Castle bill has shortcomings. He says it "lacks a strong ethical and scientific oversight mechanism," does not prohibit financial incentives between fertility clinics and patients, and does not specify whether the patients or the clinic staff have a say over whether embryos are discarded. He also says the bill "would constrain the ability of policy makers to make adjustments in the future."


Mr. Frist also says he supports some of the alternative measures, including bills that would promote research on so-called adult stem cells and research into unproven methods of extracting stem cells without destroying human embryos.


"Cure today may be just a theory, a hope, a dream," he said in conclusion today. "But the promise is powerful enough that I believe this research deserves our increased energy and focus. Embryonic stem cell research must be supported. It's time for a modified policy - the right policy for this moment in time."


Jennifer Bayot and Shadi Rahimi contributed reporting for this article from New York.





Michael J Fox admits he did not read the Missouri stem cell initiate. sm
This is exactly what I am talking about.  He has no idea what the stem cell initiative says about cloning.  But he is *quite sure* he would support it anyway.  Frightening.
The govt isn't taking over the car companies. Govt
has to be involved in getting our cars to run efficiently using little or no gasoline.  Get it!  Oil companies are not going to give up their golden egg, and we CANNOT be dependent on foreign oil, keep giving OPEC 700B a year, that simple!  Give them a chance to get booted up and running to get energy-efficient autos. It's not going to happen overnight.  We have wasted 30 long years since the last energy crisis in which Carter tried to get off oil, but oil companies put the kibosh on it, after all, oil runs this country.
What surprised me about the backing was
it was on a very, very conservative talk radio, same station that sean Hannity, Neal Bortz on- in fact it was during the Neal Bortz show that this was heard. I was surprised to hear it, much less there so when you say where I supposedly heard it, you are way, way off. As far as the tea party, I had not watched the channels you mentioned in some time. I watch local from Atlanta and none of those channels played it up, neither Fox or the others. That day on all local channels in Atlanta only about 5 minute coverage then. I flipped that day between the others, CNN, MSMBC, Fox and the like and Fox was the only 1 to have it anything on.
But he's backing Hillary Clinton
Can you explain that?
Relax kiddo.........I was backing you up
Obviously you didn't see it that way. My point was that Palin has the dems running scared as well as the liberal media and they are coming out swinging with every hateful thing they have!! They see her as a truly formidable component and they DON'T like it!
Evidently, better than you do. I'm backing the winner,
Better luck next time. Do us all a favor and nominate Failin/Bailin/Palin in 2012.
Not backing McCain....just hate to know a low life
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Evil is arming Saddam and backing a war against
an enemy (in this case Khomeini's new Islamic regime) without understanding what you are doing or giving a rip about the consequences. Evil is turning around when you have no more use for the spent puppet because he went all rogue on you, assumed his own power and had the gall to defy you by controlling his own resources and proceeding to launch into impotent attempt to weaken his standing and power and bring him down, as though you are the king of the universe. Having failed that, evil is building a case for war based on lies (with the exception of the WMDs you had supplied him with 2 decades earlier), flaunting international protocol, lying to your own citizens and waging an imperial war because you do not have a clue how to solve your own problems without carnage and bloodshed. Evil is propping up a reviled, fascist apartheid state whose occupation of an entire indigenous people has been the root of the rise of the terrorism you so vehemently condemn. Evil is not being big enough to recognize your own weaknesses, take responsibility for your own screw-ups, turn a page and try other more peaceful and productive approaches to the mess you have created. Evil is manipulating your own citizens into believing your lies and propaganda for decades on end, claiming the moral high ground and turning a blind eye to the death, destruction, pain, suffering and humanitarian crises in a region you seek to control that has never and will never belong to you.
Post just ONE example, with links, backing up your assertions. nm
nm
Would you mind posting a few links backing up you claim
Your posts are positively imbicilic.
Is the new legislature talking about stem cells of aborted fetuses?...sm
Because I am a pro-life liberal. I don't rattle any cages about what other people chose to do with their bodies because I believe 90% of the time a person who choses to abort will not be a good parent anyway and will probably do worse to the child once outside the womb. Yes, I do believe a horid life can be worse than death before full development. The child will more than likely be in abject poverty, social and mental deprivation, and on and on. But more importantly, I think people should be more responsible to not get pregnant in the first place when they don't want kids.

Having said all that we do live in an age where abortion is legal, and like I said if they are going to dispose of the fetus anyway, why not use the stem cells to give hope to a Christopher Reeves of the world.

Now, when you talk about cloning and reproducing parts and such I'm not agreeing with that. That's taking it too far IMHO.
Stem Cells - I can't think of one reason why they should throw the extra cells away, rather than sav
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Oh, God! Well, the govt is actually us,
nm
Please tell me exactly how the govt
packaged derivatives down the throats of the lenders. I am extraordinarily curious.
What next....you want govt to tell you how much sun
nm
Right. and MORE govt involvement is just asking for
nm
Yep, we will soon be prisoners of our own govt.
nm
If the govt. is going to let my job go to India, they can
"I'll take that in $20's, please."
LOL. SHE will spend too much in govt?
nm
According to Obama. He wants to Govt to run
nm
Look what the Govt did to Soc. Security.
nm
Okay, so the last thing we need is a Govt
nm
Why should the govt be able to tell people what to eat?
Ya'll are always saying less government, then why should they be able to monitor what people eat? You think just because you are on welfare then you should be required to be a healthy eater? That is ridiculous!

Why should the govt be able to control part of your life and not all of your life?
Because the govt now owns 80% of AIG

So what are you saying?  That it is fair for them to admit incompetence, whine for help and take the people's money, but its nobody's business what they spend it on?  Corporate welfare has got to stop!


This is no different than if a relative came begging for help making their house payment, you gave it to them, then instead they blew it on caviar and a cruise - and expected/demanded more money from you in the future.  Would you feel you had the right then to tell them what to do with it?  Or would you refuse to give them another cent and let them crash and burn?


In this society, when an individual admits their incompetence and declares (or has concerned others prove) they are unable to handle their affairs, they are made a ward of the court with a guardian or a committee of guardians to tell them what to do with their money and their lives.  This is not a temporary situation (such as individual welfare is supposed to be), the government has more huge payments to AIG scheduled.   Yes, there should be strings attached to the money - BIG ones.


Yet Another Govt Assessment
High confidence: Military experience is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups and self-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes. Extremist leaders seek to recruit members with military experience in order to exploit their discipline, knowledge of firearms, explosives, and tactical skills and access to weapons and intelligence.

Although individuals with military backgrounds constitute a small percentage of white supremacist extremists, they frequently occupy leadership roles within extremist groups and their involvement has the potential to reinvigorate an
extremist movement suffering from loss of leadership and in-fighting during the post-9/11 period.

http://file.sunshinepress.org:54445/fbi-military-nazis-2008.pdf
Of course dear! Don't ya know govt ALWAYS knows what's
nm
If you want to just hand your paycheck to the govt.
Then by all means...support government funded healthcare! Nothing is free, and personally I would like the discretion on when and where to by my health ins. This country...or should I say it's people cannot afford healthcare for everyone. Look at Canada and look at the U.K. Their socialized healthcare stinks. People are dying waiting to get treatment. Besides, if we go to socialized healthcare then where are the Canadians and British going to come for quality health care like they are doing now? Do you know that if you have advanced stages of any diseases in these countries that the governments are starting to deny care to them? You don't get a choice. The government decides that you die! Pretty sad if you ask me.

"What's good enough for congress is good enough for me?"

Hardly....
Exactly! BIG Govt is not a good thing!
nm
Your "HOPE" may just come true. and the govt
nm
it's too bad neither govt party realizes

Yeah, look at the success the govt has been with
nm
The new govt will be worse. BIGGER.
nm
Down through the ages, the US has been a secular govt.
has been upheld in countless court challenges and it is a given in the civilized world, last time I checked.

Since the beginning of time, human beings have elaborated their cultures through differences in individual appearance (style/fashion), family and social structures, community organization, economy, law, government, nationality, language and religions. They will continue to do that until the end of time. Your gloom and doom prognostications of world government and world religion are too ridiculous to address to any further extent.
Could be, but it's their decision to make, not yours, not the govt
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govt job programs/CETA

My first real job some 30 years ago was a CETA job. That was Comprehensive Employment and Training Act. This was doing medical transcription for a county health department.  I worked as a CETA employee for a year, they trained me and paid me, and I have worked in transcription for 30 years, of course moving on to hospital stuff. Made big bucks for quite a few years and now here I am, strangely enough, I think back to the same money I made all those years ago.  You've got to keep your sense of humor. 


 


   


It provides GOVT jobs! -Who pays for that?
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Dems want the Govt to take care of them.
nm
What is scary is having a govt so big it can control
nm
Yep!..and people currently on Govt-funded
nm
An expect those govt officials not to have their...sm
"liquid lunches?" Are you kidding me? Alcohol won't be regulated - all the suitmakers around the DC area just wait for those beer- and scotch-bellied officials to order a new suit!

However, I do hear that AR just passed a new, higher tax and that most people are crossing over into MO to get their smokes???
Remember the fuss over the govt promoting...
marriage?  How about if the govt. funds an education program for women contemplating abortion, actually showing these ignorant 14-year-olds what is actually growing inside them at every stage of pregnancy, just so they're fully informed before they make their decision.  Would you support that?  I bet not.  Planned Parenthood doesn't want anybody to really know ALL the facts.  And you'd be the first one to complain about your tax dollars going to something you don't believe in.  And I'm NOT opposed to stem cell research, just respectful of others.  The job will get done privately and probably more efficiently than if it were run by the govt., just like everything else.
You really think all govt officials have the media in attendance at all their...sm
meetings with other leaders?


It happens all the time.


Sheesh. You make a big deal because it's her. Never a big deal when it's other politicians.


So one-sided and obviously blatantly hypocritical.


Everyone just wants to hop aboard the Palin bashing. It's neverending.