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side to the Iraq war.  What are the successes?  I am only asking because I want what you think are the successes.  Not bashing your opinion, just curious.  Because, I see no success in the thousands and thousands of deaths of our military and the civilians. 

I know I will get bashed about this but...  It just seems like we have enough going on in our own country that nobody is doing anything about.  We have wars here every day, many of us don't see it first hand because of where we live but go into any big city and you will realize it the wars kids have to avoid or fight just to stay alive.  I just wish Bush and Congress would pour more money into our fights and problems like they did in Iraq.  Maybe I am being selfish when I saw that I think our people should come first.

that RINOs finally declare their true party and leave room in the Republican party for true Republicans.  And Specter has, in an uncharacteristic moment of honesty (or senility,) illustrated the fact that every politician considers his first duty to be getting re-elected.  I hope that Specter gets soundly unpantsed in the next primary - as a Democrat.  That would truly put the icing on the cake. 

And about Specter, isn't it about time for this guy to retire?  He is a great example of the 'senator for life' syndrome. 

The Republican party put forth a very poor presidential candidate in 2008.  Maybe they learned from that experience and will return to more a conservative party line.  So if a few RINOs jump ship here and there, I think that's excellent.

Read this article closely:

Describing George W. Bush as the most stupid president in U.S. history, the Al Qaeda leader reached out to the Muslim world and said his group was winning faster than expected in Iraq.

The U.S. president's policy had enabled the militant group to achieve their goal of fighting more Americans, said the Al Qaeda leader.

We call the lame duck (Bush) not to hurry up in escaping the same way the defense minister did, he said, referring to the removal of Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary following the Democrats' victory in Midterm elections.

They are getting ready to leave, because they are no longer capable of staying, the Al Qaeda leader said.

Remain steadfast in the battlefield you coward, he called on the U.S president.

If this does not chill your blood, with all due respect, there is something terribly wrong.  These people are focused on the destruction of the United States.  They get their information from the New York Times and CNN,  and they are heartened that the majority of this country who voted espouse the cut and run theory on Iraq.  They seek to divide us from within and for the country to turn on the President (and they have done that successfully it would seem).  They think (and it would appear that they are right in many cases) that the US as a whole has no stomach for the fight.  In their eyes, we are weak and not willing to fight for what we believe in like they are, and in their eyes that makes us cowards.  We are in a WAR, yes a WAR, like no other.  And if you do not think us pulling out of Iraq prematurely will not fire the jihad you are very sadly mistaken.  They will view it as a major victory and I shudder to think what will follow it.  The very reason we have not had more major attacks on our soil, in my opinion, is that these people, with all their bluster, are afraid of George Bush and what he might do.  They are afraid that if they pull something like that again Iraq might be a walk in the park and would mean even more American boots on the ground in places they don't want them.  They just can't be sure of what the US might do under his leadership, and that is why they are biding their time.  If we get a dovish adminstration, it could, and most likely would, get ugly real fast.  All it will take is the first (and probably homegrown) jihadist to blow himself up in a mall somewhere and take several innocent American lives with him....and then it will be too late.  It could happen, do not think for a moment it could not.  They want dead Americans.  They would prefer dead American citizens on our own ground.  They prefer the cowardly fight.  They do not prefer having to face our military.  But they will, because they are dedicated to their belief, no matter how perverse it is, while all the time trying to get back on the playing field they prefer...cowardly suicide attacks.  We will learn what Israel has had to live with for years, the hard way.  Do you see where I am going with this?  We NEED for them to remain afraid of what we might do if they start something like that.  We need for them to respect our willingness to stand toe-to-toe for what we believe in.  We need to demonstrate that we are willing to do so and not waver.  We need to demonstrate a belief in our country and our way of life as strong as theirs is.  We are already wavering as a country, and we need to suck it up and stand up straight again.  It is time to wake up.  We are not acting as the World police in Iraq.  We are in a fight for our survival, the survival of a free country where we are not afraid to go into a mall or get in a car or go anywhere we wish without fear of suicide bombers, car bombs, being grabbed off the street and found without a head a week later.  We do not need to join the  hunker down and be quiet and maybe they will leave us alone club.  That does not work.  They are not going to leave us alone.  No one is safe, for these people there is only one way....their way.  They are not going to stop and go quietly away.  That should be patently obvious.  This is the most important issue that faces us.  None of the rest of it will matter if we lose in Iraq.  Take a moment to look at history, all the precursors of 9-11.   Had we not gone into Iraq, and swept yet another incident under the rug (with Khobar Towers, the Cole, the Achille Lauro, Tanzania, Somalia, and on and on and on) there is no telling where we would be right now or what other awful things might have occurred.  For those of you who cannot grasp that, who think that if we pull out of Iraq and pander to these people that everything will be all right....God help you.  God help us all.

We are "voice experts" if you will with all of the work we do.  That is most definitely his voice.

Just because there is no video does not mean he didn't say it.

Please listen to it along with other interviews.  It is most certainly him.

    Friday 14 October 2005

    When the possibility of far-reaching war crimes and crimes against humanity exists, people of conscience have a solemn responsibility to inquire into the nature and scope of these acts and to determine if they do in fact rise to the level of war crimes and crimes against humanity. That is the mission of the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity. The first session will be held October 21-22 in New York City. This tribunal will, with care and rigor, present evidence and assess whether George W. Bush and his administration have committed crimes against humanity. Well-established international law will be referenced where applicable, but the tribunal will not be limited by the scope of existing international law.

    The tribunal will deliberate on four categories of indictable crimes: 1) Wars of Aggression, with particular reference to the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. 2) Torture and Indefinite Detention, with particular reference to the abandonment of international standards concerning the treatment of prisoners of war and the use of torture. 3) Destruction of the Global Environment, with particular reference to systematic policies contributing to the catastrophic effects of global warming. 4) Attacks on Global Public Health and Reproductive Rights, with particular reference to the genocidal effects of forcing international agencies to promote abstinence only in the midst of a global AIDS epidemic.

    The Commission's jury of conscience will be composed of internationally respected jurists and legal scholars, prominent voices of conscience, and experts and monitors in relevant fields. The tribunal's legitimacy is derived from its integrity, its rigor in the presentation of evidence, and the stature of its participants. Representatives of the Bush administration will be invited to present a defense.

    Prior to the meeting of the Commission, teams with sufficient expertise will prepare preliminary indictments in each of the four areas, setting forth the scope of the Bush administration's actions and how they contravene legal and moral norms for international behavior. At the meeting of the Commission, there will be four prosecution teams that organize the presentation of the evidence. This evidence will be documents as well as eyewitness testimony by victims and observers of the crimes alleged. The formal proceedings will be held in a public venue and all attempts will be made to publicize and broadcast its deliberations internationally. The Commission's jury of conscience will come to verdicts and its findings will be published.

    The holding of this tribunal will frame and fuel a discussion that is urgently needed in the United States: Is the administration of George W. Bush guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity? The Commission will conduct its work with a deep sense of responsibility to the people of the world.

    The Commission is sponsored by the Not In Our Name statement of conscience, joined by the following individuals and organizations:

• James Abourezk, former United States Senator
  
  
  
• As'ad AbuKhalil, professor of politics & public administration, California State University-Stanislaus
  
  
  
• Dirk Adriaensens, Brussells Tribunal executive committee and coordinator SOS Iraq
  
  
  
• Dr. Nadje al-Ali, social anthropologist at the University of Exeter, founding member of Act Together: Women's Action on Iraq  and member Women in Black UK
  
  
  
• Anthony Alessandrini, organizer with the World Tribunal on Iraq and New York University Students for Justice in Palestine
  
  
  
• Edward Asner
  
  
  
• Russell Banks, novelist
  
  
  
• The Rev. Luis Barrios, Ph.D., associate professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice & Anglican Priest
  
  
  
• Amy Bartholomew, professor of law at Carleton University
  
  
  
• Greg Bates, Common Courage Press
  
  
  
• Phyllis Bennis, Institute for Policy Studies
  
  
  
• Michael S. Berg, grieving father of Nick Berg killed in Iraq May 7, 2004, and one man for Peace
  
  
  
• Ayse Berktay, from the organizing team of the World Tribunal on Iraq
  
  
  
• William Blum, author of Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II and Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
  
  
  
• Francis Boyle, author of Destroying World Order and professor at the University of Illinois College of Law
  
  
  
• Jean Bricmont, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and executive vice president of National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• Lieven De Cauter, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Patrick Deboosere, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Michael Eric Dyson
  
  
  
• Peter Erlinder, William Mitchell College of Law and lead defense counsel, United Nations Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, Arusha, Tanzania
  
  
  
• Larry Everest, author of Oil, Power & Empire: Iraq and the U.S. Global Agenda and Behind the Poison Cloud: Union Carbide's Bhopal Massacre
  
  
  
• Richard Falk, professor emeritus of International Law, Princeton, and Visiting Professor in Global and International Studies, UC-Santa Barbara
  
  
  
• Thomas M. Fasy, MD, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York City
  
  
  
• Lawrence Ferlinghetti, member, American Academy of Arts & Letters and founder & editor in chief, City Lights Books, San Francisco
  
  
  
• Ted Glick, former coordinator, Independent Progressive Politics Network
  
  
  
• Dr. Elaine C. Hagopian, former president of Association of Arab-American University Graduates (AAUG) and primary founder of the Trans-Arab Research Institute (TARI)
  
  
  
• Sam Hamill, director, Poets Against War
  
  
  
• International Movement for a Just World (JUST), Malaysia
  
  
  
• Abdeen Jabara, past president, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
  
  
  
• Dahr Jamail, U.S. independent journalist who has reported extensively from Iraq since the invasion
  
  
  
• C. Clark Kissinger, contributing writer for Revolution and initiator of the Not In Our Name statement of conscience
  
  
  
• The Reverend Doctor Earl Kooperkamp, Rector, St. Mary's Episcopal Church, West Harlem, New York City
  
  
  
• Joel Kovel, editor-in-chief, Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Quarterly Journal of Socialist Ecology, and author of The Enemy of Nature
  
  
  
• Jesse Lemisch, professor of history emeritus, John Jay College of Criminal Justice
  
  
  
• Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine and author of The Left Hand of God: Taking Back America from the Religious Right
  
  
  
• New Jersey Civil Rights Defense Committee
  
  
  
• New Jersey Workers Democracy Network
  
  
  
• National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• National Lawyers Guild, San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
  
  
  
• Rev. Davidson Loehr, Ph.D., First Unitarian Universalist Church of Austin, Texas
  
  
  
• Robert Meeropol, Executive Director, Rosenberg Fund for Children
  
  
  
• Barbara Olshansky, deputy legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author of Secret Trials and Executions
  
  
  
• James Petras, professor emeritus of sociology at Binghamton University, New York
  
  
  
• Jeremy Pikser, screenwriter
  
  
  
• Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author with Ellen Ray of Guantanamo: What the World Should Know
  
  
  
• Stephen F. Rohde, civil liberties lawyer and co-founder of Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace
  
  
  
• Marc Sapir MD, MPH, co-convener of the UC Berkeley Teach In on Torture and executive director of Retro Poll
  
  
  
• Sister Annette M. Sinagra, OP
  
  
  
• State of Nature on-line magazine
  
  
  
• Inge Van de Merlen, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Gore Vidal
  
  
  
• Anne Weills, civil rights attorney in Oakland, National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• Leonard Weinglass, criminal defense attorney
  
  
  
• Naomi Weisstein, professor emeritus of Neuroscience, State University of NY at Buffalo
  
  
  
• Howard Zinn, historian
  
  
  

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      The 2005 International Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration of the United States: Sessions take place Friday, October 21, 4-10pm, and Saturday, October 22, Noon-6pm, at the Grand Ballroom of the Manhattan Center, 311 W. 34th Street, New York City, NY.

This board will return to a dead state too

Posted By: huh? on 2006-03-10,
In Reply to: Oh, she revealed it on the Conservative Board - ??

The stupid rules have made these boards a place where only crickets chirp. Its sad that people are so childish and cannot discuss things like mature adults. This is why these boards will remain a snoozeville, because some people are not capable of mature conversation and get insulted by anyone who does not believe exactly like they do, but if you like it dead here...by all means enjoy the silence.

I watched a TV broadcast; it evoked thoughts in my mind. The thoughts irritated me. I FELT uneasy and I THOUGHT I could print the same on this board and why. This is, after all, still America despite the speech police and this is, after all still the liberal board.

I'm sorry you feel the need to throw the little personal zingers in.

I couldn't disagree more.  I think Obama is going to be torn apart if he is the nominee, more so than Clinton would.  Really, I just do not like the guy.  I think he is totally arrogant, along with his wife , and I do not believe for a minute that he is honest.  Of course, Clinton isn't either.  They're both lousy.

Yes, Ron Paul is out of the race...that's what I said, loooool.  In my opinion, he was the only person who ran that would be worthy of the presidency.

cuddle session for the cameras he can whisper it into Bush's soft, pink shelllike ear.