Go ahead. Let's bring Reverend Wright back into the conversation...

• Does this bother you about Palin? - sm.
  • Wonder if this is her first trip - Down to the lower 48? nm
  • Palin's pending pastor disaster. As requested, - "Legitimate" links to info on this developin
    • Ok...the link to the one quote is dead.... - sam
      • Links are dead bc of overwhelming # of hits. - NewsWeek, Washington Post, Market Watch..sm
    • Go ahead. Let's bring Reverend Wright back into the conversation... - sam
      • Rev. Wright - Clean-up Hitter
        • He was great. Wish he had been more like that... - sam
        • CNN, Fx, MSNBC 1, 2 days behind internet news. - Already in mainstream print. nm
          • it was on woldnetdaily yesterday & others - Clean-up Hitter
            • Fox, CNN, not exactly champions - for the left. nm
              • i know that - Clean-up Hitter
                • Yeah. That fair and balanced claim - is hardly an accurate description. nm
                  • Right wing fringe endorsements. Ask the - rest of us heathens how balanced Fox is. nm
                  • they do about the best they can sm - Clean-up Hitter
                  • Definitely more fair and balanced than the mainstream media... - sam
      • We could care less what anyone's pastors say, it's Palin's preachings/her words here that a - no justifying this one
        • Umm, read links. SP's words are in there. - Suddenly pastors don't count? Hypocrites. nm
          • Suddenly they DO? Right back at ya. :) nm - sam
            • Guess that will be decided in the media circus - In the coming days. sm
              • I would believe the guilt by association only... - sam
                • That accusation was so effective Obama - Ended up seizing the nomination. Try again. nm
                  • Yes, that is very true....but now he has to face everyone... - sam
        • oops got cut off...Her preaching/her words that are DISTURBING...SM - no justifying this one
          • You got that right. Point is that media - will run with this just like last time. nm
      • In the words of our fealess leader. - Bring it on. nm
      • Give it your best shot. Spotlight on the pubs - This week. Own up or take cover. nm
        • right back at ya... - sam
          • So What! - chugs
    • JM credibility on moderate inclusive bipartisan - outreach just became history. nm
    • Wow! If this isn't mind control I don't know what is...Good Grief! NM - thanks for sharing
      • Just taking a page out of sam's lesson plan. - Fact=mind control impotent claim. nm
        • you folks are just sad. (nm) - sam
          • Your glee is our glee. - Another media train comin round the bend. nm
            • What amazes me is you are proud of this behavior. - sam
              • You seemed pretty proud yourself - A few months back. sm
  • so, I've never had a passport. - nm
    • Your aren't running for VP and won't be - Expected to have foreign policy savvy. sm
  • There are many many - ReaderCN
    • If she is a sideshow, why are the Pubs - girlfriday
  • Good grief! No. lol. (nm) - sam
  • Not at all - Sara
    • I don't know if concern is the word, - but....
      • I certainly don't think Barack has what you seek. - Passport a nonissue to me. nm
      • Dubya never went - ReaderCN
      • Obama has a passport but he has no relationship with any... - sam

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You know what really amazes me is that some news anchormen  on MS NBC seem to defend Jeremy Wright's statements.  They say that the older generation is sometimes politically incorrect and have relatives in their own families (white people), who have made really awful statements and racist remarks.  One I believe was Keith Oberman (sp?) on MS NBC who claimed that his grandfather did not like a black baseball player (Willie Mayes I think) just because of his color.  He seemed to justify Wright's racist type sermons.  I really don't understand this kind of logic, but that is what they are saying on MS NBC.  Even Matthews who really surprised me seemed to make light of Wright's sermon.  Are we to just make light of this and say, well they are from the older generation and they don't know any better.  I think not!!!!!   This to me is very alarming to justify these racist remarks.  What if a White Supremacist went on air and said the same thing about their race -- I seriously doubt that anyone would say, "Well, that is OK they they didn't mean it"  

Am I way off base in my thinking or does anyone out there agree with me?  I am just shocked by some people's opinions and ideas. 

Suzanne 

These articles were very interesting. GM states they may stop producing Hummer, Saab, Saturn, and PONTIAC. Geez, what will be left? They dropped my favorite car and now I drive a Buick.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/17/news/companies/sachs_carmakers.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009021711

And don't forget this article: What will and Won't Save Detroit

http://money.cnn.com/?cnn=yes

And this one: 4 Questions for GM & Chrysler

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/16/news/companies/what_to_look_for/index.htm?postversion=2009021615

Can we get the political board back to the true purpose of this board – to share opinions of why we like our candidate.  Not bash and cut down others because they don’t agree with you.

I stayed away from this board for the past couple days because anyone who had anything positive to say about Sarah Palin got slammed, bashed, kicked down, etc.  After awhile I found it all too draining, and was not seeing any reason to come.  Yes, I did see some of it towards people who favored Barack Obama, but if you read the posts again it is mostly towards anyone who favored Sarah Palin/John McCain.

I thought the political board was for posting information regarding politics and candidates.  What I have seen for the past few days is that it has been an attack board.  Especially if you have anything positive you want to share about Sarah Palin.  You say something good about her and you get attacked, you answer back, and you get attacked more, and then when you get mad and pretty much say stop attacking me, they come back with this “Geez, I’m allowed to have an opinion”.

Another thing I am tired of seeing is the slanderous, hate filled, really off the wall comments about Sarah Palin.  The latest was something about her daughter actually had her baby.  Talk about just bizarre comments.  I thought what’s next, she’s an alien from another planet?  The more I kept reading the more the comments were getting just really weird and bizarre.  Of course nobody ever having any proof of any of these allegations.  I then came to realize that the posters were just trying to get a fight going.

I also saw posts that had nothing to do with politics but attacking a poster named Sam.  Again, probably trying to get another fight going for no good reason and on things that have nothing to do whatsoever with politics.  I’ve read “Sam is like an annoying nat that you sway away”, “Sam, please let me know where you work” or “she must have her quota” or “sam is to the politics board as oracle is to the”  This childish rhetoric is getting old.  I’m not defending sam she is a big girl and I can see by her posts she can take care of herself, but my point is that this has nothing to do with politics.  If you want a fight maybe you could request that the administrator create a separate “fight and degrade” section.

I’ve read the administrators post a couple different times called Beware of Flaming.  She/he said as long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree we shouldn’t wear our feelings on our sleeves and a little more oversight on here would be good.  Let people express his or her opinion and move on.  If you don’t like someone just ignore that person. “It’s not rocket science, you know” (I liked that statement)

I consider posting on this board a privilege and not a right.  If you don’t agree with something and you post that you don’t agree and state the facts why (and are civilized about it) that’s one thing, but when you bash and degrade others without showing proof and just want to start fights and belittle others it just seems a bit juvenile to me.

I come to the politics board to hear ideas and stuff (facts) about the candidates.  That is how I’m learning about each one, but I don’t want to read people attack other posters for no good reason.  I'd like to hear about Obama/Biden & McCain/Palin, but I want to hear facts.

If you like to fight so much why don’t you pick on people that you can fight to face to face. 

and it was about Affirmative Action. I remember it well because it was very long and civil exchange between the two of you back when I thought you could be reasoned with.  Nan said something about you have a different perspective and something like she could not challenge you from an African American point of view, I don't remember all the details, because you were African American at which point you said something like, what makes you think I am African American and she said, she thought you had said you were and you said I didn't say that because I am not.  Now this is not word for word but it is the gist of it.  Remember now?

things done without the parents' knowledge.

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers here, they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The story above may have contributed to this, but the basic idea was that Americans didn't like to see Americans dead.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers: they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

If you don't want to discuss it on the political board, quit discussing it. 

Buchanan to Obama

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a
community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ླྀs on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community
into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and inca rceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard adnauseam from the Rev. AL about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But abo UT the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

He was in the news yesterday.  Oh yeah.  It won't be on the "drive-by" stations.  Let the libs do their own research.

He won't be forgotten, Sam.  Trust me.

Let's hear it for the party of "women."  They can't have it both ways with all their so-called working mothers.  It's the ole' rope theory.  They'll hang themselves.

If she's such a nobody, why do they waste their time?

How about Fred Thompson last PM?  Wow!

Talk is cheap.  See, I can just pull statements out of my bellybutton also.

polls. Sympathy not required.