Give it your best shot. Spotlight on the pubs
Posted By: This week. Own up or take cover. nm on 2008-09-03
In Reply to: Go ahead. Let's bring Reverend Wright back into the conversation... - sam
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Let's give that a shot - here goes...
I would be an Irish-German-Welsh-Scottish-Native-American-American, at least as far back as I have traced my ancestry.
Think there's a box for that one?
You try to keep the spotlight on the child.
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Joe the Plumber had to get back in the spotlight -
http://www.comcast.net/news/video/958491392/plumberappalledbymccainposition/
Sheehan Feeling the Glare of the Spotlight
Some Are Focusing Anger on Protester
By Michael A. Fletcher Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 17, 2005; Page A03
CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 16 -- Cindy Sheehan rode into town 10 days ago, a forlorn mother with a question for her president: Why did my son die in Iraq?
But now the same wave of publicity and political anger that she rode to become a nationally known symbol of the antiwar movement threatens to crash down on Sheehan herself.
Conservative commentators and Web sites are taking aim at Sheehan with the same ferocity she has aimed at President Bush. In part, they are using her own words against her -- reciting such controversial comments as her vow to refuse to pay taxes to a government waging an "illegal" war and her desire to see Bush impeached.
The backlash is becoming a new object lesson in how saturation media coverage and the instinct for personal attack are shaping political debate. Some independent commentators said the pushback on the right has succeeded at scuffing the public sympathy and deference she had earned as the mother of a fallen soldier, and has shown how virtually any subject relating to the Iraq war and Bush's presidency is viewed through a partisan lens.
"Cindy Sheehan has emboldened the progressives who oppose the war and caused the conservative diehards who are behind the war to go into a defensive mode," said Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers magazine, a trade publication for talk radio. "Cindy Sheehan is going to be a target, and they'll probably go through her past to find what they can to discredit her."
Since her son, Casey, 24, was killed in Iraq last year, Sheehan, of Vacaville, Calif., has traveled the country trying to drum up opposition to the war in Iraq. She has participated in peace conferences, demonstrations and a mock congressional hearing about the "Downing Street memo" -- notes of a meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top advisers that said the Bush administration had decided to go to war and molded intelligence findings to support that decision.
In that time, Sheehan, 48, a soft-spoken woman who says she was radicalized by her son's death, has engaged in her fair share of inflammatory rhetoric.
"It's obvious Cindy Sheehan has become a political player, whose primary concern is embarrassing the president," Fox Television personality Bill O'Reilly wrote Tuesday in an online column. "She is no longer just a protester."
Bush, Sheehan said, lied to the American people about the war and should be impeached. She is refusing to pay taxes in hopes that the Internal Revenue Service will come after her to collect. "I'm not supporting a government that wages an illegal, immoral war," she said. "I want them to come after me, so I can put the war on trial."
Still, she said some of the statements attributed to her are distortions. Contrary to a letter attributed to her that is circulating widely on the Internet, she asserts that she has never said that the United States is waging the war in Iraq to protect Israel.
"I have said a lot of strong things, and I'll stand by everything I said," Sheehan said, adding that she thought the document had been altered. "But I didn't say that."
The scrutiny that has accompanied Sheehan's quick rise to prominence has extended to her family. Several in-laws have publicly criticized her protest -- announcing their displeasure in a release to the Drudge Report. News that Sheehan's husband, Patrick, has filed for divorce has been trumpeted by some bloggers as evidence of her extreme views. Sheehan acknowledges that some of her views are becoming a distraction. Also, she said, some groups that have aided her protest have agendas -- including conspiracy theories about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and some vaguely anti-Semitic theories about the cause of the war -- that she says she does not share.
Consequently, she has asked that her campsite near Bush's ranch be restricted only to organizations of military families, or those who have lost loved ones in the war.
"Attention got focused on the messenger and not the message," Sheehan said. "My thing is ending the war in Iraq. But there are a lot of people who want to attach their horse to my wagon, because of the exposure I'm getting."
The increased scrutiny of Sheehan is coming as some residents here are growing irritated with the stream of antiwar protesters drawn to her vigil.
On Tuesday, a spokeswoman for Sheehan announced plans to move the camp from the drainage ditches next to the winding road about two miles from Bush's 1,600-acre spread to a field on a ranch offered by one of Bush's neighbors. The new camp would be about a mile from the president's ranch. All that would be left behind at the original site would be three tents and hundreds of white wooden crosses bearing the names of troops killed in Iraq.
The move followed complaints by about 60 of Bush's neighbors, who petitioned McLennan County officials to expand a no-parking zone around the camp, in an effort to avert the traffic tie-ups that have become commonplace as the protest has grown. Also, Monday night a truck dragging chains and a pipe demolished some crosses; the driver, Larry Northern, 46, of Waco, Tex., was charged with criminal mischief.
Sheehan has promised to remain encamped throughout Bush's five-week stay here and to return whenever the president does. She also announced plans for a series of nearly 1,000 candlelight vigils Wednesday night across the country. Liberal advocacy groups MoveOn.org Political Action and Democracy for America are organizing the protests.
"All of this other BS just clouds my message," Sheehan said. "My message is that of a brokenhearted mom sitting down in front of George Bush's ranch, wanting to know why my son died."
Prosecutor Puts Bush in Spotlight
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/washington/11leak.html?hp&ex=1144728000&en=cfd85f2bec48b42b&ei=5094&partner=homepage
April 11, 2006
White House Memo
With One Filing, Prosecutor Puts Bush in Spotlight
WASHINGTON, April 10 — From the early days of the C.I.A. leak investigation in 2003, the Bush White House has insisted there was no effort to discredit Joseph C. Wilson IV, the man who emerged as the most damaging critic of the administration's case that Saddam Hussein was seeking to build nuclear weapons.
But now White House officials, and specifically President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, have been pitched back into the center of the nearly three-year controversy, this time because of a prosecutor's court filing in the case that asserts there was a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to undermine Mr. Wilson.
The new assertions by the special prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, have put administration officials on the spot in a way they have not been for months, as attention in the leak case seems to be shifting away from the White House to the pretrial procedural skirmishing in the perjury and obstruction charges against Mr. Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr.
Mr. Fitzgerald's filing talks not of an effort to level with Americans but of a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson. It concludes, It is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to 'punish Wilson.'
With more filings expected from Mr. Fitzgerald, the prosecutor's work has the potential to keep the focus on Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney at a time when the president is struggling with his lowest approval ratings since he took office.
Even on Monday, Mr. Bush found himself in an uncomfortable spot during an appearance at a Johns Hopkins University campus in Washington, when a student asked him to address Mr. Fitzgerald's assertion that the White House was seeking to retaliate against Mr. Wilson.
Mr. Bush stumbled as he began his response before settling on an answer that sidestepped the question. He said he had ordered the formal declassification of the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq in July 2003 because it was important for people to get a better sense for why I was saying what I was saying in my speeches about Iraq's efforts to reconstitute its weapons program.
Mr. Bush said nothing about the earlier, informal authorization that Mr. Fitzgerald's court filing revealed. The prosecutor described testimony from Mr. Libby, who said Mr. Bush had told Mr. Cheney that it was permissible to reveal some information from the intelligence estimate, which described Mr. Hussein's efforts to acquire uranium.
But on Monday, Mr. Bush was not talking about that. You're just going to have to let Mr. Fitzgerald complete his case, and I hope you understand that, Mr. Bush said. It's a serious legal matter that we've got to be careful in making public statements about it.
Every prosecutor strives not just to prove a case, but also to tell a compelling story. It is now clear that Mr. Fitzgerald's account of what was happening in the White House in the summer of 2003 is very different from the Bush administration's narrative, which suggested that Mr. Wilson was seen as a minor figure whose criticisms could be answered by disclosing the underlying intelligence upon which Mr. Bush relied.
It turned out that much of the information about Mr. Hussein's search for uranium was questionable at best, and that it became the subject of dispute almost as soon as it was included in the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq.
The answer to the question of whose recounting of events is correct — Mr. Bush's or Mr. Fitzgerald's — may not be known for months or years, if ever. But it seems there will be more clues, including some about the conversations between Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney.
Mr. Fitzgerald said he was preparing to turn over to Mr. Libby 1,400 pages of handwritten notes — some presumably in Mr. Libby's own hand — that could shed light on two very different efforts at getting out the White House story.
One effort — the July 18 declassification of the major conclusions of the intelligence estimate — was taking place in public, while another, Mr. Fitzgerald argues, was happening in secret, with only Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby involved.
Last week's court filing has already led the White House to acknowledge, over the weekend, that Mr. Bush ordered the selective disclosure of parts of the intelligence estimate sometime in late June or early July. But administration officials insist that Mr. Bush played a somewhat passive role and did so without selecting Mr. Libby, or anyone else, to tell the story piecemeal to a small number of reporters.
But in one of those odd twists in the unpredictable world of news leaks, neither of the reporters Mr. Libby met, Bob Woodward of The Washington Post or Judith Miller, then of The New York Times, reported a word of it under their own bylines. In fact, other reporters working on the story were talking to senior officials who were warning that the uranium information in the intelligence estimate was dubious at best.
Mr. Fitzgerald did not identify who took part in the White House effort to argue otherwise, but the evidence he has cited so far shows that Mr. Cheney's office was the epicenter of concern about Mr. Wilson, the former ambassador sent to Niger by the C.I.A. to determine what deal, if any, Mr. Hussein had struck there.
Throughout the spring and early summer of 2003, Mr. Fitzgerald concluded, the former ambassador had become an irritant to the administration, raising doubts about the truthfulness of assertions — made publicly by Mr. Bush in his State of the Union address in January of that year — that Iraq might have sought uranium in Africa to further its nuclear ambitions.
Mr. Wilson's criticisms culminated in a July 6, 2003, Op-Ed article in The Times in which he voiced the same doubts for the first time on the record. He cited as his evidence his 2002 trip to Niger, instigated, he said, because of questions raised by Mr. Cheney's office.
Mr. Wilson's article, Mr. Fitzgerald said in the filing, was viewed in the Office of the Vice President as a direct attack on the credibility of the vice president (and the president) on a matter of signal importance: the rationale for the war in Iraq.
Mr. Fitzgerald suggested that the White House effort was a plan to undermine Mr. Wilson.
Disclosing the belief that Mr. Wilson's wife sent him on the Niger trip was one way for defendant to contradict the assertion that the vice president had done so, while at the same time undercutting Mr. Wilson's credibility if Mr. Wilson were perceived to have received the assignment on account of nepotism, Mr. Fitzgerald's filing said.
Hey. You guys couldn't wait to get that spotlight.
We already pulled off a masterpiece of a convention. Even conservative reporters were pressed and we came away from it with everything we could have possible hoped for. Now it's your turn. If you don't behaves yourselves better than this, the imgage problems you already have will pale in comparison. For me, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the show.
Yah ha! rim shot!
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Yep...there's the shot across the bow.
We'll see how Prez Obama responds to that one.
That's why should take our best shot rather than
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They're trying to help but they being SHOT AT
for crying out loud...who shoots at their rescuers!! The people in New Orleans is what is making it so difficult, and the fact the roads are not passable in and out. Come on people. THINK!! They build a city in bowl below sea level. They were told for decades this was going to happen. This is a much more complex situation than just one person can be responsible for.
Let me take one shot at clarifying...
what I am talking about regarding illegal immigration, and what I view this country to be. I do not now, nor have I ever said one word about wanting a "pure race." I have said over and over, America is a country of immigrants. A country of immigrants coming here who wanted change from their native countries. Immigrants who became UNITED under one flag, one creed, one constitution, one set of laws. The UNITED States of America. The thread that bound us all together...Americans. And the trend is away from that now. Illegal immigrants want to come here and change America to Mexican America...or Muslim America...or, or, or. To change what we are, the ideals we were founded on. In my mind, if you make a conscious decision to leave your own country and come to this one seeking to change your citizenship, then you embrace this country, her laws, her ideals, etc. That does not mean a person cannot be proud of individual heritage. I am proud of my Irish, Native American, Swedish ancestry and can some of it back to the 15th century. But I am not a Native Swedish Irish American. I am an American with a mixed heritage, and I am an American first, and I don't frankly see anything wrong with that. It is in that that we used to be UNITED and is what made us strong. If we start to separate we might as well set up borders and call part of us Native America, part of us Africa America, part of us Mexico America....because we are not united anymore. I even had the word "secession" thrown at me, which is ridiculous on the face of it. I never said such a thing nor would I sanction such a thing, because I believe in the UNITED States of America.
At any rate, to set the record straight: I do not ascribe to a "pure" race. I object vehemently to illegal immigration. I support legal immigration to the hilt. However, I do believe that immigrants are making a choice when they leave their native land and come here...a choice to become an American, and if that is not their choice, then they need to stay in their country of origin and try to make it more America-like...it seems like that is what they REALLY want.
I love my country, I love her mixed heritage and I love my own mixed heritage. I really, really don't see what the problem is with that. Black, white, red, yellow, polka-dotted or chartreuse....we are all Americans, and that should be the thread that binds us together. Therein lies our strength.
I will now officially stop beating this poor dead horse. :) Have a good day, my fellow Americans, every last one of you. :)
And the first shot is fired.......
by those, in the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, spew things like "you are a nasty old hag arne't you?" How Christian.
These are perfect!! Thanks for the shot . .
of reality . . . well, reality to most of us, anyway.
Whackos like her are the ones that shot down
There is still a shot he might not leave. sm
The economy is very bad and there could be a catastrophic emergency (Directive 51), and we are stuck with him.
DON'T SHOT THE MESSENGER
It could be a joke, but I do trust Huffingtonpost. It is also posted on other parts of the net. For him to do so (pardon Bin Laden), probably means nothing to anyone except "Bush" since Bin Laden has not been captured and is not a U.S. citizen. You can search it yourself and form your own opinion: "Bush Pardon's Osama Bin Laden" or you can copy and paste the link below.
I don't put anything past Bush and nothing he does surprises me. I'm embarassed that I voted for him. After stating that he gets a "briefing" every day, on Larry King when asked, if we ever came close to capturing Bin Laden, his reply was "I don't know......I really don't know." First of all, you should know, and if you don't know, you don't say I don't know. You can discuss the gallant attempts by our military to capture him, the sacrifice they gave of themselves to capture him, etc. LAME DUCK -- BYE!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rees/breaking-bush-pardons-osa_b_159272.html
The guy that shot him was a coward.
If he was doing God's work, he should have come forth and said so.
You have a better shot at getting the truth paying sm
attention to alternative media. You will not get it in the box by mainstream, heavily censored, corporate owned media.
Forgotten the minute you took you last best shot.
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Sigh. Another anonymous shot across the bow. (nm)
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You got your wish. An MP was shot in the leg by looters. Women are being raped.
Police are turning in their badges because they say their homes are gone and it isn't worth it to them to get shot stopping looters. There is anarchy in New Orleans. Your with come true.
Under the Bush regime, I don't think it's that much of a long shot.
I think and fear it is possible. Wouldn't surprise me if the next civil war breaks out in the United States in the form of another Christian crusade. It could happen. We don't really live in a republic any more. :-(
The sicko who shot the army soldier
and murdered him justifies himself by saying it was not a murder; it was a justified killing....... Our liberal media has been so hush hush about the murder of this solider, maybe they think they same thing!! They sure have talked about the baby murderer's murder til I'm sick to death of hearing it!!!
Too bad Obama thought discussing the tiller murder was more important than mentioning a soldier's murder in THIS country due to a sicko islamic convert within our own country.... speaks volumes to me...
The sicko who shot the army soldier
and murdered him justifies himself by saying it was not a murder; it was a justified killing....... Our liberal media has been so hush hush about the murder of this solider, maybe they think they same thing!! They sure have talked about the baby murderer's murder til I'm sick to death of hearing it!!!
Too bad Obama thought discussing the tiller murder was more important than mentioning a soldier's murder in THIS country due to a sicko islamic convert within our own country.... speaks volumes to me...
King funeral--just another money shot for politicians
and opportunity for all politicians involved to bloviate ad nauseum. The whole thing went on forever. Reminds me of the old Appalachian mountain funerals where there were five or six preachers and each one had to see who could out preach the other.
Everybody had to get their money shot (especially Clinton and Carter) and to me it was sad to see a bunch of politicans and so-called religious leaders take advantage a good woman's funeral just to make their political hay.
Goes to show that you can't even die anymore without it being shrouded in politics.
Love the bust/head shot where he's worshiping the pie.
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It is all about timing and the fact that there was a pet chimp shot by the police the other day.
Give it a rest.
At Wounded Knee, two federal agents were shot to death. sm
One was killed while going for his gun after being shot at. The gun was so high powered, it severed his hand. He was married and a father. I don't think Wounded Knee is anything to be proud of.
Poster who implies anyone wanted officers shot was certainly slamming.
And if they did not mean to do it - which I doubt - they need to rethink their delivery if they don't want to be continually misunderstood (though I also doubt they were).
Well, it's official my day is shot. Obama was inaugerated AND I'm getting crappy dictation!
I just can't win today!
Pubs and you especially, Sam, have
Left shoe is on the right foot now. No choice left except to stew in your own juices in this regard.
The Pubs also always say...
Just look at his mother at age 94 (or whatever). She's still kicking at her age. NOT!!! No one ever asks where his father is. Dead perhaps? At what age? Will have to Google that maybe.
The same can be said for the pubs that
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Pubs
I'm not a pub as you put it, but a democrat, and I cringe at the thought of Obama in the white house. If it were Biden, I would definitely consider that strongly but when you have nothing but corrupt questionable activities and more than questionable acquaintances, I won't help put that kind of person in office.
I'd rather go down with the sinking ship, as some poor lost soul OP phrased it, rather than be the cause of the sinking ship.
Oh, I know, all pubs are...well,
fine and upstanding citizens and bleeding hearts for the middle class and poor. I imagine rabid Republicans are about the only ones who still think George W. Bush is a fine, honest, Christian man. I recall one Rabid around here who carried a huge sign around in the back of his pick-up truck in 2004 that said, "Vote freedom, vote God, vote Bush." Nearly made me vomit. Not surprisingly, being a rabid Republican, he is carrying around the same sign but changed Bush to McCain. But he's also crying that he lost his job, is worried about his mortgage and they can't afford for his wife to retire. Rabid people can't seem to learn anything from experience.
Here's a new one for you pubs....
Got this email this morning who says from her mouth to my ears that she is a DEMOCRAT, has never voted for a republican but says (from her mouth to my ears) that she will NEVER vote for a black president. So she sends me this with the warning in the subject line, "be afraid, be very afraid." If I didn't love her I'd wring her neck off!!
Notice to All Employees
As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:
1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a “fair shake.”
2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help those who are “too busy for overtime” to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.
3. All top management will now be referred to as “the government.” We will not participate in this “pooling” experience because the law doesn't apply to us.
4. The “government” will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard “for the good of all.”
5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's “good to spread the wealth". Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more “patriotic.”
6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flatscreen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!
If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you may want to rethink your vote on November 4th.
Who said anything about pubs? I said O can't get
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about 5 pubs
Minority hardly even describes how you think.
Pubs would love that, but no can do.
Somebody from your cowardly party steps us and acknowledges some responsibility and culpibility in this tragedy.
If she is a sideshow, why are the Pubs
keeping her away from the media? Why hasn't she answered one question nor had one interview since she was picked as VP nominee? Seems odd to me, but then, I find JM's choice very odd and not so brilliant.
Like I said, pubs simply do not
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Calling all pubs.
xoxoxoxo
Pubs hate sex
Pubs think sex is a sin - click on link
Exactly! I see no comments from the Pubs.
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Sure and the pubs had no hand in it at all.
Maybe if the pubs weren't so against regulating it may have been averted too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1222092873-DDzUm2VKJMYWutTohJrNDQ
maybe sam's one of them rich oil pubs
well-being of the rest of us.
If that's your theory, then the pubs
should have been all for it, but they weren't, were they?
Pubs are the ones with blinders on.
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Didn't say that. You did. It's the pubs who
JM's economic meltdown plan is exactly what now?
Exactly, pubs had to take on the responsibility
to handle the junk the dems left them with. Glad you understand.
Maybe we could just round up all the pubs
so we can actually get some work done this time around!
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