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From Scarborough Country. Finally, a Republican who is

Posted By: honest enough to call a on 2005-07-19
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spade a spade and not just blindly follow!  How refreshing.


SCARBOROUGH:  Now, today, President Bush again refused to answer questions about the White House CIA leak case.  But he did have this to say. 


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  I don‘t know all the facts.  I want to know all the facts.  The best place for facts to be done is by somebody who is spending time investigating it. 


I would like this to end as quickly as possible, so we know the facts.  And if someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration. 


(END VIDEO CLIP)


SCARBOROUGH:  Ah, nuance.  I love nuance.  Before, it was, if somebody leaked this information, they are not going to work in the administration.  Now it has been elevated to, if somebody committed a crime, they are not going to work in our administration. 


Now, a far cry, obviously, from what the White House had to say back in September 2003.  Listen to what White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan had to say back then. 


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY:  If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration. 


(END VIDEO CLIP)


SCARBOROUGH:  Big difference. 


With me now to talk about this boiling Washington summer scandal are Peter Beinart—he‘s the editor of “The New Republic”—and also Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway. 


Peter, I have got to start with you. 


You know, I have been saying all along that somebody lied to George Bush, because George Bush would not have gone out a year ago and said, hey, if somebody was involved in this leak, they wouldn‘t work in my administration, if he knew that Karl Rove was involved.  Now we‘re talking about obviously an indictment.  Does this mean the White House now understands they are going to have to backtrack?


PETER BEINART, EDITOR, “THE NEW REPUBLIC”:  They have already started backtracking. 


I mean, Scott McClellan said the idea that Karl Rove was involved with this was—quote, unquote—“ridiculous.”  Now, of course, it is undisputed that Karl Rove was involved in this.  That alone seems to me is reason for Scott McClellan, if he has any dignity at all left, to resign. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  You think he should quit? 


BEINART:  Absolutely. 


(CROSSTALK)


KELLYANNE CONWAY, REPUBLICAN POLLSTER:  Why? 


BEINART:  Because once a press secretary loses all credibility by being lied to by his bosses and then lying to the press as a result, the only honorable thing to do is resign.  It‘s pretty well—it‘s pretty—because has no credibility left.  He is now basically a walking pinata.


SCARBOROUGH:  All right, Peter, let‘s talk about what we know.  Let‘s talk about what we do know, Peter. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  We know that either Karl Rove or Scooter Libby or the president or somebody in the Cheney-wing of the White House lied to Scott McClellan.  Is that safe to say?  Somebody is lying here.


(CROSSTALK)


BEINART:  Yes.  Someone lied to him, because he would not have gone out and said it was ridiculous that Karl Rove was involved without someone telling him that. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  Kellyanne, I will you the same way. 


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  Sure.  There‘s no..


SCARBOROUGH:  I will ask you the same question. 


There is no way this guy would have gone out and made the statement that he made last year had he not been lied to, right? 


CONWAY:  There is no evidence that anybody lied to Scott.  And there is certainly no evidence that Karl Rove was a producer of any information. 


If anything, the two most recent news accounts about this issue suggest that Karl was the recipient of the information from a media source, not the producer of that information.  And, look...


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, he produced—he produced it to “TIME” magazine and Cooper, didn‘t he? 


CONWAY:  No.  There is no evidence of that.  In fact, when Joe Wilson himself testified before the..


SCARBOROUGH:  Where have I been?  CONWAY:  Pardon me?


SCARBOROUGH:  Where have I been?  I mean, I am sorry.  I thought I read the “TIME” magazine article.  I thought I saw Matt Cooper on “Meet the Press” this weekend saying that he got the information from Karl Rove. 


CONWAY:  And...


SCARBOROUGH:  I mean, was I—was it all a dream?  Was it like the last season of “Dallas”? 


CONWAY:  No, Joe, it wasn‘t. 


But that—again, when you are the subject of a grand jury investigate, as it is going on now, you are not allowed to discuss it.  So, Karl can‘t really defend himself. 


What other reports have suggested is that, perhaps, immediately, perhaps, hypothetically speaking, someone in the media called Karl and said, I have this information.  I am going to do a story about it. 


Now, letting it fly out there in the ether does not mean that Karl provided the information.  Nor does it mean that he corroborated, verified or encouraged it.  If anything, he may have tried to kill it on the—on the—with the inference that the person not go out and use inaccurate information. 


Now, let‘s remember what this information is about, serious stuff, that the vice president allegedly sent Joe Wilson over to Niger to check out the uranium story.  And then, when Joe—when Joe Wilson, the same guy, testifies to the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, he says, I may have used a little bit of literary flair, the same guy who poses in “Vanity Fair.”  This is not a credible person.


SCARBOROUGH:  Let me ask you this, Peter.  I want to bring this up.  The thing that I found very interesting—and, obviously, I respect Kellyanne and have for some time and agree with her a lot more than I disagree with her. 


But it seems, in this Karl Rove case—if we want to call it a scandal, we can call it a scandal—that if every time you start talking about Karl Rove, Republicans start talking about Joe Wilson.  Now, I think Joe Wilson is a liar.  I think he is a joke.  But it seems to me he is not relevant to this leak, is he?


BEINART:  No, he is not relevant at all. 


What Kelly is doing is repeating exactly the same talking points that every other Republican has been repeating all week. 


CONWAY:  That‘s not true.


BEINART:  And the point is, I happen to think Joe Wilson has a lot more credibility than Karl Rove.  But it is totally irrelevant. 


The question—even if you think that Joe Wilson is the biggest liar in Washington, it is absolutely sleazy to go after him by going after his wife.  That is not...


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  Who is going after his wife? 


(CROSSTALK)


BEINART:  The people who went out and said, who said that his wife is a covert operative for the CIA, which got the CIA so upset that they asked the Justice Department to do an investigation, those people.


And is very likely those people are either Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Ari Fleischer, or all of the above. 


CONWAY:  It is not very likely.  We don‘t know that.  You have to be careful. 


(CROSSTALK)


BEINART:  We don‘t know that.  Of course we don‘t know.


What we do know is that—is that there was a State Department memo which had this information.  We know that Fleischer was reading that memo. 


And we know that this information got to Robert Novak.  It is conceivable -yes, I will grant it is conceivable that, somehow, some reporter got it and spit it back to these guys in the administration.  But it is more likely that they got it from the State Department memo and then they fed it to Novak in an effort to discredit Wilson. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  Kellyanne, let me ask you a question.


CONWAY:  Please.


SCARBOROUGH:  Kellyanne, let me ask you a question here.  I am just curious.  And I have been asking my Republican friends this question for the past couple weeks.  Let‘s say Bill Clinton‘s top political adviser had decided to reveal the identity of a CIA agent to a reporter from “TIME” magazine to get back at that person‘s spouse?  What would you be saying?  What would Republicans be saying about Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton‘s top political adviser? 


Let‘s just assume...


CONWAY:  Right. 


SCARBOROUGH:  ... that what everybody in Washington knows is actually the case, that this was passed on from Karl Rove to Matt Cooper at “TIME” magazine.  What would you say if the Clinton administration had engaged in this type of activity?


CONWAY:  I would say exactly what I said when the Clinton administration was engaged in far worse, something called Whitewater, which Peter was against investigating, even though people...


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  I am not talking about—I am not talking about Whitewater.


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m talking about the outing of a CIA agent in a time of war.  That is all I‘m asking.


CONWAY:  Right. 


SCARBOROUGH:  What would you say if they did that?


CONWAY:  And my answer is what it was then, which is that I respect the rule of law enough to allow the investigatory process to work its way out. 


If we all respect the law as it is written and the investigatory process that is currently undergoing, Joe, then the facts will be known.  And the president will keep to his commitment that anyone who broke the law will be out of there, including—anybody.


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, that is a different commitment from what we heard in the fall. 


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  Pardon me?  No, it is a commitment.  But, guys...


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  The commitment that was made before was anybody that revealed the identity of a CIA agent would be fired. 


Peter, I want to ask you this question in closing. 


And, Kellyanne, I love you, just like I love Peter. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  I am not beating up anybody tonight. 


CONWAY:  Joe, Karl beat the Democrats twice now, though,  Karl has beaten the Democrats black and blue in two presidential elections.


SCARBOROUGH:  It is irrelevant.  I don‘t care.


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  They want him out of Washington.


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  It‘s irrelevant.


The bottom line is that a CIA agent has been outed.  I don‘t care whether a Republican did it. 


CONWAY:  She posed in “Vanity Fair.‘


SCARBOROUGH:  I don‘t care if a Democrat did it. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  She went to “Vanity Fair.”  And, again, I think Joe Wilson and his wife are shameless.  But they did that after they were already revealed. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  So, I just—again, I don‘t like—I think Joe Wilson is a joke.  The fact that this guy lied about just about everything involved in his African trip and then wrote a book called “The Politics of Truth” is shameless. 


But he is irrelevant.  His wife is irrelevant. 


Peter Beinart, final question to you. 


Now that I have preached, the question is this.  Is somebody going to jail over this?  Is somebody going to be indicted? 


BEINART:  I think it is—I would say the chances of someone being indicted are a bit better than 50-50.  The chance of someone going to jail I think are relatively low.  I would say less than one in four.  That is my guess. 


SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  I will play McLaughlin here.  Wrong! 


(LAUGHTER)


SCARBOROUGH:  Nobody is going to jail.


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  Karl Rove is keeping his job.  Nobody in America cares. 


But I do. 


Thanks a lot, Peter Beinart.  Greatly appreciate it. 


Kellyanne, thank you so much for being patient with me tonight.


We will be right back in a second in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. 


 




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This story was on Scarborough Country

last night.  Joe Scarborough is a conservative lawyer and former congressman. 


The transcript is copied below.  If you read it, you might find that Bush didn't even lift a finger to try to get this terrorist, and you might walk away with a slightly different take on the situation.  Believe me, If Scarborough is upset with Bush, there's a reason.  He's always supported Bush.  Even the family of the Mr. Stethem is basically pro Bush.


'Scarborough Country' for December 27
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show


Updated: 10:45 a.m. ET Dec. 28, 2005



Guest: Erich Ritter, Tyson Slocum, Joseph Bruno, Ric Robinson, Clinton


Suggs, Ken Stethem


JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  Right now in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, a terrorist is set free.  Will our government now stand up and finally do the right thing?  This terrorist hijacked a TWA plane and murdered a U.S. Navy diver.  And the German government let him out of prison, and our government didn't do much to stop them.  Tonight, the diver's brother and a close Navy friend who was also on that plane and beaten on that plane, they both come to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY to say what our government must now do and how we can all help get justice for Robert Stethem. 


Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, no passport required, and only common sense allowed. 


ANNOUNCER:  From the press room, to the courtroom, to the halls of Congress, Joe Scarborough has seen it all.  Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.


SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, thanks so much for being with me tonight.  I hope you and your family had a very merry Christmas. 


Tonight on the show, we are going to be also talking about a quick-thinking surfer who fought off a great white shark and lived to tell about it.  Now, wait until you hear where he says he learned the skills that saved his life, and should you try this at home? 


Plus, blonde bombshell Anna Nicole Smith back in the news.  So, why exactly is the Bush administration hooking up with the former “Playboy” centerfold in court?  We will tell you the full story later in the show.


But, first, let's start with the outrage over why a terrorist is out of jail tonight, even though he was convicted of killing a U.S. Navy diver.  Now, this is a story we first brought you last week, after this man, Hamadi, walked free from a German prison.  Now, this thug hijacked a TWA jet in 1985.  You remember these scenes?  And he brutally beat and tortured 23-year-old Robert Stethem, Robert obviously in the Navy, and Stethem was so severely beaten that his body was unrecognizable when they finally dumped him onto the runway in Beirut. 


And now, for reasons we talk about, Hamadi is walking free in the Middle East. 


With me to talk about this outrage, and it is an outrage, friends, and our government needs to hear about it, we have got Ken Stethem with us.  He's a brother of that murdered Navy diver, and also Clinton Suggs.  He was sitting next to Robert on that hijacked flight, and he was also beaten by the terrorist who was set free. 


Ken, let's start with you. 


What did the American government do once you and your family started notifying them back in the spring that you were afraid that this terrorist thug, who murdered your brother, might walk free? 


KEN STETHEM, BROTHER OF MURDERED NAVY DIVER:  Well, Joe, the simple answer is nothing. 


Our family had asked for meetings through the Justice Department, and to the State Department for meetings, because of concerns we had over this possibility and some other points that we wanted to bring up.  And we never once were given a response even as to why no meetings would be able to take place. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, Wait a second, Ken.  Did you try to get in touch with Condoleezza Rice or anybody?  Who did you try to get in touch with at the State Department? 


STETHEM:  My parents were going through an intermediary through the Justice Department, and we absolutely tried to get ahold of Condoleezza Rice to get a meeting with her, and this is one of the few times since my brother was murdered that we have not been able to get access to the secretary of state. 


SCARBOROUGH:  You know, Ken, this is the thing that I don't understand.  Obviously the Bush administration has been waging a fierce war on terror over the past four or five years since 9/11, and yet in this case, here you have a terrorist thug with connections—his whole family has had connections to Hezbollah for some time—murdered an American, not only any American, but a guy that served in the United States Navy.


The murder was broadcast across the Arab world, and America, and everywhere else, and when you find out that he may be released, you try to contact this government, this president, this secretary of state, and they give you absolutely no assurances that they are going to work to try to keep him in jail? 


STETHEM:  We never heard word one back from them, Joe, and when you look at the timing, what is not just shameful but absolutely disgraceful is that the same time Bush was and the administration was preparing the speech that went public to the public, asking for continued support on the war on terrorism last week, at the same time he was planning and giving that speech, the administration knew that Germany was about to release Hamadi, and they did nothing. 


SCARBOROUGH:  You know, Ken—and the thing is, it's very interesting that despite the fact that you couldn't get the Bush administration, you couldn't get the secretary of state, you couldn't get anybody to call your family when this terrorist, who murdered your brother in cold blood on the international stage 20 years ago was about to set free, they finally did call your parents Christmas Eve. 


Talk about the president's chief of staff, Andy Card, calling your parents on Christmas Eve, and talk about that discussion.  What went on? 


STETHEM:  Andrew Card called my parents, and my parents—our family was appreciative at the gesture, but he basically called to pass along the president's condolences, to pass along the fact that he was not satisfied with any answer that he got within the administration as to why the family hadn't been contacted, either before or after, and that he wanted us to know that phone calls have been made at the highest level. 


SCARBOROUGH:  What did your parents say? 


(CROSSTALK)


STETHEM:  You know, my parents, for 20 years, have supported five different administrations and have just trusted and hoped that action would be taken.  And you know what, my parents understood the truth.


And the truth is the administration would have had to simply make a phone call at the presidential level, demand that Hamadi not be released or be released into U.S. custody, and pressured Germany to make that happen, and because they didn't do those three simple things, we are now supposed to believe that the administration is going to spend the time, money, effort, energy, manpower, and put the political capital at risk to go get him and bring him back?  You know what?


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, and, Ken, let me just say, that is what is so absurd to me tonight, listening, reading this story over the past week.  Now you are hearing the administration saying that they are going to do everything they can to hunt this guy down, to track—I would say if they had a clean shot at him, they should take him out for what he did to your brother 20 years ago, send a real message to terrorists across the Middle East. 


But that's not going to happen.  The guy slipped into Lebanon.  He's got connections.  His family has connections to Hezbollah.  They had a chance to keep him in custody and they wouldn't even return your phone calls.  Do you think the fix was already in?  Do you think the State Department knew what Germany was going to do, and so they decided not to talk to you, to let them go ahead and do it because they didn't want to offend an ally? 


STETHEM:  You know what, absolutely. 


And whether it was apathy or indifference or ineptness, you know what, it doesn't matter.  You can't say, you can't say that we are fully, totally committed to this war on terrorism and then let a convicted murderer and terrorist go. 


SCARBOROUGH:  And, Ken, let me just say, I mean, you have for the most part supported this president's war on terror, as have I.  I mean, the guy has aggressively gone after terrorists across the globe, but they have one in custody that killed your brother 20 years ago, and they do absolutely nothing to stop the Germans from letting him go on parole. 


Is that a fair characterization, that you and your family have been supporters of this president, but you just feel like it was a disgrace how this administration let you all down? 


STETHEM:  That's right, Joe, and I will tell you, nobody can accuse the Stethem family or myself for not supporting, absolutely supporting this war on terrorism. 


We absolutely recognize the president and his administration and the fact that he has done more in this presidency than all the other presidents, the last four or five, six combined, against terrorism.  But you know what, I think the obvious mistake that is being made is this.  Too much, too much of the burden for this war on terrorism is being placed on the military and the military actions, and really the military actions are only as good as the policies that they support.


And we do not have the clear, concise, and deliberate policy that we need on terrorism yet, because if we did, this wouldn't have happened. 


SCARBOROUGH:  This would have never happened, and again, to put a proper perspective on this, there is no doubt, I agree with you, this administration has done more to fight terrorism. 


STETHEM:  Absolutely. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Obviously, part that is just the times—than the past four or five combined.  I think they are doing a great job in a lot of areas, but here, again, a shameful lapse. 


Clinton, let me bring you in here.  Talk about Robert.  Talk about the situation when you knew that this terrorist had killed your friend. 


CLINTON SUGGS, TWA FLIGHT 817 SURVIVOR:  Well, right from the beginning, when they singled out Robert and myself as being in the military, they started with Robert, and they brutally beat him, and they executed him, Hamadi did.  And he was brought to justice, and now he is released, and, you know... 


SCARBOROUGH:  And, Clinton, he was killed, right—he was killed and you were tied up and beaten.  Why?  Because you all were in the military, right? 


SUGGS:  Correct. 


SCARBOROUGH:  How did they find that out? 


SUGGS:  We were traveling with military documents and military I.D.  cards.  And...


SCARBOROUGH:  And the second you handed those over, you said you knew you made a big mistake, right? 


SUGGS:  Well, it wasn't a big mistake. 


It was to surrender our I.D. cards to not bring as much attention to ourselves for not having passports at the time, so it seemed better to surrender than to make a fuss and then really become noticeable. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  Right. 


And you also—you were blindfolded, along with Mr. Stethem, and both of you were beaten very badly, weren't you? 


SUGGS:  That is correct.  Robert was beaten several times, from the beginning of the flight, within 20 minutes, and then he was severely beaten in Beirut, the first trip.


And the second trip, it was just—it's when they killed Bob.  It was


·         he had no way to defend himself.  He was tied with his hands behind his back, blindfolded, and there was nothing he could do.  And, you know, that's terrorism, and that's what terrorism is, and our government went out as steaming to bring terrorism to justice.  And then when it was brought to justice, the ball was dropped several administrations ago, and then now, we have come back to make a full force, like we are going to do something.


But when it comes to making sure these people are convicted and spend their time for the crimes they commit, they just walk, and now they are back home.  And he's a hero, and he has slipped away, and he is probably back up to where he started. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, I will tell you what, Ken, let me bring you back in here and ask you a question. 


Just I got to believe—and I know, Clinton, you have got to be completely disgusted by this, as much as, Ken, you and your family are—but what do you think our government should do?  What do you think the Israelis should do?  If they have a clean shot of this guy, you think they should take him out? 


STETHEM:  I think the Israelis should do what they know they can do and what the right thing to do is.  I think Israelis do real well on their own.  I will tell you, Joe, I will tell you what I would like to see. 


SCARBOROUGH:  But you think—you think the right thing, though, is to shoot him, kill him, like kill him the way he killed your brother? 


STETHEM:  You know what, Mohammed Ali Hamadi is running around free to commit more acts of terrorism, and my brother's wasn't the only case.  He was actually arrested bringing in liquid explosives into Germany.  He needs to be taken out, whether it's with a bullet or with a sentence, and in jail to stay.  He needs to be taken out. 


SCARBOROUGH:  You know, we are in a war on terror, and this thug is one of the key players in the war now, as far as I am concerned. 


Ken, final question.  And, again, I have supported the Bush administration.  I will continue to support them in the war on terror.  They have got guts.  The president has got a lot of guts that all of his adversaries don't have, and I salute him for that. 


But, tonight, they have screwed this up badly, Ken.  Tonight, what can you and what can me, what can our viewers in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY do to help your family out? 


STETHEM:  I will tell you what, Joe.  I would like the American people to pick up the phone and call the White House and call the State Department. 


I would like them to do that on January 3, between 9:00 a.m. and 12:00 a.m. East Coast time.  I would like them to tell the president and the elected representatives, their elected representatives, we expect the same courage, commitment, and devotion to duty from there that we all expect of our men and women in uniform. 


SCARBOROUGH:  All right. 


STETHEM:  We expect—Joe, if I could. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  Go ahead. 


(CROSSTALK)


STETHEM:  We expect them to develop a clear, concise, and deliberate policy against terrorism that includes identifying Lebanon for what it is, which is a terrorist nation.  They give safe harbor to 25 percent of the terrorists on the top 23 terrorists of the FBI's list, and one of them was more responsible—was responsible for killing more Americans than anyone else before bin Laden. 


SCARBOROUGH:  All right. 


Ken, we got to go.  Thank you, Ken. 


Thank you, Clinton. 


We are going to be following this story. 


Just because YOU say Scarborough

hasn't always supported Bush doesn't make it true.  In fact, if people like you (Bush groupies) say it, it probably isn't true at all.


I watch Scarborough's show every night.  Do you? Scarborough has always supported Bush.  But he doesn't follow him blindly like some people, and when Bush does lies or spits on the Constitution, Scarborough calls him on it.  Of course, to you, I guess if someone believes in defending the Constitution, that's a direct insult to your president.  What kind of values do you have?


I saw it on Scarborough.
The Conservative Scarborough.  The next two years are going to be very frightening.  Fasten your seat belts.  :-(
Scarborough has not always supported Bush. SM
In fact, I would give him a 50/50 on the Bush support. He is a very vocal opponent more often than not.  Believe it not, not all conservatives stick together.  Will the Bush blame game ever end?
The Anti-Republican Republican Who is Really a Republican
The whole anti-Republican Republican ruse might have succeeded, were it not for the fact that McCain's rhetoric was at odds not merely with his own voting record - 90 percent with Bush - and his own Bush-on-steroids agenda.

    Even as he was pledging to "change the way government does almost everything," the senator from Arizona announced his commitment to much, much more of the same.


    He pledged to maintain endless occupations of distant lands that empty the U.S. Treasury of precious resources that might pay for infrastructue renewal, housing and job creations initiatives for hurting Americans.


    He outlined trade and tax policies that would extend, rather than alter a failed economic status quo.


    He reintroduced flawed proposals for health care, education and entitlement reforms that Americans have wisely rejected.


    And he threatened to achieve "energy independence" by declaring:


    "We will drill..."


    "We'll drill..."


    "More drilling..."


    McCain's rhetoric was that of a liberated man declaring his independence from his party's failed president and corrupt Congresses.


    But his platform was that of Republican candidate who, for all of his talk of reform, offers the crudest continuity to a country that is crying out for change.


http://www.truthout.org/article/the-anti-republican-republican-who-is-really-a-republican


No. I love the country side in Alabama...I'm a country girl...nm

Yes killing this country - have you been out of the country the last 3 months or so
Don't you have a clue as to what is happening in America? Where have you been? Don't you listen to what is happening or are you still drinking the kool-aid. That time is over. Put the aid down and wake up. The country is being destroyed. These have been the worst 4 months in the history of bad presidents. Foreclosures are on the rise, unemployment is on the rise, 3+ trillion more in deficit and on the rise, companies shutting down, Clinton for SoS. Napolitano - one of the biggest tragedies to happen to America. The list goes on and on and on and on.

Dubya is not in office anymore. You think dubya "pulled the trigger", well the O keeps reloading it and continues to pull the trigger.
Finally

More and more are finally *getting it*.


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http://tinyurl.com/77lz7 .


 


Okay, I finally get it...
you don't want to pay a high insurance premium. You could find better uses for that money. But is it fair to tax everyone, including all those people who will use the entitlement because they apparently cannot or will not insure their own children, people like me who do struggle to pay health insurance premiums but manage to do so, is it fair to cut into our incomes even more so that it is more comfortable for you to not have to worry about a $1000 premium? You see where I am going with this? Because we, the taxpayers, including you, at all levels, are going to pay for this. Not a cigarette tax because it won't come close to covering the expansion. How is that fair? It is never going to be completely fair to all of us...and you say I keep saying $80K...you keep saying $1000 a month. There are policies that are more affordable than that. Might not be the cadillac of policies, but it would be coverage. It is about choices. Let's drop all social programs EXCEPT free health care for ALL American children (and apparently illegals as it does not seem to bother you they are included). Fund that first, DO NOT raise taxes, ANY taxes. After childrens health care is covered, whatever is left give to other entitlements. Again, what is wrong with tax cuts for those who pay their insurance premiums? Oh wait, I'm sorry. You don't want a tax cut and still pay the premium. You want it free. But again...it is not FREE. Every taxpayer in America will have to pay for it. Frankly, I think it is just as important to fix social security so that the next bunch of elderly won't be destitute...but hey, at least some of you can go on a vacation. SIGH.
Finally, but she has.....
no dignity, or honor, or shame, or anything. I think she finally listened to the people and did the math (the real math that is, not her "fuzzy" figures counting certain states votes (the ones that voted for her) but not others (the ones who voted for Obama). How does she think I feel knowing that she is out there saying my vote doesn't count because my state was for Obama. How does she think the people who voted for her in those states feel when she says their vote is not important enough because they are in Caucus' so their vote should not count. I was never in support of her as I'm sure if you've read previous posts of mine. I think there are so many many other qualified women I would have loved to see run for the white house and I think they would have done a much better job than her. She's just a really nasty person in both her political and personal life. I for one like living in America. I do not want the whole world to be one nation, one country which is what she is pushing for. I want to live in America and keep my job here. She is for sending jobs overseas. Whatever the other candidates are about, she is by far the worst of them. Well actually her and McCain are equal in "evil-ity". That's why I will write in Ron Pauls name at election time (if I can).
Finally...........
I knew there had to be someone out there who actually does their homework. He definitely has associations with some very worrisome and dangerous bed fellows but hey, some are just so anti-Republican they will vote for anything the democrats throw out there. I'm not a McCain supporter either, but Obama's past voting and lack thereof speaks for itself. He avoids invitations to speak wherever he thinks he may be called out on the carpet so to speak and can't wiggle and squirm his way through the answers and all that calm appearance will be put to test. He'll fold like a cheap tent.
ahh . . . someone finally got it.

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By Joe somebody's finally got it.
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Finally

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdk26ezVio


 


 


You know he has finally come to his
the most watched news cable channel and the only fair and balanced, he is moving to FOX!
finally got it...somehow. n/m
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W finally impeachable?
Hopefully this will lead to the impeachment of W
Below 40%, OMG, America is finally *getting it*

September 10th, 2005 11:57 am
President's Approval Rating Dips Below 40



By Will Lester / Associated Press


President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.


Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.


The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.


Finally - someone who agrees with me
I have read about her & Bill since before they ever got into the white house the first time. Their lives before they met each other, her career in the Rose Law Firm, all the "mysterious circumstances" that happened to people who disagreed with them, etc. They are both a disgrace to the Democratic party and they are tearing it apart for their own personal gain. Sure Barack is not perfect, sure he's going to push unneeded programs that will cost us money, sure I expect our taxes to be higher with him, however, she will do the same thing and worse. She wants a one-world government and she wants to be in charge of it all. I've read that she is pushing for Canada, US & Mexico to be one country and change our currency, among other things. As you said she is an evil self serving person. She cares nothing about people like me. The thing I like about Obama is his public service has shown he cares about people like me. He wants the US to be a great country and he is going to help people like me, and getting the economy back on track and our troops home. I don't trust Clinton because her voting record and the work she has done in her political career has served herself alone. Not the american people. I'm not voting for Clinton because I don't want 4 years of the same thing we had when B Clinton was in. It was a very dark time for our country and all you have to do is read to know that our taxes were the highest EVER when they were in. I don't want to go back to that and our country will be torn apart if she gets in. It just makes me very nervous to know that she is going to try something to just "place" herself in the position because she believes it is hers and nobody elses. She feels she should just be "anointed" into the position, like the Queen of England. On one other note...I could care less about J. Wright and that other minister (luckily a lot of other people feel the same). The minister of a church that he used to go to is not going to affect his position as president, however, the way Hillary has voted in the past, and the dirty money she has received, and the lobbyists who support her will affect her position if she was to be president. Just is a very scary time right now until the convention is finally done with. I'm also very interested to hear some debates between Obama and McCain. What's really getting to her that I laugh at is that it is going to be very very easy to win over McCain and she sees her chance slipping through her fingers. What she isn't realizing though is that if she was the nominee McCain would crush her because of her positions and background. Even the polls have come out and said that Obama is clearly winning over McCain but McCain is winning (or at least neck-n-neck) with Hillary.
Finally!! Someone with brains!!

Sambo's ranting and raving backed up with her "so called" facts are actually quite laughable. And then......to top it off - we have the whiners who proclaim "she backs it up with facts." HA!! Sofa King Wee Todd id!!!! Baaa, baaaa - the sheep must follow. Amazing, absolutely amazing. Watching that mass - pizza the hut Sambo - go gurgling out into space in a blaze of fire just made my day. To you, my most sincerest respect.


HOORAY!!!! Someone finally got it.
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Well, thanks for finally understanding what I was saying.
Hitler maybe, but I'd have to think about that one for a while.
Oh, did you finally get out of bed this morning? nm
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OH NO! I think we finally agree on something!


RNC is finally saying something about the bailouts. sm
RNC Draft Rips Bush's Bailouts.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/30/rnc-pushes-unprecedented-criticism-of-bailouts/
Well, you finally got one point right......... sm
God will judge you and your worthiness for admission to heaven..... And unless you are standing before Him clothed in the righteousness of Jesus, then you will be found sorely lacking.
My apologies..... you DO get it..... finally, someone
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Finally - see message
Like the poster below it does give me hope for common sense. I've been saying for the last month or so, when are people going to stand up for what is right and say enough is enough, we're not going to see our country destroyed anymore. Your statement is so true - "They went too far".

I used to be liberal in my viewpoints until what just took over. After everything they have been doing I am no longer liberal. I would love to see a third party emerge, but don't think that will ever happen in 100 years, so am glad the conservatives are finally bringing things together.

Of course you will still have the die-hard crats who will try to make up stuff about the conservatives dying off, etc, etc (you know all that balogne they are fed from the main stream media/MSNBC/CNN) but I'm just glad things are turning around.

The previous administration might not have been the greatest, but the current administration is way past worst and they soon will find the same demise. People have had enough.
Maybe you finally hounded her off the board, too.
The ones who should be banned are the ones who can't stay on their own board and do nothing but attack and gang up on other posters who don't agree with them.  Anyone who disagrees with you on your board, you tell them to get off.  Practice what you preach, loser.
Finally, a man with a plan. That's what I'm talking about.

End of 2006?
On Monday, Iraqi Interior Minister Bayan Jabr suggested U.S.-led forces should be able to leave Iraq by the end of next year, saying the one-year extension of the mandate for the multinational force in Iraq by the U.N. Security Council this month could be the last.


“By the middle of next year we will be 75 percent done in building our forces and by the end of next year it will be fully ready,” he told the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.


Ahhh...okay...I finally figured out who you really are....
and now this makes sense. You hide behind different monikers and pitch a fit and attack posters personally because you are incapable of handling disagreement. Frankly, I am not insisting anyone play with me. That, again, had nothing to do with any liberal poster other than you...and I likened you to a spoiled child, which is obvious from your actions...hardly name calling. My original post, after which you went off on me for no good reason, merely stated I was going to respect what two of the posters here were complaining about, that they did not want conservatives coming here and *making* them defend their positions because they were good people and knew they were right. I said I would respect that and just read, although I did not really understand why someone secure in their view would mind presenting it while also respecting the right of someone to disagree. Yes, that is definitely extending an olive branch. There is no need to fight and there is certainly no need to make it personal like fighting kids in a schoolyard. And, typically, under whatever moniker you use, you swoop in with the snide personal attacks. I guess you just can't help yourself.

I said I used to enjoy coming to this board because there were liberals who posted here who WERE secure in their beliefs and did not mind a lively debate at all. We did not always agree, but in some cases we did, and we respected each other's opinions. And you know that, because when you took time out from personally attacking me and every other conservative who came to this board, I am sure you read some of those posts. Yes, I know you are going to deny that I know you...but I know you. You stand out, believe me, because even if you change your moniker, your style of posting gives you away. It is always *us* and *we* like you are speaking for every liberal who comes to this board. You just gotta be you, I guess. Well, if it makes you feel better to attack me, have at it. Knock yourself out. Enjoy!
Yes! Finally I feel someone who represents me!
An intelligent, working mom, including a special needs child (which I also have). She truly does bring change and hope, and I am so proud of the Republican party today. I just brought my 8-year-old daughter over to the television and showed her and told her, be especially proud of being a girl today. You truly can do anything.
It won't really matter. Just having that hick finally
He's been a major embarrassment to the U.S. for the last 8 miserable years. You could elect Donald Duck and he'd bring a lot more credibility to the office of President of the United States than Dubya ever did on his best day. (Not that he ever HAD a best day....)
Finally - a decent interview
I caught the interview with Sarah Palin tonight.  Part 2 is on tomorrow.  I thought finally!  Someone treating her with respect.  The interview with Gibson last week was definitely a set up (been in the military and I know about investigations and such, and how to make people "uneasy").  As much as I cannot stand Hannity I have to say the interview was very respecful and not condescending.  He asked her decent questions and asked her to explain herself on some issues which she did.  When it comes to economics, energy and other issues she shows the wisdom and intelligence to understand what is happening and what needs to be done to get the problems fixed.  There was no doubt in my mind by the end of the interview she will be one of the best VPs and I have confidence enough that if something happens to JM she will do just fine.  However, JM's family lives to be quite a ripe old age so am sure he will be around for many more years to come.  I'm just glad there was finally a fair interview.  Asked her tough questions, had her explain her viewpoints and treated her with the respect she deserved.  Can't wait to see the rest of it tomorrow.  She'll be talking about how she has been treated by the media among other things.
mcClain finally sinks it

New issue of an obscure accountant's magazine with an article written by mcclain recently released. He states that he is proud of his role in deregulating the financial sector and was looking forward to deregulating health care industry.  Glub, glub, glub, down the toilet he goes.  Hoisted by his own petard.


 


Finally found someone I agree with 100% s/m

Michael Moore on Larry King.  A couple of the most striking things he said about Palin:  Would you turn the keys to your house over to someone you've known for 7 weeks?  How about dropping your kids off with someone you've known for 7 weeks while you go on vacation?  Another huge AMEN when he said Obama isn't running against McCain, he's running against ignorance.


I am well aware that Moore is a Democrat although, like me, he said he has problems with some of Obama's plans. 


Of course the Pubs were given rebuttal time and what's the first thing they did?  Attack Moore for blaming the pubs for the Wall-Street bailout.  Said, "Obama and Biden voted for it."  Bless Larry's heart, he said, "Why did you leave McCain out, he voted for it too."  Started with some cockamaney reason why Obama and Biden's vote was bad but McCain had it right.  I turned the TV off in disgust.


Right now I would vote for Michael Moore for president.  I'm sure the dems would get him a haircut and a shave and put him in a suit and he'd do just fine.


Good night all.


Did you finally emerge from your coma?
none of them can be found, except that 2006 Fox article. You might want to read up on SUBSEQUENT WMD findings. The official findings of the govt reports would be a pretty good place to start.
THANK YOU!! Finally, a voice of reason!
My head has been spinning so much over the abc comment about not starting to live until after the fourth month, or whatever it was she said, that I was just too baffled to address this. And then going on in another post about a life is a life when talking about a frog and a ferret . . . apparently totally missing the point of that post.

I believe, however, that a lot of abortions occur because the male involved does not want a child. I am not sticking up, necessarily, for the females who still have this done, but, IMHO, we STILL live in a male-dominated world and that is a huge reason for why this has become legal. I think that oftentimes it is young, scared GIRLS who subject themselves and their fetuses to this, in order to please their "man". I think that in many cases, if the female in question felt that she would have support, either from the father or from her family, she might make a different choice. Not excusing it, just saying . . . IMHO. Heck, I've seen it, and more than once.
Yeah, and they finally got rid of Beck,
longer Lou lasts on CNN. He is the only one left there who reports with his eyes open.
They're finally waking up...

USS Cole victim's mother refuses to meet with Obama.............she is shocked and said she made the wrong choice in voting for Obama.    LOVE IT!  Hate she has lost her son like so many others, but she is finally realizing this guy is a butt kisser.  These terrorists killed her son and unfortunately it took this to wake some of them up.  Now that he is so worried about torturing terrorists and closing down Gitmo, they are finally waking up to the reality that is Obama. 


Obama is letting them drop charges against terrorists for this horrible sick crime..........yep, thank all of ya'll who put him in there!


Diane McDaniels is her name.........good for you mom!  She ain't drinking his Kool-aid NO MORE!


 


 


Good...maybe we can finally get an energy
policy that relieves us from OPEC, et.al., and save our 700B a year!  Will be tough but the tough will get going again.  We need to fix the railroads to transport goods economically rather than trucking everything.  Sorry to the truckers but we have to get smart again.
GOOD GRIEF! FINALLY!!!
Excellent post.  That's what I've been trying to say all along, but it's fallen on deaf ears.  Thanks for doing a better job than I could do.
OMG, finally a poster with a BRAIN, THANKS..NM
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letter to congress/Im back finally
Hi all..finally home. Been a rough month. However, I have to say I think this letter is great and needs to go to every member of congress if it hasnt already.
Update: Pat's finally being held accountable

for his hateful words.  Israel now refuses to do business with him because of his bizarre remarks about Sharon. Needless to say, I was very happy to see this.






  MSNBC.com

Israel pulls plug on Pat Robertson deal
Officials angry over evangelical leader's comments about Sharon's stroke


The Associated Press

Updated: 8:14 a.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006



JERUSALEM - Israel won't do business with Pat Robertson after the evangelical leader suggested Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's massive stroke was divine punishment, a tourism official said Wednesday, putting into doubt plans to develop a large Christian tourism center in northern Israel.


Avi Hartuv, spokesman for Israel's tourism minister, said officials are furious with Robertson's suggestion that the stroke was retribution for Sharon's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip last summer. We can't accept this kind of statement, Hartuv said.


Robertson is leading a group of evangelicals who have pledged to raise $50 million to build the Christian Heritage Center in Israel's northern Galilee region, where tradition says Jesus lived and taught.


Under a tentative agreement, Robertson's group was to put up the funding, while Israel would provide land and infrastructure. Israeli officials believe the project will generate tens of millions of tourism dollars.


But the project now is in question in light of Robertson's comments, said Hartuv.


We will not do business with him, only with other evangelicals who don't back these comments, Hartuv said. We will do business with other evangelical leaders, friends of Israel, but not with him.


A day after Sharon's stroke on Jan. 4, Robertson suggested the prime minister was being punished for dividing God's land, a reference to the August pullout from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements.


God considers this land to be his, Robertson said on his TV program The 700 Club. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.'


Robertson's comments also drew condemnation from other Christian leaders and even U.S. President George W. Bush.


The ministry's decision was first reported in Wednesday's edition of The Jerusalem Post.


Christian center planned near Galilee
Robertson's Christian Heritage Center was to be tucked away in 35 acres of rolling Galilee hills, near key Christian sites such as Capernaum, the Mount of the Beatitudes, where tradition says Jesus delivered the Sermon of the Mount, and Tabgha -- on the shores of the Sea of Galilee -- where Christians believe Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fish.


The project underlines how ties have strengthened in recent years between Israel and evangelical Christian groups that support the Jewish state.


Israel was considering leasing the land to the Christians for free. Tourism Minister Avraham Hirschson predicted it would annually draw up to 1 million pilgrims who would spend $1.5 billion in Israel and support about 40,000 jobs.


Hirschson, however, is one of Sharon's biggest supporters, and a member of the centrist Kadima party recently founded by the prime minister.


Hartuv left the door open to continuing the project, but only with people who don't back Robertson's statements.


We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson's) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon's recovery ... are welcome to do business with us, Hartuv said. We have to check this very, very carefully.


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Finally, a party that will put a woman in power
So happy right now
Finally a compliment for our Sarah! Yes, she is brilliant....
glad one of you finally noticed!!!!!

Yeah, yeah, I know you were being saracastic, but hey.....when you're right, I will admit it.

Sarah Palin is brilliant, make no mistake. She's smarter than you are. She's smarter than the left media.

Darn right, stroke of brilliance for the lady.
I hope you do have your own business and will finally have to pay your share!
What is fair is fair! Oh, by the way...Boo!
No, what happens if you finally realize you made a mistake. nm
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So, McC finally agreed to interview with Keith O?
In the final stretch, it would make sense to me that either candidate would want to surround himself with as much positive energy as possible. It's a campaign and I don't believe it says anything about fairness, being open-minded, a candidate's intent or ability to reach across the aisle or capacity for compromise where it counts...after the election.
Bridger, I have finally recognized your problem!

DailyKos. Garbage in, garbage ou.