Frankly, don't we all cringe when the other party speaks?
Posted By: wacko on 2009-03-20
In Reply to: I do "cringe" when Obama makes speeches - because he is such a fake. nm
But that's because we anticipate the content is not going to be what we want to hear.
Bush's speeches made me cringe for other reasons - like I was embarrassed we had such an obvious moron as a leader, and the rest of the world could appreciate our sterling judgement. We might as well posted a billboard that says - we elected the stupidest guy we could get so the powers behind the throne will have an easy time of it. Nothing fake about HIM - he was sincerely, honestly stupid, and proud of it.
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And what is my party and who is my guy? Frankly,
I think Alan Keyes or Chuck Baldwin would be the far greater choices of president than any of the 2 that have been purposely foisted upon us, but in the end, I will vote for what is best for my country, a concept you obviously do not share.
Come back 6 months from now, commie, and tell me how you are faring.
I cringe when I hear this,
It is not about us, whether or not we have anything to hide, it is about the government, the constitution, our rights and our privileges. If you are willing to put up with this betrayal perpetrated upon us by our own government simply because you think it does not affect you, you are wrong. It may not affect anything that you care about now but sooner or later it will. One day something you hold dear, you believe is an inalienable right will be the soup du jour to be trampled upon and you and yours will be scrutinized and, believe you me, you won't like it, and after being so loyal to your elected officials for all this time. I suspect you will be angry. Has it come to the point that the only article of importance to Americans is fighting terrorism, that America stands for nothing else, nothing but getting the terrorists, and everything else be damned. While forcing democracy down the throats of the Middle East, we are bit by bit chipping away at our own in order to achieve that dubious distinction. You may think it is worth giving up everything that America has stood for in the past over terrorism but I do not. I see many things here at home that need to be addressed but are completely ignored and will be until 2008 at which time, if we are still here, I predict we will be learning Chinese.
I literally cringe every time I see
Nancy Pelosi. The best thing we can do is get her out of the position she is in.
I hear ya! I cringe just thinking about having to listen
to that 'nails-across-the-blackboard', shrill, nagging voice for 4 LONG years. That alone could tempt me to emmigrate elsewhere.
Biden is such an bonehead. He is definitely cringe worthy everytime he opens his mouth. nm
PP
Quite frankly.......
I'd have to say it will benefit the dems. Let's give the pubs 4 more years - that's 12 years in the white house and then, let's see the outcome. Let them clean up the mess they created.
Quite frankly........sm
It just may well be that God wants Obama in the white house for the next four years.
The only way to rise out of the ashes, is to really fall low, and quite frankly, we will all see change such as we've never witnessed in our lifetimes, should Obama and the superliberal house and senate come to pass.
You all should be scared to death, and yet you are not.
You want change.
But you won't like the change you are about to see.
So be it.
If God wants Obama in the white house, let it be.
Then a real republican can rise from the ashes and help save our sorry butts the way Reagan did three decades ago.
Quite frankly....sm
Sarah Palin is too conservative for the Republican party as it stands now. Plain and simple. The Republican party needs to turn back to the right, if it wants to survive, not go to the middle, like George Bush tried to do, and John McCain. If you travel in the middle of the road, you're gonna get run over.
If she is to be a serious contender in 2012 and beyond, she does need to gain more experience in the national arena, much the way BWT says below.
She has the right stuff, she just needs to expand upon. She is one smart and classy lady, and if she wants to, she very well may be what the Republican party needs, to get back to its roots.
I'm looking at Bobby Jindal, and also my favorite, Mitt Romney, to be leaders also, and bring us to the forefront once again.
And I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent....I'm just too conservative for the Republican party as it is now....
I frankly don't see what your problem with this is....
the people of the state of Colorado are already paying to keep those inmates with food, a roof, medical care, etc., etc. Why shouldn't those inmates give back? I don't think they should even get 60 cents an hour. They would be working to help pay for their own upkeep. Slaves?? Come ON!!!! And working right along with them should be welfare recipients who are physically able to work. They need to earn that money that is being given to them, in some form or fashion. As to farms being corporations...the vast majority of farmers in Colorado and in every other state are not corporations, but many times second, third, fourth, and on generation farmers who have to bear the brunt of production (equipment, seed, etc.) on their own dime. They need every break we can give them, and I don't see ANY reason why inmates and welfare recipients who are able-bodied cannot do that; and I don't see why anyone should have a problem with it. Why DO you have a problem with it?
Frankly...I don't care what you believe.
I will sleep soundly tonight listening to the waves crash against the shore whether you believe me or not. I am going to walk down to the pier now and ride the Ferris wheel and enjoy the marine layer before the Santa Ana winds pick up again. End of discussion.
Frankly, I would be more comfortable with YOU...
talking to them than Obama. :-)
I have not posted here for awhile because, frankly,..
I was at a loss for words. If I were one of those televangelist types I would say God did sent this hurricane/flood to expose this administration and many I-got-mine, who-gives-a-hoot-about-you Americans to the rest of the world for what our country has become...a place where racism, poverty, greed and environmental desecration have been allowed to thrive unhindered. There is money and manpower for the things this administration really believes in; power, personal accumulation of money, war and environmental apathy but none for its poorest, oldest, youngest and sickest...finally, finally, having been exposed naked to the world, perhaps we will wake up as a nation and clean house from the top on down. With God's help, and a little selflessness from everyone (not just the same people over and over and over) I believe we can overcome this tragedy and go on to be better for it; we are always better when we do the right thing. If our administration can't or won't do it, perhaps we can shame them in the eyes of the world by doing it ourselves. I am rambling here...I am just so completely stunned by the last week's events. I will stop here. Mitakuye Oyasin. Aho.
I've been working all day - and frankly...
I have had my head and mind in the computer all day working so have not heard what was said.
I did hear the biggest gaffe in a long time directly by the O. He said "our dollar is strong". What???? Has he been drinking his own kool-aid. DH just had come out for lunch and he was telling me the dollar was dropping quite rapidly. So made lunch, we sat down and on the news heard the enlightened one claim the dollar is strong today. Eegads!!!
So out of touch, but know he won't be missing another party at the wh tonight.
Frankly - I am sick, sick, sick of it all. Sick of hearing our politicians get up and bold face lie right to the camera. They're not even trying to hide it anymore. I'm sick of them working for themselves, and not doing anything to show they have an interest in getting our economy back on track or that they even care about the people anymore. I'm tired of hearing politicians have got all this money "scrolled away" at various banks throughout the world (and we're are not talking about a modest amount). I'm tired of hearing money is missing from here or there and they just decide they refuse to disclose where the money went. I'm tired of hearing them falsly pretend they are disgusted with the AIG and other bail outs then we find out their wives or other relatives work for the same companies and they are doing under-the-table deals while they have their castles on the shores of Ireland and other countries. I'm sick of hearing that they live in million dollar mansions that they are not paying anything to live and (free). I'm sick of hearing about the crooks we have in Washington and tired of hearing all these TV/Radio shows talk and complain about it but do nothing about it. I'm tired of having to pay so much in taxes that I can hardly live anymore yet if you are in politics/WA you don't have to pay taxes. And I'm tired of hearing people excuse them and say that's okay, just as long as one party or the other is not in office. In which case they don't care.
By all means, I'm not directing this at any one person in specific so please nobody take any offense. I'm just so sick of everything going on in the news and what is happening with the country I'm just blowing off steam here. By now I thought I would have some at least some job growth. Even if it was just one company in all of America that is hiring. Is that too much to ask. Just one company in all of America to show some growth, and maybe then it would spur on others.
I'm just sick of it all and thinking of taking a seriously long break from listening to the news anymore. If I'm not watching the country go down the tubes on the TV, then I listen to Hannity whine about it but offer no solutions, and at the same time I turn to Olberman and the MSNBC crowd and they praise what is going on. So rather than "blow a gasket" (in my head) I think I will tune out all news and come here and see who said what and then go check it out. Otherwise, I feel like one of the characters in Orwell's 1984 movie.
Frankly gt you are pretty disturbing all by your lonesome. I'd like to think
there's only one of you.
Nice deflection to Palin....I am just frankly...
amazed that you think a debate is more important than the crisis we are in, and still fully support and back a man whose answer to it is "they will call me if they need me." If this is how he is going to govern, no thanks. He is, after all, a sitting senator who WE are paying, and this crisis should be his FIRST priority as an elected senator, let alone as a person running for the Presidency. Frankly, I don't care a DARN what he is going to SAY in a debate. I would like, for once, to see him actually DO something. DO something!!!!!
No thanks. Frankly, the thought of you touching me gives me the heebie jeebies. nm
Frankly, I thought it was an insult to the Monkey, and Curious George, also, he was intelligent!...n
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Hot Air..........name speaks for itself
Yes, all Americans who cannot tolerate 4 more years of the same are terrified by this candidate who puts her religion above the needs of our country........and rightly so
I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
History speaks for itself. sm
You are simply ignorant of it and I said it was ONE of the reasons, not the only reason. Still trying to twist my words and worm out that you don't know history at all! Do you EVER watch the History Channel? Read historical books, not just college course books. I am through talking to you. People who can't even admit they are wrong and try to put the onus on someone else aren't worth talking to. Besides, you are so filled with hatred, I am surprised you didn't say how ugly Bush's daughters are just to throw that in just one more time.
Record speaks for itself.
Been there, done that, and agree with OP - Cons have been grossly hypocritical about demanding dissenters leave their board, then sneaking over here to post nasty comments.
A vet speaks out about Bush
From Capitol Hill Blue
The Rant
A vet speaks out about Bush
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 30, 2005, 06:34
Tim Abbott is a Vietnam veteran who lives in the Southwestern Virginia town of Hillsville, a conservative, blue-collar community that tends to vote Republican and bleed red, white and blue.
But, like an increasing number of veterans, Abbott is fed up with President George W. Bush.
“Bush talks a lot about freedom, courage, transparent government and the rule of law. He talks,” Abbott says. “His speeches are carefully choreographed before audiences of his faithful -- often Christian fundamentalists or, to paraphrase Bush, Christian-fascists -- and they must sign loyalty oaths to Bush. He speaks before audience after audience of soldiers and sailors who cannot speak except as directed by the White House.”
Normally, such comments would be risky in a mountain town where Patriotism rules supreme but Abbott expressed his views this week in an op ed article for The Roanoke Times and found many people agreeing with him.
“When I think of Bush, I do not think of liberty and courage, compassion and justice. No, I think of arrogance, greed and lies,” Abbott wrote. “He is a thug, a buffoon and a coward. Not only is he incompetent, he is corrupt.”
In normal times, these would be fighting words and Abbott would do well to avoid lunch at the Hillsville Diner, the Main Street eatery where the locals gather to discuss politics. But George W. Bush’s times are not normal times and Abbott is greeted warmly on the streets of Hillsville.
“In his Mission Accomplished foray, (Bush) wore a military uniform, something no president has done since Washington, and Washington only wore the uniform to quell a rebellion,” Abbott says. “Around the world he has replaced the Soviet Gulag with the Bush Gulag, where men may be tortured.”
Abbott’s comments come when this web site revealed that the Pentagon has ordered soldiers home from Iraq for holiday leave to give pro-war interviews to their hometown newspapers and television station. This does not surprise a veteran who learned about military duplicity in Vietnam.
“Others before whom he speaks may ask no questions. He runs from journalists, as we have seen in China, even on those rare occasions that he speaks before them,” Abbott says of Bush. “Even worse, he has paid journalists to say good things about him and his policies. He also produces propaganda from government offices that he offers as news reports. And any protests against his policies are diverted well away from his sight and hearing.”
In recent weeks, I’ve spoken with dozens of vets of Vietnam, Desert Storm and the present invasion of Iraq and most speak with anger towards Bush and his policies.
Soldiers serve under a code of honor, something they say Bush lacks.
“Bush is of a kind with the dictators; a strutting, sanctimonious buffoon who talks democracy but acts like Saddam Hussein,” Abbott says. “Bush might differ in degree from Hussein, not having been in power as long, but in behavior, with torture and the corruption of government, they are of a kind.
“While al-Qaida is an enemy of the values and principles of the United States and Western civilization and must be confronted, it can do no more than kill people and destroy property.
“Bush can subvert our principles and institutions. He is the greater enemy.”
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actually what you name your children speaks
What about the lady that named her daughter Emer Gency because that's the sign she saw going into the hospital? Sure this may be folklore but if you are an MT you know like I do people make really poor choices when it comes to naming thier kids and I would never elect one of those braniacs VP!!!
Geez. Well this speaks for itself. nm
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No one said he speaks for all the Jews
don't ass-u-me.
It's funny, you say you get Christianity "shoved" down your throat everywhere, but everywhere I go I get sex, violence, and other "worldly" things that I find disgraceful shoved down mine. I'm expected to sit by and just accept all that without saying anything, but you (and others who think your way) should be allowed to say that we have to get out of everything but our homes and churches? Do you not see the double standard? Those of us who want to live the Christian life can't even go into the mall without seeing sex ads and innuendos about cheating, and lately I can't walk through a store without hearing someone using filthy language left and right. But I should just put up with it, right?
That is good. I look forward to seeing how she speaks and...sm
how knowledgable she is when answering unscripted questions or delivering a speech.
Your ignorance speaks for itself. Can;t stoop low enough
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The Bible speaks of all this but seeing it happen
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I most certainly do not turn off the TV every time he speaks
I listen carefully to every word he says, same as I do Obama. Thus far all I have heard from McCain is that "that one" is lying about. I would PREFER to hear what he proposes. I am perfectly capable of listening to Obama and deciding for myself without McCain's ( or Palin's) input.
The lack of one pretty much speaks for itself...
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Here's the audio...........speaks volumes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg
well dubya speaks like a child and he scares the
is what counts and clearly Dubya is lacking in that department and Obama is not.
McCain's low profile on this speaks volumes.
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McCain: What you are speaks so loud, I cannot hear
what you are saying.
The bimb* comment speaks volumes....
tell me....why would you vote in the same party who are to blame for this financial crisis through horrible, self-serving decision making?
That frightens me more than this answer.
What you are speaks so loudly I cannot hear what you are saying McCain
I could never vote for this kind of person "my friends" - no one is perfect and especially politicians, but there is a limit to what I am going to believe.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=9559
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/mccain-bailout-plan-new-work/story.aspx?guid=%7BA2FC6CCF-D8FB-4725-8695-F6FBB2FD1650%7D
From U.S. Veteran Dispatch
McCain's Divorce
Before John McCain's tour of duty in Vietnam, he married Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia. On his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam in 1967, McCain was shot down and captured.
While he was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (1969), thrown through her car's windshield and left seriously injured. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.
When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight."
Yearning to make the grade of admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.
In his book, The Nightingale's Song, Robert Timberg chronicled McCain's post-Vietnam military assignments and some of his "adulterous" behavior leading to his divorce from Carol and marriage to Cindy Hensley.
Timberg wrote, "in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather [both were Navy admirals], since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path."
While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs." Such behavior was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates..
Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."
In 1979 at a military reception in Honolulu, McCain met Cindy Hensley, an attractive 25-year-old woman from a very wealthy politically-connected Arizona family. Cindy's father, Jim, founded the Hensley and Company, the nation's third-largest Anheuser-Busch distributor.
McCain described their first meeting, "She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 17 years my junior but poised and confident. I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation. When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening's end, I was in love."
While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 -- just a month after dumping Carol and securing a divorce. The newlyweds honeymooned in Hawaii.
McCain followed his young, millionairess wife back to Arizona where her father helped catapult McCain into politics,
Today, Cindy Hensley McCain is chairwoman of Hensley's board of directors. Hensley and Company financial reports show assets worth a minimum of $28 million for the McCains..............As he says.....character counts.......
This little blurb speaks volumes about Obama (sm)
Indeed, if Obama had had his way, all American combat troops would have been withdrawn from Iraq by March 2008, which would have led to civil war and genocide; an unprecedented victory for al-Qaeda and Islamic jihadists; and a boon to Iran.
This speaks volumes about the character of the man who would be president
Saying you "ain't" a republican speaks volumes.
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Your ignorance speaks volumes.......I have read it
maybe you just failed reading comprehension in general!!!
I would say that the lack of his demise being plastered all over the news speaks s/m
quite well for his health.
The pubs inability to nominate an honest VP SPEAKS VOLUMES!
And to top it off, she was stupider than Bush! Hahahahahahahaha!
Uh oh. Looks like the party's over.
Sharpen up those cat claws.
What about the other party?
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me and my party?
All I asked was if this was more divisive. I said nothing about any party or who I would prefer to see win. I said nothing hateful or vicious. Give it a rest, will ya?
Pub party?
Cool! Can I pick the pub, and will you bring 'nother fattie for the parking lot?
I am not of the pub party.
There are a lot of things to fault Obama for already. Just because you are too blind to see it just shows that you are so into democratic rhetoric that you can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie.
I truly feel sorry for people who are so caught up in the party lines (and this goes for both dems and pubs) that they refuse to see politicians for who they truly are.
Barrack Obama is a liar and he is so obvious about his lying it is amazing that you people can't even see it when it is RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE!!!
new party
I am so disgusted with all these folks in office, I am ready to start my own party. I think I will call it the Repo Party with the main objective being to take our country back. And we will be voting on daylight savings time, just for starters.
party time..
You party for your reasons, I party for me..Fortunately, right now democrats and the like minded have many things to party for..YEEHHAAWW!! Bye bye Scooter, bye bye Rove, bye bye incompetent Bush, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Our party definitely needs to step up. sm
It's come to the point that I don't even know what our party values anymore. Just a bunch of different groups trying to elevate their cause with no clear focus. What is our agenda? I'm listening, but our elected officials are not talking.
Is Senator Kennedy the last Dem standing? At least he and Murtha speak their minds and challenge this administration. And I'm dog tired of hearing what the republicans got wrong. Though I think they have a nice stack of issues, I want to hear what our party is going to do to fix the Iraqi situation, what would they do in Louisiana and Missisippi differently if they had the ball in their court and what are they willing to fight for to effect change? What will they do to make America safer from domestic and foreign terrorists? Offer up some solutions. Maybe they have, but I haven't heard anything.
Hillary, though I'm still a fan of hers, seems to ride whichever wave she's on. Howard Dean is a live wire who says the first thing that floats to his brain, off the wall. He does not have the carisma to lead the party to victory IMHO.
As far as the republicans, I'm tired of hearing about gay marriages and abortions. I do not think these are America's main issues, not even close. I want to hear something other than rhetoric about how good Iraqi is doing too.
And I was just having a conversation earlier this week with a friend of mine who agrees with me that we have seen MORE gays and lesbians emerge since Bush took office. And before you get it wrong conservatives, I'm not saying he is creating them. It may be that the gays are rebelling and being more blatant with it to spite the anti-gay politicians, and/or all of the attention brought to gay marriage and gay this and that have only lured more young people into this culture as a reverse effect. I think the latter is more likely because rewind back to 2000, it was less likely you would see woman/woman, man/man hand in hand in the supermarket. Now, it's just as normal as man/woman and I'm in the bible belt, Alabama.
I agree with the poster who asked the question *where was THIS Al Gore 8 years ago?* Maybe, they'll wise up and make him head of the DNC. Say, *Thanks Dr. Dean for your services but we won't be needing them anymore.*
Either way, this administration NEEDS more disenting voices with SOLUTIONS-this is key-not just rhetoric because on major issues they have been allowed to runamuck basically uncontested for the last five years.
If we keep it up at this rate though I agree it's bad news for America.
*We tend to believe our party*...sm
Re-reading my postI can see how I misspoke. What I was trying to get across, and my post was not directed at you BTW, was that psychologically people tend to put more trust in and defend the party they support by default. Whether you are a registered republican or not, you support the republican party, and I glean that from your statement *I have not seen a Democrat I could vote for in good conscious.* And whether you are aware of it or not, you defend that party tooth and nails on here, and there is nothing wrong with that if they follow your belief systems.
Good for you for criticizing Foley, and any other person who is inappropriate with the pages. I have said here before I do not know why Studds didn't stepdown and more importantly why he was reelected. I'm against his having a relationship with a page as much as I am Foley.
As to Juanita, I understand you are personally connected with her in some way, so you will obviously be more sensitive to her situation than I will. I am looking at the big picture. Since she did not come forward in 1978, the statue of limitations gone, all she can do is tell her story, and Clinton has a story. Like I said her story is believable. She has proven genuine and not making claims out of spite or for money. I think it was Brunson who posted ladies that Clinton was supposed to have either raped or sexually harrassed earlier this year. Out of them all, Juanita was the only one I believe has substance.
I disagree with you again; when it was brought up that conservative presidents were accused of rape below, it was rebutted with *that was only one time...but..but..but..* That's rationalizing and minimizing.
I know your mind is made up about Vincent Foster, but this is what's on snopes.com. What I find interesting is the *suicide note.*
White House deputy counsel Vince Foster committed suicide on the night of 20 July 1993 by shooting himself once in the head, a day after he contacted his doctor about his depression. A note in the form of a draft resignation letter was found in the bottom of his briefcase a week after his death. (Note that this letter was not, as is often claimed, a suicide note. It was Foster's outline for a letter of resignation.) Foster cited negative Wall Street Journal editorials about him. He was also upset about the much-criticized role of the counsel's office in the controversial firing of seven White House travel office workers.
On 10 October 1997, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr released his report on the investigation into Foster's death, the third such investigation (after ones conducted by the coroner and Starr's predecessor, Robert B. Fiske) of the matter. The 114-page summary of a three-year investigation concluded that Foster shot himself with the pistol discovered in his right hand. There was no sign of a struggle, nor any evidence he'd been drugged or intoxicated or that his body had been moved.
If Foster had been murdered or if unanswered questions about his death remained, Starr would have been the last person to want to conclude the investigation prematurely. Or are we to believe Starr is part of the cover up, too? And if we buy into the conspiracy theory, what are we expected to believe? That a group of professional killers capable of carrying out dozens of murders all over the world shot Vince Foster, then clumsily dumped him in a park (after he had bled out), planted a gun he didn't own in his hand (without bothering to press his fingerprints onto it), amateurishly forged a suicide note (in several different handwritings), and then seriously expected the nation would believe it was suicide? Claims too crazy to believe are never discounted when they're needed to help establish a conspiracy, of course.
Oh, and did you check out the Bush body count??
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