Foster her belief?????
Posted By: not so..........sm on 2008-10-09
In Reply to: You are the one who put forth the site to foster your belief. It ...sm - MQMT
His campaign has actually admitted they "overlooked" that information and failed to report it. Now you're saying his own campaign is a lie?
An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. -- a subsidiary of ACORN -- worked in "get-out-the-vote" projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.
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was a dead end.
Vince Foster...
You are right...I was not there. But I have read the public records, and it is pretty obvious to me the man did not commit suicide. The ME at the site said he had a big wound in his neck, not in the back of his head. The *official* autopsy mentions no neck wound, and says he had an exit wound in the back of his head. I have seen the picture they took of his hand holding the gun at the scene. No blood on the gun, his hand, or his sleeve. Not massive amounts of blood at the scene like you would expect if he was shot where they found him. You tell me how someone shoots himself through the roof of the mouth and gets no blowback on the hand, gun, or sleeve. Physically impossible. I guess you also don't remember that *someone* cleaned his office out before the Park Police could get there, and documents from his office were later found in the White House private residence with Hillary's fingerprints on them...even though she swore she had not been there nor had the documents...and the fact that her aide showed the park police Vince Foster's briefcase, they all thoroughly searched it including dumping it upside down, no suicide note; two weeks later one miraculously appeared in that same briefcase. The whole thing just reeks. If he was really their friend (and he had been with them during the Arkansas days) and they were NOT involved in it, they should have pushed to have it investigated. They did not.
The only thing Vince Foster had to do with Juanita Broaddrick was the fact that knowing what happened to him, would you blame someone for not wanting to cross the Clintons? I was making a comparison, not saying Vince Foster had anything directly to do with the sex scandal. What Vince Foster had to do with was Whitewater and that mess, because he had been a partner with Hillary in the Rose Law Firm. Vince's problem was he knew too much. All that was about to hit the fan when he so conveniently *committed suicide.*
As to Juanita Broaddrick, like I said...you don't know her. I do. And I believe her. There are women every day who do not press rape charges for many, many reasons. This would have been very high profile, he was the governor of Arkansas and no one much wanted to cross him and more importantly his wife. In that part of the country they had a lot of power, and yes, there are a LOT of people who have turned up dead around them. You say coincidence, I say you gotta be kidding to say that.
It is easy for you to say it is just her story about Juanita. You didn't see how it affected her and affected her family, good people who did not deserve what happened to them. And everything Clinton did afterward just proved to me again and again he was exactly what she painted him as and worse. God willing nothing like that will ever happen to you and someone will never minimize an already horrible thing by saying your story is just, well, your story.
Time to stop beating this dead horse. You cannot be objective about it, because as you said, you are more likely to trust your party. You are incapable of looking at it objectively. Well, my friend, I have no party. Especially one that will make me take leave of my common sense. And saying you are sure that if it is Bush, or Reagan, under these accusations I would defend them...you could not be more wrong. If you would take off your liberal party hat and think about it objectively...there are way too many stories involving Bill, way too many stories involving Hillary, sex scandals, dead bodies, you name it. For you to be able to pass that off as coincidence....again I say it, that is why people look at Democrats and call them Kool-aid drinkers. Whatever the party says...becomes the truth. It's like you join and relinquish common sense.
Trust me in this...if Bill Clinton were a Republican I would be saying the same things I am saying now. I am talking about a man who happens to be a Democrat. The man is morally bankrupt and as I said and will say one more time, that is not because he is a liberal Democrat. But BECAUSE he is a liberal Democrat, his party not only enables but encourages his behavior by making excuses for him no matter what he does. And the fact that none of you seem to be able to see that and blindly defend him is just freaking amazing to me.
I have criticized Republicans; I criticized Foley. He was a deviant and he should have resigned. I would never defend him. What I did point out was that several years early a Democratic congressman admitted to actually having sex with an underage page, but publically said it was consensual and had nothing to do with his job in Congress. And what did his Democrat colleagues do? Agree with him. Censure him? No. What did his constituents do? Re-elected him. Do you see what I am talking about? Burn Mark Foley at the stake but let the Democratic congressman who actually had sex with an underage male page go right on about his business. It is a nasty, nasty double standard. The big problem is, NONE of you seem to see that it is a double standard.
By the way, I am not a registered Republican. I registered Independent, and only registered as that because you have to register as SOMETHING to vote in this country. I vote my convictions, I don't care what party he or she belongs to. However, over these last years, I have to admit, I have not seen a Democrat I could vote for in good conscience, because of this seeming inability to think for themselves outside their party. Finally you admitted it when you said *we tend to believe our party.* Except it is more than tend...it is 99.9% of the time.
I worry for all of you. Not that you care if I worry...but I do. God bless!
Vince Foster....
THat is your side. This is mine...go to this site and read....documents, pictures are there. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html
And yes, I believe Ken Starr could have been induced to be part of a coverup. Perhaps guilt over that is what drove him after Clinton in later years. Who knows? But what is at that site is certainly enough for me to have very serious doubts about Vince Foster committing suicide. I think the picture of the gun in his hand is the most damning myself. There is absolutely no blood on the gun, his hand, or his sleeve, and his fingerprints were not on the gun. Come on now...he shot himself in the head and then wiped his fingerprints off the gun???
I never said international hit men killed him. I don't believe they did. I lean more toward some of the Arkansas contingent myself. Probably some of those who later ended up dead. We will just agree to disagree. I believe the evidence on the site I posted is much stronger than Snopes, who is presenting the *government* side of it.
I wouldn't talk about *conspiracies if I were you...remember Hillary and her *vast right wing conspiracy* theory? Hillary obviously believes in them and no wonder....she has probably been in the heart of several.
Rationalizing and minimizing...excuse me. Try the truth. It is well documented that the woman who accused Bush (and also said she was gang raped by Bush and two FBI agents, who also raped her husband) was, to put it kindly, off her rocker. Kitty Kelley is the one who accused Reagan in a book about Nancy Reagan, and the actual accuser never did come forward. I have no way of knowing whether or not Reagan forced himself on that woman. I can look at the facts of the Bush case and I would highly doubt that he and two FBI agents gang-raped that woman and her husband....
gimme a break. All of Clinton's accusers knew him personally and contact with him and he paid one of them off to hush. Then there was Monica. That is a pattern of behavior, Democrat. Not anything similar to an isolated accusation made from a sick mind and someone wanting to get rich on a tell-all salacious book. Again you prove my point. To you they two are the same, and they are absolutely NOT the same. What you don't get is if it were reversed, and Clinton had the one accusation from a lunatic and Bush had women coming out of the woodwork accusing him of sexual harrassment and rape, I would be castigating Bush just like I am castigating Clinton. You have, however, proven that you WOULD NOT do so. And the majority of Democrats won't. I have NEVER heard a Democrat take Clinton to task for what we KNOW he has done, much less for what we SUSPECT he has done. And THAT, as I have said a gazillion times, IS MY POINT.
No, I have not checked out the Bush body count, was not aware there was one. Can't believe if there was anything credible it was not trotted out during the last presidential election. Are you talking about the executions while he was governor of Texas or what?
yea, to foster relations.........uh, huh, that's right
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Conspiracy theories about Vincent Foster...sm
Vincent's death will always be a mystery. I wasn't there, you weren't there, so who is to say what actually happened? Personally, I don't believe the Clintons are murderers, or at the top of some killing machine as some wing nuts suggest. That's not a small accusation, and to make the claim there should be lots of evidence to back it up.
If the Clintons were smart enough to have so many people murdered w/o a trace, then why in the world would he allow himself to be drug through the mud on a sex scandal and ML still alive to tell her story? Another mystery. And what does Vincent Foster have to do with the sex JB scandal anyway? Most of what I read is s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n. I had to say that slow because somebody going to miss it. Anyway, I have no doubt right wingers would give Regan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr the benefit of the doubt with these type of accusations flying around. I've seen it done, over and over.
Check out the link below. I don't buy any of it, but it's tit for tat since right-wingers are so sure Clinton has a stack of dead bodies somewhere. The psychology of it all is that we are more likely to trust (give the benefit of the doubt or assume innocence until proven guilty) our party.
Albeit nearly 30 years after the fact, Juanita's story is the only one that makes me say *hmmmm, maybe.* I've seen her on interviews and she seemed genuinely distraught. It is unfortunate that she waited 20 years to speak out and did not press charges (that I know of). Now her story is just, well, her story.
The rest of the women, who *claimed* Clinton raped or harrassed them turned around then and took benefit from their claims in some monetarily or fame seeking fashion. Sorry if I think their stories hold little to no merit.
to foster relations with the Muslim voters...
both campaigns are needing those votes - not just Obama. There are Muslims in this country that are American citizens and they do get a vote too.
and more on Vince Foster...answers to some of your questions ala Ken Starr...
CLINTON’S LAST PHONE CALL TO FOSTER
All these inconsistencies in the Foster cover-up involve Bill Clinton’s conflicting versions of his final conversation with Foster. When first asked, Clinton said he couldn’t remember when he last spoke with Foster or what was discussed.
Number 1 version:
Date of call: Unknown
Purpose of call: Unknown
When he was asked a second time he claimed he spoke with Foster Sunday night, 2 days before his death.
Number 2 version:
Date of call: Sunday, July 18
Purpose of call: Invite Foster to movie
Clinton redrafted his story a third time, changing the date of his call to Monday, the night before Foster’s death. According to Time Magazine, at this point Clinton still maintained he was unaware of Foster’s depression.
Number 3 version:
Date of call: Monday, July 19
Purpose of call: Invite Foster to movie
When the White House Press Office announced depression as the reason behind Foster’s suicide, Clinton then redrafted a 4th version claiming the purpose of this call was to cheer up his friend.
Number 4 version:
Date of call: Monday, July 19
Purpose of call: To cheer up Foster
The question becomes, not if Clinton lied, but why he lied.
Excerpt Below: The Secret Life of Bill Clinton - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard:
I once asked a gathering of thirty Washington journalists what they considered to be the most compelling evidence that Vincent Foster committed suicide. There was a brief silence, then somebody said: ‘Well, he was depressed.’
It was a very good answer. The depression is all they have, and by ‘they’ I mean Fiske, Starr, the Justice Department, the White House, The Washington Post, the governing class. Take that away, and there is nothing left to sustain the ruling of suicide. Nothing.
‘Pontius Pilate of the Potomac’ –is how Starr was described in a blistering denunciation by James Davidson, the editor of the newsletter Strategic Investment. ‘Starr will fade, but he will not be forgotten. Historians will certainly have something to say about him. ‘When The Decline and Fall of the United States’ is written, Starr will merit a chapter. He will be seen as a weak, temporizing man who lacked the force of character to confront a corrupt system.’
Your belief
The fact that God may not have willed the way a person came into the world, does not mean He has not planned a purpose for that individual. Long before anyone is conceived, God’s purpose for that life is foreseen.
This is your belief, not mine and not the belief of everyone. If people put as much passion in feeding the hungry as they did the anti-choice movement, I do believe the world would be a better place.
Your are right that you can't equate the too. It is much easier to go out and murder someone with a gun that it is to have an abortion.
Anyway, is it too quiet on your board again? This is the liberal board last I checked. I have never posted on your board (and never intend to).
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that Vietnam was a starting point to what is happening now, or at least how we got out of Vietnam. There have been many stepping stones since then, the Iran hostage crisis, Carter's abandonment of the Shah of Iran, the numerous terrorist acts perpetrated against the United States since then. I have read more than one Middle East expert draw the links to what finally emboldened the radical Islamists to attack us on 9/11. It is a documented fact that the war protests prolonged the Vietnam war, not shortened it, prolonged it, because North Vietnam was ready to surrender after Tet. General Giap said this in his book. However, the NV felt the war protests would turn public sentiment enough that the United States would withdraw. So NV stayed in the fight.
Finally, I will ask you a question that needs to be asked perhaps even more than do you want us to win. The question is, what if you're wrong.
This is really beyond belief
Prez-O has been in office not even 4 months, and suddenly all the crap that the God-fearing Dubya did is being laid at BO's doorstep? BO got into office because of all those things- Dubya destroyed the economy, was eroding democratic principles, and the bailouts of industry started under him. So run by me again where any of the mess this country is in is Prez-O's fault? Really, though, I guess the only surprise here is that you didn't blame him for the war in Iraq...but I guess religion isn't the only thing some people can have an unfounded belief in.
This is the mindset and belief of the
elected. True born-again believers, Christians, cannot vote for this person. He does not stand for anything that God teaches us. He claims to be a believer, but I am afraid of what he does and does not believe in. I am sure there are some Christians who are persuaded they are right in voting for him and so be it. But every person who speaks out against Jesus Christ, the Church, and anything moral and decent will quickly defend Obama and be proud of it! WHY?
Then I would question their belief in
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Belief in God and in evolution are not
in the REAL world. No cop-out here, but I am wondering where this edge of hostility is coming from? If you are getting ready to lecture me, convert me, prosthelitize me, save me or whatever, PLEASE take it to the religion board. The thread is about the EU.
This is really beyond belief..and not just cuz I'm a a heathen
Prez-O has been in office not even 4 months, and suddenly all the crap that the God-fearing Dubya did is being laid at BO's doorstep? BO got into office because of all those things- Dubya destroyed the economy, was eroding democratic principles, and the bailouts of industry started under him. So run by me again where any of the mess this country is in is Prez-O's fault? Really, though, I guess the only surprise here is that you didn't blame him for the war in Iraq...but I guess religion isn't the only thing some people can have an unfounded belief in.
contrary to popular belief
Bush did not enact the Patriot Act.
Using that belief to try to restrict the freedom of
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sounds like you equate belief with fanaticism.
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Contrary to popular belief.....the rich pay the
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Contrary to popular belief, O supporters
as their divine Savior. Rather, he is just a fine American who cares deeply about his country, running for the highest office in the land. He has the strength to step up to the plate, turn a blind eye toward all that would seek to destroy him and do his best to tackle the mop-up job after one of the most devastating administrations in the history of our country. More that this, we cannot ask. He is calm, thoughtful, inspiring, steady, intuitive and gifted with an uncanny ability to inspire millions of Americans in the throes of an economic collapse to unite behind the simple notion that we can do better, that we are at the dawn of a new day and that our shared imperative is to embrace optimism and confidence in ourselves and in his leadership. In comparison to his opponent, who would use shrub style politics of fear to scare us into voting for him and thinks nothing of igniting culture wars and stoking the fires of division for political gain, there is no contest. Obama deserves the respect he has gained and without a doubt, he the best man for the job.
My belief? "late-term abortion" or partial-birth abortion" = infanticide, it is sickening
So in these cases I do think, as in most things, there is no ABSOLUTE, but a judicious guideline for this should be investigated and established by the medical community, as far as survival/outcome, but then we must be willing to prosecute mothers and doctors who go outside the guidelines...with established jail terms....and more money to house these "criminals" for years. Why not let God by the ultimate judge, He has the wisdom and the power, and eternity without God is worse than anything we as humans can mandate, don't you think?
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