For crying out loud. His target group IS workers
Posted By: who pay taxes. If a person's wages....sm on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: My thoughts exactly. Nonsense. How can he? - sam
are so low that they come up not owing tax at the end of the year, then it would not be possible to give them a tax cut or a tax credit, unless it is a refundable tax credit. So far, you have not provided any evidence that Obama is proposing a REFUNDABLE tax credit. As a matter of fact, why do you supposed he call this tax credit "Making WORK pay." The credit will zero out at zero tax liability unless it is a refundable tax credit. Again, it seems like you cannot produce any evidence that this is the case. Or can you? What about the socialist question with regard to progressive tax reform proposals only being socialist at Obama's hands, an no other president in history since 1913, including the 7 republicans who raise the top income bracket rates to as high as 63% to 94%, as opposed to Obama, whose intent is to restore that rate back to 39.6% as it was in 2000 when Bush took office?
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For crying out loud!
it's a FAMILY. There are two little girls who were promised a puppy a long time ago by their parents -- win or lose -- after the election to reward them for tolerating the rigors of the campaign for such a long time.
One of the daughters is allergic, so that limits the breeds from which they can choose, and he said their first preference was to get a shelter dog, "a mutt like me," but because of the allergy, they might not be able to do that.
They're a normal family, and I think they're a beautiful family. Why would any other family in the United States give a pet to their children? Hopefully, the puppy's personality will match President-Elect Obama's and be even tempered and friendly, as opposed to the current White House canine that, unfortunately, reflects its owner's personality and bit a reporter the other day.
I personally believe this man has the capacity to be the best President in United States history. All he needs is a chance, but when people get so petty as to criticize his decision to give his daughters a PUPPY, then it's clear that some people simply won't ever give him a chance, and that's so, so sad.
Oh for crying out loud on a crutch!!!!
One can't win for losing! I've already said I'm a hillbilly, born and bred, so if you think I'm ridiculing anyone then consider I am ridiculing myself!!!! Get over being so hung-up on Sara Palin, will ya?? Not everything revolves around her.
Oh for crying out loud on a crutch!
I am NOT a Democrat. I am capable of independent thinking for myself thank you very much.
Oh for crying out loud on a cripple's crutch!!!!
Can you not READ? Did I not post the issues......whatever they're called.... along with the date of the vote? Check it out for yourself. The voting record is good enough for me but you rabid pubs wouldn't believe anything against John McCain if God Himself came down and wrote it on the end of your nose.
Oh for crying out loud on a cripple's crutch!!!!
lighten up. I would never make light of Jesus and I take hearty exception to your even suggesting such a thing. I do believe I was replying to someone who (I hope) posted a tongue-in-cheek statement that I might be the next messiah. I am IMPRESSED BY NO ONE.
Yesterday IBM laid off American workers but kept Indian workers, SM
and I'm sure they don't make chump change. Looks like we are becoming Zimbabwe! Thank O for that.
Yup, they sure are! And right on target!
nm
Right on target!
Made sure my daughter knew what to avoid and she in turn taught my granddaughter. Good thing, my granddaughter was not afraid to tell her mother when an older boy asked her to put his...........in her mouth. My daughter called CPS.
Seems pretty on target to me :o)
Tongue in cheek..but I gotta tell ya, some of this is true, from my experience living in NY, CA and VA.
Subject: Dear Friends, (Retirees and Those Planning to Retire. Here are some very helpful tips that are just too true to ignore:
As we all know, when we hit retirement age we come face to face with the fact that it may be time to relocate. The big question is: where to? Here are some tips.
You can live in Phoenix, Arizona where.....You are willing to park 3 blocks away because you found shade. :-)You can open and drive your car without touching the car door or the steering wheel. You've experienced condensation on your butt from the hot water in the toilet bowl. You would give anything to be able to splash cold water on your face. You can attend any function wearing shorts and a tank top. Dress Code is meaningless at high schools and universities. Picture lingerie ads. You can drive for 4 hours in one direction and never leave town. You have over 100 recipes for Mexican food. The 4 seasons are: tolerable, hot, really hot, and ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!! You know that dry heat is comparable to what hits you in the face when you open your oven door.
You can Live in California where...You make over $250,000 and you still can't afford to buy a house. The high school quarterback calls a time-out to answer his cell phone. The fastest part of your commute is going down your driveway. You know how to eat an artichoke. You drive your rented Mercedes to your neighborhood block party. Then someone asks you how far something is, you tell them how long it will take to get there rather than how many miles away it is.
You can Live in New York City where..You say the city and expect everyone to know you mean Manhattan. You have never been to the Statue of Liberty or the Empire State Building. You can get into a four-hour argument about how to get from Columbus Circle to Battery Park, but can't find Wisconsin on a map. You think Central Park is nature, You believe that being able to swear at people in their own language makes you multi-lingual. You've worn out a car horn. You think eye contact is an act of aggression.
You can Live in Maine where... You only have four spices: salt, pepper, ketchup, and Tabasco. Halloween costumes fit over parkas. You have more than one recipe for moose. Sexy lingerie is anything flannel with less than eight buttons. The four seasons are: winter, still winter, almost winter, and construction.
You can Live in the Deep South where...You can rent a movie and buy bait in the same store. Y'all is singular and all y'all is plural. After five years you still hear, You ain't from ' round here, are Ya? He needed killin' is a valid defense. Everyone has 2 first names: Billy Bob, Jimmy Bob, Mary Sue, Betty Jean, MARY BETH, etc.
You can live in Colorado where...You carry your $3,000 mountain bike atop your $500 car. You tell your husband to pick up Granola on his way home and he stops at the day care center. A pass does not involve a football or dating. The top of your head is bald, but you still have a pony tail.
You can live in the Midwest where...You've never met any celebrities, but the mayor knows your name. Your idea of a traffic jam is ten cars waiting to pass a tractor. You have had to switch from heat to A/C on the same day. You end sentences with a preposition: Where's my coat at? When asked how your trip was to any exotic place, you say, It was different!
AND You can live in Florida where...You eat dinner at 3:15 in the afternoon. All purchases include a coupon of some kind -- even houses and cars. Everyone can recommend an excellent dermatologist. Road construction never ends anywhere in the state. Cars in front of you are often driven by headless people.
The deep south was on target ;-) nm
gee, and it was okay for Bush to be the elusive target for the last 8 years??....s/m
...and probably beyond.....that wasn't unhealthy????? from the DNC, liberal democrats, and the liberal media???
Give me a break. There was nothing elusive about W the target.
He constantly made himself an easy mark, time after time after time and, to be sure, it was VERY unhealthy for the nation. You don't have to look far for the evidence...an economy teetering on the brink of depression, universally abysmal approval ratings across party lines, a resounding GOP defeat in November, an 11th hour desperate attempt to rewrite history, a VP coming out of hiding from his undisclosed location to arrogantly pronounce that war crimes committed by the POTUS and VPOTUS lay beyond legal recourse, etc.
Did you bother to read the article? This is coming out of the mouths of Newt Gingrich, Saul Anuzis, republican party chairman in Michigan and possible new RNC chair, republican leaders in Congress, and John McCain, himself, the GOP's fearless leader just a little over a month ago.
Try reading the article before getting all indignant, and pay special attention to the part about the only really EFFECTIVE criticism of Obama being that which has come out of the left-sided, progressive wings of the DNC...not a hypocrite in sight. Sooner or later, for their own good, the GOP is going to have to come to terms with what ails them and how they screwed up in this last election cycle. If they don't, history is bound to repeat itself.
Incorrect. We're the target of terrorists
because we are a capitalist society. A society that allows for personal freedoms. A country that embraces all races and religious and creeds. A country that does not dictate how its citizens must act, and think, and worship. And that is unsufferable to Muslim extremits.
Do you know anything about Jihad?
I think it a good thing to stay away and not give them a target. sm
It is so obvious they are brainwashed and cannot respond to logic in a sensible fashion, so it is no use discussing or arguing with them. You cannot argue logically with someone who has no logic.
Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts
More control coming? Thanks, but no thanks. I have a brain and like to think for myself. See link below.
This is the man's name, for crying out
driven into the ground. He said it himself, he got the name from a man who, evidently, never thought he would be running for president some day! Can't you be big enough to let it go?
i'm not crying
i only wanted cherry kool-aid
you're the one getting mean and upset
Oh, I red you loud and clear
and "red" was not a spelling error. Strong arming anyone into producing anything for the government is like pre and post WWII Soviet Union....you got it right when you said red and I'm not referring red state conservatives either.
Many (not all) think you have all the answers, but when it turns to action you are ready to guilt and strong arm SOMEONE ELSE to do the work.
Oh for sobbing out loud!!!!
If you don't want to read posts about God in politics then just simply don't read them for Mike's (Pete's brother) sake!
And these are the WINNERS crying
Cripes, what would the Dems have done had they LOST!
Who was crying tears?
You are the most ridiculous person on here. It cracks me up when you even try to make a point. I really just feel sorry for you. You are so determined to SHOVE your views in others face and so desperate sounding all the time. Everyday you try so hard to show those Republicans where they went wrong. This isn't a debate for you, this is some kind of life mission and it is just sad that this is all you have. We are just sick of your frenzied wild posts that aren't well thought out. Knock if off. You are ruining what should be a place to discuss topics with your GET THE REPUBLICANS midlife crisis you are having.
Loud, snotty people often do. Hopefully O. will
sPEAK THE NAME OF JESUS OUT LOUD
Amen, I agree with you.
What a great example. You got me cackling out loud.
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Huh? It's the Daily Show for crying out
It was funny. Or are they not allowed to make fun of Fox, CNN, and MSNBC?
Weren't you the one crying and whining
about how dare CA take away the rights they had given to gay people and how it shouldn't have been voted on and blah blah blah. You even brought up women's right to vote and how about we overturn that....blah blah blah. Now you want to take away the benefits that marriage has always had just because gay people want everything equal. I do believe that you were one of the ones that said it wasn't fair for gays to have to settle for civil unions and how dare I suggest such a thing.
Honestly....I'd agree to this just to shut you people up because I'm so sick to death of hearing about gay rights and poor gay people.....blah blah blah. Once again....I guess the Bible thumpers that you hate so much will do the compromising and once again give up something of ours to make you happy. Feel better now?
Let our leaders hear us loud and clear
Reading all the posts it seems like everyone agrees on the same thing. None of us likes either candidate. What I'm reading a lot of is "I'm democrat so I'm voting democrat no matter what" or "I'm republican so I'm voting republican no matter what". The country has developed over the years into believing our vote counts. Whether you want to believe it or not, it doesn't. The country has been run not by who the people want elected but by big government and big corporations. People who have thousands and thousands of dollars to spend (if not millions) donate that money to ensure who they want to be elected is elected. Also, do some research on the "mysterious group" that meets each year yet the public is not allowed to be in those meetings and there are armed guards enforcing that. Those are the people who decide the fate of the country. Just the way it is and I accepted it a long time ago. If Americans truly did have a say in what goes on with our politicians we would see more and more of them fired, but they aren't. They still remain in office. I say let our leaders hear us loud and clear. We are against both candidates. If voting dropped or nobody went to vote I think they'd get the message loud and clear that we are disatisfied.
Thank you...nice to have a second voice crying out in the wilderness...
just put on your kevlar and come right on in. :)
The vindictive, mean part came thru loud & clear when she
That smugness reflects the repub's view of themselves, that they are better than everyone else. Gets kinda old, after just an hour or two. After 8 years it's downright repugnant. No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
McCain: What you are speaks so loud, I cannot hear
what you are saying.
It is definitely jealousy coming thru LOUD AND CLEAR
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Do you think these guys would be crying for John Kerry's daughters to go if he had won?
Somehow, I seriously doubt it.
The simply fact is you were whining and crying about us being on your board sm
when you are almost just as often on ours. Is that a hard concept to get through your noggin or do I need to hire a sky writer?
Okay, WORKERS.
30-40% of WORKERS don't pay income taxes. Is that better? And only recently has he started saying workers. No one was ever counting children or people who did not work. Of course, you realize, you are classifed as a "worker" if you work one day a year, right?
The same question...if he is going to give a tax cut or break or whatever he wants to call it for 95% of WORKERS...30-40% of whom do not pay federal income taxes NOW...HOW is he going to do that without cutting someone a check. How else is he going to get the money to them? Please explain.
Especially the power workers
God bless those people who came all the way down there, slept in their trucks in stifiling weather (because the media and gawking politicians hogged all the hotels that were left) and helped string line and get our power back on. They are heros, as well as all those who donated time and goods.
On the other hand, SHAME on the people from Indiana who printed up a bunch of Katrina T-shirts and had the nerve to come down there to sell them! Those who survived Katrina need no darn T-shirt proclaiming they did!
Instead of cutting the workers' pay, they should
cutting THEIR pay. After all, they're the ones who aren't doing their jobs very well (if at all). Same with AIG - they get the cash, and then give their company *pets* huge *retention* checks. (Yeah, right. Sounds like a big fat bonus, to me.) The big companies' CEOs just don't get it. They want more money, more money, more money, and no matter how you cut it, bailout or no bailout, the one who loses is the little guy. There's no way they're going to completely restructure and retool if they get the money, they'll just keep on doing like they're doing. The Big Three need to die a natural death, no more artificial life support or resuscitation measures - DNR, DNI !!! Then, let a NEW, leaner-meaner-greener American car industry be born in their place. Same goes for the banks. And the insurance companies. And healthcare (mis)management. Let the sick and the weak ones die, and healthier ones grow in their place. Kind of like the forests. If wildfires are prevented for too long a time, the forest gets choked with dead/sick trees and overcrowding, and when a fire finally does roar through (like at Yellowstone in the late 1980's), it's a WHOPPER. Same thing is happening in American business right now.
Union Workers
How does your husband feel about voting out in the open; no more secret ballots? That's quite audacious!
Todd Palin is a card-carrying union guy, too.
And why did the union workers
walk off the job? That's right. For better benefits, health care, retirement and working conditions which ALSO benefited non-union workers, even those scabs who went in and did the jobs. Thanks to Ronald Reagan, the Great (NOT!) the unions have lost their teeth in the ability to even strike and thus to bargain. Ole Ronnie got employers the "right to permanently replace workers." Read up on the history of unions. Ever watch the movie "Jimmy Hoffa?" Yes he made deals with criminals i.e. the mafia but he did much to help workers too. Ultimately he paid with his life. Union/non-union is sort of like arguing democrat/republican. Those for/against don't want to hear any side other than their own.
What? The workers work for nothing?
That's news to me. I thought the workers got paid.
But you see which auto workers are
handouts, and the workers are not complaining about their jobs. I am talking about the ones mentioned recently in the news here in the Southeastern US. Those workers are making(including all their benefits) around $35 an hour. The unionized big 3 workers making $70+ an hour for the same work. Is that contract worth that much?
I took it as we are unskilled workers
sent overseas and basically there is nothing that can be done about it. This has been going on for years, but to be called unskilled? We need to now be better educated for other work opportunities in the United States. So I might as well pack it in and go back to school to do something else, even though I have an AA degree with Medical Transcription skills and schooling.
This group came to
Massachussetts when I was up there. They hit 3 places. The first was a high school graduation at a Catholic school. The went through all their anti-Catholic stuff from the usual Mary Purgatory stuff to over-the-top psychotic rantings about "fags." They were carrying signs and parading around. I felt so sorry for those kids but at least they just kept on keeping on. No name calling from their side, no recognition on their part at all that these people were even there. They knew in advance these wackos were coming and they were prepared. They behaved beautifully. The Kansas Group's second hit was a Catholic Sunday Mass where they held up signs of Pope John Paul (someone might want to tell them he is no longer the Pope) upside down with horns on his head. Again, all the anti-Catholic yada yada yada. And the third was at an elementary school the following Monday. A 4th grade girl had written an essay that won an award (don't know where or from whom) but it was about Ellen Degeneres so these people surrounded the school, scared the kids half to death shouting they were all going to hell and singled out the poor recipient of the award. Then, when their work was done they jumped on their bus and headed on to their next chosen-by-God-personally den of iniquity. I have not a smidgen of a doubt that these people hear God talking to them...in fact that is one of the most common manifestations of psychosis, overly religious, overly sexual...that sort of thing...sounds to me like they have covered all the required bases for a DSM-IV classification.
Here is an article about the poll workers. sm
It is from the Boston Globe. They only give a brief description. There was more discussion on it in one of the grassroots forums.
Apparently,the poll workers did have permission to be there, and the NH GOP told them to stand their ground.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/obama_and_paul.html
AAMT is not a workers' union.
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I might have to if your man gets elected. Maybe we'll be co workers nm
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Here's hoping Chicago workers' sit-in and
good things to come. As Bank of America acquires Merrill-Lynch (whose CEO has the utter gall to request a $10 million bonus pay-out after the ML sell-out) they are refusing credit to Republic Windows and Doors out of Chicago after receiving $15 billion in TARP funds. The workers are fighting back to recover the pay and benefits they have already earned and their governor is backing them up. Now that's what I'm talkin' about !
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aw5QzWC86Vl8&refer=home
not 95% of Americans - 95% of American WORKERS -
From Barackobama.com/taxes:
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:
Cut taxes for 95 percent of WORKERS and their families with a tax cut of $500 for WORKERS or $1,000 for WORKING couples.
Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
unemployed auto workers' pay
per their contract, if unemployed they receive FULL pay. The loss would be benefits, but they get full pay for not working if they are laid off. That should give them time for re-education.
Most employers are cutting workers because they want
Money-money-money-money-
money-money-money-money-
money-money-money-money-money-money-money-money-
money-money-money-money-money-money-money-money!
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Maybe they should tax offshore workers doing OUR work.
Right on! If we workers made more money, we'd
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