Firefighters in reverse discrimination case.
Posted By: Trigger Happy on 2009-04-04
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I heard last night about these firefighters who were all given tests and the object was to allow the top scorers to get promotions. All the firefighters were given the same material, same amount of study time, and the same exact tests. After the tests were done, it was noted that minorities scored lower on the test and so they basically threw the tests out. Some of these guys who scored high are calling it discrimination because they studied, worked hard, and had higher scores and were denied promotions.
I am so sick and tired of skilled people not getting jobs because we have to fill so many spots with minorities. If a minority is skilled for the job, by all means....give them the promotion and/or hire them. But to pick a minority who had low test scores over someone who had high test scores.....to me that is picking someone for the job based on race and I think that is wrong. I understand that minorities want equal rights and equal pay and all that jazz and I'm totally for that.....but earn it. Don't just expect it. Study, work hard, learn skills. For us to hire people just because we have a minority quota is just wrong. We are rewarding mediocrity.
Can you just imagine if this was the other way around. Just imagine if it were the minorities that scored higher and they threw the test scores out. Talk about a major law suit that they would win in a heart beat.
This just saddens me.
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Oops, please reverse the above!
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Or the reverse. Remember the
assisted living facility, I think in Mass, last spring, when it got unseasonably hot and they could not turn the durn heat off and noone knew who was in charge, HUD or Medicare. I never heard the end of that story.
No discrimination
against women or people of color but a nasty, immoral behavior. There is a BIG difference.
I don't think it would be discrimination....(sm)
because ANYONE within whatever legal boundaries would be able to have a union. This would not exclude christians or any other religion. It would simply be from a legal perspective. As far as who would or would not qualify for a christian "marriage" would be up to christians, but that would have absolutely nothing to do with the law of unions.
Yeah, it's the reverse racism thing. Happening in
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Now , that's what I call discrimination ...
What you say is even against the Constitution.
I say:
There are several religions, but only ONE God, for all the same.
Who can tell what is the RIGHT religion?
Every religion has its own 'book'.
And Islam was the LAST religion.
First Judaism, then Christianity, then Islam.
Can YOU spell discrimination? So you are saying
that Christian organizations should never be allowed ad space during secular programming, yet we must be exposed to crap like Smilin' Bob? Well, that's fair! What happen to the liberal battle cry of TOLERANCE! I forget that when you all talk about tolerance it means Christians must tolerate you, but you don't have to tolerate Christians. You get to discriminate against us, ridicule our beliefs. Unbelievable!
House Passes Bill Allowing Government-Funded Religious Discrimination
House Passes Bill Allowing Government-Funded Religious Discrimination
Immediate Release
The Interfaith Alliance
September 22, 2005
Contact: Jon Niven or Don Parker 202.639.6370
House Passes Bill Allowing Government-Funded Religious Discrimination
Washington, September 22 – Today, The U.S. House of Representatives passed an amendment and a bill to allow government-funded religious discrimination
The School Readiness Act (H.R. 2123), a bipartisan bill to reauthorize the Head Start program, was passed 48-0 in committee. However, during floor debate Thursday, Rep. Charles Boustany Jr. (R-LA) added an amendment allowing Head Start providers to exercise religious discrimination in choosing teachers and volunteers. As a result, the final vote on the bill (231-184) was stripped of the unanimous, bipartisan support displayed in committee.
The Interfaith Alliance is very disappointed in the members of Congress who insist on reacting to one crisis by beginning another one, said the Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, President of The Interfaith Alliance. The Boustany amendment is a prime example of political opportunists taking advantage of a national tragedy to institute policies that are unconstitutional and have been previously rejected by the Congress.
The Interfaith Alliance was joined by more than 50 organizations in opposition to the bill's passage if it contained the Boustany amendment. The National Head Start Association, which represents more than 2.5 million children and families, program staff and volunteers that comprise the Head Start and Early Head Start community, came out against the entire bill if the Boustany Amendment was attached saying:
In spite of its positive provisions, if HR 2123 contains a religious discrimination amendment, we must reluctantly oppose the bill.
This amendment will subsidize religious discrimination with tax dollars, turning back civil rights protections that currently apply to nearly 200,000 Head Start teachers and over 1.4 million parent volunteers.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the levees protecting religious liberty are being breached, and the wall between church and state is cracking, Gaddy said. If those in Congress who seek to repeal religious liberty safeguards are successful, thousands of children, teachers and parent volunteers who have dedicated themselves to this program could find themselves no longer welcome at religiously-affiliated Head Start programs because they are of a different faith than the sponsoring organization.
The Senate passed a similar bill, but without the Boustany amendment, so the House version will now go to a House-Senate conference committee. Members of The Interfaith Alliance will urge Senators to strip the bill of the Boustany amendment in conference.
Initiated in 1965 in the wake of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, Head Start has been widely recognized as one of the most successful government programs ever created. It has provided early childhood education and development programs that have helped millions of low-income families overcome inequities for more than forty years.
get off my case
Did it irk you that I asked AG to post here? Did it get you so upset that you had to repost a previous post? For pete sake, what is your problem? You are filled with hate, absolute hate and anger. You need to chill. When you disagree with someone, you continue on and on and on and on, never letting up with the other person. GET OFF MY CASE. If my posts enrage you as so obviously they do, DO NOT READ THEM. You are so whacked out that you state I would chain myself to the WH with explosives. When I read that, I just about coughed up the soda I was drinking I could not believe any sane person would post something like that. As much as I know you are an angry person, no doubt with rage in your heart, I would NEVER EVER think that of you or post something so evil like that about you. Now, Im saying good bye to you as its obvious through you posts over time you cannot post to me without attacking me, so skip my posts, delete them and MYOB when it comes to me and my opinions.
I second Kam's why. I also don't believe that that will be the case s/m
If you are looking at the primary turnouts, record numbers are turning out on the Democrat side, and on the Republican side fewer are turning out than did in 2004 and 2000, and if that trend continues it bodes well for whatever Democratic candidate ultimately gets the nomination. Also, should that candidate be Hillary Clinton, what candidate on the Republican side is, for lack of a better word, sweeping the voters off their feet, whether with agenda or personality? McCain? Huckabee? Romney?, which one?
Actually, the only two candidates that I think have the qualities of real zeal and enthusiasm are Barack Obama and Ron Paul. Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination, Obama may or may not, and if not, if the Democrat turnouts remain high, and in general the country truly wanting a different direction, they are going to elect a Democrat this time, and if it is Clinton she will be elected, even if she has no more zeal or charisma than Huckabee, McCain or Romney.
That's what I think anyway.
Just in case.
You accused me earlier of being a racist and posting racist posts. I challenged you to find one post I did and you can't find one. You tried to use something I said after you accused me. I also read through all my posts and there are no racist remarks. When I referred to Michelle not talking like a black woman I was referring to your typical stereotyping us because we don't always talk or write the way you think all black people do. You stereotype and assumed I was white because why, I didn't talk like my friends? I'll say it again. Michelle Obama is one classy lady.
You know one thing I was taught growing up is if I'm ever wrong to at least have the decency to say I'm wrong and am sorry, but I guess not everyone is like that.
You are just wrong.
Of course he would do it in that case, anyone would (sm)
They shouldn't have to do elective abortions that are not for the health of the mother unless it is something they believe in. They should not be forced to do it. It is unethical to ask someone to do something they think is wrong. It would be unethical to ask a non-Christian to pray with a patient if they felt it was against their religion, even if the patient asked for it. In these cases, they should have someone else do it, who does not feel it is against their beliefs.
yes, but the pie man in this case...
was forced to sell pies on credit to people who could never pay for them by whom?.....NOT Bush.
In this case
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In this case.........
it is convenient to maintain the belief that life begins with conception and ends at birth...........
Oh, right. If that is the case, he should have been
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Hardly the case.
Bush escaped that microsope you mentioned in the mainstream media until the kick-off of the 2008 election primaries. There was next to NO scrutiny of his ineptitude prior to that. Talk about getting a free pass. Besides that, there is little to no substance in this witch hunt so far and it is certainly nothing to fear, especially with those lopsided numbers in the House and Senate that have essentialy put the pubs into exile. I'm just starting to kick back and get comfortable and am going to enjoy watching every single last second of it all.
If this were the case...(sm)
then your statment would be relevant. However, that is not the case. The pay of the white male is the pay that everyone else strives for. And why wouldn't a white male be able to sue if treated unfairly? I'm pretty sure there isn't a law that prevents that. Everyone else has had to go through that process for years and years.
Well, in that case....(sm)
the only thing that I can suggest is to buff up. This might help:
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-build-muscle-mass-guide/
In that case....(sm)
I think I've been "pubbed." LOL.
If that were the case...(sm)
then wouldn't the same be true for alcohol? Most people who drink don't make their own alcohol. As far as addiction goes, we'll just have to disagree on that one. There are studies on both sides, and they are a dime a dozen. However, I have tried it, and as Obama said -- yes I inhaled because that was the point. Did I form an addiction? No. As for new people trying it, well, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone between the ages of 12 and 65 who could honestly say they haven't already tried it.
My daughter is now 24 -- about the age when they start telling you about things they did as teenagers....LOL. I don't know if you have kids or what age they might be, but when they get to that age and if they can openly communicate with you, you might be surprised at what you will find out. No, I'm not saying that your kids would automatically fall into that category, but most do.
If that is the case, why does someone like FOX
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That is not the case
Social Security came into being and started paying out at the same time...there was no contributing to it for years before you got to receive payments. Each person's SS payments are funded by the other workers paying into the system. In addition, payments are determined by what you've earned historically and not by what you've paid in.
In this case.....(sm)
since we are talking about history, I would go with historical facts as opposed to theological references.
Case in point.
I never said what my political affiliation is, gt. Mostly, I have talked about one subject, Bill Bennett, and not from a political viewpoint either. You automatically assume that because I do not agree with you, I am a neocon. But to hear you tell it, you don't make generalizations. But you see, you do, and this is made perfectly clear by this post. Also, the misuse and overuse of the term neocon says a lot about you. Do you realize how strongly you negate intelligent debate when you feel the need to label the person to whom you are speaking?
In that case, you sure must not read much!!!
Plus you seem kind of proud to be so darn ignorant.
Writer, in case you do see this
This is not the first time A.W. has had a hissy fit and said she's leaving....with that said the poster she talked about who was banned (something I didn't know until this thread) was the queen mother of hatred and never posted anything that was not extremely inflammatory. She accused others of drinking while freely admitting she struggled with an alcohol problem. She verbalized death wishes upon the president...so on and so on. She attacked conservatives with her fangs bared. It's really pretty sad that they cannot talk to people without taking broad issues so personally. There are a few, (and I do mean a few here) while we definitely differ with them on a lot of issues are approachable and will have a decent conversation with you. However, the amicable people are usually run off the board by the bitter ones who equate Bush and conservatives with Satan. It's really sad they are stuck in such an immature state and/or overwrought with bitterness.
In this case, I would say it was more Malloy...sm
If it was truly financial, they just made their situation worse firing Malloy. He was very popular and many are cancelling their premium subscriptions to AAR.
Once case scenario that happens sm
One case scenario that happens regarding employed people getting health insurance through their employers is this. Unfortunately recessions happen. A covered person is laid off. Yes, they can continue coverage through COBRA. Some recessions are long lasting, the laid off person cannot find employment for months or longer. The bills meanwhile are racking up, if there are any savings it not so slowly gets eaten up, and the COBRA coverage is not cheap, to the tune of $600.00 a month or more. That person may very well want to hold onto their coverage but simply cannot. They have to drop the coverage. Hopefully this person eventually is able to get another job that also has health insurance benefits. They then have to go through another pre-existing condition waiting period as they had to drop their insurance and therefore lost their continuous coverage provision. Maybe that person falls seriously ill during that period with some pre-existing condition, and ...financially ruined for the rest of their life as a result..through no fault of their own.
Yes, there are people who are able to afford health insurance but have a devil may care attitude...until they become ill, but there are many other scenarios that are occurring as well, and occurring more frequently.
Another problem is due to the high cost of health insurance fewer and fewer employers are even offering benefits, which leaves working people to attempt to secure individual policies, and in that market anyone can be denied coverage. It does not even have to be a "major" health condition. Heath insurance companies can, and do, deny people coverage due to "run of the mill" problems such as a little hypothyroidism, or that they broke a few bones as a kid while growing up.
I certainly don't have the answers, but tis rather a mess.
well said, ditto, only in my case, it
was cherokee on one side, who by the way, are among those legally here and least heard from and not whining although they certainly have enough reason. The other sides are Irish and English and then there are the Swedes who did 6 months time quarantee on Ellis Island before coming to Texas. She outlived 3 husbands and raised 5 children, 2 boys fighting in WWII and winning for one a bronze star and the other a purple heart and he rode into Berlin on a tank the day the Americans took it. The one with the bronze star saved a man's life at the cost of his own in the 50's on a light pole working for GE. They all grew up speaking Swedish and all learned English. In my case, I learned morse code and that will have to do for my second language.
That may be the case. But it is up to individuals...
whether or not to get down and wallow in that kind of stuff or rise above it. I just wish more would rise above it. I don't think Obama thinks, because he is running for President, his children should be fair game and he should just roll over and take it because of what he is doing in his life. At least I hope he wouldn't. And I find it sad that some of his supporters do. That is all I am saying.
If that's the case, then one thing you might
the fact that Obama's opposition has had a much longer time, including the entire primary seasion (which seemed to last forever) to put him down and promote character assassinating rhetoric. SP, an unknown from out of nowhere, has been on the scene almost one week. Seems like it may be a bit premature to draw any hasty conclusions until a little more time passes. There is still much about her that is unknown. For me, that is a yellow caution light at best.
The case was about a teacher
There was a case where they were trying to ban a teacher from wearing a cross.
Well....that being the case...we only have this guy's word...
that those figures are correct, but you accept those at face value? My whole point in this is that she did her job for the people who elected her...the people of Alaska. I don't see anything wrong with that.
No I think it's another deadly case of
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Case in point......
The fact that I know you have not bothered to educate yourself on the Federal Reserve is the reason you continue to blame a certain party, the party you hate. That doesn't mean that party is to blame, just who you chose to blame because you refuse to take the time to discover why we are in this shape. Bush wasn't even born when the problem began and the institution that started the problem...
Guess what? It is true. The Federal Reserve really does exist and will exist even when Obama is in office. And it will continue to manipulate you and your money and run your government and other governments as well. Who will you blame then?
Anybody heard of this case?
I had heard that there was some question as to where Obama was born ...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
I rest my case!
Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.
We're told there are several things about the alleged attack that don't add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a "thorough investigation" and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we're told there is definitely a level of skepticism.
that was proven to not be the case as well
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Oh yeah, in case you want to see what he can do for you...
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
Well in this case it would be Obama
dressed like he is in that picture. All he needs is Osama Bin Laden with his arm around his shoulder and each one holding an automatic weapon.
If that wre the case, why do you suppose that nobody
The Black Panthers remind me of just how far things had to go and how hard they had to fight before black people in this country were given their civil rights. The Panthers are a part of that history and have as much right as anybody to be there. I would not feel the least bit intimidated by their presence and, in fact, would be grateful that we have come as far as we have since those day. Intimidation is in the eyes of the beholder. Get over yourself.
Who cares what she has to say - she's a case
Just another. She tells him to stop being a hater????? She should eat those words.
Anybody who watches Newt and has read his books knows he is a highly intelligent gentleman who knows what he is talking about. Smart as a whip. Obama's administration would be a lot better off if they offered him a position, but then again Obama will not be uniting the two parties. It will be more separation and filled with liberals.
I so pity you! You are such a sad case
be wasted!
i rest my case
no need for further discussion, you proved my point!
There ya go, I rest my case nm
thanks!
In case you missed it...
The Catholic church has the freedom to produce the ad, NBC has the freedom to reject the ad, and everyone in this country has the freedom to choose whether or not they watch NBC. That is how it should be, freedom for everyone!
If that's the case, why did you start this one?
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Yes, you TRY to make a case for anything
as you are proving in this thread. Listen, I'm outta here. This is getting old, very old.
Boy-oh-boy. I rest my case.
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