Facts don't matter to some people, I've come to that conclusion. sm
Posted By: ms on 2008-09-27
In Reply to: Even knowing the Democrats are responsible.... - sam
The democratic party leaders stand up there day in and day out, saying it wasn't their fault, it's the republicans, even when audio, video, etc., are available for anyone's review, even on this site today, that prove that they, the dems themselves, are/were the ones at fault....somehow they weasel out of it and scream and point fingers at the republicans.
I am just amazed and astounded......
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I've come to the conclusion he NEVER has anything
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Doesn't matter...the facts were there before the election
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The source does not matter if the facts are true...
and the facts are true. Google the names of the economists...google any of the facts. And the source was considered...Obama's own words.
You've got your facts wrong honey. nm
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divided we fall, people; no matter who the leader will be,
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Now, let us not confuse people with facts. LOL.
Usually they've been told by other people that
I've heard other people say that...
I would only imagine that she's lapping up all the attention as well. I have no faith she can run this country and I never thought he would have picked a woman. Obama/Biden... Looking better and better.
Oh and the pic of his shoes with holes just shows he's a hard worker and does not squander money in my opinion. Also, some workers at my hubs place of employment purposefully wear holey shoes to show they need a raise. If management says something about the holes in the shoes, they answer with when they get a raise; gotta eat first! Maybe Obama really is for the working class!
I've always heard people say...
..."If you don't like living in America, then leave." I guess that option would no longer be open. This all seems to be going on right in front of us. Maybe that's one of the reasons we have U.S. troops stationed in the United States now, to "control" those of us who never agreed, voted or signed on to this "deal."
There might be no escape from the one-world government, but I did come upon one very unique way to leave this earth. 
(To the MOON, Alice!)
Those who assassinate the character of people they've never met
only succeed in illuminating their own shortcomings.
I won't be responding to you any more. It's pointless. You're not here to debate. You're here to insult.
Have a lovely evening.
Yep. I've been saying this for awhile. I'm glad people...
are starting to write articles about it. I know that there are many socialists in this country and it appears a good many on this board, since they continue the support in spite of it...but those middle of the road voters out there, not hard core either direction...they need to know this to make an informed decision. We who don't want socialism need to email this link to everyone we know...get this information out there to the grass roots.
I've been hearing from people she debated against that
She's a real tiger and I'm watching it and hoping that is true. We shall see.
My conclusion
We have no real clue what this program will or will not do. Everyone spins it whatever way benefits them, but I guess that's politics for ya. That site I found compares what SCHIP currently does with the proposals by both the house and senate. No where does it mention half the stuff that people are arguing. And, again, the arguments do not take into consideration cost of living in any given area. It's all argued on the basis of the federal poverty level. I don't know about where you all live, but here, you would pretty much be absolutely homeless if you lived even AT the poverty level and probably only be able to afford groceries - no house, clothes, transportion, and certainly not insurance.
Anyway, I give up! I'm sick of hearing the spins on this issue (from both sides).
Perhaps we came to the conclusion...(sm)
that Palin is dumb because she had 3+ chances to describe the job she was trying for and never did get it right. Maybe it was because she didn't know what the Bush doctrine was (much less what it meant), or that she couldn't name one magazine/paper that she read, or that she thought she had experience in foreign relations because she could see Russia (literally), or a whole host of other things along that line.
As for spending money in a recession, guess what? That's what we are supposed to be doing. The other option is to do what Herbert Hoover did -- a spending freeze....oh wait...that's right. The pubs are actually proposing that idea. It lead us into a depression last time, so it's bound to work this time. Now that's dumb.
Also, when you say "raising taxes" you might want to be more specific instead of going with that broad stroke the pubs like to use. Only 5% of people will actually see a tax increase.
Oh, btw, why are all you pubs up in arms about spending when 6 out of the top 10 earmark'ers in the Omnibus bill are pubs?
Only an ignoramus would come to that conclusion
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How do you reach that conclusion?
From what I have seen, many/most of the people that are in favor of gay marriage rights are those mid-30s and younger. Not to devalue the opinion of our youth, but I'm guessing most of them were more concerned with Donnie Osmond than future cohabitating.
Conclusion to this mind merry-go-round
Yes, but just because Hitler made a case for exterminating the Jews by calling them socialists, and because Ford may have also hated them.....doesn't mean that in reality the Jews all really were socialists.
As I said, they were propagandists, or at least Hitler was (and if Ford publicly wrote about or ridiculed the Jews then he would be included) and propagandists pass off LIES as the TRUTH. So therefore we cannot draw a historically accurate conclusion that Jews are basically socialists.
The conclusion you have drawn about Palin's detractors
I feel I can speak for just about all of them when I say that we would really love it if she would go back to Alaska and tend to the own business of being governor, mom and wife, disappear from the spotlight and leave national politics to those more qualified. Most definitely, she would not be missed. Beyond that, we wish her luck, a good life and that NO HARM comes to her.
You continue to skip over the main issue...that being the relationship between hate speech, racism, bigotry, violence, crime and murder. Can you address that directly or not?
Garbage is garbage - no matter how many people watch it
Call a spade a spade.
How predictable that I read an entire thread and am capable of forming an independent conclusion?
that's quite predictable. You're obviously not one of those people.
Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.
Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.
Here ya go.........
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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When you can't fight facts for facts
then it's buh-bye....well buh-bye to you too....I'll have a dicussion with someone who will discuss and not blame.
When you can't fight facts for facts then it's buh-bye.
Facts, stick to the facts...sm
The subject here is the media and their treatment of Gov. Palin, which continues to this day, to this minute, by the liberal left.
Tthe media threw down their gauntlet as soon as she was picked on that Friday, and hounded her for almost a full week.
And you think she should have waved a white flag at them in her acceptance speech? She put them on notice, that she is above them. And continues to be, with grace and style.
She's not whining, and neither are we.
I just shake my head at your audacity.
The media is the one that started this with her, and you would do well to remember the facts in her case.
IN this case, the facts are the facts.........
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Can't chew gum. Would've if I could've.
Even got hypnotized. Supposedly guaranteed to quit. Lasted 5 hours. Thank heavens I never smoked anything stronger. 
What's the matter?
Hit a nerve? Did I offend? Good.
What's the matter? No one is
week.....Camelot is coming apart! Actually, glad to see the pubs are big enough not to be saying *told you so.* Does all the questions about past associations make more sense now? It just keeps getting deeper and deeper and dirtier and dirtier. But, of course, if you have drank enough of the Obama kool-aid all of this too shall be whisked away. I know, I know, let's just give him time. He's going to make things better, yes he can!
What's the matter?
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It won't matter which one. sm
Both are beholden to special interests and the ruling class. A lot of people are oblivious to it, but there is a ruling class. The candidate I supported did confirm this, and so do a few of the candidates running on the third party tickets. Ever wonder why things never change and get worse, this is why.
There is a diary by a blogger on Daily Kos that explains it very well. It is very informative and worth the read.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/27/65732/1557/694/557641
what does that matter?
My nieces and nephews are raised by their white mothers... my grandson is being raised by a white mother and a white grandmother and a white great-grandmother, my stepchildren are being raised by their white mothers - that does not change the situation of how the world views these kids... and it does not change how they view themselves. Every one of the mixed kids in my family has a different answer for whether they are white, black, or biracial, and their answer does not necessarily go along with the color of their own skin.
I also think that being raised by a "white" grandmother was part of Obama's problem. She was an older generation, still scared of black people, and she was teaching Obama to be "white" and when he got older he realized that he was not "white". Because he looks like a black man, he obviously feels what a black man feels because he is treated in the world as a black man.
Yes, mixed children are beautiful - but they are "different" than us in that they are neither white or black and they are treated differently for that reason. I hope that changes before my grandchildren get older, but so far, they are still expected to conform to being white or being black...
If a mixed child acts white, he is accepted by the white kids and taunted by the black kids, if he acts black, he is taunted by the white kids and accepted by the black kids. The mixed children have to be taught from birth that they are a mixture of 2 heritages and to embrace both of them; but at this point, they still choose one or the other.
you can think all you want.....it just won't matter with him
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It does not matter! It is just that a man has sex with
a woman and a woman has sex with a man.
This is it! And this is right and normal !
Anything else isn't.
How can the government legalize it when it is morally wrong.
Again: I wished Miss California had won.
Would it matter?
Would it really change your mind? Or would you dismiss it away?
Have you ever read the Bible from start to finish with an open mind? Or even just the book of John if you don't want to devote that much time to it.
If you really want proof, try that. Seriously.
No matter how you try to say it, it's still
Since you're so concerned about teaching children right from wrong, it would be perfectly acceptable and should always be taught to children to never EVER call names, make fun of, or bully anyone! There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to even bring up the word 'homosexual' now is there?
If you teach a child not to bully or pick at anyone then you are teaching tolerance aren't you..... without even bringing up the word.
How hard is that to understand!?
What do you mean it does not matter?
Of course it matters. There isn't a draft registration if the intent isn't to SOME DAY have a draft!! Otherwise, what's the point in it? Use your head! It's to have a pool of young males to pull into govt wars!!!!
Just because we at this moment have a volunteer armed forces doesn't mean it will HAVE to stay that way.....
it can change on a whim!
What the heck does it matter to you
what happens on the conservative board. Like most liberals you feel an innate desire to police everything everywhere as you and your uppity ilk are a lot better than everyone else...You have a board, stay on it, and have your nice little liberal tea parties over here. I for one couldn't give a rat's ass what you think about the conservative board...you elitist control freaks...now can you TAKE that!
It's a matter of priorities.
Some people think taking people's lives in Iraq is more important than saving lives in America. It's nothing new with this administration.
I believe every single person in this country is going to be negatively affected by this disaster, while Bush sits by and watches and just flashes that moronic grin of his, and Cheney and his Halliburton buddies get richer and richer. Don't look for his followers to wake up and see this idiot administration for what it is. Instead, look for them to become frustrated because their own lives will be falling apart, and look for the anger, hatred and rage on their part to increase. Look at this board. It's happening already, and it's only going to get worse. Just wait.
Wussies? Why should it matter if someone is
a wussy or not on a political message board? Is that your way of admitting that you're a bully?
It's a real shame that your mother didn't take the time to teach you how to treat people, didn't take the time to teach you manners. She let a vicious animal loose on society, and that's really sad....for society.
It wouldn't matter what we said.
Their reaction would be the same. I suppose I could have raged against a thousand perceived wrongs, assumed that everyone knew my history, and called a poster who dared to question -what makes you think we haven't- as some kind of insensitive heartless slam. The real truth is much deeper and darker than that. I am not quite sure why people choose to tell their deepest darkest secrets on chat boards. Is it so that later on, someone might forget something they never knew, in order to attack that person with out of control fury, as some on this board are wont to do. Of course, my sympathy goes out ot anyone who loses a loved one NO MATTER WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY DIED. But perhaps my sympathy should be more reserved for those who feel the need to constantly attack, denigrate, misinterpret (deliberately?), hound, and judge those who challenge an ideal. Having said that, I find some on here who post disturbed. Merry Christmas to all. My last post here. If anyone cares to respond, I will not see it.
That's a matter of opinion.
No a matter of opinion is
the fact that you don't like the president, but overly demonizing him and lumping him in with an evil person bent on destroying Israel and the United States is blatant over dramatization.
It doesn't matter when. sm
The bill is about when and not now, meaning NOW, prisoners taken in war are dealt with by us. The bill is about when Iraq becomes a full democracy and has nothing to do with who cares most about the soldiers. This just caught my eye on the menu because it is wrong headed. And, if it were true, the media would be headlining it. They aren't.
Here is the crux of the matter.
Embryonic stem cell research has been misrepresented. To the gullible public, who will believe ads like the one Michael J. Fox put out there, ESC has become the panacea and cure-all for all time. But it just isn't true. This quote from the article you posted, Brunson, is very important.
Reckless Hype and Overselling
Most of the campaign’s other ads have focused on “cures.” One shows a doctor saying that far from endangering women stem-cell research “could lead to cures for diseases that concern women like ovarian cancer.” Presumably the stem-cell treatment in question is bone marrow transplantation, an adult stem-cell technique widely in use for decades, and one in no way threatened by any legal barriers or related to embryonic stem cells or cloning. Another ad shows a pediatrician saying stem cells could help his patients, but offering no details. Another shows an Alzheimer’s researcher saying “stem cell research offers the promise of cures” for “so many devastating diseases like Alzheimer’s disease,” but offers no evidence to counter the near consensus in the field that this simply is not so. Many of these disingenuous ads repeat the claim that the initiative would ban human cloning, and none of the ads mention that all stem-cell research is already legal in Missouri and there are no prospects for that changing, or that the referendum would not support any new research.
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We simply must educate ourselves and maybe, in the end, examine what our belief system is about life. Morally and ethically I believe ESC research to be wrong. It will be the crowning touch down the long downward spiral we started on when we legalized abortion.
I will end with a quote from President Bush from the same speech I referenced in another post, where he was speaking to parents of adopted children.
(quote)The children here today remind us that there is no such thing as a spare embryo. Every embryo is unique and genetically complete, like every other human being. And each of us started out our life this way. These lives are not raw material to be exploited, but gifts. And I commend each of the families here today for accepting the gift of these children and offering them the gift of your love.(unquote)
In the end, it comes down to respecting life and God. The decision lies with each of us. I choose life.
It does not matter who votes for it or against it....
it is morally wrong. Because it is legal does not make it right. While I will obey the law of the land, as my faith teaches me to do, I will continue to speak out against a procedure that is murder, no matter who chooses it. See link if you do not believe that life begins at conception. View that and tell me that abortion is not killing a living baby and then defend it as right because someone chooses it. That choice is choosing to kill a child. The one portion of this. If you feel that a woman needs a choice of whether or not to kill a baby, so be it, that is your right and I respect your right to say it. I do not and will continue to speak against it, and I hope that you believe it is my right to do that as well. Some of us must speak for the most innocent who cannot speak for themselves.
http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=76c82299-9a7a-4656-8ec4-0f6fc1fd6ae0&f=06/64&fg=copy
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