FYI-Chavez not dictator??? Venez's..sm
Posted By: leaving Venezuela in DROVES this week.. on 2007-12-01
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saw some thread either here or there (another board here) where someone challenged Chavez and said he is not a dictator....well, the middle class and upper class are leaving in droves....watch this from 2 days ago...(and I know they began leaving 8-10 years ago coming here to the states).
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=71705&videoChannel=2602
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Would God allow a dictator? sm
Shelly, IF Obama IS the antichrist, then yes, God would allow him to come to power because this would fulfill the prophecies in Revelation. I'm not saying that, should Obama be elected, that it would be a definite sign that he is the antichrist, just that he could be.
Bush a dictator?
Where did you study history?
We had a dictator with the last administration......nm
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And making BIGGER government isn't a dictator?
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McCain inside - stating his aspirations: I have always aspired to be a dictator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p94Nvs9sZSA&feature=related
You Bushies are struggling to find a new daddy. Senator Hague (sp?) was a great senator and he was a logical man who appeared to be forthright - which is how I like my politicians.
It must be terrible for you to have had the man you placed in charge to have displaced blatant dereliction of duty in his handling of terrorism, the economy, international relations. I know you credit him for "keep us safe for 8 years" but Osama bin laden speech clearly stated his aim was not to fly jets into buildings or drop dirty bombs off at bus stops - but bankrupt America by way of war. This is retaliation against America for their involvement in the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
http://mprofaca.cro.net/binladen_transcript.html
By the way, do you find it rather odd that of all the countries in the world collapsing from their involvement in the U.S. stock market and corporations, Israel is not and is, in fact, economically thriving quite well. This is after veing at war nonstop for the past 15 years. Do you find that unusual in the least? Are you even curious about this since Paulson, Bernanke, Barney Frank along with the owners of the corporations that just been bailed out (why did they bail out freddie and fannie and not Indymac??? Why Bear Stearns and AIG but not Lehman Brothers????).
I have a feeling when everything is said and done, the world will realize we have been fleeced by an elite group of very determined men, men who have thought about this for years. Bush is a Harvard bus school grad. He appears stupid and everyone laughs and thinks it is endearing. But i think he is acting - he thought Iraqi's would greet us with flowers and chocalate? His father and Cheney have both been documented as saying a civil war would break out if Saddam was removed from power and that it would destabilize the middle east.
Bush and the republican party as they stand now are corrupt and I believe that many of the democrats are as well. Special interests and corrupt America as bought them. Now, you may disagree and defend every move made in the last eight years as smart but that is just your ego talking.
Repubs would be wise to listen to both sides a little more closely and raise your expectations for your next candidate.
Bush is accountable for the mess the country is in. He is a liar, a cheater and a thief - And you can bet he makes a bee line for So. America with his loot when his term is finally up. Bush, it is stated, was actually a black sheep in his family (Jeb was supposed to be the Bush son who reached the presidency, not George who was not his father's favorite child).
Thank you Mr. Chavez
What a sorry state America is in when we have people scrounging around to try to fill up their cars to get to work and this winter people will be going broke just to stay warm and Bush does not offer any help, like maybe capping gas prices or releasing some gas from the reserves, yet, here we have a socialist leader, Chavez, offering to help the low income Americans with cheap oil. Is this screwy or what? Chavez is caring more about the downtrodden of America than our elected servant.
Chavez
Just imagine what COULD happen, though.
Chavez could take a good long look at all the problems with America that you have listed, decide that Bush is an evil, greedy tyrant, declare war on the USA to free us of this tyrant, with the promise of free medical care for all, no more homeless people, no more street crime, no more children being brutally molested and murdered, no more starvation for the poor, reasonable gas prices, etc., etc., etc.
He could invade and occupy the USA, killing some innocent Americans, destroying our water supply, taking out our electricity, terrifying us all while he does it, turning our streets into IED targets, and do it with most of the world disapproving of such an action.
Sure is a good thing we don't live in a world where one president can actually to do such a thing, right??? RIGHT????!!! 
Chavez
I know, was really happy when I read about it. Did you see his picture? Sad and... But no, I don't think it is the end for him. He has a few more years as President? Dictator? and there is a lot he can still do. He is a crazy man with too much power on his hands. Let's just hope for the best and enjoy the victory in the meantime.
chavez threat
There have been many arrested over the past few years for just voicing threats that were meaningless, not like Robertson broadcasting all over the world about assassinating Chavez. That most certainly is a crime. You cannot threaten leaders of other countries, especially in a forum like Robertson has.
One more thing about Chavez.
I will never forget MANY moons ago when I was in junior high school and learning about different kinds of governments in my Social Studies class. I remember secretly thinking to myself that socialism seemed like the fairest kind of government. Of course, I could never VERBALIZE that sentiment since we were still engaged in the *Cold War* at the time, as well as on the heels of the McCarthy era, and anyone expressing such a view was automatically labeled a *Communist*. LOL. In fact, this is the first time in my entire life I've ever shared these views with anyone. I grew up actually believing I was a horrible person for thinking what I thought and was very ashamed of it until lately.
Chavez has a lot of admirers. sm
It wasn't that long ago on this very board that he was spoken of very highly.
Article on Chavez and oil to American poor
There are a few articles that I have read on this..here is one that originated from Reuters. GT
Wednesday, August 24 2005 @ 08:06 PM MDT
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Chavez Offers Cheap Gas To Poor In U.S.
Published on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 by Reuters
By David Pace
HAVANA, Cuba - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline.
Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez "We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba.
Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.
The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.
Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.
Chavez oil versus American fat cat oil companies
Article from Juan Gonzalez, a NY Daily News columnist, RE: Hugo Chavez and his oil versus American oil companies:
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I pulled into the Mobil gas station on 11th Ave. in Manhattan yesterday for my weekly stickup from the oil companies.
Their take this time was an astonishing $3.05 per gallon for premium unleaded.
"Every three or four days the price goes up," said Patel, the man in charge of the station. "Lots of complaints from my customers."
Complaints from everyone except oil executives.
Last year, Exxon/Mobil, the world's largest corporation, posted the highest profits of any company in history - more than $25 billion. The oil giant, based in Irving, Tex., is on track to shatter that mark this year, with revenues that now approach $1 billion per day.
Which brings me to Pat Robertson and Hugo Chavez.
Robertson, the right-wing evangelist and friend of the Bush family, publicly called this week for the U.S. government to kill - or at least kidnap - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
"This is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly," Robertson said. His less-than-Christian remarks ignited an outcry and forced him to issue an apology of sorts, though he still insisted that he had at least "focused our government's attention on a growing problem."
That "problem," quite simply, is that Chavez, a radical populist who has been voted into office repeatedly by huge majorities in his own country, controls the largest reserve of petroleum outside the Middle East.
Neither Robertson, nor former oil executives George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice, nor their buddies at Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, etc., are happy about all this.
Even more scandalous for Big Oil, Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall not to fatten his own country's oligarchy but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and help neighboring countries.
Yesterday, while Robertson was issuing his half-baked Chavez clarification, the Venezuelan president was in Montego Bay, Jamaica, where he announced a new oil agreement with that country's prime minister, P.J. Patterson.
Under the agreement, Venezuela will supply 22,000 barrels of oil a day to Jamaica for a mere $40 a barrel. That's far lower than the current world price of about $65 a barrel. With the price of gasoline in that destitute nation already more than $3.50 a gallon, the Chavez plan means more than half a million dollars a day in savings for Jamaica on oil imports.
Chavez also announced his government will provide $60 million in foreign aid to Jamaica and finance the upgrading of that country's oil refineries.
The agreement is part of a broader Chavez plan called Petrocaribe, which he unveiled at a Caribbean summit in Venezuela last June.
At that conference, Chavez offered the same kind of deal to the leaders of more than a dozen other neighboring nations, including Dominican Republic President Leonel Fernandez and Cuba's Fidel Castro.
Fernandez jumped at the offer because his government is nearly bankrupt from oil prices. Last year, the Dominican Republic spent $1.2 billion on oil imports; this year, it expects to fork out more than $3 billion. The price of gasoline in Santo Domingo has zoomed past $4 a gallon in recent days.
Pat Robertson looks at Chavez and sees a devilish danger. He wants our government to "take him out." Over at the White House, Bush and his aides may use more restrained language, but their goals are not much different.
But there's a whole different view down in Latin America, where a half-dozen nations have seen liberal and populist governments swept into office in recent years.
Down there, Chavez has become the new miracle man of oil. Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats, who wallow in their record profits while the rest of us pay, Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
A dangerous man, indeed.
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President Chavez offered to help America's
poor purchase oil at affordable prices while Bush's cronies are enjoying skyrocketing profits as a result of price gouging. I've heard some poor people say that Chavez cares more about them than Bush does. Who can possibly argue with that?
Chavez lost a lot of credibility with his UN antics...sm
Even in the most democratic circles, which I travel in. He made a mockery, not of Bush, but himself. Anything credible he had to say went out the window with *smells of sulfa.*
I agree with JDH, once I determine a person is a whacko I don't put much stock in what they have to say.
I'm ecstatic-CHAVEZ was defeated yesterday!!
http://voanews.com/english/2007-12-03-voa7.cfm
Venezuela Rejects Constitutional Changes |
By Brian Wagner
Caracas
03 December 2007
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Venezuelan voters have rejected a sweeping constitutional reform project launched by President Hugo Chavez. In Caracas, VOA's Brian Wagner reports opposition leaders see the vote as a major blow to the president's efforts to impose socialist changes.
(more info at above link)
Chavez Takes Bush to Task Over Iraq War
See link
Not to mention, Chavez blasting the US over Iraq on the floor of the UN...nm
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Reasons Why Chavez Is Up For Noble Peace Prize
An article published in VHeadline.com on November 26
last year, headlined Venezuela's President Hugo
Chavez Frias proposed for the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize aroused great interest
Since that piece was published, Chavez has continued
his humanitarian projects, the most recent of which
are extending Mission Miracle in alliance with Cuba to
correct blindness and sight disorders to the whole of
the American continent, including the US and the
Caribbean. He has also offered crude oil, gasoline and
heating oil at preferential, financed rates to smaller
Caribbean countries, as well as Uruguay and Paraguay
which are struggling with the sky high price of
energy.
The improvement in cash flow of these countries
generated by the financing aspect at 1% per year,
allows their governments to use this surplus to invest
in social programs.
This initiative has also taken into account poor
communities, schools, hospitals, old peoples homes
facing a predicted brutally cold winter in the United
States ... part of this program includes donations of
heating oil as well as financing part of the
deliveries from CITGO, a 100%-owned US-based
Venezuelan company based in Houston with 8 refineries
delivering to over 14,000 gasoline stations. Pilot
projects will be underway in Chicago and Boston as of
October 14.
As per the Nobel Peace Prize website the 2004 winner
was Wangari Maathai of Kenya for her contribution to
sustainable development, democracy and peace.
If these three qualities are key to winning the Nobel
Peace Prize then Chavez has all these in abundance ...
and more. He must be the world's leading democrat
having been to the polls 9 times since 1998. He
promotes peace by asking for troops out of Afghanistan
and Iraq, so that these sovereign nations can exercise
self-determination and define their own path in the
future.
Other accomplishments, which have been pushed by
Chavez' personal leadership in Venezuela are the
Social Missions, all grouped under the humanitarian
banner of Mision Cristo (Christ's Mission). The most
important of these, Mision Robinson has taught 1.4
million Venezuelans to read and write; Mision Barrio
Adentro (Neighborhood Within) offers free primary
healthcare in the poor areas and is now reaching 14
million Venezuelans out of a population of
approximately 25 million; Mision Mercal sells cheap
staple foods and has impacted more than half the
population at the time of writing.
Chavez, however, is up against some very stiff
competition including Colin Powell (for his efforts to
end the 21-year civil war in Sudan); the ex-governor
of Illinois, George Ryan (for his campaign to abolish
the death sentence in the US); Israeli Mordechai
Vanunu (for denouncing the existence of nuclear
weapons in his country); the Japanese Hidankyo group
(survivors of the US' atomic bombs dropped on
Hiroshima and Nagasaki).
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