Excuse us Mr. Bush, can FEMA have your attention?
Posted By: Democrat on 2006-01-14
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Katrina & Recovery
Woes at Embattled FEMA Spur Employee Exits
 by Laura Sullivan
Tim Sloan The FEMA command center in Washington, D.C., Aug. 30, 2005, shortly after Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. AFP/Getty Images
Mark Wolfe Bill Carwile, in an October 2005 photo taken before he retired from FEMA. Days after Katrina struck the Gulf Coast, the head of hurricane response in Mississippi e-mailed FEMA headquarters: System appears broken. FEMA
All Things Considered, January 13, 2006 · FEMA is having trouble holding on to its best people. Several FEMA staffers have told NPR that people are leaving because the agency is in trouble and no one appears to be addressing the problems. These departures are raising concerns about FEMA's ability to respond to the next disaster.
Leo Bosner, a union chief and manager of the emergency operations desk at FEMA, says morale was bad Katrina, but it's only gotten worse. He notes there have been several retirement parties at the agency in recent weeks.
They're getting out not because they're tired and want to work in the garden but because they're just sickened by the agency's failure -- very public failure -- and just sickened to see nobody doing anything to lift a finger to fix the problems, Bosner says of the departing employees.
According to half a dozen other current or former FEMA managers who did not want their name used for fear of retribution, more than 50 people have left FEMA in the past four months. One official inside FEMA who has seen the agency's attrition data says 56 people have left in the past five weeks alone.
But FEMA says only 20 people have left. FEMA spokesman Nicole Andrews says the information Bosner and other employees shared with NPR is either incomplete or imprecise. She says there's an influx of applications to work for the agency, adding, To suggest that there is any sort of a trend related to Katrina and attrition would be absolutely false.
One recent retiree is Bill Carwile, a 10-year veteran of FEMA and former Army colonel who left in November. Carwile led FEMA's hurricane response in Mississippi.
Katrina struck New Orleans and the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29. Three days into Katrina recovery operations in Hancock County, Miss., Carwile couldn't get any food, water or even body bags. System appears broken, he wrote in an e-mail to FEMA headquarters. Carwile says it was the worst moment of his FEMA career.
The exhaustion frustration he felt in Mississippi wasn't the only thing pushing him to retire. Carwile says he was upset watching FEMA's training programs get cut year after year, leaving his teams unprepared.
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FEMA needs a major overhaul...Doctor says FEMA ordered him to stop treating hurricane victims.
Doctor says FEMA ordered him to stop treating hurricane victims
By LAURIE SMITH ANDERSON landerson@theadvocate.com
Advocate staff writer
In the midst of administering chest compressions to a dying woman several days after Hurricane Katrina struck, Dr. Mark N. Perlmutter was ordered to stop by a federal official because he wasn't registered with the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
I begged him to let me continue, said Perlmutter, who left his home and practice as an orthopedic surgeon in Pennsylvania to come to Louisiana and volunteer to care for hurricane victims. People were dying, and I was the only doctor on the tarmac (at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport) where scores of nonresponsive patients lay on stretchers. Two patients died in front of me.
I showed him (the U.S. Coast Guard official in charge) my medical credentials. I had tried to get through to FEMA for 12 hours the day before and finally gave up. I asked him to let me stay until I was replaced by another doctor, but he refused. He said he was afraid of being sued. I informed him about the Good Samaritan laws and asked him if he was willing to let people die so the government wouldn't be sued, but he would not back down. I had to leave.
FEMA issued a formal response to Perlmutter's story, acknowledging that the agency does not use voluntary physicians.
We have a cadre of physicians of our own, FEMA spokesman Kim Pease said Thursday. They are the National Disaster Medical Team. ... The voluntary doctor was not a credentialed FEMA physician and, thus, was subject to law enforcement rules in a disaster area.
A Coast Guard spokesman said he was looking into the incident but was not able to confirm it.
Perlmutter, Dr. Clark Gerhart and medical student Alison Torrens flew into Baton Rouge on a private jet loaned by a Pennsylvania businessman several days after Katrina hit. They brought medicine and supplies with them. They stayed the first night in Baton Rouge and persuaded an Army Blackhawk helicopter pilot to fly them into New Orleans the next day.
I was going to make it happen, the orthopedic surgeon said. I was at Ground Zero too, and I had to lie to get in there.
At the triage area in the New Orleans airport, Perlmutter was successful in getting FEMA to accept the insulin and morphine he had brought. The pharmacist told us they were completely out of insulin and our donation would save numerous lives. Still, I felt we were the most-valuable resource, and we were sent away.
Gerhart said the scene they confronted at the airport was one of hundreds of people lying on the ground, many soaked in their own urine and feces, some coding (dying) before our eyes. FEMA workers initially seemed glad for help and asked Gerhart to work inside the terminal and Perlmutter to work out on the tarmac. They were told only a single obstetrician had been on call at the site for the past 24 hours.
Then, the Coast Guard official informed the group that he could not credential them or guarantee tort coverage and that they should return to Baton Rouge. That shocked me, that those would be his concerns in a time of emergency, Gerhart said.
Transported back to Baton Rouge, Perlmutter's frustrated group went to state health officials who finally got them certified -- a simple process that took only a few seconds.
I found numerous other doctors in Baton Rouge waiting to be assigned and others who were sent away, and there was no shortage of need, he said.
Perlmutter spent some time at the Department of Health and Hospital's operational center at Jimmy Swaggart Ministries before moving to the makeshift Kmart Hospital doctors established at an abandoned store to care for patients. After organizing an orthopedics room and setting up ventilators there, Perlmutter went back to the Swaggart Center and then to the LSU Pete Maravich Assembly Center's field hospital to care for patients being flown in from the New Orleans area.
We saw elderly patients who had been off their medicine for days, diabetics without insulin going into shock, uncontrolled hypertension, patients with psychosis and other mental disorders, lots of diarrhea, dehydration and things you would expect. I slept on a patient cot there every night until I came home.
Gerhart said he felt the experience overall was successful and rewarding, although frustrating at times. You don't expect catastrophes to be well organized. A lot of people, both private citizens and government officials, were working very hard.
Perlmutter did not return home empty-handed. He brought a family of four evacuees back with him and is still working with Baton Rouge volunteer Hollis Barry to facilitate the relocation of additional hurricane victims to Pennsylvania.
He also returned with a sense of outrage. I have been trying to call Sen. Arlen Specter (of Pennsylvania) to let him know of our experience.
I have been going to Ecuador and Mexico (on medical missions) for 14 years. I was at ground zero. I've seen hundreds of people die. This was different because we knew the hurricane was coming. FEMA showed up late and then rejected help for the sake of organization. They put form before function, and people died.
Both FEMA and the Coast Guard operate under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which has been widely criticized for its disjointed, slow response to the devastation caused by Katrina. Federal officials are urging medical personnel who want to volunteer to help with disaster relief to contact the Medical Reserve Corps or the American Red Cross for registration, training and organization.
Short attention span explains alliance with Bush.
Now it's all starting to make sense. See article. Don't bother to read article. Form knee-jerk negative opinion based on prejudice against liberals rather than facts. Refuse to read/accepts facts (too time consuming). Ignore all gray areas in life; deal in only black and white. Vote for Bush. When things get worse, vote for him again because neocons are never wrong.
I'd say Bush paid closer attention than did the Clinton administration!
Bin Laden was on the radar during the Clinton administration and yet the potential threat he posed was virtually ignored!
excuse me....Bush did not destroy the US economy...
the mess we find ourselves in, his admin and John McCain tried to head off several times, only to be thwarted by the pigs at the trough...Chris Dodd, Barney Frank....
Bush is not my favorite President by a long shot and I sure don't agree with everything he did, but this is one issue he was on the right side of...he called for reining in fannie and freddie years ago, as did Mccain...but oh no...like Barney Frank said..."They will never fail, and if they do, the government won't bail them out." Helllooo Barney....to the tune of 750 billion.
wow, what a brilliant response...boy wonder can only use Bush as an excuse for a few more months...
then he owns it.
Maybe FEMA? Oye!
Sorry but there is so much more that FEMA does
that you aren't even reporting. You make it sound like FEMA did nothing or they really slacked off. What about the national guard and disaster medical teams that are staged in close states before the storms. What about all the supplies that are staged. What about the local EOC that are always in place. What about the incredible warning systems we have. We have AF pilots who fly into the storm even!!! What about the funding that is already in place and the loans FEMA gives to people and biz to rebuild their life. The people criticizing FEMA have no experience with disasters, it's so obvious from the way they criticize the timing of the disaster declaration and when the politicans showed up in the area.
As far as being cold, they
tell people to always keep 72 hour kits, because that is the minimum time it takes for any help to arrive. It's not just a number someone found on a fortune cookie. If you know a storm is coming, common sense tells you to prepare for as long as you can. If healthy able bodied people refuse to prepare there isn't anything the government can do to help them. Again it was a hurricane during hurricane season and there was warning.
Compare Katrina to Ivan or Andrew. For some reason New Orleans was given more press & political attention than other places like FL, MS and AL.
Brown resigns from FEMA.
Probably Medal of Freedom from Bush.
Head of FEMA fired from previous job
Take a look at THIS info:
(source http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/34622/68348)
Yes, that's right... the man responsible for directing federal relief operations in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, sharpened his emergency management skills as the Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horses Association... a position from which he was forced to resign in the face of mounting litigation and financial disarray.
And what of that misleading White House press release?
'From 1991 to 2001, Brown was the Commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association, an international subsidiary of the national governing organization of the U.S. Olympic Committee.'
I can't even begin to fact check the dates or IAHA's alleged relationship to the US Olympic Committee, because of course, the IAHA doesn't exist anymore, so there's nothing to Google. But it begs the question... how the hell did his prior job experience prepare Brown to head FEMA?
Well, judging by his agency's performance over the past few days... it didn't.
[Cross-posted at HorsesAss.org]
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Apparently, experience had nothing to do with Bush's bid for the presidency, and so he hands out agency posts like lollipops to his friends regardless of their competence or experience also.
The result is that thousands die unnecessarily on many continents. No one ever gets punished for this. Instead they get the Medal of Honor or civilian equivalent. They get promoted.
Meanwhile, volunteers are *begging* FEMA not to shut down camps in Louisiana. sm
Katrina Volunteers Beg FEMA Not to Shut Down Camps
By Mark Martin
CBN News Reporter
CBN.com – ST. BERNARD PARISH, New Orleans - Carolyn Pitre is grateful to find her Bible among her belongings, piled up in the street in front of her home in St. Bernard Parish.
Carolyn says, “I'm drawn to try and find something of value because we have nothing left... (cries)… Because we have nothing left... Everything was gone. Everything.”
All along Carolyn's street, and in the entire area, it is the same: Destruction everywhere you look. Piles and piles of trash and debris. Gutted homes.
Lt. Colonel David Dysart is the director of recovery for St. Bernard Parish, which is near New Orleans. Dysart stated, “I have no residents living here right now, and I have had absolutely no businesses which have been able to return.”
The Marine reservist also had a part in the rebuilding of Fallujah, Iraq. He says there are several similarities. Both were completely evacuated, and both had their infrastructures completely wiped out.
The Lt. Colonel says it is going to take another six months to finish gutting thousands of homes to remove health and safety hazards. And that's where volunteers come in.
Dysart says it takes 10 to 12 volunteers a day to a day-and-a-half to gut just one house.
Asked if he needed volunteers right now, Dysart replied, “Absolutely. It's critical that we keep this up. We have approximately 800 homes to date that we've managed to move these items, out of the approximately 5,000 that applied.”
Volunteers need a place to stay. Right now, they live in base camps set up by fema. The problem is, local relief coordinators say, fema wants to close them soon -- in just a few weeks.
FEMA told Dysart that it wants to close these base camps because, Dysart said, “It is not FEMA's responsibility to provide support to volunteer agencies.”
Operation Blessing Disaster Relief Manager Jody Herrington says that not being able to provide a home means turning away a volunteer.
“Each volunteer that we turn away is another home that's not gutted, another resident that's not helped,” Jody declared. “It's another neighborhood that's not coming back. It's another city that's not restored. The reality is the volunteer help is crucial and critical to the success of recovery out in these parishes.”
Brenda Puckett is a missionary to nearby Plaquemines Parish. “There's so much to do,” Brenda stressed. “There's so much devastation. The need for volunteers is tremendous.”
She, too, says the camps need to stay.
Around 500 people live in one camp alone. A FEMA representative says it one houses contractors, people who are here to clean up and rebuild. I asked him where they would stay if these tents were not here. He said in their vehicles, wherever they could find.
Brenda said, “It just breaks my heart. We need the contractors here, we need the volunteers here in order to build our Parish back.”
Pastor Randy Millet helps run a disaster relief center in St. Bernard Parish. He says the volunteers are vital in making sure that residents get the food and clothing they need to survive.
“Please don't close the base camps,” Randy urged. “Allow us to house our volunteers. They're not looking for a Holiday Inn. They're looking for a cot with a pillow and a meal.”
In addition, Randy says that without warning, fema stopped providing ice and filling up their generators with fuel.
“What we’ve got to do in order to get diesel fuel right now -- we have to go across the street to fill up our buckets,” Randy explained, “and bring them back to fill up our generators... three or four... and that takes four or five trips.
Obstacles, these workers say, that are making it tough to serve others.
“The sheer economic recovery of this parish is dependent upon the volunteer effort,” Dysart commented.
Herrington said, “Our plea would be to please consider extending the closing of the base camps so that would give us time for transition and preparation to come up with some other accommodations.”
Carolyn Pitre does not want to see volunteers turned away. She's grateful for those who helped remove her belongings from her home.
“We need all the help we can get. It's not over... not by a long shot,” Carolyn stated.
CBN News tried to contact a fema representative to ask about the base camp closings and other issues facing volunteers, but no representative was available.
try to pay attention okay?
You said, Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today. And I said the same holds true for republicans. I was answering your post to show you it goes both ways. Got it now?
just your attention
she wants your ATTENTION good or bad, happy or sad, so desperately lonely so desperately lonely.
pay attention.......... NDC
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You need to pay attention
Earlier this year, Obama HAS voted to raise taxes on the middle class. The democrats squawk on about raising taxes on the rich but the democrats believe the middle class ARE the rich. WHere have you been? Under a rock?
Obama and Clinton voted to raise taxes on the MIDDLE CLASS....a 3 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BLUEPRINT...where the democrats were throwing the tax thing out there to see if they could get enough votes on their little UNDER THE TABLE agenda. Under this any individual making over 31K and couples making more than 63K would be TAXED TAXED TAXED!!
Oh how you know only what you want to know!!
You really don't pay attention to what O is doing
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Well...if you would pay attention
they have blacked out the information that they got in those memos for national security reasons. You know....I would be curious to see what you would say if you found out that your life was actually one of the ones saved by "torturing" terrorists.
As far as I'm concerned, you behead Americans that you capture, than the people we capture of yours can be subjected to anything we want and to he!! with you.....but that is just me.
I'm trying to pay attention but
The Jordan Times has his whole speech written up and I don't see those words there.
I did see some very interesting things, though, when he talked about Islam, religion, Muslins, etc.
http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=17273
If you had an attention span, you'd know.
right, Sam. The nutcases who want attention.
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Too bad you didn't pay attention.
The bill failed because 90% of Americans were not behind it. The switchboards in the House and Senate were lit up like Christmas trees with people phoning in to encourage their elected officials to kill the bill. The Democrates did not even support the bill, and they had more than enough votes to accomplish that if they wanted.
I'm not surprised you think Bill Maher is funny. He replaced his brain with his anus ages ago and nobody seemed to notice. But, hey, he sure looked swell on that episode of Murder She Wrote. Yeah, he's the go-to guy for unbiased political commentary.
Pay close attention to what's NOT being said
This is a big story because imagine if that had happened to another presidential or vice-presidential candidate, that members of their follow church members were murdered in seperate killings.
Not even a liberal journalist can find ONE time Obama spoke about this while he was in that church. He has NEVER demanded more be done to find the killers. It's more like out of sight, out of mind.
Remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader.....he says there are NO gays in his country. Right!!
Since Obama is from a strong Muslim background, just makes me wonder what his true feelings are on this matter.
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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ATTENTION POSTERS
There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here.
Read the sticky above. Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here.
We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board.
Back off and take it easy on people. Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks. You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names.
The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here. Read the sticky. Beware of flaming in these posts. If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts.
I think that if you truly paid attention
to the complaints on this board, you would realize that what we are complaining about is not the fact that our money is going to government programs to help people who need it. Most of us are upset because these government programs are being abused and misused by dishonest people who would much rather not work and be lazy just to receive government assistance. I have no problem helping people who need it. I think Clinton did a good thing by reforming welfare and I think it is a shame that Obama is undoing that. Welfare is supposed to be a hand up.....not a hand out.
Not wanting to help people in need is not the issue here and I wish that you guys could understand that. We aren't being heartless here. We are just sick and tired of people mooching off of the government when they could work and make a living for themselves.
If the dishonest people who are abusing the system could be taken out of the welfare equation, just think of the extra money we would have to really help those in need. Think about it.
Then you need to pay attention to the fact that
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It's even more interesting when you pay attention...(sm)
In my post below this I did address dems (Pelosi)....and I quote:
"If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it. If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway."
However, now that you mention it, as far as calling Pelosi a liar or Pelosi saying that the CIA lied, well, that would be hard for any of us to do as I'm pretty sure none of us were in that meeting to verify what was said......except (of course) trigger happy. I'm assuming she was there as she seems to know exactly who is and who isn't lying.
You don't pay very close attention then do you?
O'Reilly has defended Obama on many occasions, trying to find some middle ground as to why he has done or not done some things.
He isn't far right by any means but on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with wanting to preserve our constitution as written.
If he's so far right conservative, it's funny then how FOX news has run circles around all the other news outlets in the ratings. Even adding all of the others' ratings together, FOX news still trumps them big time. That means all the liberal idjits out there are losing ground big time. Those MSNBC/NBC/CNN hate mongerers out there are losing ground big time.
Could it be folks are finally realizing Obama isn't living up to all those promises? It's finally starting to dawn on them this isn't the man for the job. The ratings are proof positive people in this country are ready to hear the truth, not the far left immoral agenda....
have you been paying attention
to the differences between what he said and what he does on other issues. things like (Paraphrased) "I don't want to be in the business of running car companies." ".....won't see any new taxes of any kind." "taxing health care benefits would be wrong." I think when you say when thing and do another that is a lie and it is manipulative.
You really must not have been paying attention
Other than a very brief period about 8-1/2 years ago, the divide in the country has been growing larger for about the last 10 years...surely you did not think we had national unity back in the Clinton years, did you? How about the 8 years of Bush the Younger? Frankly, other than a few of the more vociferous 'radical right' pundits, the country is not doing too bad. The moderates and independents have not chimed in yet as they realize that it's going to take longer than 150 days to clean up the mess left when the keys were handed to the POTUS. So far, the only people truly divided are the extremes, and, frankly, I tend to be happier when I'm catered to in the middle since we're so often forgotten.
exactly, people should better pay more attention
what happens outside the US, as this deterimes what will happen inside the US.
Pay close attention.....
I have read this and it made my skin crawl...
pay close attention to what she is saying...
Like imperialists of Old World Europe, the ACP sees their constituents not as free thinking individuals who best know how to go about achieving and creating their own means for success. Instead, the ACP sees his constituents as a flock of ignorant sheep that need to be led -- oftentimes to their own slaughter.
How many tried to point out BEFORE the election that this man is a racist individual with absoutely no concern for the American people. He is an African Muslim through and through and ANYONE who truly took the time to find out anything about Obama would have seen him for what he truly is, a person who is very loyal to Africa, thinks the African colonial views are best and has started enforcing HIS beliefs one after another on this country.
"Lambs to the slaughter"!! Only those with blinders on think he is going to be the answer to their prayers....
ACORN obsessed with the color his skin as did most ALL black people and whites that voted for him...
It sickened me then and it sickens me even more now. I have said it all along. That man is NOT an American, STILL has produced no VALID birth certificate(not a surprise), has no loyalty to this country and never will, and is a Muslim through and through, just like his father. He spells it all out in his book and truly like "lambs to the slaughter" they still voted that non-American into office.
Now we ALL pay the price!!
Too many most that put O into office will NEVER read this article and even if they could read and did read it, they wouldn't comprehend a thing this indivdiual is trying to say...
She is right. He has no interest in what the American people want, only what he sees as right and only dictators do what he is doing to this country!
'lambs to the slaughter'
'nuf said!!
Short attention span?
Dont pay attention to those posts
They are obviously from people slithering over here from the con board as no democrat/liberal is going to bad mouth this way, not after what we have been through for 7 long years. This is just observer and the others posting under different handles. I have seen this before on this board. Just wish they would go back and let us discuss the exciting wonderful times to come with a democrat in the WH..YIPPEE!!
again...as usual...paid no attention...
The taking one more shot post appeared LONG before your cease fire....you just had not seen it yet. But it would not have mattered. I didn't read this latest diatribe...too tired and really don't give a darn. And I will give you a clue dear, one of those 4-letter words...I did not say the GOP then does not resemble the GOP now....in fact I agree whole-heartedly. The GOP has turned into Democrat lite. Which is why I don't belong to the grand old party anymore. Only register as Repub in primary years because if I didn't, I couldn't vote, and I want to have a say, no matter how small. You should really ask questions before you jump off the deep end...but you don't care, because you are always right, aren't you? Speaking from that high horse of moral authority. You must have the word "bigot" in your shortcuts, you sure invoke it enough. LOL. Really too bad that just you typing it here doesn't make it true....or maybe it is, the gospel according to Globetrotter....LOL geezzz.
He's paying attention to ducking the RNC
Just like last time.
That's why polls deserve little to no attention
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nice try. I don't pay attention to the polls....nm
I paid attention and I ain't even republican
Now that your hope for racist remarks have no doubt been proven unfounded, you gotta start grasping at anything you can find, because those "racial" remarks were really all the democrats had going for them. Those mean 'ole republicans.
Are you really so racist that you don't think a black man may actually like McCain instead of Obama? Are you that deluded in your thoughts?
I have several black neighbors and they have made it quite clear they will never vote for Obama. They work their butts off and don't believe anyone has the right to their money!
"Stop hating and pay attention"
I could tell you to look in the mirror but what would be the point. Obama wants to raise taxes on companies. Companies that already pay the highest taxes in the world. That is why we have so many companies going to other countries now. Making their taxes higher will make more jobs leave the USA. Do you not see that? Raising taxes during an economic crisis will lead to a recession (if we aren't already in one) and into a depression. Let us look to the past when President Hoover raised taxes during a recession....I do believe something happened called The Great Depression. When FDR was in office he put forth several government programs called the new deal.....studies actually have proved that because of all of these government programs that he actually extended the duration of The Great Depression.
I'm not a hater. I don't wish Obama any ill will. This isn't a race thing. This is a common sense, reality check thing. I just do not think that his promise of change will do anything but bring a change for the worse. Obama brings nothing but false hope.
"Pay attention". That is the problem. And to say
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They pay no attention to the REAL man behind the curtain...
not to worry, he may be elected but he certainly will be found out for the phony he truly is. The Kool Aid is bound to wear off some time.
I wonder when pubs are going to turn their attention
constantly pronouncing judgment on the big, bag boogey man. Have you noticed that republicans have a leadership and principle/platform crisis?
I guess you didn't pay attention....(sm)
when it came to direct quotes and video footage of Bush. In other words, Bush has video out there that directly contradicts what he is saying now in his exit interviews. For example, he is saying now that if he had known that the intelligence about WMDs was incorrect he would not have gone into Iraq. Previously he had said that it didn't matter that there were no WMDs, he would have gone ahead and invaded Iraq anyway---which he did. Exactly how much more proof do you need?
Apparently you have paid NO attention.
This talk about NWO has been out there since Bush 41, almost two decades. Where have you been? But if it makes you feel better to blame Obama, have at it.
You obviously haven't been paying attention...(sm)
Dems oppose UNJUST war, like going into Iraq or Israel's constant terror against Palestine. There's a huge difference. We are in the middle of 2 wars -- that Bush started. Did you really think that we would be able to clean his mess up with just a wave of a hand?
Pakistan has a government that has no control of its country, which means that militants are currently in charge of the attacks on the supply line that goes into Afganistan. Those are the targets. My guess is that the real Pakistan gov probably gave the coordinates to the US for these and many previous hits. However, they can't really claim that because their people would be all over them because of the anti-American sentiment in Pakistan. This is why you haven't heard a lot of arguement from the UN about these hits. This was the same thing that was going on when Bush was in office.
Obama has consistently said that he wants diplomacy first, but he has also said that he will not hesitate to use force when necessary. In this particular instance, the US is currently working out a deal with Russia for a different route for supplies to Afganistan, but in the meantime it is necessary to protect the existing route through Pakistan. Did you really think that Obama was just going to leave our people in Afganistan with no supply line? And if he had, what would you have said about that?
Get your head out of O's butt and pay attention!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29042139/
It looks as though you weren't really paying attention...
He said the same thing over and over. Withdraw troops from Iraq and put more boots on the ground in Afghanistan..........how could you have missed THAT? Selective hearing? Selective posting, too, I guess.
Then you haven't been paying attention.
Because this is exactly the attitude O has been taking when visiting foreign countries. America has to be rebuilt because the way we are now does not agree with the European model. And good thing he is around now to guide us in through that. Most of us are way too enterprising and independent for his taste and that's something he is looking to change.
Try to pay attention this time. I know it's hard.
**I'm completely convinced he is not a Christian.**
That he was **not a Christian** was the fable that was spread all over this board and on every conservative site before he was elected. Instead he was accused of being a muslim and a terrorist and the **fables** just got worse and worse.They were all lies. So you're **completely convinced he is not a Christian and then you go on to provide proof that he is. His Christianity is not the **fable**. Bringing back all the speculation about his Christianity like you did in your 1st post is the **fable**.
Got it now?
You should really start paying attention....(sm)
to what is said by the president as opposed to the Fixed Noise version. What Obama actually said:
".....we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."
He is absolutely correct. The US is not a theocracy and is therefore not bound by or based on any relgion.
The Fixed Noise version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEF2-a6QBx8
It's a smokescreen to defer attention off....
Barry from Chciago. They can get outraged about Sanford's affair (was their equal outrage about Clinton...I seem to remember NO, all I heard was it was about sex and nobody's business). Funny how the worm turns. And these same people who want to fry him are willing expect lie upon lie upon lie upon lie (not about sex, about the good of the country, but who cares, right??) from their President, the one they elected and turned loose on the rest of us. Holey moley, I have heard of tunnel vision, but I have never seen so many affected by it at once!
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