Excellent link - I never did "buy" the party line
Posted By: me on 2008-09-19
In Reply to: The myth of the Clinton surplus...I'm a libertarian but I am sick of hearing this..SM - Dems and Repubs, Beast 1 and 2
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All this is all well and good and right down the Democratic party line...
the fact is...a few months ago Joe Biden said: "I would be proud to be on a ticket with John McCain." Last night he attacked him. So...take your pick. He was lying then or he is lying now. He lied. Perhaps you are impressed by throwing friends under the bus, lying or whatever it takes to toe the party line. I am not. I think it shows marked lack of character. To each his own.
Questioning his experience is not a personal attack, spineless or otherwise. You could leave the spineless personal attacks on people who disagree with you to the side, it might make someone more willing to listen to your viewpoint. What I have heard him say in interviews, what he has said himself, plus the marked lack of foreign policy exposure and experience in his resume do cause me pause. Yes, I admit it. The fact that I fear he will fold like a house of cards if someone gets in his face is a concern. It really does not matter to me if you are sold on him...I am not. And that should not be the basis of an attack on me from you. THis is exactly what I am talking about. Obama supporters attack anyone who does not agree with them. Thank you for making my point.
By all means though...STAY LOYAL TO THE CAUSE OF THE PARTY. Friends under the bus, lie, whatever it takes. I get it.
I didn't get that party line change momo
Believe it not all Republicans aren't Christian or conservative. Corruption is not limited to just one party either, so remember when you point a finger you have three more pointing back at you. Corruption is going to happen because we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God not that it excuses any bad behavior.
Right back at ya....hard party line no matter what...
as long as the DNC gets what it wants and you all just follow along. Just because we would like smaller government and less government hands on our pocketbooks does not make us selfish. What do you call someone who wants to take something away from someone who earned it and hand it to someone who didn't? What is the word for that? Stealing. Should we be calling the socialist Democrats thieves?
Isn't the party line "good christian moral values" or something like that? sm
If they are going to espouse all that good moral values stuff, the least they could do would be to acknowledge it in their own loves. The GOP won the election (supposedly) on the stand that they would bring back all that good value bullcrap to government. So, I guess we're seeing it now, huh?
Excellent link - thanks
One thing about the crisis...sure been learning a lot about the economy these past few days.
GOPs are gaining - excellent article - see link
Excellent article by D. Morris (who used to be an adviser to Clinton). He hits it right on the head with his assessments. 1.) Obama's poll numbers are not changing but McCain is gaining. 2.) End of July voters trusted the dems to better handle the economy by 11%, now they only trust them by 4%. 3.) Before the convention voters trusted dems to achieve energy independence by 8 points, now it's only a 2 point lead. 4.) When asked who made the smarter VP choice voters said McCain did 50 - 40%.
Key to her popularity is that she understands the average persons problems. Of the question which of the 4 candidates understands the problems of day to day life in America Palin finished first with 33%, Obama second with 32%, McCain with 17, and Biden with 10.
Worst news for Obama is when voters asked who they would consult for advise with the "toughest decision of your life" voters chose McCain over Obama 50-34.
I've been saying all along the Republicans are sweeping the nation. People are seeing through Barack's lies and false hopes. Link to the article is below so you can read for yourselves.
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/09/15/gops-gaining/
Here is a link to a tea party page.
http://newamericanteaparty.com/
I am middle class, but I dont "buy" Obama's
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"Untied" States of America and good "buy."
last line of Matthews piece cut off in error. 1 line sm
complained in a letter to his boss that Matthews had shown a pattern of sexism.
Actually, I answered your posts line by line
about not "allowing" you to have an opinion. Those are your words, not mine. This is a good example of how this discussion has escalated from a simple link to this utter squashed bug nonsense. Why are you not able to simply debate the original issue at hand...the Eric Holder appointment? Too much of an intellectual challenge when somebody presents a THIRD-PARTY alternative viewpoint? You are the one who mentioned losing sleep and I remarked that it was probably unnecessary since you were blowing something out of proportion....something you have been doing all afternoon. You takes things WAY too personally.
I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
post the link only, not the whole article and the link. See rules for posting.
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Don't you get it? SP 1st in line. JM=72.
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That is really out of line and
comparing Obama to Hitler? Talk about paranoid. There is nothing to suggest Obama is Marxist or Nazi. This is all hate and pot stirring rhetoric. Boy some people just operate on fear and are sour grapes that the majority of the people have spoken and Obama was chosen.
You really should come up with a better line.
No such thing as Bush juice. But I wouldn't expect less from someone on the kool-aid.
Excellent! Thank you.
Excellent!
'Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed.' Bruce Springsteen.
Excellent.
A lot of people do say if she was a man the media would never go after her and she wouldn't be attacked like she has been. I liked the post. Thanks.
Excellent.
If O wins and a few months goes by, I will be proud to say I am the one who voted for McCain. This is not a normal election, this is like a radical movement going on.
EXCELLENT.
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Just the big bad.....also excellent.
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Excellent
I saw this back during the election. It brought tears to my eyes back then and still does. This soldier is so very right with everything he has to say. I think it's just a very sad time for our country right now. Gone are the days of many people feeling patriotic and doing what is necessary to keep our country free. I mourn for the country we once had and am very guarded about what is to come for us.
I served in the US Army to protect our country. I was a very proud American and served to protect our country from enemies.
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
Back then we all thought it would only be foreign enemies. Who knew back then that in the future (now) it is domestic enemies.
Way to go! Excellent!!!!!!
I was actually going to post and say I do believe he actually goes to the bathroom the same way all of us do (well the men at least). So, hey, he must really be like one of us. I am truly amazed at the way some people think. I find American Idol tryouts to be more entertaining.
The last I knew Barack Obama was a human being. A man just like every other man on the planet. Sleeps, drinks, eats, and poops the same way. The people treating him like a God is getting way out of hand.
The simple matter they all fail to forget is just cos he eats a dog and fries does not make him like us. This is a man who was pushed into power faster than any of us could turn around. This man sends his kids to camp that costs $10,000 a week. This is a man who lives in mansion and has no idea what it is we (the plebes of society) are going through. He will never have to worry about putting food on his table, paying his electric bill. He is in a life of luxury and every once in awhile he will do a photo shoot so that people will say "wow, look at that, he ate a dog and fry - gosh he must be in tune with us". Here's some news...Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, John McCain, George Bush, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, John Edwards....they all do these photo ops too (remember Hillary guzzling down the beer with the workers). They all do it.
People need to stick with issues. Not this phony photo op thing. All presidents to it. As for him holding a baby. He was on TV and I saw someone hand him a baby and he didn't look all that happy or comfortable about it.
Barack Obama will never be "like us". Just like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Mit Romney, etc. These people are and never will be "like us".
LOL - That was excellent! Thanks
I love Jon Stewart. I like that Obama has a great sense of humor. Its the obots that give him a bad name.
I thought it was funny that on the podium under Baracks name his title is "Almost President" ha ha
Thanks for sharing! I love a good laugh no matter who it is about.
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!
Okay - I'll tell you right now I haven't watched the whole thing, actually I haven't watched any of it :-)BUT..... with that said my DH has watched it many times. He keeps telling me to watch it and it's one saved in my favorites for "one of those moments when I'll have time to do something other than work". He's told me all about it and we've had this discussion so many many times.
I'll tell you what I feel..... What happened to JFK is just a grain of sand compared to what has been done with this whole thing. I loved the part where GW tells the kids he was watching TV when he saw the first plane hit (nobody saw it cos it wasn't on tape). I also loved the reporter (not sure if that is on this loose change video) but loved the reporter who was talking about Building 9 (I think it was called bldg 9) that had just collapsed and sitting there behind her was bldg 9 still standing. A short while later it collapsed.
Not many people I can talk to about this because they'll claim me a "whacko" and ridicule me and tell me I've got all these conspiracy theories and treat me like I'm that character that Mel Gibson played in the movie "Conspiracy Theory". :-) But this is just so much to think about. It's horrible and I am shocked that in my lifetime I have lived to see something like this. It does make you think - that's for sure.
Excellent - you said it better than I could
I'm not very good at expressing myself, but you said exactly what I feel. If I want to give charity I will give it of my own free will.
We do not need redistribution of wealth and socialism. If you think redistribution of wealth and socialism is the way to go, then move to Cuba or Russia because you are not a patriot of the United States of America and everything our founding fathers fought for.
Excellent - thanks
Especially your last paragraph.
Thank you for this excellent example of
Not one mention of the 1948 or 1967 wars that were launched against Israel. Not a word about Arafat, Hamas, rockets, suicide bombers, etc. Not a word about the countless ceasefires broken by the Palestinians.
This is nothing but a complete distortion of the truth about this region.
That's the only line you took from the speech...sm
But you think Bush who admits that he did drugs - obviously inhaled or sniffed, and was an alcoholic is a living testimony of credibility. Is there a double standard here?
Newsweek on-line
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Oh geez. The least you could do is get a new line...
you asked me that same question under a different moniker not long ago. At least get some new material. Geez! And as far as emailing you...not in this lifetime. I did that once...once burned, many time shy. You guys can get pretty hateful on this board, but a sailor could take lessons from you when you are uncensored...LOL Had enough of potty-mail all-tolerant liberals to last me a lifetime. And anybody knows you can have more than one email going to the same place. Geez. Get a new schtick. This one is oldddd.
The bottom line is....
from 1870 to the 1960's the majority of elected Democrats in Congress, with the help of a small minority of southern Republicans, effectively denied African Americans the right to vote for 90 years FOLLOWING the civil war. If you are saying that seeking their freedom and giving them the right to vote is a "liberal" movement, then it was the Republicans in majority, not the Democrats in majority, who were the "liberals" of that time.
In my mind, we are all tied up in semantics. The passion and commitment to something that to each of us is morally right is not liberal nor conservative. It is a human characteristic. None of us, I suppose, are truly liberal or truly conservative. It is a mixture. Some "liberals" agree with me that abortion is morally wrong and are against it for that reason, yet still consider themselves liberals. Some "conservatives" (such as Guiliani) do not agree on abortion and are pro choice, yet still call themselves conservative. I made a comment on the conservative board regarding the fires in California and was accused of sounding like a "bleeding heart liberal." So, in essence, over time people have identified certain characteristics and tried to put them in a liberal or a conservative box. And because we are human, and because we are different and have different ideas, we do not fit into boxes and ideas cross over. Hence, no true liberals or true conservatives....and that fact does not bother me at all, though it does bother some.
It is just that some of us love the labels more than others, I guess; the labels make them feel good, like they are affiliated with something noble...and what the labels mean to us individually, and some get very angry if someone questions the label.
I guess my prefrence is not to be labeled.
And that is what it is...a label, in the grand scheme of things. Because no one can really agree on what it means. Everyone puts their own personal spin on it. That is the nature of the human condition.
The last line of your post is....
So, the "God is telling me I need to fight for all unborn fetuses" is a religious issue and should be there. Tired of seeing line after line after line of religious opinions on the political board.
You also said this: If your trying to make an argument with the "I'm fighting for all the unborn fetus'" and God is telling you this, blah, blah, blah, that's all great but it should be on the "Faith" board.
I never said anything remotely like that. To suggest I did is not true. TO use your own words, I take offense to someone who makes judgments about me without knowing me. You can make judgments about me, but no way should I make any about you?
Generally when something is not true it is a lie. I did not directly call you a liar. However, I apologize for any inference if there was any. How's this? What you said is not true. I never said God told me to do anything. I never said religion was my motivator. You made assumptions about me and you don't know me.
It is not hard to read posts on abortion at all, in caps or not. Just don't click to open it.
You and the others have made your point ad nauseam about how tired you are of it. I am tired of being told what I can post and what I can't, just as tired as you are of seeing abortion threads. And none of the threads would be near as long as they are if "they" ( I won't include you since you say you are not one of them) didn't pile on and bash me. It would just beone lone post. And believe me, as tired as you are of seeing abortion posts I am tired of the endless bashing that goes with them.
Yes, I said if it chaps you so be it, and it obviously does. You are basically saying the same thing to me: stop the abortion posts or take them somewhere else, and if it chaps you, so be it. Okay for you, not okay for me.
And to use your words..enough has been said about it and it is getting old.
Get a new line. That prayer cop-out
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Look down the line...sure are a lot from YOU..with no point
other than to bash sam. Pot callin' the kettle wouldn't you say?
Disregard name line.
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The name line should read
continue with body of original post.
Bottom line
Obama is going to win, that's what counts.
He must do something right, if the majority wants Barrack Obama.
bottom line...
After the attack of 9/11 something HAD TO BE DONE.
What other options were there?
Doing nothing was sure not an option.
Why is it out of line to say things about
O, yet for years Bush has had some horrible things said about him, Palin was maligned, etc ( I know, I know, you're going to respond by saying the things about Bush and Palin are true..beat ya to it). We have this thing called Free Speech, a wonderful thing, the beauty of the United States. And please don't pull the "racist" card out either, it doesn't fly. This PC, touchy-feely, give peace a chance. can't we all just get along business is grating on the nerves.
That is really out line and distasteful
Very disrespectful to her as a person. I am not going to read your posts anymore because you dont write what I like.
I do not make as much as many per line
but I make a decent amount of money, especially to stay at home. I hear some people whining about how they cannot get more than 10 cpl and think that there might not be so much out sourcing if these folks might be willing to work for less. However, I might take a pay cut if I had to in order to keep my job. It would sure beat forcing my company under and having no pay at all.
Those one-line wonders are just too
are so direct and to the point. Most of us don't have time to write volumes here like some folks! Besides, the questions, or statements, are so simple-minded, it only takes one line to respond.
And then STAND IN LINE for your
You sound awful happy about old Barry. Another welfare millionare in the making, methinks.
That IS the bottom line...
That's the only reason it is being offshored. It has nothing to do with "free trade" and everything to do with corporate greed.
He can say whatever he wants about "line by line" but...sm
O can go through every budget bill, addendum, omnibus, whatever you want to call it line by line. However, until he gets the power of "line item veto, he can take out whatever he wants when he wants, he can veto all he wants until the cows come home. However,
the congress can, by a 2/3 majority, over ride his veto. And guess what??? Pork is still king and earmarks and lobbiests still reign supreme.
Line item veto power is goingto be harder to come by than a choice of a viable 3rd party. But that is JMO.
You obviously just read one line in
my post. I said it cannot be done correctly if it is rushed. They are trying to rush this because it is such a controversial thing. We cannot afford it right now without taxing people more. This is something that needs to be looked at very carefully with the kinks worked out before they go on passing it. Things that are rushed often have a lot of flaws.
The bottom line is....(sm)
Torture does not provide reliable confessions.
Torture has not and will not "save American lives." If it has done anything, it has put more lives at risk.
Waterboarding was used in WWII against US personell by the Japanese. We prosecuted those who used torture and executed them. Why? Because it was against the law. And what did the Japanese get for their efforts with torturing? False information and a bad reputation. What makes you think we'll get anything different from that?
The only thing torture is good for is revenge. That's not what this country is about, and its not what I'm about.
EXCELLENT point! nm
Excellent post. Thank you. NM
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