Exactly, Amanda!
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors on 2009-01-28
In Reply to: what needs to be defended? nm - Amanda
Obama has done nothing that needs to be defended. I think it's the old "Let's turn the attention away from the inept Republican president by slamming the new administration." End of story.
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thank you, Amanda. That is some
transcript if anyone bothered to read it. Must have been ASR!
for Amanda: Exactly, here you go.....nm
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Thanks Amanda....(sm)
I actually believe troops in the field get even less info. If you look at it logically, how many satellite links do you think the US wants in enemy territory? If they did have internet it would almost have to be via satellite as most infrastructure in the region is now wiped out, and a satellite link can be traced, allowing the enemy to pinpoint positions. Hopefully our military is smarter than that.
Also, I have watched several documentaries/commentaries/videos of people involved in the torture of Iraqi and Afghan prisoners. In every case that I've heard of the people dishing out the torture (our guys) were following orders. When this came out it was all over every news station and the internet, and yet in not one interview did any of these people say anything about seeing any controversy or publicity about it in any form. They talked about how they personally had problems with it and what they were told to do, but that seems to be the extent of information they drew on. What's remarkable about this is that this was not exclusive to Afghanistan or Iraq. There was the same thing happening at Gitmo, supposedly a secure location.
Bravo, Amanda....
Your foresight will pay big dividends down the road. Hopefully you will have time to nurture a second language in the conversational arena as well. This ability can give you much insight into the culture that lays beyond and is brought back into your business dealings. Translation is a job skill in a of itself with which you can access a wider variety of better-paying jobs. Computer translation programs can never replace the one-on-one, face-to-face exchanges that come with direct conversation.
My sister took 4 semesters of college level Spanish and ended up with a scholarship to study in Argetina in the 1970s, where she met her first husband. One good thing can often to lead to others. She divorced years later and remarried to an Iranian. Her ability to adapt through a second and third language has enabled her to thrive in a severely depressed economy. She is living in Tehran, Iran now where she and her husband run a successful flower business, an import export business and an English and Spanish tutoring and translation service. They do substitute teaching in their "spare time!".
This second marriage also blessed her with the birth of a new son at age 45. He is 12 now and is trilingual, fluent and literate in English, Farsi and Spanish. The kid is comfortable and right at home in the US and abroad.
Keep your eye on the prize. You never know what is waiting for you just around the next corner.
Exactly! Amanda does her research.nm
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sorry, amanda, this should be under your post, not ms...nm
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Amanda....it says that the credit will...
eliminate federal taxes for 10 million low income families. Someone has to make up for that lost revenue. Or are you saying they are really not paying taxes anyway so when he says he is giving them a tax credit he is not, he is lying about it? So which part is lying and which part is true? They were paying taxes and now they are not going to be because of the credit, or they were never paying taxes anyway so it is a credit name only. Please advise.
NIce try, Amanda.
Dear Amanda:
Your attempts should be applauded, but just take a look at the thread above yours here (about renaming the White House) and really, truly SEE your audience.
Wearing the cloak of "Christianity," they talk about only there being only one perfect man, and he was killed, yet they stir the pot of hatred and lies in a frenzy, leading me to believe they wouldn't mind at all if another death takes place.
They take something as benign and American as two parents getting a puppy for their children and try to turn it into something sinister.
Their lives will probably drastically improve under President Obama, but they'll be too full of hate to ever even know it.
You made a valiant attempt, but President Obama will never have a chance with these people, but that's okay. The good news is that the majority of Americans aren't like this, and they are the ones who voted for someone who may likely go down in history as one of the best Presidents ever -- if he's given the chance and allowed to live long enough to do so.
Thank you for your honesty, Amanda. sm
I appreciate it.
By the way, my niece's name is Amanda....and I think of her when I see your post! To me, she will always be about 10 years old, but she just turned 20! They grow up fast.
Oh please, Amanda - sometimes you are right on, but this time not
These are not little expenses like "groceries", and these are not expenses entertaining foreign diplomats. These are weekly parties that the taxpayer is paying for. I'm sorry but having big name entertainers and conga lines are not working parties, but of course the crats will say that. These are parties that cost a huge amount of money (that is taxpayers money). These are weekly Wednesday night parties with steak, champaign, etc. You really think they eat things like us common folk eat (hamburgers and hot dogs), please, they wouldn't stoop so low.
What I'm complaining about is the country is in a "world of hurt". People are losing jobs, homes, etc, and while the O and other politicians are saying we have to cut back, they are not, and they are not spending their own money. They are spending tax payers money. They need to lead by example.
And to turn the wh into a party palace is a disgrace.
People, stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up (not you Amanda because you usually have some pretty good insight but this time you are just wrong). The rest of them who defend this I'm afraid are still sleeping.
Well written, I agree with you Amanda
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Thx Amanda - They won't admit (see message)
when their wrong. They keep trying to argue a mute point. I think Stardust is a racist for assuming I'm a white person. I don't know how much clearer you can point something out. It's like talking to a wall. I also don't know how I could be a racist when I voted for him in the primaries. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Well I'm not going to read anymore of Stardusts posts anymore. Not worth my time since she won't even stand up and admit when she's wrong, and she grasps at anything. Calls me a racist and says I said racist things and then tries to claim it's something I said after she posted that message. Just not worth my time.
Thanks again Amanda for your message. This board sure is infiltrated and its getting more and more sickening to her the attacks on McCain & Palin while giving Obama and Biden a free pass. They attack M/P and then say that the conservatives do all the attacking.
Man-o-man I can't wait for the election to be over.
Amanda is right - it's not all one side - (see message)
And it is all wrong. No matter what you think of anyone common sense tells you that you should not have a person who is still living depicted in this way. I don't care how much dislike you have for them. Amanda had another post with a link of a picture of Obama sitting with "death" behind him. Another truly disgusting "art" creation. Funny how they use the words "art" and "halloween decoration" to cover up an act of hate. I heard a lawyer interviewed last night and she said that you can't hang Obama as a "decoration" because it's considered a hate crime (race, slavery, etc), but there is no such thing as a hate crime against a woman. While I can understand that, I don't agree with it. Try telling that to the family of the "white" lady reporter in Arkansas beaten to death. They said every single bone in her face was broken. Now if that is not a "hate" crime I don't know what it.
An inconvenient truth, Amanda.
You go, girl!
Way to go, Amanda! Great research.n/m
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Famous last words, Amanda.....sm
Remember your own posts in the coming days, when you swore that he was not a socialist.
All of the policies he is about to institute are socialist or marxist. He may try to call them another name, but they are still socialistic programs, and marxist.
It's all laid out, in front of your eyes....but you can't see it
Amanda has really summed up most of our lives and
it is scary. I wonder how many transcription companies will close their doors within the next year. The top 3 transcription companies may be all that are left before long.
Well, I'll agree with you on that, Amanda.
This bail-out stuff should have stopped before it started. After the Wall Street bail-out has the news gotten any better? No. It is worse on a daily basis. It will be the same if the auto industry is bailed out. I say no bail outs. For those of us who make bad decisions we're left to suffer the consequences. Let the businesses do the same. First Wall Street, then auto industry, who's next? It won't be Joe the (honest) Plumber, that's for sure.
Thank you Amanda..besides, I think that if most parents could send their
child to private schools..and he and his wife are PAYING for it, so what is the problem??
Good point, Amanda. sm
If you had really listened closely to Prez Obama's speech earlier, he clearly stated the government is willing to give them a boost up in order to stabilize them and give them a chance to revamp their manufacturing in order to be competative with the global car manufacturers. I am so glad to hear that one of the plants that will be shut down is Hummer. We don't need gas guzzlers like that on the road. They serve no purpose other than to satisfy the egomaniacs who need a huge obnoxious vehicle in order for them to feel superior. We are not all going to be driving Smart cars. For pete's sake, be realistic. There is a solid purpose to keep manufacturing trucks and SUVs, and they can be made more energy efficient. We desperately need a new mindset in this country, one that insists on less consumption, more cost effectiveness with an eye to achieving freedom from foreign oil. In other words, we need to adapt a new attitude of learning to live without all the disgusting excess that goes on in this country. People need to wake up and reprioritize what is really important, which is not more, more, more. We can be the leaders in the world and set an example to everyone else that our values are more important than the trappings that we have prostituted ourselves for decades. This is not a bad thing!
"'The truth is that the president is just doing with GM what we, the people elected him to do: manage America’s decline and do it gently, painlessly, without seeming to abandon the old tropes of American Greatness."
Amanda, these people just got to have something to whine about sm
They have very short memories I reckon. They forgot that Bush spent one-third of his presidency at his "ranch". I guess it was free for him to do all that flying back and forth. And then there was the 40 million dollars he spent on his SECOND inagural party, just two months after the devastating tsunami that hit Indonesia. Imagine how far even HALF of that 40 million dollars could have gone toward that effort!!
Yep, a desparate bunch grasping at some pretty flimsy straws!!
Sorry Amanda you are wrong - see message
Like the message below this said, they are starting to socialize our health system. They want the government to control it. I've watched many economist speak about this, along with a lot of politicians (not ones that are in DC, but individual ones from individual states) and they are saying the same thing. We cannot socialize our health care.
You will not have a choice as to what doctor you can go to, what treatment you'll be able to get or medication. The government will be in charge of that. They will decide what you will and will not get.
I think you probably know by now that Obama says one thing and does another. He will get up and give a good speech, but as soon as he is done speaking he does the opposite of what he says he will or will not do. Kind of like when he was in another country and said our dollar was strong as the dollar was tanking and other country leaders were snickering and laughing at him. Funny though cos Obama could say the sky is green and people would believe him and defend him for it.
We listened to someone talk (forget who it was right now), but they knew someone in Canada who needed a procedure and it was going to be a four month waiting period. They came to the US and had the procedure done the same or next day. I said to DH if they have their way and socialize our health care system I think Obama and other politicians who push this through should be told that they (or a family member of theirs) will have to wait 4 months for an MRI or other procedure to be done. See how they like it.
It's just a very very sad time for us all to see our country being deteriorated. I am understanding how Cuba and other socialist countries got that way. Sort of little by little then before you know it it's too late. It's the same way our landlords when we lived in Germany told us what happened to them leading up to WWII. It's just awful to see our country going the same way. They were promised everything and then look what happened to them. And history is repeating itself here in America.
Just very sad.
Is an old issue that needs to be resolved & answer to Amanda
I would not go by anything the Annenberg foundation puts out and FactCheck is not a reliable source.
To Amanda, there are two kinds of certificates. I have the one like you do where there is no information but name, date of birth and a raised seal, but there is another kind of certificate called the "vault" certificate that is filed by the hospital to the state. In the medical records department we type in all the pertinent info (name, weight, length, time of birth, parents names, etc). That is the one we send in for the official record. That is the one they are requesting and the one he refuses to submit. This is the one I had to apply for to verify I was who I was before I could join the Army.
Ah, Neurnberg Germany. That brings back memories. I was stationed in Katterbach/Ansback and went to Neurnberg almost every weekend. Neurnberg is also where all the military wifes went to have their babies and your daughter is American citizen because she was born to US Citizens AND American bases are considered US soil. I have another friend who had her baby in Germany and her husband was military but she chose to have her baby in a Germany Hospital and her baby is a German citizen. Until they apply for him to become a US Citizen he remains a German citizen. Seeing as Obama was born in Kenya that is not US Territory, and he cannot produce his vault certificate because he doesn't have one.
On his website (and approved by the Annenberg Foundation) is simply not the actual birth certificate. There is no raised seal on it and it is very easy to recreate this form. Anyone can get access to the forms and fill in whatever information they want to. Obama's campaign did have a form on his site before that kept being taken down and altered and posted back up on the site that could clearly be seen was a copy of his sisters certificate. It has since been taking down.
Additionally maybe Obama thought he might run for Prime Minister in Canada because he also has a Canadian birth certificate.
Life sure is strange. Meanwhile I'll sit back and watch all this come tumbling down.
Amanda - I stand corrected - thank you - see message
When I'm wrong I'll admit it and this time I'm wrong. That is in such bad taste.
If parents want to dress their kids in political figures that's one thing (though I think the kids would rather be ghosts, witches, princesses, etc) but to try and make a political statement and use the excuse that its Halloween and in good fun is just in bad taste (IMO). I find it equally offensive no matter who it is.
I think its bad taste and think everyone should take down everything. I find it just as disgusting as I found the remark Hillary said about staying in because an assassination could happen. When you talk about death of people that just gets to me.
So Amanda thank you, I do stand corrected and am humbled. There are McCain supporters who do the same as Obama supporters.
What happened to decency in America and leave the halloween costumes to kids and people going to parties.
That's why they call him Hidin Biden (sm) and to Amanda
Anytime anyone leaks out what their plans really are they hide them away.
Amanda, - If your really believe that Obama "will be happy to pay more taxes", and that he's going to do everything to help you while taxing those nasty rich white republicans, then I guess you will also believe that Richardson "mispoke" himself. The truth is coming out but why aren't the dems seeing it. They say it themselves out of their own mouths and you still won't believe it.
Amanda, you've wasted your breath. s/m
There is not a rational thought in any of these people's heads. They don't care about hope or the possibility of change for the better. The ironic thing about this is that if and when Jesus Christ were to return, these kind of people would be the ones who would crucify him all over again because of the narrow-minded prejudice that seems to feed them. More's the pity.
Amanda, sad to say, your're wasting your breath.
There is just no getting through to these narrow-minded people. They don't want to give him a chance, because their tiny brains have been filled with the BS that has been fed to them by the publicity-seeking egomaniacs that they worship (Lamebaugh, Coultergeist, Beck who I think is a closet Nazi, O'Reilly). Dittoheads -- what a great name for them -- they are incapable of having an original thought of their own. One poster on here has the nerve to say "he has had his chance". Give me a break -- that shows nothing but ignorance. The man has been in office less than 3 months!!
You cannot have a reasonable conversation with these types of people. Thank you for trying, though. You had to know you would get flamed on this one, just as I'm sure I will. C'est LA vie.
Amanda's been wife of a solder, and then mother to
It *seems* to her the veteran showed disrespect to the flag, but I doubt she can come up with a concrete alternative way for him to have removed that flag, managed it single-handed, while being able to defend himself.
I think when our embassies have been under attack, the folks who took down those flags were probably in as much of a hurry, and I doubt they did anything differently.
Good analogy, by the way, about the grandfather. First you protect the kid, then you dust him off and see whether he's hurt.
As to stomping on the Mexican flag, no, I would not have. The store owners may have flown the two flags as they did out of ignorance, not to show deliberate disrespect. They may not have bothered to familiarize themselves with the law. They may not even speak English, but have now received a valuable lesson, which I hope someone will explain to them. If they are wise, they will learn from it. If not, they will get together several hundred of their closest friends, petition Obama, march, riot, demand ''equality'' now, and be a general pain in the patootie. I would love to see the followup on this....
I give you credit Amanda- you got me thinking and searching
I found some more articles I had not found before.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90945
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/01/18/pricetag-inaugural-festivities-reach-m/
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18635.html
What I'm saying is this (unsure this is coming out right). The US is in desperate times. Never since the depression have we had numbers of unemployment (which are continuing to rise), people losing their homes, people worried how they are going to make their energy bill payment or car payment because they've lost their jobs. How are they going to feed the kids. My dad recently told me that he has started going to the soup kitchen in his town to get his meals. He says he doesn't know how much longer he will survive if the economy doesn't turn around and he can find some work. He's even been talking about traveling to nearby states, but then he said everything he earns would go for the cost of gas to get there, plus they don't even have any jobs. My DH just went to stay with his brother and is looking for work elsewhere because the unemployment and homeless are skyrocketing here. My dad says it's very bad when there is one job and over 200 applicants. My aunt said the same thing, as did my cousin, three brother-in-laws, two sister in laws (out of 14 family members of mine 9 of them are unemployed, and 4 of them lost their jobs after the O took office - they all voted for the O because they said he said he has a plan and would save their jobs). Some have talked about going back to school to get retrained but they said "In what?" They said everything they are looking at is no longer an industry that is hiring and there the market is already saturated with people in the fields they are looking at studying and they have experience. They also said they voted for the O because he talked about getting credit to go to school, but none of them have been able to get that let alone know what to study, and better yet, the courses they would like to take are not being offered anymore because of cutbacks. I am reading newspapers from different cities across the country, getting onto "mycity" pages and reading what people are saying about what it is like where they live. They say how much more is this going to go on. They say the stimulus plan had promised job creation and it does not. And they all say this is not a good time for the President to be hosting weekly cocktail parties no matter how rich he is or no matter how much taxpayers are paying for it. They say a little discretion would be in order, and when (if) this country is turned around, jobs are created, homes are saved, and the American people see some relief then have a big party. But to use our money to host a cocktail parties where the guests are staff members and politicians in WA. is not a good idea. He needs to start showing some compassion/restraint.
I don't care about the superbowl party (everyone has them, why shouldn't he). I don't care about opening the white house for the school children or other good causes. I'm all for "anyone" being able to visit the white house, but our country is in such disarray and is hurting very very badly. This is not the time to be having weekly "cocktail" parties. Get the country back on track like you promised you would, then have your parties.
One thing I read that I admire President Wilson for. He did not have any parties at his 1917 inaugural (therefore I believe he didn't have regular weekly parties either). He stated that "having such festivities while there was a war going on would be undignified".
Our President needs to come back to earth and not be so free with the money so that he can keep partying at a cost to the taxpayers. That is not what we elected him for. We elected him because he had some plans to get us out of this mess and we are seeing none of us. The stimulus plan did not stimulate the economy, the bail-outs, did not bail them out (the bank bail-outs went directly to Dubai, China, and some other country) and some are still asking for more money. We're getting ready for some increased taxes, all while the politicians in Washington party it up.
This is not sending a good message, and even other countries are saying we don't know what the heck we're doing. But all the while crats will praise him up and down and will never find anything wrong with him. Some believe he is the messiah and others refuse to put down the kool-aid. They think its perfectly fine for the Washington crowd to continue to party til the cows come home while the country suffers. That is what I am truly dissapointed and mad about.
(as a side note, this has nothing to do with Bush, how we got into this mess or what. Bush is not controlling the parties, Bush is not controlling the endless (open checkbook) the crats are using. Bush is not forcing Washington to use taxpaper money to fund their parties. This has nothing to do with the past administration. This has everything to do with what is going on today and what will be happening tomorrow).
I will be so glad when 2012 comes.
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