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Tillman didn't talk about why he went into the service to anyone.  We will have to assume that what his mother is saying is true.  Has the wife spoken out?  I would think if he told his deepest heart's secrets, it would be to her.  She was his high school sweetheart.  Here's a snippet from a Newsweek article. 

He joined the service just after a honeymoon to Bora Bora with his high-school sweetheart, Marie. He and a younger brother, Kevin, slipped off to enlist in Denver, where they could avoid publicity. Kevin, who gave up a budding minor-league baseball career, remains in the Army. Pat Tillman wanted no attention, no glory, for joining the rank and file. He didn't want to be singled out from his brothers and sisters in the military, says former Cardinals coach Dave McGinnis. Tillman apparently had made a pact with his family to stay silent about his service, a promise they have kept. They have gathered to grieve inside the comfortable family home in a leafy enclave of San Jose.

His was no simple case of patriotism; Tillman was never known as a flag-waver. His agent, Frank Bauer, told reporters he had suspected that Tillman might quit to teach or to practice law like his father, Patrick Sr., but not to join the military. Snyder, his college coach, said Tillman never used the word patriotism when he explained his plans to enlist. He just seemed to think something had to be done. When players asked why he enlisted, he didn't want to talk about it. McGinnis says there were reasons Pat said he had that he didn't want to divulge, and the coach respected his view and his right to make his own path. Tillman had always been different. When he joined the pros, he rode a bicycle to practice because he didn't own a car. He refused to buy a cell phone. A sports publicist at Arizona State once described him as a surfer dude.

It seems his mother decided the pact no longer had any merit.  Personally, I see another Cindy Sheehan, disobeying her son's wishes. 

I just hope he doesn't get us all killed in the next 3 years.

Thanks very much for posting this. 

by a first-generation African-American woman (hard to get by with calling her a racist) in The National Thinker: 

Had Americans been able to stop obsessing over the color of Barack Obama's skin and instead paid more attention to his cultural identity, maybe he would not be in the White House today. The key to understanding him lies with his identification with his father, and his adoption of a cultural and political mindset rooted in postcolonial Africa

Well worth reading the entire thing:  http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2278969/posts?page=1

....and you obviously are not able to follow simple rules of courtesy and good manners in addition to the rules of this board.  It seems your need to deride, disdain, mock and make fun of the liberal posters on a liberal board is something that you cannot control.  You might wish to ponder at some point why you feel the compelling need for cruelty.  It does not win us over, but rather is a very poor advertisement for your far right-wing beliefs.

As far as who I am, I am the same as every other poster - anonymous with a made-up moniker.  It is NOT a good idea to post our real names on a public forum and I would advise you or anyone else against it, unless you have an extremely common name. 

that the US tortured prisoners. He said we won't ever torture prisoners AGAIN.  He stood around and allowed that to happen -- he the man who wants all to remember his pow experience?

I guess you could say I have not walked in a black person's shoes.  However, don't for one second think that I have never felt racism.  I've seen the glares and dirty looks aimed in my direction by black people.  I've given smiles to strangers who instead of smiling back would glare hatefully at me.  I've said, "I have a nice day," to people who have either given me a dirty look or turned their back to me. 

I was at a hospital visiting my dying father when I left with my son to get something to eat.  My son is very young and has a developmental delay.  A black mother and her daughter walked onto the elevator with us.  My son, not knowing any better, looked at the little girl and commented that she was brown.  Without even thinking I said, "Yes she is.  Isn't she beautiful!"  The mother gave me the dirtiest look.

know why she left.  Your "Sue Ann" worship is more sickening than the admiration of Obama who has actual character attributes and accomplishments to admire - not just some little mind that agrees with yours. Grow up.

Because he was black?

Are you watching the CNN coverage?  It's like the ONLY reason today is an 'historic event' is the color of O's skin.  If that's why you voted for him, fine, but at least have the guts to admit it. 

Let's not forget that O's family had DIDDLY to do with Civil Rights movement, so there's NO REASON to dub him the new MLK.  (CNN just called him 'The Healer' which makes me want to vomit.)

His father was African, not African-American, so he has ZERO claim to the whole 'we've been oppressed for six hundred years' BS.  His family was more likely slave OWNERS than slaves. 

It's absolutely LAUGHABLE.  Is this an innauguration or the BET Awards? 

Bash away, haters.  Right back at ya. 

He is NOT Lincoln.  He is NOT Kennedy.  He is NOT MLK.  Of course, those men all have something in common......

.....they all had more going for them than fabulous PR.