Eugenics and master plans.are equal opportunity
Posted By: subjects for dismissal.. sm on 2009-01-11
In Reply to: I didn't say I believed it, just posted an article - jm
Its all about the source and what their driving agendas may be. Readers who believe in and promote master plan theories based on racial purity would be WAY gullible to be convinced of other conspiracy theories, no matter how idiotic the are. Those of us grounded in reality, not so much.
Scouring the net on the topics you named (especially govt takeovers) speaks for itself. If you cite sources from the whack world, don't expect to be taken too seriously.
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Equal opportunity basher....... sm
I'm an Independent, and have been for years, because I don't uphold the Dem/Pub party process any more. It may have served a real purpose when it was initiated, but those times are long gone. My Daddy was a true-blue Democrat and it wasn't until his later years that he really began looking at the issues and the politicians as a whole rather than through the bipartisan microscope.
My opinion, now that the big event is behind us, is that everyone (at least the ones on this board) voted in their own conscience. Most of the posters here seem to have researched the issues and applied their own opinions as they felt led and I don't think anyone needs to be told "I told you so" or needs to rub in the fact that their man won. As Chele, I believe it was, pointed out, we (collectively speaking) have placed a man in office, and while the future ain't lookin' too rosey right now, we all need to pull together and get through whatever the fallout may be the best we can.
FWIW...I've never been happy with the "solution" to the Kennedy assasination either. I think it was poorly handled yet expertly covered up. Be that as it may, the person(s) that were really behind this have to deal with whatever recompense they have coming.
To paraphrase Hoover, "A crow in every pot and forget about the car!"
Equal opportunity for all Americans is not a new vision.
Get with the program.
Hate speech is an equal opportunity killer.
neither can you.
Interesting regarding equal pay for equal work...
http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?GUID=8b69f23e-3ec7-4e68-b1e0-15fdf136d68c
Eugenics? Really?
You believe this toxic blather? Really?
MC (master criminal) Rove........yep.......nm
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She cannot possibly raise that child and utilize her master's, though,
Certainly you'd never encourage your daughter to spend time working on a MASTER'S while trying to also raise a child!! You've just bashed another mother for doing something similar, so I don't get it. Or is okay if you only have ONE child or what? Please fill me in on the double standard you uphold.
Given the opportunity, I would have
voted for Ron Paul. However, Obama taught constitutional law and a constitutional lawyer. He has stated more than once that he will UPHOLD the Constitution.
your opportunity to judge Clinton's
behavior by voting for/against him is officially over. Break on through to the new millenium.
BTDT. This is an equally offensive opportunity.
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I think some of it is the opportunity to express some covert racism.
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Another Rope-A-Dope Opportunity for Russian President Medvedev
Quite apart from Obama already having been sucker-punched diplomatically by Putin and Medvedev (but apparently having learned nothing from it), and having absolutely no confidence that the Russians will be honest brokers anyway, I hope Obama leaves us enough nukes to deal with Iran and North Korea - and whatever rogue countries they sell their missiles to.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/31/russia-agree-start-talks-seek-reduce-nuclear-arms/
It has never been a winning strategy to deal with regimes like these from a position of reduced strength. Never. Ever.
Evidently, my conservative friend, there is no opportunity to be missed in attacking Bush.
And threads are being hijacked on the conservative board as well. It's amazing.
Two-way street not so equal?
Just my 2 cents... though it is definitely a 2-way street with both conservative and liberal radio talking heads (and others) make these comments about all kinds of stuff, including assassinations of either Bush or Obama... I do see a difference here - in that there are a large number of folks in this country who think Bush should be in prison, impeached, or at the very least, hasn't done our country a big favor with this war...with popularity at an all-time low... NOT that I'm saying he deserves to be assassinated, I'm not!!
But this talk of Obama being in danger - it is not because he has done something wrong, it is not because he is a hugely unpopular person (quite the contrary), and it is not because of his actions.... it is about the color of his skin. Racism. And, fear.
Thanks for listening to my 2 cents...
On the equal pay thing....
the women on McCain's campaign (and there are more women on his staff than on Obama's) make more money than the men do...and the women on Obama's campaign make less than the men do...would be nice if candidate practiced what he preached. Just sayin.
Equal percentage is right, I think....nm
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He just wants everyone equal, whether you work
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Thank you and I have equal respect for your decision. s/m
We can all only vote for what we hope (there's that word HOPE again) that we have made the right decision. I do have FAITH in the American people that all of us will come together and take it in our hands to clean up this country at some point. Neither candidate nor member of Congress is going to look out for "we the people" until we stand up on our hind legs and DEMAND it. That is our right under the Constitution of the United States of American and I HOPE we will do it. We did it on a small scale after 9/11. I say "small scale" because while everyone came together, it didn't last long and we all went back to business as usual. If the prediction of us being in such dire straits as we are "warned" about on a daily basis if Obama is elected, I think we ain't seen nothing yet as how the AMERICAN people will band together and DEMAND change. However, if McCain gets in the White House, as I think he will, we'll continue right on down the garden path just as we have the last 8 years. AND it won't surprise me if before this election is done Bush declares martial law and then we are for sure in a fine fix. Use your noggins for a change instead of just trying to get McCain elected, we ain't rid of George W. Bush YET.
hero does not equal presidential - nm
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However, he did not believe that all citizens are equal under the law. Shame on ...sm
you likening BO to Hitler.
No, because it's still not equal. Human beings should
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Equal rights to you people is when
you get YOUR way and to he!! with whatever majority group doesn't like it or doesn't believe in it. That is your idea of equal rights.
Legality does not equal morality.
Many things in this country are legal that God would disapprove of. You cannot serve God and man. I wouldn't go so far as to call this murderer a doctor. Doctor's try to save lives. He was far from a doctor.
Accusation doesn't equal fact
anybody who has a beef against Bush could come out with this...doesn't make it true.
This country needs more love and equal rights, and
It's just a catch-all name for people who feel they have the right to control other people's freedom to live their lives, even when it's none of their business.
Obama is a CHRISTIAN. He supports equal rights...sm
for all people including gay people. I think that the radical Christian right are the gay haters.
Government grant does not equal 10 years on welfare
We are talking about those who make a job out of being on welfare.
Welfare in it's ideology was not a bad thing. It's a great concept. Unfortunately, it gets abused BIG TIME.
The concept for grants is that she will take this grant, go to school, in turn get a good job, pay taxes, and through those taxes the grant will be refunded.
What upsets me are the people who have six kids but refuse to get married because the girlfriend will lose the food stamps. Or the woman who lets her boyfriend and his buddies deal drugs out of their home for a cut of the money and they are living on our tax dollars selling those drugs to our children (well, your children, I don't have any yet, because we can't afford it!)
Fair & balanced - they give both sides equal time
They let both sides speak. They have equal guests meaning 2 pubs & 2 crats, or 1 pub and 1 crat. Unlike the other liberal stations who have 5 crats and 1 pub.
They tell the news like it is. There is more to Fox News than O'Reilly and Hannity. I'm watching Shepard Smith and others who are reporting news stories. These are the same news stories I see on other channels. They are fair because they give a chance for the opposing side to explain themselves and they are balanced because they have equal number of people. What liberals don't like is that the conservatives have anything to say at all. The liberals want to control the country (getting one heck of a start too), which would be an economic disaster to the country (thank you Pelosi with your pet pig projects you keep hiding in the stimulus and Reid for slipping in a pig project that does nothing for the rest of the country). The liberals are trying to shut down anyone with opposing viewpoints than theirs, and they are having their lawyers re-write the laws and change to consitution. - Not good for America. The only thing this stimulus plan is good for is to get people re-elected into their position. Congress does not give a hoot about America....
Pelosi: "Hurry fellas lets vote, I'm off to Rome". Hey there Pelosi, have a good trip, while we all wait for our pink slips and food stamps. Have yourself a great time at our expense.
His plans are just that....plans.
Besides, I don't think he can actually even try to do any of his plans with the way things are now. The economy just won't allow it. We can't afford any government programs or universal health care. The USA has no money. Even if he just taxed the rich more, which I doubt it will just limited to the rich, that still wouldn't be enough money to pay for these government programs. It won't happen....it can't and if it does, we will all pay for it because all taxes will go up.
Cheaper plans -- $107 to $220
There are cheaper plans for the child, just checked and they range from 107 with 1000 deductible up to 220 for HMO. I had to go without health insurance for a long while after getting divorced and getting my life back together, did not ask the government to come in and save me and at an older age, have a lot more chance of medical problems than young kids. When I was a kid there was no health insurance, hardly went to the doctor. I just feel that middle income people (over 80,000) can afford to support their kids with insurance. Do not carry it on yourself and cover your kids if you feel so adamant about it. And as for the cigarette tax covering it, once they find out the administation cost of it, then they will have to tax the rest of us to fund it. Also every government plan starts out great and then they cut the benefits to the doctors as they don't have the money and pretty soon there are no doctors that will accept those patients. Seen it time and time again. But like someone else said, give a credit to the family once they pay the premiums for their kids. Government taking care of us is not the answer, at least to me it isn't.
Plans for CHANGE! LOL
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What are Obama's plans now?
I never believed that BO's plans would work to benefit our country, but now he can't even start his plans if he is elected. This economy is too out of wack and the government has NO money. So how does Barry expect to keep his promises he has made during his campaign? We can't afford more government programs. It just is not possible. So much for that hope he keeps talking about.
I admit that the promise of change is an attractive idea, but I have yet to hear any "plan" of Barry's that will actually bring change worth voting for. Voting for him initially would have raised government spending and taxes. Now that the country is in deep financial crisis....what does he propose now? I haven't heard much of significance out of him to suggest he really will bring about change....or I should say change for the better.
CHANGE WE CAN FEAR.....Barrack Hussein Obama
help with 2 Obama plans
I have found 2 things I need help understanding that were proposed by Senator Obama and am wondering if someone can shed light on what these proposals are. One is "universal national public service" (also spoken about by Michelle Obama in a recent speech) and the other is "civilian national security force." From what I have read, they sound scary, but I am not sure I understand either. Anybody know anything about these?
me too - who else plans to quit
Why work. There are no incentives. Why should I work when my money will be taken and given to people like Peggy Joseph who stated she won't have to work to buy gas and she won't have to work to pay her mortgage.
I did not say I did not agree with his plans -
I said we are not all looking for handouts... Of course, some people believe that is what he is going to do - I for one do not believe he is going to give "handouts".
I also don't consider tax cuts handouts, I don't consider helping people go to school handouts.
And, I very much LOVE the idea of not rewarding companies for sending our jobs overseas and for giving tax incentives to the companies who keep our jobs in the states.
I love the fact that I will not have to itemize my taxes to get to count my mortgage interest off on my taxes - why should some people be able to claim that credit and others not be able to?
I love the fact that he stands for a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body...
I love the fact that he is going to work toward getting affordable insurance for all people and not have to depend on an employer to provide you some type of coverage...
I never said I did not agree with his plan - just that I interpret his plans different than you.
Congress looks at Big 3 plans...... sm
Congress has looked at the Big 3's plans to cut costs in order to "qualify" for a bailout, the amount of which has now grown to $34B. Nancy Pelosi seems to be in favor, so my bet is they will get it.
Some of the concessions the auto makers are ready to make is slashing the executive pay, getting rid of executive bonuses, postponing employee merit raises for next year, suspending health care payments into a union health care plan, and possibly getting rid of the controversial job banks.
Ford said they only wanted a standby line of credit with the government in case the other two go belly up. GM seems to be the one hurting the most.
I really have to wonder, will a bailout REALLY help or will it just postpone the inevitable with the rest of the economy dying the way it is???? 
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97737508&ft=1&f=1001
Went on with thier plans...
with the blessing of folks like Nancy Pelosi. This is hardly a Pres. Bush problem or a republican problem. Obama digs much further and I think we'll find there are more people in Congress that knew about it and either agreed with it or did nothing about it, on both sides of the isle. Is he going to prosecute everyone?
That would be a sight!
Other plans out there make more sense
I've been researching other candidates and their plans.
On the Dem side - Kucinich has a plan for only one insurance provider to everyone. Sends all the bloodsucking insurance companies and their "preexisting conditions" and "not medically necessary" straight out of business. I kinda like that plan, as I used to do billing and it would sure cut through a ton of red tape for doctors, hospitals, their staff and the patients.
On the Rep side - Huckabee has a plan that does away with employers providing insurance. That's kind of scary, as "pooling" to get better insurance rates has always been the cheaper way to go.
But any plan I've seen doesn't worry me as much as Hillary's!
Anybody else who has heard of a candidate with a good plan, please chime in!
i'm curious about both sides as far as plans
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I disagree. I think Obama's plans
will be the one to further hurt our country. However, if I am wrong (and if O wins I hope I am wrong), I will give Obama credit if and when it is due. Until then, I stand by what I believe. Raising taxes during a financial crisis like this will ruin us. Taxing businesses more will only make our products and services cost more which WE will pay for. And as much money as Obama is wanting the government to spend on his programs, he will have to tax more than the rich to cover his expenses.
Cut taxes and cut government spending!!!! Not the other way around.
I understood Obama's plans
thus my message below. I was simply responding the the wish for socialized medicine that equals that of the wonderful place we call Iraq!
Yeah, plans are already underway to...
"let his followers down easy" so they don't go from "euphoria to despair." Read the article in the lowering expectations post below. The Obama camp knows full well that when the faithful find out the sugar train is not coming into the station like promised....NO ice cream for YOU...they don't want them all "in despair" because the great and powerful "O" can't deliver (Uh oh Toto!!).
Good grief...it is AMAZING. lol.
No. Because Obama's disastrous plans have not
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So sam, what are the sleeping lion's plans for change?
Address poverty? Restore the every diminishing quality of life for the middle class? Mortgage industry? Predatory lending/credit card practices? Balanced budget? Reduced debt? Tax reform? Create jobs? Outsourcing? Minimum wage? Protect Social Security? Workers' unions? Small busineses? Corporate corruption? Free trade? Clean up the environment? Alternative energies? Fuel efficiency? Clean elections? Special interests? Federal contract earmarks? Patriot Act? Ending the War? Restoring alliances? Global diplomacy? Separation of church and state? Just curious.
And so are is researching the candidate's plans for the country
how can you ever vote for the RIGHT candidate?
He plans to give the middle class (that would be US)
Don't know about you, but I just can't pay any more taxes without going under financially. (Unless someone invents a vaccine that makes it possible to survive without having to EAT.)
Big corporations (I'm not talking about SMALL businesses, here... I said 'BIG'), aren't paying their fair share & pulling their weight tax-wise. Compounding that is the fact that they currently are actually getting incentives for sending work offshore. Why else do you think the LARGEST MT companies are the ones that offshore? In addition to paying p1ss-ant wages to us peons, they're getting financial incentives to do so.
There are also too many loopholes in labor laws that the big co's have going for them. How else would it be possible to tell a U.S. MT that they cannot work overtime, yet that MT has to work 2-6 hrs. over OT per DAY, just to make the 'minimum' line count and keep her health insurance. All withOUT getting paid for said overtime.
With McCain in office, there is little hope that any of that will improve. The fact that Obama is from a younger generation, with newer ideas, at least gives me a glimmer of HOPE, and right now hope means a lot to me, and alot of other people in the US. Will he get some things wrong? Undoubtedly. No one has ever had a 'perfect Presidency'. But will he get some things RIGHT? Absolutely. He will base a lot of his military decisions on TODAY's world situation, not the one that existed in 1942, or 1969.
I don't agree with EVERYthing Obama says (but then again, I never agree with everything ANYone says.) But I think that for this particular time in our country's and the world's history, we stand a better chance of improving the way things are with some new blood in the White House, NOT the same-ol', same-ol'.
The Candidate's Health Insurance Plans
MCCAIN:
• McCain's health care plan will increase taxes on employer-based insurance, and kick 20 million people off the rolls.
• McCain's plan will throw you into the individual market, where the same plan your employer offered will cost $2,000 more, and you can be refused care because you were sick 10 years ago.
• McCain's plan will shift costs onto the sick.
OBAMA:
• Obama's plan will cover tens of millions of Americans and reform the insurance industry such that everyone gets a fair deal and no one can be discriminated against because they were once sick or unlucky.
• It will create a group market that businesses can buy their employees into so that a small business that paints homes doesn't have to run a tiny insurance company on the side and an entrepreneur can pursue his idea without having to learn about health coverage regulations.
• It will cover all children. And Christ almighty, isn't it time we did at least that?
Compare your taxes under McC and Obama plans
I just did mine and I pay less taxes under Obama.
http://www.electiontaxes.com/
His plans are anti-American -socialism.
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webmd.com has healthcare plans of both candidates
in a very informative fashion, front and center. take a look. i am also very concerned about o's idea for changing medical records technology....
His plans are to create bigger government, which
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