Enjoyed your post, GT.
Posted By: Observer on 2005-08-26
In Reply to: Go ahead continue to talk about which you know nothing about - gt
Not sure why the other poster is so offended. And it was more of a synopsis of Jewish beliefs than a lecture on Christianity.
I also wanted to say that here in middle America I have friends who are Jewish and their beliefs are pretty much right where you're at also. And it's not just them but their friends and relatives also. I guess if the other poster only chooses to look at radical teachings - whether radical right-wing, evangelical Christian, radical Jew or even terrorist Muslims as speaking for all, then we can only hope they can educate themselves over time to what the rest of the world has to offer.
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Enjoyed your post!
Thank you and your post talks about a lot of things I had already believed were true.
I know that in Minnesota the state offers a subsized health care plan with a sliding scale payment plan based on income. It has problems though with coverage amount and asset limitations, but it seemed like a start in the right direction. My thought is that ALL people should be able to purchase health care - I am more than happy to pay for it - my main problem is that a lot of jobs don't offer it so then you are completely out of luck unless you purchase it yourself which is ridiculously expensive. A government-subsidized program which CHARGES for insurance but offers it to all is what I'd like to see. And as a person who has relatives who work for a large insurance company (and these folks make an appalling amount of money) - I can't believe those money-making insurance companies have the best interests of American's health as their primary concern!!
I enjoyed that
I enjoyed reading your post. I don't agree about the whole Obama thing....I think he is a huge mistake but that is just my opinion. However, like you, I am thoroughly impressed by Palin and what she has accomplished. I too like that she is not from "washington." I personally believe that she will be the refreshing change that we need! And like you said, Clinton had no experience and was just the governor or Arkansas and was deemed good enough to be pres and yet Palin isn't? I think she would be WAY better than Clinton ever was if she had to step up and be pres. Palin was an excellent choice whether McCain made that decision himself or not!!!
I really enjoyed the discussion, as well.
It was nice to have a peaceful discussion with differing viewpoints. Peace to you, too.
I've really enjoyed communicating with
you this week. Even though we don't agree, I respect your views and I particularly enjoy reading your posts because you don't get personal and attack others, and it seems that you treat people as you would like to be treated. All that does is increase my desire to read every single post you write because you write intelligently, and I feel I can learn a lot from you.
Please keep posting. 
Ladies, I have SO enjoyed your posts...
like both of you, I have Native American ancestry (Cherokee and Choctaw), Swedish and Irish. But I am an American. Our ancestors who founded this country did not come here and call it England across the water. They wanted to come to a free land with freedom and tolerance for all peoples and religions. It was a wonderful, bold, beautiful dream, and for a long time, it worked. Then enter human nature, petty jealousy and the lot...typical. To use the old addage, has never been a perfect human but one and what happened to him? Hung on a cross.
But I digress. It distresses me to read the "we are citizens of the world" stuff. Excuse me. I am not a citizen of the world. I am a citizen of the United States of America, I am proud of her heritage and her beginnings, always have and always will be. As I said in a previous post...I have never, ever been ashamed of her, but I have been very ashamed of some of her citizens.
It is blatantly obvious to me why so many europeans speak many languages...good grief, most of them are bordered by 2-3 different countries with different languages like our states border one another. So in order to travel, do business and interact, they have to learn different languages. Luckily we don't have Texan, Oklahoman, Wyomingian, etc...we have English. Most of Canada speaks English. We have one country that borders us who have a different language.
And what is wrong with having a national language? France has one...it's French. Germany has one...it's German. Spain has one...its Spanish. Mexico has one...its Spanish. Do you think if suddenly half of Germany illegally "immigrated" to France, France would be interested in putting a press 1 for German on all their phones and putting everything in both languages? Uh...no. I don't see that happening. lol.
Yes, I am a proud flag waver. She flies on a 20-ft pole outside my house every day and she will continue to. I am an American. And I agree...people who immigrate here should do so to become citizens of this country. We are a country of "mutts" as you say...and I use that term very affectionately. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And in the not so distant past, it was being Americans that drew all us "Mutts" together and kept us strong and united as a country. How it pains me to see that start to go away.
I enjoyed a little laugh at my own joke. nm
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Ditto, I always enjoyed your posts as well.
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You said you enjoyed proving people wrong...
then provide your source. And provide some more current statistics. That is all I asked for. A simple request. If you can't, you can't. No biggie.
Hope you enjoyed your freedom/choices! sm
Sometimes what we thought was so bad starts to look better when we get something worse, especially when we did not see it coming. Socialism is not going to be as great as you might think.
I especially enjoyed the real refreshing lie I caught him in the other day...did you catch it?
...no, guess not...no one in the media called him on it either.
Here, let me give you a hint. Obama said that all of the conservative and liberal economists agreed that his economy recovery plan was good (or would work, or something like that).
The lie being that "all the conservative economists" part.
That was one, big, fat, honking lie.....no one even blinked and took his word for it.
My DH says there's at least a half dozen conservative economists out there that don't agree with Obama...and yet....if Obama says they do....everyone believes him.
He lies and you don't even know it, he's so smooth about it.....
But some of us know he does...lie that is......he's getting real good at talking both sides of the issues, so that if something does or doesn't come to pass, he can say I told you so....or whatever needs to be said to save his you know whatsis.
I think he's learned a lot from the Clintons lately, don't you?
Glad you enjoyed them and glad to see you back!
P.S. Please scroll down after reading above post. Washington Post article included.
Reprinted in Boston Globe. Sorry!
I wrote: I second JTBB's post, 'watcher's post is misinformed crap...sm
pYou have also to read what's posted 'inside' the message.
Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts. It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
Post the direct link. I don't see the post you're referring to.
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The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here.
Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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Why did you post this? Republicans have been asked NOT to post here..Bye Bye.
Why did you post this? Happy Thanksgiving is enough but to be so happy we have a republican president? Why did you post that? I would like to remind you, you are on the liberal board. Are you trying to start trouble? If so, let me know and I will report you immediately. No, Im not happy we have a republican president, a warmonger chickenhawk president. Does that answer your question? Now, go back to the republican board. We dont want you here and actually the moderator and administrator have asked republicans not to post here..Bye..bye..
Forgot to post a link in 1st post. Sorry.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
Please refer me to any post where I referred to either the post...
or the poster as ignorant. And I certainly never sunk to the levels you did at the top of the post, against a man who is ill in a wheelchair. Pot calling the kettle black...?
I re-read your post, and I stand by my post.
You are twisting his words by saying that he wants to make friends with terrorists. That is not what he said.
Ya gotta understand the rules. We have to post on this board only. They can post on any board they
The above post explains a lot about everything else you post!
Your revelation about being married to a career Army guy explains why your views are skewed so drastically to the far right! I thought it had to do with small-town Pennsylvania, but now I truly understand where you are coming from. Thank you for explaining that us. We will read your posts in a completely different light now that we know the truth.
If you want to post something on the subject, post
objective views. This is a one-sided publication that asks for donations to keep it going. Nothing I read in there posts anything against any democrats, just republicans. It is not a fair-minded reporting.
I like to read both sides of the aisle but this publication spews hatred for anything not democratic in order to sell books. To those who can't see both sides, this blog, or publication as they like to state, is just up their aisle. I shake my head at one-sided news. Taken from their web site:
"Indeed, a founding idea of the Consortium for Independent Journalism was that a major investment was needed in journalistic endeavors committed to honestly informing the American people about important events, no matter what the political and economic pressures.
While we are proud of the journalistic contribution that this Web site has made over the past decade – and while we are deeply grateful to our readers whose contributions have kept us afloat – we also must admit that we have not made the case well enough that this mission is a vital one.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' "
I second your post and 'watcher's post
is misinformed crap.
My post was a direct answer to the direct post...
of Democrat. It was not a blank open-ended statement. And dial it back a notch...it is certainly your right to protest anything any time you want to. Just like it is my right to protest you protesting while men and women are still in harm's way, because you are in effect aiding the enemy. Apparently the Viet Nam experience taught you nothing. Americans protesting in the streets heartened the enemy and when they were about to surrender decided not to, based a lot upon what was happening in the American streets. I believe that the protesting in that war prolonged the war and cost more American lives. Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason. That being said...lessons were not learned and the protestors are doing the exact same thing now. Exercising the very right bought for them by shedding of American military blood. And I still say common courtesy should keep people out of the streets and off the TV until the military are home safe. But it just proves the same thing to me over and over...the selfISHhness of the protestors vs. the selfLESSness of the military. They continue to put it all on the line for your right to protest anything you want to protest...it is up to YOU to decide where and when that is appropriate, and it is up to you to take the heat for same. It is up to me and others like me (in my opinion) to apply that heat. Go ahead and do whatever your conscience or lack thereof moves you to do. But do not expect those of a different mind not to protest the protest.
Thanks for the post. I think I will look up that
article.
And thanks for pointing out all the other "results" of his administration that, as you say, benefit nobody but the rich and/or the corporations or, as he himself once publicly bragged, "his base."
I know for a fact that when he ran for President in 2000, I told every single person I knew that if he becomes President, we're going to go to war with Iraq. (Nobody's gonna treat his daddy like Saddam did and get away with it.)
I didn't have a crystal ball. I had common sense and a good memory from the Gulf War when his father was President and how he didn't "finish the job." Seems a lot of other Americans forgot about that.
I really enjoyed reading your post and all the facts you raised that I failed to raise in mine. Thanks for the mention of the LA Times article. I'm going to try to look that up on the web.
I know they don't. I said that in my post. NM
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Actually, that post is right on. sm
You sound like a total lunatic, out of control and full of hatred. You sound like someone who could do just what "vs" says. You had best take a look at your behavior. YOUR posts are the ones who should be reported. You are one frightening person.
Re your post
From your post:
"Did you read Mein Kampf? Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there."
Wrote about what? That the Jews were socialists?
This is an entirely different post.
Really wasn't directed to you anyhow.
your post is just sad
I'm actually feeling sad for you right now gt. You obviously don't know what Christianity is about. Pat Robertson does not speak for me, and I don't endorse what he said. I'm sorry you are so bitter and hate filled that you would wish anyone to burn in hell. There are some evil people in this world but my first wish for them is that they find Christ and turn from their evil ways with His help. I too hope one day you find Christ, gt, and quit letting misguided Christians and Christian leaders keep you from HIM. Their blunders are not worth your eternal soul.
thank you for your post
What a great post, so heartfelt and I thank you for it.
Yes I do. see my post below. nm
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The post.
You think there is only one patriot here? Get a trip on your sour shrivled heart and try not to speak.
Whoops! I made a mistake. My bad.
This is the post where the NEOCON tells the LIBERAL not to speak ON HER OWN BOARD!
They can't show a post of a liberal telling Army Mom not to speak because it doesn't exist.
Where did you get that from my post?
Really? I did? Where do you read that in my post? I talk about taking care of the middle class and that the rich really dont give a darn about the middle class. I talk about a friend who is quite smug and out of touch with real America. No where do I mention anything about Kerry or Kennedy.
please post
I would appreciate it if you could post statements from Black Americans that they are okay with Bennetts comments.
What does that have to do with gt's post
I said if we had posted something like that we would have been castigated. You're just proving that point. I'm not in a pissing contest with you...really
And another *right-on* post!
I agree with every single word you said. America is becoming a very scary place indeed. I believe, as you do, that there are people who are eagerly awaiting the *Rapture* and indeed believe they have the *inside track* to heaven. Unfortunately, it look as if this country might actually suffer from their self-fulfilled prophecy if it continues going backwards in time under Bush's completely inept leadership.
Please keep posting. I really enjoy reading your posts.
Thanks very much for your post.
It makes me feel a lot better to hear someone say they're against this. When express outrage at my posting about the issue, instead of expressing outrage about the issue itself, it truly makes me wonder.
I honestly do not recall any threads on the conservative board about this issue. All I recall is total silence (or attacks) when the issue is mentioned.
I also wasn't trying to imply that the crime of child molestation is more prevalent in one political party or another. Obviously, that's irrelevant, and I have a hard time even associating a criminal like that with any political views one way or the other.
It's just that this seems to be a no-brainer, an issue on which virtually everyone can agree, yet the right seems to be eerily quiet when this topic comes up.
Thank you for this post!
Thanks for this post!! I heard about it somewhere but in the chaos that has become my life lately, I probably would have completely forgotten about it..so glad you submitted this..
Please see my post to you above.
I made a mistake and posted my reply in the wrong place. Sorry.
This post had nothing to do with the US...
being a guiltless superpower. It had to do with devaluation of life and a moral decline and what that can inevitably lead to. As to your post, yes, many bad things have happened in many countries...yet if you stack up the dollars, the American lives, that we have poured into human rights issues around the world, you will see that we are far, far ahead of the rest of the world. Nobody can do it all, but America as a country has been the least likely to turn its head in those cases. As a side note, I am of Cherokee and Choctaw descent and I do not believe, nor have I ever, that America as a country has thought my ancestors subhuman. There are always, within any culture, those who set themselves above others. Even among Indian peoples they enslaved other Indian peoples. No one, no culture, is blameless; and no one, no culture, can fix it all. However, as a country, America's record in giving of aid in money, human technical support, human military support, etc., far surpasses any other nation. And we continue to do it, even when we the hand are bitten by those we feed. Because that is what America is as a country. That is why I love this country, what she stands for, and while I am proud of every bit of my ancestry, I am also very proud to be an American.
Re: Your post
You wrote:
That is what America does. We point at what we believe to be wrong and say so. At least we used to.
I beg to differ somewhat on your view of our historical treatment of the Native Americans, being an amateur historian of the settlement of the West. The Native Americans alternately were glorified or vilified by the white culture. Had they not been portrayed as subhumans by our government at one time in the history of the West they would not have been exterminated so carelessly at times. As well, our history of race relations with blacks in the south is certainly nothing to be proud of. Perhaps another country should have come along in both instances and pointed at us, or we should have perhaps pointed at ourselves.
Your post
Yes, in some cases Native Americans were vilified by SOME in the white culture, not all. Yes, there were bad whites. Yes, they often attacked and killed when they should not have. Indians also attacked and killed when they should not have. The very first Americans, I am not talking about the West, but the colonists, got along with American colonists. And, as I stated, Indian peoples mistreated each other as well. There were wars, massacres, slavery, ill treatment. I do not say that to excuse anyone. I also do not think a the blame game for something that happened in the past is not productive. It does not enable people to learn from the past and move on. The persons involved in the villifying are long since dead. Yes, we need to learn from it, but we do not need to bear grudges. As I stated, I am of Indian descent, two different tribes. I bear no grudges. The people who did the deeds are long since dead and my bearing a grudge against men long dead serves no purpose. As to history of race relations with the blacks.... and if I might point out here members of my Cherokee ancestor's tribe, owned slaves. Slavery was not confined to the south. And, as a country, we DID point at ourselves. In case you do not recall, our country was divided and a civil war was fought. Many of my Cherokee ancestors fought for the Confederacy, the slaves they held right beside them. Members of the tribe of my ancestors were involved in the Trail of Tears, but they also held slaves. We need to leave the past in the past, learn from it, and move on steadfast in the idea that we will not allow it to happen again. That is the best thing we can do for those long since dead. Slavery was not the only issue in the civil war, but it was a major issue. So, I would say most definitely, we pointed at ourselves concerning slavery. No country would point at us because of slavery, because most other countries practiced it too. Slavery was not an American thing. Other countries had a class system, the haves and the have nots, and treated the lower cases horribly as well. This was not a problem that was originated in America. The difference is, it was not the entire country with us. We did not believe in that kind of behavior as a country, and we were willing to divide and fight a civil war because of that belief. As an aside, Africans enslaved each other. It was Africans who sold other Africans to white traders. As I said, there is blame to be had everywhere. Is there a country in the world with a history less repugnant to you than the US? Who has a history devoid of mistreatment?
No, want to see the post where I said....
....that I enjoyed finding errors and correcting people. This post says I enjoy doing research. I enjoy most research I do. I also worked in epidemiology in medical research for a good part of my 30s and 40s. Loved it. That's probably why I can be kind of exasperatingly exacting about people citing fiction as fact.
See my post above
It would certainly take an alternate reality to convice me of this.
THANK you for this post....if they want to
IF these posters want to continue to bury their heads in the sands, so be it.
and to FACT FINDER: You're gosh darn right - I'M scared of ALL of them - they all have an AGENDA...(members of the CFR/New World order/New American Century) -
How dare you be condescending and patroning to me or any poster and tell me to *run along* - I'm probably old enough to be your mother, or grandmother.
and remember, it's my generation that has the MOST number of voters today...those from 50-75 - we WILL make a big impact......
and no matter what I posted about Barack - I was not rude, patronizing, and condescending to any poster, as a few of you were.
We can all agree to disagree, now can't we? 
Just as an aside, I was evacuated on 9/11/01 from Newark Airport trying to get home (was in the financial district on 9/10/01) and it took me an extra week to get home....
so perhaps I'm more paranoid than most - and then you'll all have to forgive me because while we all changed that day, I never recouped from the incident nor will I ever. Yeah, it's my problem - but it's also EVERYBODY's problem.
And while I have Muslim friends - I also married French......and have watched France's Islamic population grow in leaps and bounds the past 30 years, coming close now to 30 percent of the country (60 million people in France, well over 25 percent are Muslim).......and I don't want that happening here. I want freedom for EVERYBODY - not people planning to take us down.....there are far too many extremist Muslims who want to do America harm (remember *Death To America* you hear chanted....remember so many of them dancing in the streets once 9/11 happened - Americans have short memories and forget far too quickly in my opinion).
I did read yesterday from some political blogger that down the road here in America, we should expect bombings in the street, car bombings - and when I spoke to my neighbors about this, they said *We are surprised it hasn't happened here yet* -
It's a very scary world today....so forgive me for my own paranoia - paranoia in this case being a heightened sense of reality.
Have a nice day!!
Your post...
Most of the information I found on S-CHIP was the expansion bill itself was on Congressional Library website, but there was no qualifying criteria listed because that is determined mostly by individual states. To find out what the qualifying criteria are, I think your best bet would be, since it is mostly state-administered, would be to go to the state websites to make a comparsion. Use New York state, like you suggest, go to their website and see if there is any information about qualifying. Then check the state site of midwestern, more rural state...like Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa....if that doesn't work, just do internet search on *qualifying criteria for S-CHIP* and see what comes up. It could be that they don't publish that information on the net...don't know.
Now THIS is exactly why I used to like coming to this board. You see, I had just assumed that was written into the program, but it may very well NOT be, and if it is not, it SHOULD be.
I would still be against expanding it across the board, but I most definitely be FOR the income to qualify be driven by where the recipient lives.
Thanks!
Thanks, your post
must've been where I heard the New York thing. I didn't see an actual amount in the proposal either, so I think it will be up to the states to decide and I'm assuming the federal government will have the final say if a cap is too high. Funny how it's only the absolute maximum amount requested that gets reported as the 'norm'.
see post below
about Clinton being "blown to bits." Your response - Freudian slip? What are volunteering for? Retort to. Take it as you will through your personal filter.
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