End of the year 2008 a total of 1.073 Palestinians were killed in Gaza and over 4,000 injured.
Posted By: TYI on 2009-05-23
In Reply to: No, it was over 1,000. killed. Check YOUR facts. - MT and worn out
It is also a historical fact that the Palestinians were the FIRST to populate the Holy Land and that the Palestininas were driven from Palestine 1948, and again in the 1967 war Arab land went to Israel.
In the year 1993 the Palestinians concentrated in the 'Gaza Strip', this is a tiny, tiny land strip where 1.5 million Palestinians are living under horrible circumstances and in fear of Israeli attacks.
November 2008 Israel invaded Gaza and massacred Palestinians living there and the whole world condemned this act.
This is history!
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You man after Israel killed 6 Palestinians on November 5 and
failed to lift the blockade, a condition of the truce they ignored the entire time? Your ignorant statement about the Kool-Aid is completely illogical since Obama voiced a fairly unequivocal sympathy for Israel back in June during his visit there. My thoughts are completely my own and are based in reality, one shared by pretty much the rest of the world outside the homeland, and on my own experiences, not 60 years of US and Israel lies and propaganda.
This is the year 2008 - times have changed
So you think that because you work at home that's the way it should be for everyone. Sorry but this is the year 2008. I for one am glad that woman are out working in society/public. I'm glad that a mother can also be a govenor or senator or anything they want to be. My working at home is my choice. Thank goodness we as woman have that choice. And thanks to people like Sarah Palin it can only get better for us.
ONLY the Gaza Strip? Do you have an idea a tiny the Gaza Strip is?
Obiously not. Look it up online! And it is encircled by Israel in the East and by the Mediterranean Sea in the West. The Palestinians want also the Westbank, that Israel conquered from Jordan in the 1967 war.
Do you believe what the Palestinians say? sm
How do you know they are not inflating the numbers? Anybody can say this many were killed, but until you actually see the bodies, you don't really know. It is their word against ours. And if the Palestinians hide themselves behind women and children, hide their weapons in mosques, then they have to suffer the consequences.
The bad guys don't always wear uniforms.
Why should the Palestinians' fate be to be either be
AGAIN expelled from their land, Palestine, or be all be killed or continue to be a minority in the state of Israel?
Natanyahu's stance is very much weakened and, believe it or not, he can not withstand and contradict Obama any longer. Do not forget that the US supports Israel yearly with US$ 3 (three) billion and this gives the US definitely a say how this conflict is going to be solved.
The Palestinians have proven time and again
their preference for a one-state solution - a Palestinian state. Israel has made numerous concessions, agreed to everything they want, only to have new demands made before the ink is dry. All our administrations from Carter on have tried to broker a two-state agreement. Israel is justifiably tired of bargaining in good faith, giving up territory, agreeing to demands, only to find the finish line moved once again. Obama did not invent the concept of a two-state solution. He's just in office when Israel is saying ''enough of this crap, no more going through the motions.''
Hey, the palestinians have been fighting and LOSING. They've been given every
opportunity to coexist peacefully, to have their own state, their own government --- THEY CHOSE TO FIGHT!
And Israel has offered up land that is rightfully theirs only to have the palestinians kill their innocents with suicide bombers.
Gaza Strip
Israel renews Gaza attacks.
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Hamas live in Gaza.
That makes them civilians, too, the same way our elected officials are also citizens and live in their respective states. If living in their own houses in their own neighborhoods is "hiding," then that statement is accurate.
This is a lie. They live in Gaza. They don't hide there.
They were democratically elected into power, defeating the Fatah party, which retains its majority in the West Bank, but Hamas has won elections there, too.
The majority of the people in Gaza live in the squalor of refugee camps under the iron fist of their hostile occupiers who imposed an apartheid police state and enforce blockades of basic supplies such as food, medicine and MONEY. This strangles their economy and starves their people. Israel was supposed to lift the blockade as part of the cease fire conditions. They have had since June to do this and by the time the cease fire expired on December 19th, they had not done so and had no intention of doing so. THAT is why the cease fire did not hold. Surprise, surprise. More lies and broken promises from Israel, only these particular lies are creating deadly and fatal conditions for the entire population in Gaza. Can you say genocide? It's a war of attrition at the hands of Israel and sanctioned by the United States.
They do not hide behind women and children. The population in Gaza supports the resistance to the blockade, since they and their children are the ones who are being slowly starved to death. That's why they elected Hamas. An occupied population which has been invaded repeatedly, blockaded, has the highest unemployment rate in the world (Gaza at 45%), has no medical supplies and is on the verge of starvation tend to arm themselves and band together against their common enemy. It's human nature to do so. This is not about anything more than simple survival for them.
Yeah, and Isreal took its own out of Gaza, yet
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No, actually that was in 2008
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Israel felt pulling out of Gaza was okay. sm
Oh, okay, that explains all those wailing Jews being forcefully removed from their homes of 30 plus years. Glad you cleared that up. Your statement is ridiculous. But then, they all are. Gosh, your lying comment is getting really old. Does anyone else think so?
I can't believe there are those who believe the 8000 peole in the Gaza strip should
occupy one-third of the land, while the other 1 MILLION people live in the other two-third.
Granted, I'll concede that I have not followed it except that I know the land is sacred, but the settlers themselves should be able to see the unfairness in this.
I think it was a standup think for the Israeli president to do from where I'm sitting.
You might want to check out the thread about Gaza before gloating about that. nm
Ahem. The West Bank is not theirs. Neither is Gaza.
So just how does that justify illegal settlements and settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank?
'trying to take Gaza from Israel is wrong?'
In what century are you living? It was already given to the Palestinians by the Israelis. The area is recognized internationally as part of the Palestinian territories.
What happened in 1948, when the Israelis took Palestine from the Palestinians?
The name "Palestine" comes, via Greek and Latin, from the Philistines; see History of Palestine.
The Palestinians were in Palestine, called the Philistines, BEFORE the Israelis came along from Egypt!
If I were you I would exchange the Bible for a history book and brush up on your history. Read also about the 1957 war!
Also: Give me 1 example, only ONE that what is written in the Bible is true!
'trying to take Gaza from Israel is wrong?'
In what century are you living? It was already given to the Palestinians by the Israelis. The area is recognized internationally as part of the Palestinian territories.
What happened in 1948, when the Israelis took Palestine from the Palestinians?
The name "Palestine" comes, via Greek and Latin, from the Philistines; see History of Palestine.
The Palestinians were in Palestine, called the Philistines, BEFORE the Israelis came along from Egypt!
If I were you I would exchange the Bible for a history book and brush up on your history. Read also about the 1957 war!
Also: Give me 1 example, only ONE that what is written in the Bible is true!
If Netanyahu continues to bomb Gaza,
then Obama has to do some action, words are not enough anymore regarding this conflict.
Most probably Obama, as he is a wise guy, he will curtail US' financial and weapon support to Israel.
Obama will not start the bombing and he will not torture.
Woodstock 2008...LOL (sm)
I wanted to go to that, but we couldn't afford it because of hotel price gouging. So, instead we are going to have a big party here. Is it Jan 20 yet?    
Election 2008
This is a great post. The facts speak for themselves. These are the facts. Sarah Palin is out for herself and her family. Does anyone really think she cares about the country when she is busy charging the state for her trips to ritzy hotels with her children. How many of us can do that? Some of these were $200.00 per night hotels. There are kids in this country going to bed hungry. Here the majority of us are cutting coupons to make ends meet. John McCain owns over 7 expensive homes. Cindy McCain wore a $300,000 dollar outfit to the convention. Do you really think the McCain/Palin ticket has empathy for struggling American families?
How much you want to bet these same problems will exist in 2008? nm
remembered of the 2008 dem conv
...you know, the one in the football stadium with the big white columns, fireworks and confetti. Already, everybody is so busy dissing Gov. Palin, the acceptance speech from Thursday night has been forgotten. Just goes to show how important the celebrity theatrics are to Mr. Obama.
I posted this on this board on 11/05/2008. SM
I won't flame you! I totally agree. Obama as president only weakens -
this country and makes us ripe for the end. He does not support Israel. Keep your eyes on Israel. I look for them to bomb Iran before Bush's term is up because they know Obama will not suport them. (2008-11-05)
So they didn't attack Iran, they invaded the Gaza Strip, but they made their move before Mr. Bush's term was up. I also posted Biden's own words regarding Obama - "Mark my words, it will not be six months for the world tests Barak Obama...."
Looks like Obama's test has begun. I hope he's ready, but I know he is not. He doesn't support Israel and that will be a huge mistake!
total BS -
you are off your nut.
Israel rams humanitarian aid boat destined for Gaza
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20081230/twl-israeli-patrol-boat-collides-with-ai-3cd7efd_2.html
Bloody butchers block 3 tons of medical supplies being transported to Gaza to help prevent severely injured Palestinians from becoming fatalities due to lack of medical supplies resulting from ongoing Israeli blockade of Israel. People who could be stabilized with provisions as basic as electrolytes, antibiotics, bandages, etc are being turned away from hospitals and left to die in the street. Dead bodies are being returned to the family to be taken home due to inability to prepare them for burial. Wonder how many Hamas were hiding out on that boat? Yesiree, our tax dollars are hard at work once again.
Condi lies through her teeth in her 1-minute Gaza statement.
"Hamas has held the people of Gaza hostage "ever since their illegal coup" against the forces of (Palestinian Authority) President Mahmoud Abbas." In the AP report, they attempted to scour this lie by stating that Rice pinned the blame for the violence on Hamas, the Islamist Resitance Movement that "seized power" in Gaza in June 2007 after "ousting" the US-backed Palestinian Authority of Mahmud Abbas. Neither statement even remotely resembles the truth.
Hamas won control of 28 municipalities in both the West Bank and Gaza in the municipal elections of 2005, including control in the West Bank's largest cities (Nablus, Jenin, Ramallah and East Jerusalem). They achieved a stunning victory in the legislative elections in 2006, which yielded a yielded a 78% voter turnout. Hamas won 76 out of 132 seats on the Legislative Council. Factoring in the 4 seats won by independents who support Hamas, they seized 80 seats, giving them control of 60.6% of the council. In other words, they did BETTER than the US democrats in 2008.
Hamas benefited in the election from the fractures in the secular, US-backed (kiss of death) Fatah party of Mahmoud Abbas. Fierce in-fighting between Hamas and Fatah factions erupted in the election aftermath. Israel and the US (along with Egypt) immediately tried to undermine Hamas and force them from power, even going so far as to arm and train Fatah for a war with Hamas! They hatched a plot that involved smuggling US arms for Fatah strongholds in Gaza through a suddenly porous Egyptian border with Israel's blessing.
As with countless other ill-advised US attempts to rearrange the political landscape in the Middle East, this stunt backfired all over the place. When this engineered conflict erupted later in the summer, Fatah and Hamas officers and leaders (including Abbas) were targeted by their respective militia's opponents. Things got really nasty and Abbas HIMSELF dissolved the Palestinian-Hamas unity government, declared a state of emergency, tried to dismiss the prime minister and declared himself ruler of Gaza by presidential decree. Can you say US-backed coup? Of course, this went over like a lead balloon with the newly elected Hamas leadership.
Ultimately, this led to the current division of government between Gaza (Hamas) and the West Bank (Palestinian National Authority), who the US and EU normalized relations with and began sending direct aid. Abbas relocated to the West Bank and is still the President of the Palestinian National Authority. In the meantime, he has found it increasingly more difficult to sustain the more moderate status quo support of US-brokered peace initiatives with Israel in view of the absence of such during Bush's second term. He has announced he will not run for office again at the end of his current term. In May 2008, he stated he would resign if Condi's impotent so-called peace talks did not produce results within 6 months. In July, he spoke not only of resigning, but also of dismantling the Palestinian Authority all together.
As a footnote, Gaza is held hostage by Israel occupation of Palestine and its 18-month blockade, which Condi failed to mention in her statement this morning, not by their democratically elected representatives.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jun/16/israel.comment http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3412813,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/international/middleeast/14mideast.html?_r=2&ei=5094&en=d28cff5caa1702fa&hp=&ex=1139979600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0525/p07s02-wome.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/14/MNGIPMV3N61.DTL
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article640747.ece
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/806603.html
2.6 million jobs lost in 2008 alone.
There are plenty of able-bodied folks out there who are out of work ALSO through no fault of their own, in view of this ever shrinking job market. Handicapped have to overcome THAT obstacle, too.
and in 2006, he stated he would not run for president in 2008 (nm)
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Vietnam war total
Total U.S. military deaths in vietnam was 58,000.
Perhaps your sources of information are erroneous or just not well researched. And using common sense I believe reference was made to the course and justification of the Vietnam War, not the total casualties.
This is total baloney.
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You have just expressed the sum total of
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I think it was a total of $265 over 4 or 5 donations -
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When all is said and done, I bet the total of ALL votes in MN will be....
more than the total of registered voters in the entire state of MN. Come on, give us a break. Do you honestly expect us to believe there are that many "missing" ballots? This has been going on since November 5. Where could those pesky 1,000 votes have been hidden all this time, blast those nasty votes.
That said, I have a question....with all this back room hocus-pocus, will the Republicans be able to filibuster? There are not 60 Dems yet are there?
I am in total agreement with you! nm
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I am in total agreement about him just being him
Joe Lowery goes back very, very far- marched with MLK, pals around with Andrew Young and a very decent person. I have visited in his church years ago before his retirement. He was dead on and I enjoy his sermons, watching him with his fireside chats he has had before. He tells it like it is. I see nothing wrong with it myself, just himself. Others laughed- lighten up, why don’t you?
You are a total loon
You were better off when you weren't saying much. Now you are saying O is the president of death? Good God woman people are not murdering children.
Picture of Sarah Palin in March 2008 sm
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/v-gallery/story/345168.html?/news/alas...
Sure looks great for 8 months along!
factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html:
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
US 3 hrs away from economic and political collapse in Sept. 2008
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/9/234340/6189/142/695504
Yes, it is from 2007 and says the same as those from 2008 - where is a link showing bankrupt?
I cannot find anything like that.
Disagree. Total lunatic is on the
Eric Rudolph to clinic workers.
THAT'S a total lunatic.
Your problem with gt is that she's decided to communicate in true conservative style that she must have learned on the other board. She's trying to point out to them how they come across, which they routinely deny doing.
Not very pleasant, is it?
Total lack of compassion
I wanted to like this woman, and I did for approximately the first 48 hours after she was named as Sen. McCain's running mate. Then I heard from a close friend whose sister teaches high school Spanish in the small Alaskan town SP was mayor of. SP's son, the one who is about to be deployed overseas, was her student a few years ago and allegedly not a high-achieving one. My friend's sister said he was disrespectful and acted like he thought he was better than everyone else, and when it came time for the parent-teacher conference SP blamed his failing grades on her.
Okay, so this is one person's biased description and I didn't pay a lot of attention to it, but THEN I discovered her history regarding wildlife, ecology and "hunting," and I have to tell you this is a deal breaker for me.
What is so incredible to me is that she appears extremely caring and passionate regarding issues related to motherhood, family, child welfare and the right to life, yet she is completely void of emotion or sensitivity towards "lesser" forms of life. I don't care that she's a lifetime member of the NRA or even that she's a hunter, but she has a frightening and callous history in terms of wielding her legal power to exploit, maim and destroy wildlife and their natural habitats.
I'm so disgusted and disillusioned by all the political BS and hype coming from every direction that I can honestly say I don't plan to vote in the coming election.
40% of TOTAL US population (i.e., most of mid class)
Folks, this is the sum total of every SINGLE person (not family income) whose income is less than $57,490. Again, if this describes your economic class, ask yourself, does 40% of all work force (those persons who earn under this income figure) do less than 1% or more than 1% of the work. People, this is a question of fair pay for work performed. MTs battle cry. Is this okay with you?
That Rachel person comes across as a total
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Really, your total ignorance floors me. sm
Wow, I guess my son at 2 years old "decided" to be gay. What idiots people are to think that someone would knowingly choose to make their own lives he11 for the sake of "sexual" choice. Wake up -- I would only hope that if someone in your family that were gay would not be subjected to your obvious hatred and disgust for something they have no control over. Put down those rattlesnakes you're handling and go get some real education!!
You're overlooking a race more important than 2008 election.
It's called the human race. Why don't you come on in from right field long enough to renew your membership? Sheesh.
Media Research Center's Best Notable Quotables of 2008...
http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2008/press20081222.asp
ALEXANDRIA, VA. --- The Media Research Center today announced its Best Notable Quotables of 2008: The 21st Annual Awards for the Year’s Worst Reporting, and MSNBC’s Chris Matthews “won” the dubious honor of Quote of the Year for gushing over a Barack Obama speech back in February: “I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often….And that is an objective assessment.”
Top runner-up for Quote of the Year went to Reuters for this ridiculous post-election headline: “Media bias largely unseen in U.S. presidential race.”
MRC President Brent Bozell: “Year after year, the liberal media outdo themselves in providing conservatives the sheer joy of laughing at their own words. The year of the Obama Paparazzi was no different, as they salivated over their savior and did everything in their power to crush conservatives. And we wonder why Americans don’t trust the media.”
This year’s winners were selected by a panel of 44 judges, consisting of radio talk show hosts, magazine editors, columnists, editorial writers, and media observers. Judges this year include columnist Cal Thomas, radio host Neal Boortz, economist Walter Williams, American Spectator Editor R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr., and former National Review publisher William A. Rusher. To read all the award-winning quotes, along with audio and video clips of the broadcast quotes, please visit www.MRC.org.
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MRC’s 2008 AWARDS:
The Obamagasm Award
"Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope." — Time’s Nancy Gibbs in the November 17 cover story.
Half-Baked Alaska Award for Pummeling Palin
"The fact of the matter is, the comparison between her [Sarah Palin] and Hillary Clinton is the comparison between an igloo and the Empire State Building!" — MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Hardball, October 14.
The Irrelevant Reverend Wright Award
"To see his [Jeremiah Wright’s] career completely destroyed by three 20-second soundbites, all of the work he has done, his entire legacy gone down the drain, has been absolutely devastating to me — to him, sorry....We are still a racist country." — Washington Post writer Sally Quinn on PBS’s Charlie Rose, April 30.
From Camelot to Obamalot Award
"Today, the audacity of hope had its rendezvous with destiny....Obama is now an adopted son of Camelot. His candidacy blessed not just by the Lion of the Senate, patriarch of the clan, but by JFK’s daughter." — David Wright on ABC’s Nightline January 28.
The Crush Rush Award for Loathing Limbaugh
Author/humorist P.J. O’Rourke: "It’s the twilight of the radio loud-mouth, you know? I knew it from the moment the fat guy [Rush Limbaugh] refused to share his drugs...."
Host Bill Maher: "You mean the OxyContin that he was on?...Why couldn’t he have croaked from it instead of Heath Ledger?" — HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, February 8.
Politics of Meaninglessness Award for the Silliest Analysis
"Not doing it [fighting global warming] will be catastrophic. We’ll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years, and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals." — CNN founder Ted Turner on PBS’s Charlie Rose, April 1.
Madness of King George Award
"When somebody asks you, sir, about the cooked books and faked threats you foisted on a sincere and frightened nation; when somebody asks you, sir, about your gallant, noble, self-abnegating sacrifice of your golf game so as to soothe the families of the war dead; this advice, Mr. Bush: Shut the h@!! up! Good night and good luck." — MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann in a "Special Comment" on Countdown, May 14.
Barbra Streisand Political IQ Award for Celebrity Vapidity
"If you have a few hundred followers, and you let some of them molest children, they call you a cult leader. If you have a billion, they call you ‘Pope.’ It’s like, if you can’t pay your mortgage, you’re a deadbeat. But if you can’t pay a million mortgages, you’re Bear Stearns and we bail you out. And that is who the Catholic Church is: the Bear Stearns of organized pedophilia." — Bill Maher on HBO’s Real Time, April 11.
Admitting the Obvious Award
“When NBC News first assigned me to the Barack Obama campaign, I must confess my knees quaked a bit....I wondered if I was up to the job. I wondered if I could do the campaign justice.”
— NBC reporter Lee Cowan in an article for NBC’s “The Peacock” advertising supplement, March 23-29.
Other 2008 Award Categories:
• The "Pay Up You Patriots" Award
• D%$N Those Conservatives Award
• Let Us Fluff Your Pillow Award for Soft & Cuddly Interviews
• Media Hero Award
• The Great Goracle Award
• Good Morning Morons Award
• The John Murtha Award for Painting America as Racist
• MSNBC = Maudlin Sycophantic Nutty Blathering Chris Award
None. But I have not killed any either. sm.
with an organization who facilitates adoptions and alternative choices to abortion. Many girls have decided to not abort and keep their child when they have a support system and don't feel so alone. It is important work. I do put my money where my mouth is. Sometimes the easy fix is not the best fix. Why not go to the net and Google children of rape or children of incest or read some of the positive stories for people who chose life for the child. In the grand scheme of things, what is nine months of pregnancy for an entire lifetime of another person? To the tune of almost 2 million a year? If we can help ONE girl choose not to kill her baby I consider that a victory.
They killed themselves!
Good grief! Is there anything else that hurts your feelings? Just let us know so we can walk on eggshells for you. 
And that 's not the total number either because it keeps rising. They just can't stay away.
I think it's hysterical. 
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