Electoral college - Do we need it for a fair election? sm
Posted By: Democrat on 2006-06-18
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Some states are talking about getting rid of the electoral college. Critics think this will lead to candidates pandering to urban areas to get the most votes.
Off the top, it sounds like a good idea to me because I'm in Alabama and if I could vote 100 times the republican party still would win our punny 3 electoral votes because we are overall a conservative state. Given that it seems like my vote doesn't count. However, I realize the electoral college was set up to avoid regional preferences.
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Electoral College........
If you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't even have kicked your point down by saying anything about the electoral collge. The electoral college really is illegal and unconstitutional and there is no place for it in this country. It is mainly far left liberals who only look at for themselvs and could care less about the country as a whole. What a joke!!
the electoral college
I don't really know what people would want but I do know that the final decision on presidency rests with the electoral college, which vote will not take place until december 15th. The whole issue is designed to influence the votes of the electors so all remains to be seen after the SC today and the electoral vote on 12/15.
Electoral college.... sm
What do you think will happen on December 15 when the electoral college convenes?
Do you think that Obama has succeeded in changing the color of the electoral college permanently or at least for this election? Do you think the electors will stand by their votes or do you think some who changed over might revert back?
electoral college?
Honestly, this 'electoral college' always confuses me and I believe I am not alone in this.
Could you be so kind and explain?
Always open to learn something.
Thanks
I agree with doing away with the electoral college....
it would certainly level the playing field and not give the bulk of the votes to the population centers. One only has to look at red states vs blue states to figure that one out.
Global Electoral College...s/m
This was already posted earlier, but I want to repeat it:
Would the whole world have voted, only
3 (three) ! countries are leaning towards McCain
Iraq
Democratic Republic of Congo
Algeria   
The electoral college is Article II, Section 1
Joke's on you.
Link: www.Global Electoral College.com.......nm
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Fair enough....notice especially the word FAIR. nm
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I will say again, I do not believe the electoral
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Electoral map seems to be saying something quite different.
http://election.princeton.edu/electoral-college-map/
Quite the eye-opener.
fair and balanced . . . fair and
balanced . . . we're looking out for YOU . . . we're looking out for the FOLKs . . . fair and balanced . . .
whats fair is fair
Truth is, what is good for one is good for the other. If Palin puts herself out there, she is a target. But then so is Obama. The problem is that when you say anything about O people go crazy. When someone says something about Palin, its just true.
Chek out THIS electoral map.
http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents
Agreed. That electoral map is lookin'
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Check out the global electoral map yet?
Not cocky in the slightest. Will be working up until the last minute of the last day and when the time comes, will par-TEEEEE 'til the sun comes up.
by electoral votes - it is most definitely a landslide!
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you do know the electoral vote has not occurred??
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Steady polls, electoral map, environment,
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When I was in college
I was very liberal - led rallies for Dukakis, made phone calls, passed out bumper stickers, etc. My dad, who is very conservative, called me out on my liberal views one day with this story.
"A girl with very liberal political views came home from college to visit her parents, who were very conservative. She started to discuss politics with her father, even though they always disagreed. Her dad, deciding to change the subject, asked her how she was doing in school. She replied that she was doing great and carrying a 4.0 gpa, but she didn't have much time to socialize because she was studying so much. The dad then asked how her friend from high school was doing. The daughter replied that her friend wasn't doing very well - she went to parties all the time, never studied and hardly ever went to class. She was carrying a 3.5 gpa. The dad said that maybe she could go to the Dean of the college and ask him to give her friend 0.5 points of her gpa - that way, they would both have a 3.5 gpa and they would be equal. The daughter was very upset by this suggestion, as she had worked very hard and given up a lot in order to have such good grades and that it would not be fair for her to give her friend her points when she had done nothing to earn them. Her father just smiled and said "Welcome to the Republican party."
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Getting rid of the electorial college....sm
or at least rewriting it is one of Obama's plans for his presidency. Perhaps his brilliant idea to beef up the registered voters in electorial-rich states will be his research market study to sell the idea to Congress and to the American people.
I don't think the electorial college is the ideal method of determining presidency as it stands now, but I am not sure what the answer needs to be. Popular vote would probably net the same results, a few more densly populous states determining the outcome of the presidency, but it does seem more representative of what the people want than some calculated system such as the electorial college.
Youths in College
"Youths in college" are busy trying to figure out how they're gonna pay for their textbooks and keep their grades high enough to stay in school next semester. And get drunk on Saturday night. What "youths" do YOU know who are Young Democratic Socialists, for crying out loud?
And yes, I do like to argue.
Are you asking if college students...(sm)
should be allowed to vote or if democratic socialists should be allowed to vote?
Went all the way, school, college degree
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college educated voter in the
suburb up the road says farmer is an ignorant redneck who does not check facts.
Then maybe that college educated voter......... sm
might like to test that theory by working a season or two in the redneck farmer's fields.
I live in an area where there are a lot of immigrant workers. The truth of the matter is that farmers really cannot afford to pay a wage high enough to be able to afford even a modest apartment, let alone buy food and pay utilities. I live right down the road from a poultry farm which employs a family of Mexican immigrants. The farmer, while making a fairly decent living (at least until Pilgrim's filed bankruptcy) provides a mobile home for the family to live in, pays utilities on said home and also pays the family wages to work on his poultry farm. No doubt this family recieves Medicaid and food stamps as well and the children probably get free lunches at school. It is very hard, if not impossible, to get Americans to work these kinds of jobs. I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, but if legal immigrants will do the job, then why not hire them?
Obama was a lush in college, huh?
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about that free college education
I posted this below but I think it will not get noticed 'cuz it is so far down and I am really wondering about it. My daughter, who graduated law school, has over 100K in student loans for her education. She is working hard to pay that back. What happens to those? She is killing herself to pay back while the next guy gets for free? I don't think so. Will Obama also forgive those loans? If not, I would expect greater default than we now see. And I would certainly expect to see a lot of professionals, the people with those big loans, protesting this deal big time. Just wondering if anyone else has any input there. I know people spent up to 20 years paying off those loans, and I would certainly resent spending 20 years paying off something that everyone is getting for free. That 100K applied to their mortgage would certainly be nice!! Might even allow her to work less hours and be home with the family more.
1st 2 yrs of a community college is already free
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He thanked the college for not canceling out.
The kids stated he has freedom of speech and they were interested in what he had to say, in fact they had a right to hear what he said.
Other's weren't so sure he should be there, but all the inside tickets were sold out but there were a few simulcast tickets left.
I read some of her things from college
as well. That on top of them attending Rev. Wright's church for so long.....well....the bitter black woman with a chip on her shoulder is a perfect description of her, IMO.
Has anyone heard about Michelle's college thesis?
I got an email yesterday talking about Michelle Obama's college thesis. I actually read most of her thesis. I had to click on a couple of links to see the actual copy of the thesis, but I just wondered if anyone else had read this, heard about it, and what they thought on the subject. I know it was stated that Princeton was not to release her thesis until after the election. Not sure who requested that or why, but after reading it I would assume it was her husband's campaign that requested it not be brought out before election and I could see why. I was a little unnerved by her thesis. Just curious what others thought.
I'm in Ohio. It's aimed at college students for O.
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REQUIRED IN ORDER TO GET THE COLLEGE CREDIT! NM
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I'm sorry, but I attended college in upstate NY. 100% of my friends were 100% liberal. sm
Not one of them believed in God. That was the only thing that I can go by.
Half sister ---college student --- left that
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Tests can be thrown, college admissions bought and sold
Since when can IQ be extrapolated from SAT test scores? I'd appreciate a source citation so I can read up on that, unless you are going on those lame IQ test websites that have assigned W, O and Michelle's IQ all at 125. Fact is, brilliant people have been known to score low on SAT for a variety of reasons so that argument is not terribly convincing.
I'm going strictly on such measures as butchery of his native tongue, i.e., inability to form more than monosyllabic 6-word sentences without a teleprompt or cue cards, how challenged he is to complete a whole thought and his dependence on behind-the-scenes heavyweights to engineer his campaigns and run his presidency, just to name a few.
W was denied admission to St. John's Academy (HS) and UT School of Law. This does not happen for no reason. His distinguishing accomplishment at his Dad's alma mater was joining the secret society of the Skull and Bones brotherhood. I'm a firm believer that strings were pulled on his behalf (as they were on so many other occasions) to get him into the ivy league track, unlike Obama, who did it the old-fashioned way (scholastic achievement) when he transferred to Columbia and was ultimately admitted to Harvard, where he graduated magna cum laude.
Bush does have an impressive record of failing at almost everything he every tried to do before (and after) his political career: In abstentia service in the National Guard, bombed election bid for the Texas House of Representatives in 1978, and an oil company that went bust which he left under a cloud of suspicion of insider trading. He did manage to capitalize on his 5-year dalliance with the Texas Rangers baseball team (could't really call what he did there REAL work) just long enough to get good name recognition for his run for gov and make a profitable sale of his shares in the team.
This less than stellar performance was totally eclipsed by the multitude of screw-ups while in office, way too much to get into in the confines of this forum. Bottom line for me is that his behavior and performance is very uninspiring, less than mediocre and not at all suggestive of much in the way of creativity or intellect....in other words, the polar opposite of the O. Hence the statement, IQ is good for the country. The wisdom angle was somebody else's attempt to side-step the issue of W's stupidity.
Also, because we are white middle class and have a house, we are putting kids through college, ever
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being fair?
What is fair when someone talks about aborting a whole race? What has Maher to do with it? I know for a fact if I had said something like Bennett said, I would not have my job or some friends and my family certainly would not be proud of me. OMG, the thought of killing off a whole race to me is pretty serious and I equate it to Hitler wanting to kill off certain types of people. To even try to defend Bennetts words makes me shake my head..Why would anyone want to defend his vile nasty comments? The guy has proven he is a jerk.
That's not fair...sm
I remember at least twice the topic of the Israel/Lebanon coming up, but I'll give you that it has not been discussed a lot.
See my post about WWIII. I also remember posting that I wanted to wait to see how our government reacts.
Fair enough.
Thank you for responding in a respectful manner.
For the record, I felt Kfir's remarks to me were offensive first, and that's why my remarks became nastier. In fact, the remark about Kfir not being representative of most Israelis was in direct response and in the same tone to Kfir's post to me regarding being representative of liberals.
And I don't believe my take on the end times is a fact. It's nothing more than my personal opinion, based on things I read that lead me to feel that way and raise the questions I raised.
I do agree that these issues are very emotionally charged and respect your decision to not discuss them further. Again, thank you for being respectful.
Fair enough, but we need a more immediate
I would be 100% fine with my taxes being raised 3% if it meant healthcare for all American children. Heck, I would be overjoyed with that! So if that bill ever comes up I guarantee you I will support it, but the fact is the current bill is a solution that could help families right now, and I support it. I would support just about any bill that would help lower health insurance costs to American families, honestly. I just truly think this one is great because it is aimed at covering minors. I also think it is great that Republican and Democratic leaders tried to work together and compromise on it and decided to tax cigarettes instead of raising taxes in other areas.
So yes, I would rather have a hike in taxes and have more affordable healthcare for kids. Is that the best solution for lower health care costs for adult Americans? Maybe not, but for the minors with no choice in what kind of family they are born into I think it is a great choice.
DW...that is not fair...
I SAID Democrats then...and I also said the Democratic Congress, because in that, just as in the Iraq War vote, the Congress is responsible, not the rank and file. The rank and file did not have an opportunity to vote on it. I NEVER said that Democratic Party TODAY was responsible for it (they are only responsible for the denial of it, and again, I mean the DNC, the policy makers, not the rank and file), I certainly NEVER said YOU personally were responsible. Why is it, help me understand, that if someone points out something truthful though not pleasant, that the "party" has done, you take it personally like I am saying it is you personally? This was a post entirely about the "party."
I guess the most startling thing about this whole thing is that if anything is said about the "party" it is taken personally. If I were in the party I would certainly be concerned that the "party" was in a state of denial about it, were actually lying about it on their website (because it is politically inexpedient for everyone to remember the past), I think THAT would offend me just as much. But...that is just me.
Suffice it to say, DW...if you choose to take a post about the Democratic Party, the voting, policy-making COngressional Democratic party at that time, personally, there is nothing I can do about that. It was not meant to be taken personally. However, I repeat...if you are going to be angry, be angry at those who did it and those who continue to lie and deny. Don't blame someone who posted the truth. And please, don't put words in my mouth. I never called Democrats baby killers. I have never called anyone a baby killer. And I certainly have not called anyone here a racist. There are certainly racists in this world, but nothing anyone has said here would make me think they are racist.
All that being said...all politics aside, all party stuff, all that crap...from one American to another...I hope you have a happy, blessed Thanksgiving Day and I hope you have plenty of family and friends around you to enjoy it with you.
Good evening!
Fair enough
point well taken. Sorry I offended you, I just get a little upset when people try and link (not that YOU were trying to link, but other posters have) trying to link any candidate running for president to a known criminal and horrible horrible person. I've heard people link Bush and Saddam together and I've been on the defensive about that.
Sorry again I offended you, I just don't like hearing the two being linked to each other.
Let's be fair now
If you repeat a slogan like "Change we can believe in" enough times you will believe him and his socialist beliefs.
If you think that is fair, well okay. I think it is
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The only one fit for the job of being fair
was Tim Russert. SOOO missing him now. Rest in peace Tim, although I know you are briefing everyone in Heaven lol.
I don't think that is entirely fair....
I think President Bush did a wonderful job after 9-11. I think he was the President we needed then. I still credit him with holding this country together. I think he has it right on terrorism. I have a lot of problems with things he has done and things he has not done...but on 9-11 and terrorism, I think he was the right man.
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