Drew the sophomoric slander straight from you....your own words....

• I have a BIG problem having a beauty queen as VP! - CG
  • beauty queen - weepaws
    • sounds like jealousy - dee
      • exactly what all these catty little - Thank you! That is
    • B-U-tiful....and smart, too! - It's what's-her-name's positions, not rat
  • Former Beauty Queens - Peggy
    • Did I say they were dumb? - CG
  • I seriously do not see how that - Chele
    • CG, me, Hillary's angered base, feminists, - Real women with half a brain...sm
      • Meowwwwwww aren't YOUR claws showing.... - sam
        • Declawed here, but your sophmoric slander - is coming in loud and clear.
          • Drew the sophomoric slander straight from you....your own words.... - sam
            • Tit for tat is infantile and not my style. - Nothing of interest here.
              • Another drive-by potshot over the bow...also infantile...but definitely, it appears... - sam
      • What on God's green earth makes - Chele
        • yea sista - you tell them - great post - me
          • Still trying to make this about beauty - Instead of brains? No wonder you like her so much
            • Palin does have brains. - Chele
              • you hit it right on track again - what is the poster's point. - me
        • Ummm...my analogy refers to - with you tonight. see message
          • I would see how a - Chele
            • I'm taking my response to a new thread - At the top. nm
          • Make that "my analogy refers to - Brains, not body. see above post nm
        • Great post, Chele... totally agree.nm - Independent
          • Another who misses the point. - nm
            • oh, good comeback. What is the point - that we are missing?! nm
              • New thread above. - nm
    • All I can say to that is... lol (nm) - Go McCain and Palin
      • Me Too -Go McCain and Palin! - (at least have a REAL reason to dislike her first)
      • Don't need your lol. - We'll find our strength in numbers. nm

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Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
   
2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
   
3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
   
4. Damage to the plaintiff.

A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true

Example:  A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.

I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.

The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.

If Bush changes his mind it's flip-flopping but if a Democrat and/or liberal does it he/she's just exercising his right to change their mind.

I just love pointing out blatant double standards which their seems to be a lot of in the liberal ideology.

What you fail to realize is that what is going on Washington right now is politics as usual on both sides.  Both sides are playing the game to some extent.  The liberals are just realllly bad at it.

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic,
different."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers,  a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barrack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first
black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive
that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law
professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with more
than 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of  13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the
Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs
committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl,  4 years on the city council
and 6 years as the mayor of a town with fewer than 7,000 people, 20 months as
the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to
become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2
beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real
Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your
disabled wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the
proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other
option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen
daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a
prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community,
then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude," with at least one DWI conviction
and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once
 was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the
USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, got it! It is sooo much clearer now

I'm a McCain supporter in this election and I will be voting for him.  Having said that, I don't think either candidates are perfect and I'm not sure McCain's economics plans will actually benefit this country right away, but I do know that Obama's economic plan will make our situation worse.  That is the main reason I'm not voting for him.  Taxing companies more will lose jobs...not create them.  Raising taxes during an economic crisis leads to worse economic crisis....just look at what Hoover did.  He raised taxes during a recession and it started the Great Depression.  FDR started several goverment assisted programs to help and they actually extended the duration of the great depression.  Obama wants to raise taxes and wants to institute new government assisted programs.

As for the allegations of him being born outside of the country....who knows.  He claims he was born in Hawaii and if that is the case, show your birth certificate and be done with it.  If you have nothing to hide, show it.  Ya know.  I feel that there have been many things that Obama has not been outright and honest about.  If any other politician had the associations and the history as Obama has had.....their political career would be in the gutter.  I do not understand this love affair the media has with Obama.

I do not trust Obama and let me reiterate that this is not a race thing.  I don't think John McCain is a saint and I do know that all politicians lie to get elected but I just feel like John McCain has served this country all of his life and I would feel more comfortable with him in the oval office than a man we hardly know, who won't answer questions honestly about himself or his associations, and has very little experience. 

into poverty, but you don't want the money it takes to care for these children to come out of your pocket????  Am I on the mark? 

I guess this is another so-called way to sling mud at Obama.  The rich republicans can't have it both ways.  You either care for the unborn (welfare for their mothers) or you allow the mother the choice...  Which is it?

Not all abortions are a form of birth control, ya' know.  I knew a very religious lady that aborted her child due to hydrocephalus.  The child would been born deformed/a vegetable.  This would have put this lady at high risk.  She prayed about it and soon after aborted the child.  She had to live with that. 

Not all situations are the same.  Furthermore, you can't force your child to have a baby or to have an abortion.  Either way, it's her body.

If the cartoon doesn't offend me, I am racist. If I didn't vote for Obama, I am racist. If I am not up in arms about something as silly as a political cartoon, I am racist. I have never dated or been married to a black man, does that make me racist? There are no black people who live in my community (it is very small), does that make us all racists? I do have several black friends, do I get a free pass for that? I go to movies that feature black actors, is that okay? I like to listen to the Motown channel on Sirius radio, is that okay? Oh, I like Whoopi Goldberg, Halle Berry, and I even think Michelle Obama is fairly attractive, do I get a free pass for that too? Oh, but I don't like Oprah, so that makes me a racist, right?

This argument is old as the hills and will never go away. To each his own, don't obsess about it.

You think I'm a hypocrit because you knew a flamboyant homosexual when you were growing up?  That almost made sense....

Tell me, if you meet a homosexual and you don't approve of his/her mannerisms, does that give you the right to attack him?  What happens if someone doesn't approve of your mannerisms?

you choose to start a grammar war, hurl personal insults, get thoroughly defeated by practically everyone on this board, then go crying to the moderator?  We have a couple of American sayings (maybe Midwestern, you would be the expert on that, I suppose):

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

FYI, if you are transcribing for American accounts, you really should be familiar with the vernacular.  Doctors often use slang in direct quotes and typing ''criminal'' for criminetly would make you look quite silly.

That's one step in the right direction. I hope he doesn't mean CREATE some facts.  

If this is true though, it is cheap for the US to be involved with this company.  Same thing though with the United Arab Emirites and their child camel jockeys (see link).  

continued slamming of the President and this country.  Ask yourself what you're really gaining by doing so.  My political affiliation has NO bearing on this whatsoever.  I expect people to behave appropriately on all forums.  ForuMatrix is a website that is open to the entire world, not just the US and I am ashamed of some of what I read knowing that people in other countries are reading it too.  Don't think for a minute that I am only pointing out the Liberal board. Far from it.  I've had to come down on some posters on the Conservatives board, too.  So, what this all comes down to is that respectful posting will be adhered to or I won't allow posting.  We need to go back to old fashioned VALUES, if we think that way then the words we write won't be as cutting.  You may not agree with me and that is your prerogative and I am not trying to censor you, rather I would prefer that you and others post in kind and with respect.

Those who cannot afford any insurance at all will get "Cadillac" plans (that's what fed employees receive) underwritten by the rest of us?!  Meanwhile we continue to pay out the nose for our crappy policies, which will be less than the "Cadillac" plans, while we are paying for the ne'er do wells' "Cadillac" coverage?

That's not the kind of "change" most of us want, although I can certainly see why the recipients of this "handout" would think it's a great deal!!!

At least somebody is honest. If you Google something like that, you'd get all kinds of info that conflicts with the others. Nice of you to do this.

Obama said he would withdraw troops from IRAQ and add troops to AFGHANISTAN.  Those would be 2 different wars.  We aren't at war with "the middle east."

Obama said he would not punish his daughters if they made a mistake with "a baby".  He did not say a pregnancy, or a fetus.  I heard him say that. 

Also he voted to allow babies that survived an abortion to be left to die, not given any assistance after they were born alive. 

These are the facts.