Do you think these guys would be crying for John Kerry's daughters to go if he had won?

• Hey, Bush, sign your daughters up for Iraq, such a *noble* cause - gt
  • I can't believe anyone actually compiled this information. - nt
  • Thanks, GT. - American Woman
  • Thank you, gt, interesting post - Observer
  • Going off the deep end, gt, getting even more bizarre as time goes by. nm - sm
    • Bush tell your daughters they are needed in Iraq for a *noble* cause - gt
      • OK then why didn't Clinton send Chelsea - Turn about
        • Do you think these guys would be crying for John Kerry's daughters to go if he had won? - nt
          • I actually agree with you, I don't think the president's children should - Democrat
            • They are not children. They are grown women. - nt
              • They are his children, grown or not. sm - Democrat
                • You have no way of knowing that. I wouldn't even make that guess. nm - sm
                  • Good don't guess. It's my guess though.nm - Democrat
        • Cindy isn't interested in helping the victims down there. She's just mad they are stealing - nt
          • Freeze...step away from the Kool-Aid. nm - Democrat
          • So now it is Cindy, not Bush who put the troops in danger. - Democrat
            • You might want to read the letter on the other board. - nt
              • They were in danger before Cindy even thought - Democrat
                • The father of the Marine daughter also said the same thing. sm - sm
      • Oh whatever, gt, you are full of it. nm - sm
        • It's not your right to bash her - this is the liberal board - Getting even sicker
          • It's okay for gt to wish people to burn in hell, THAT'S okay, but THIS is bashing. sm - So?
            • Whinners???? And how many times have we heard yall's complaints - Democrat
  • No parent can sign up their "child", none of which are "children" anymore BTW. - New argument please. nm
    • what about the noble war? - but but
      • So you are actually saying that children are not autonomous. sm - sm
  • This is a ridiculous suggestion - Reality Check
    • of course not - huh
      • Why won't you debate the issue - Reality check
      • What planet do you guys come from? - Reality Check
        • Shock? - American Woman
          • You are completely unhinged - Reality check
            • You have done nothing but attack - American Woman
              • I have many times tried to encourage debate - Reality check
                • No, dear, I understand fully what reality is. - American Woman
                  • No, I refuse to try and debate you anymore - Reality check
            • Oh and about the fingers - Reality check
              • Thank you for proving my point. - American Woman
                • Okay if you weren't shooting me the bird - Reality check
                  • I was trying to illustrate that you REFUSE to see what's in front of your face, that you must twi - American Woman
                    • At least have the cajones to admit when you do something. - nt
                      • A racial post shooting the finger. Must be a conservative thing. Point this out. - Democrat
                  • Uh oh, high and mighty might be construed as a Christian term. Don't make her mad. sm - sm
              • All the while telling us how hateful WE are. Totally clueless. nm - sm
        • posting politics - too funny
          • Yet still you want Bush's daughters to go to war. sm - sm
            • And you read this "where" in the post. Not gettin it. - Democrat

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...and my response.  (Warning:  It's lengthy.)

This is our moment of truth. You and I have to make it absolutely clear that we won't stand for Republican Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.

Yesterday, an extraordinary congressman, former Marine Drill Sergeant and decorated Vietnam veteran, spoke out on the war in Iraq. He didn't come to that moment lightly. He spoke his mind and spoke his heart out of love for his country and support for our troops. No sooner had the words left his lips than the vicious assault on his character and patriotism began.

Today, in a statement on the Senate floor, in interviews with the national media, and in this message to you, I am seeking out every opportunity to defend a brave American hero that the Republican attack machine has set their sights on.

I urge you to do the same. Whether you agree or disagree with Jack Murtha is irrelevant. These despicable attacks on Jack Murtha's patriotism and courage must be met with an enormous public outcry. Call your local talk radio show, write a letter to the editor, phone your members of Congress - join me in acting now to reject these Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.

It disgusts me that a bunch of guys who have never put on the uniform of their country have aimed their venom at a marine who served America heroically in Vietnam and has been serving heroically in Congress ever since. No matter what J.D. Hayworth says, there is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience.
Dennis Hastert -- the Speaker of the House who never served -- accused Jack Murtha of being a coward. Well let me tell you, Jack Murtha wasn't a coward when he put himself in harm's way for his country in Vietnam and earned two purple hearts -- he was a patriot then, and he is a patriot today. Jack Murtha's courage in combat earned him a Bronze Star, and his voice should be heard, not silenced by those who still today cut and run from the truth.

Instead of letting his cronies run their mouths, the President for once should stop his allies from doing to Jack Murtha what he set them loose to do to John McCain in South Carolina and Max Cleland in Georgia.

The President should finally find the courage to debate the real issue instead of destroying anyone who speaks truth to power as they see it. It's time for Americans to stand up, fight back, and make it clear it's unacceptable to do this to any leader of any party anywhere in our country.

I urge you to join today in a massive public outcry that rejects the attempt to demonize and destroy anyone who dares to disagree with George W. Bush's aimless stay for as long as it takes policy on Iraq.

Please act now. Call and email your elected officials. Flood talk radio with calls rejecting these vicious smear tactics. Send a letter to the editor.

Express your outrage about the tired old Rovian Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.

Sincerely,
John Kerry

MY REPLY:

Dear Senator Kerry:

I absolutely agree with everything you wrote, and I have been posting my views on political message boards, as well as emailing Duncan Hunter, and I've written a four-page letter to Congressman Murtha himself.

Now I must address YOUR response to the attacks on Congressman Murtha.

I thank you for your defense of him; however, I felt it was very, VERY weak. (By the way, please pass this on to Senators Clinton and Reid so they might get a clue into what makes the majority of Americans tick).

For years now, Democrats, including yourself, have openly expressed their opposition to the Iraq war, but you haven't had one single idea to fix the problem, and when asked WHY you voted for it (before you voted against it), you all give some lame, limp, meaningless excuse.

NOW is the time to aggressively defend Congressman Murtha and his plan for leaving Iraq. Bush HAS NO PLAN. MURTHA DOES. It's really quite a simple concept.

Although I'm beginning to lose patience with you all, let's regroup and start over. Today is the first day of the rest of our lives.

I realize that most of you fell down on the job and didn't really scrutinize the Bush intelligence (this term is found in the dictionary under oxymoron and/or just plain old moron).

You were probably busy and didn't have time to read thousands of pages of documents. That's understandable. What's even more understandable is that as President of the United States, there's a preconceived notion that this person is, in fact, ethical and honorable. We now know that is not the case. We now know that he possibly took America to war on the blood of thousands of 9/11 victims simply to insure a successful Presidency. NOW is the time to admit that you, as well as every intelligent, thinking American and the entire WORLD, were FOOLED by this man because he was so blatant and aggressive in his pursuit of this war, it simply never occurred to any of you that you were dealing with a man who planned on attacking Iraq before he was even (s)elected President. (See
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20...went_to_war.php,)

NOW is the time to expose the true character and motives of this prior alcoholic who never received professional help for his addiction. He comes across as a simple man because he IS a simple man, in every sense of the word. His simplicity extends to the largest deficit in American history, and his tactics remind me of a teenager who recklessly maxes out Daddy's credit card because he has no responsibility for the bill, given that Daddy will pay it.

NOW is the time to embrace Congressman Murtha's plan, since it DOES make sense, reflects an actual THOUGHT PROCESS taking place, and is the thing that most Americans want. This man is not some 5-deferment draft dodger or Air National Guard absentee. He's a decorated Purple Heart recipient, who has devoted his entire life to helping the military and veterans.

NOW is the time to reveal an administration who would place the lives of a CIA agent in jeopardy and with everyone who ever worked with her, simply because her husband exposed the TRUTH.

NOW is the time to reveal the administration's press secretary's Plamerizing of John Murtha. NOW is the time to acknowledge that you truly have connected the dots, and the picture of a lying, unethical administration has emerged. If you do this NOW, most forward-thinking Americans will probably forgive you for now just catching up with everything they've known for months.

NOW is the time to publicly condemn Friday's histrionics of the House of Representatives. I, as a taxpayer, resent having to pay for that crap.

Sadly, you've pretty much already proven that you don't have many original ideas. NOW is the time to attach yourselves to John Murtha's coattails and hang on for dear life.

In case you haven't figured this out yet, you're up against an administration who will stop at NOTHING to transform this country into a theoracy, who will brag about the impending freedom for all Iraqis, while simultaneously slowly removing the freedoms of Americans, as his narrow-minded base pursues control over every single American regarding when we're born, who we love, which God we're allowed to worship, and when and how we die.

NOW is the time to expose the evangelical recruitment taking place in the Air Force in Colorado and the accompanying ridicule and persecution of soldiers who have different religious beliefs.

NOW is the time (albeit it four years LATE) to prove you care about the safety of Americans and aggressively pursue the security of our borders so that al Qaeda members cannot come into America from Mexico and KILL US.

Above all else, NOW IS THE TIME to reveal this President as the one who is truly aiding and abetting the enemy by providing them free, complimentary OTJ training in Iraq where they can hone their craft while killing our American soldiers.

NOW is the time to STOP being quiet and milquetoasty and to aggressively pursue this Administration's lies (I know they're numerous, ongoing, and difficult to keep track of) and reveal them for what they truly are.

MOST OF ALL, NOW is the time to honestly express what Congressman Murtha REALLY said when he outlined his plan to leave Iraq. It was a very thoughtful, sensible plan, and the fact that administration henchmen are maliciously mischaracterizing it should be revealed and aggressively FOUGHT.

If you truly foresee a future for your party, NOW is the time to embrace and advertise something the Administration doesn't have: A PLAN for Iraq. Although you might be able to win some elections by simply being the least worst party, is that really the future you envision for the Democratic party?

The ball is in your court. Don't let this one get away.... again.

Americans are losing patience.

Scathing against McCain.  Fabulous speech.  He echoed some of my thoughts on McCain, about how much he has changed to pander to the base and get the nomination.  Here is a snippet:

Candidate McCain now supports the wartime tax cuts that Senator McCain once denounced as immoral. Candidate McCain criticizes Senator McCain’s own climate change bill. Candidate McCain says he would now vote against the immigration bill that Senator McCain wrote. Are you kidding? Talk about being for it before you’re against it.

I'm a left-leaning independent who thought I may vote Republican this time around if McCain ran.  Well, he did, and as time went on I could see how much he has changed his positions to pander to the far right and I have lost most of my respect for him.  I'll give him credit for being a veteran and a POW (a point that while it was once a powerful emotional point for him is now abused by him as an excuse for just about everything is sadly becoming a joke of his own making), but candidate McCain is NOT the same as Senator John McCain.  Anyway, great speech by Sen. Kerry.

Next Tuesday, Barack Obama will be sworn in as our 44th President. On this historic occasion, PARADE asked the President-elect, who is also a devoted family man, to get personal and tell us what he wants for his children. Here, he shares his letter to them.

http://www.parade.com/news/2009/01/barack-obama-letter-to-my-daughters.html

Dear Malia and Sasha,

I know that you've both had a lot of fun these last two years on the campaign trail, going to picnics and parades and state fairs, eating all sorts of junk food your mother and I probably shouldn't have let you have. But I also know that it hasn't always been easy for you and Mom, and that as excited as you both are about that new puppy, it doesn't make up for all the time we've been apart. I know how much I've missed these past two years, and today I want to tell you a little more about why I decided to take our family on this journey.

When I was a young man, I thought life was all about me—about how I'd make my way in the world, become successful, and get the things I want. But then the two of you came into my world with all your curiosity and mischief and those smiles that never fail to fill my heart and light up my day. And suddenly, all my big plans for myself didn't seem so important anymore. I soon found that the greatest joy in my life was the joy I saw in yours. And I realized that my own life wouldn't count for much unless I was able to ensure that you had every opportunity for happiness and fulfillment in yours. In the end, girls, that's why I ran for President: because of what I want for you and for every child in this nation.

I want all our children to go to schools worthy of their potential—schools that challenge them, inspire them, and instill in them a sense of wonder about the world around them. I want them to have the chance to go to college—even if their parents aren't rich. And I want them to get good jobs: jobs that pay well and give them benefits like health care, jobs that let them spend time with their own kids and retire with dignity.

I want us to push the boundaries of discovery so that you'll live to see new technologies and inventions that improve our lives and make our planet cleaner and safer. And I want us to push our own human boundaries to reach beyond the divides of race and region, gender and religion that keep us from seeing the best in each other.

Sometimes we have to send our young men and women into war and other dangerous situations to protect our country—but when we do, I want to make sure that it is only for a very good reason, that we try our best to settle our differences with others peacefully, and that we do everything possible to keep our servicemen and women safe. And I want every child to understand that the blessings these brave Americans fight for are not free—that with the great privilege of being a citizen of this nation comes great responsibility.

 Sasha (l) and Malia Obama at play in New Hampshire in 2007. Bumper cars at the Iowa State Fair in August 2007.That was the lesson your grandmother tried to teach me when I was your age, reading me the opening lines of the Declaration of Independence and telling me about the men and women who marched for equality because they believed those words put to paper two centuries ago should mean something.

She helped me understand that America is great not because it is perfect but because it can always be made better—and that the unfinished work of perfecting our union falls to each of us. It's a charge we pass on to our children, coming closer with each new generation to what we know America should be.

I hope both of you will take up that work, righting the wrongs that you see and working to give others the chances you've had. Not just because you have an obligation to give something back to this country that has given our family so much—although you do have that obligation. But because you have an obligation to yourself. Because it is only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you will realize your true potential.

These are the things I want for you—to grow up in a world with no limits on your dreams and no achievements beyond your reach, and to grow into compassionate, committed women who will help build that world. And I want every child to have the same chances to learn and dream and grow and thrive that you girls have. That's why I've taken our family on this great adventure.

I am so proud of both of you. I love you more than you can ever know. And I am grateful every day for your patience, poise, grace, and humor as we prepare to start our new life together in the White House.

President Bush delivers his speech after being sworn into office for a second term, as Sen. John Kerry looks on, at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Jan. 22, 2005. (AP)

(CBS) If last year’s presidential election were being held today, the results might well be different than the results of a year ago. 41% of registered voters say that if the 2004 election were being held today, they would cast their ballot for Democratic candidate John Kerry, while 36% say they would vote for President George W. Bush. 13% say they would vote for someone else, and 6% wouldn’t vote at all.




IF 2004 ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY…
(Registered Voters)

John Kerry
41%
George W. Bush
36%
Someone else
13%
Not vote
6%

In this poll, 12% of registered voters said they didn’t vote in 2004. Among those who did vote, 45% said they voted for Kerry last year, and 46% said they voted for President Bush. 2% reported voting for Nader, and 7% won’t say for whom they voted.

If the election were held this year, both candidates would retain more than eight in ten of the voters who supported them last year, according to this poll. But President Bush would lose about 3% of those who said they voted for him last year to his Democratic opponent. And although none of those who supported Kerry last year would now vote for Bush, 13% say they would support another candidate. But among voters who either didn’t vote in 2004 or voted for another candidate, or refused to say for whom they voted, Kerry leads Bush by 34% to 11%.

IF 2004 ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY…
(Registered Voters)

In 2004, voted for: Kerry
John Kerry
81%
George W. Bush
-
Someone else
13%
Not vote
4%

In 2004, voted for: Bush
John Kerry
3%
George W. Bush
84%
Someone else
7%
Not vote
3%

In 2004, voted for: Other/didn't vote
John Kerry
34%
George W. Bush
11%
Someone else
23%
Not vote
16%



For detailed information on how CBS News conducts public opinion surveys, click here.

This poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 936 adults, including 828 registered voters, interviewed by telephone October 30-November 1, 2005. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample and the sample of registered voters could be plus or minus three percentage points.

Like George did, the new generation of Bushes let other Americans do the dying for them.

Bush has derided the mothers and fathers of our nation's war dead for not wanting any more young American men and women to die in Iraq. We owe them [the already killed and wounded soldiers] something, he told veterans in Salt Lake City (even though his administration tried to shortchange the veterans agency by $1.5 billion, according to Maureen Dowd). We will finish the task that they gave their lives for.

BUSH EXTENDED FAMILY PHOTO taken January 20, 2005

Yet, not one -- not one -- of any of Bush's children or his nieces and nephews have volunteered for service in any branch of the military or volunteered to serve in any capacity in Iraq. Not one of them has felt the cause was noble enough to put his or her life on the line.

Here is the full list of the children of Bush and his siblings who have chosen to let other young men and women -- mostly poor, rural and minorities -- die for them, because they have no desire to die for George W. Bush's alleged noble cause (assuming an eligible age of 17 with parental consent to join the military):

Military Service Eligible Children of George W. Bush
Jenna Bush
Barbara Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Jeb Bush
George P. Bush
Noelle Bush
John Ellis Bush Jr.

Military Service Eligible Children of Neil Bush
Lauren Bush
Pierce Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Marvin Bush
Marshall Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Dorothy Bush Koch
Samuel LeBlond
Ellie LeBlond

Here is the complete chart:

Click image for full size

Furthermore, not one of George's siblings served in the military when they were eligible, and Bush got a cozy stateside position in the Texas Air National Guard to avoid risking his life in another noble war, Vietnam.

Why do George W. Bush, his siblings, and their children think that the war is noble enough for kids like Casey Sheehan to die in, but not them?

Sign this petition, demanding that the Bush sibling children serve in George's noble war or he must bring the troops home now. Because if it's not noble enough for the Bush family to risk their lives fighting for, it's just a disastrous graveyard for poor and middle class Americans, dug deep to advance Bush's partisan agenda.

Bush can be brave with other people's children, because he has nothing personally to risk.

I don't know how to post a link in this forum, no link is here. 

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/72

it's a FAMILY.  There are two little girls who were promised a puppy a long time ago by their parents -- win or lose -- after the election to reward them for tolerating the rigors of the campaign for such a long time.

One of the daughters is allergic, so that limits the breeds from which they can choose, and he said their first preference was to get a shelter dog, "a mutt like me," but because of the allergy, they might not be able to do that.

They're a normal family, and I think they're a beautiful family.  Why would any other family in the United States give a pet to their children?  Hopefully, the puppy's personality will match President-Elect Obama's and be even tempered and friendly, as opposed to the current White House canine that, unfortunately, reflects its owner's personality and bit a reporter the other day.

I personally believe this man has the capacity to be the best President in United States history.  All he needs is a chance, but when people get so petty as to criticize his decision to give his daughters a PUPPY, then it's clear that some people simply won't ever give him a chance, and that's so, so sad. 

about how dare CA take away the rights they had given to gay people and how it shouldn't have been voted on and blah blah blah.  You even brought up women's right to vote and how about we overturn that....blah blah blah.  Now you want to take away the benefits that marriage has always had just because gay people want everything equal.  I do believe that you were one of the ones that said it wasn't fair for gays to have to settle for civil unions and how dare I suggest such a thing. 

Honestly....I'd agree to this just to shut you people up because I'm so sick to death of hearing about gay rights and poor gay people.....blah blah blah.  Once again....I guess the Bible thumpers that you hate so much will do the compromising and once again give up something of ours to make you happy.  Feel better now?

Just want to get this clear.

ABC's Jan Crawford Greenburg reports: It wasn't until Sunday night that John McCain, after meeting with his four top advisers, finally decided he could not tap independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut to be his running mate. One adviser, tasked with taking the temperature of the conservative base, had strongly made the case to McCain that it would be a disaster for the party and that the base would revolt. McCain concluded he could not go that route.

I could feel a little sorry for him if he were not so mean and willing to do anything to win.  For pete sake, he is 72 years old.  he has few years left.  He has a lovely family and many great homes.  Whey does he not enjoy his final years getting to know his children?  He was in Washington and only went home on the weekends.  Sometimes we just have to realize that we are not going to achieve a dream.  I have accepted I will never be a naturally thin person. It took 30 years, but I know it now.  He has been honored for his service and had many years in Washington. he is putting so much wear and tear on his aging body with the physical demands of campaigning.  He is doing damage to his cardiovascular system with the seething anger and contempt.  If my grandfather at age 72 decided to run for mayor, I would say come on grandpa, that is ridiculous.. 

At 72 he still has quite a few years left, God willing.  AND, he has more experience than Obama will ever have.  He knows more about foreign policy, war, economy, everything than Obama will ever know.  Obama with 143 days experience?  He can't even talk without a teleprompter.

   You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
 
    You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of  experience of being a surgeon.
 
   You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
 
    You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
 
   You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience. 

Finally spoke up for the American people.  Only time will tell if it was soon enough.  I hope it was.  You showed us all that you care about us.  You showed us you don't believe in socialism (redistribution of wealth).  You validated our beliefs that you will fight for what is right for all Americans.  You pointed out Obama's unfortunate beliefs and the people he associates with, the health care system he plans to socialize, the increased taxes, the slick lawyer talk.  You reminded us that Biden was wrong in a lot of his votes and that most of the time Obama didn't even vote (called present).  You showed us that despite the many socialist liberals in the country Obama is not the right person for the job. 

I don't care what you look like John.  I don't care that you can't "slick talk" us all.  I don't care that you don't have a full head of hair and that you can't lift your arms above your head.  I don't care that you can't play basketball well and look impeccable in a suit.  What I do care about are your policies and your beliefs and how that will affect my life.  So you may not be the prettiest of the bunch, but I know that a lot of people who say they don't care that Obama is a black man and continue to point out that they are not racists, are the same bunch that will point out that your not nice looking like Obama is.

So knowing that you have the American people's best interest at heart, and you care more about the people than your campaign.  You fight to the end (and so does your running mate) for us because you believe it is the right thing to do.

That is why I am voting for you.

*Voted to eliminate overtime pay for 8 million American workers

*Voted to allow companies to cut and eliminate pensions for their long-term employees.

*Voted to weaken OSHA and workplace regulations designed to prevent injuries on the job.

* Voted against the Employee Free Choice Act (H.R.800) 6/26/07.

*Voted for a National-Right-To-Work (for less) Act (S.1788) 7/10/96

*Voted to allow employers to hire permanent replacements during a strike (S.55) 7/13/94.

*Voted against granting collective bargaining rights for state and local police andfirefighters (H.R. 3061) 11/6/01.

*Voted against granting collective b argaining rights for TSA screeners (S.4) 3/7/07.

*Keating-5:  Federal regulators wanted to seize control of the failed Lincoln Savings & Loan Association but McCain intervented to try to prevent that from happening.

*McCain claims he paid for the Keating for the flights to his private home in the Bahamas, but he conveniently could not produce the receipts.  Keating donated $112,000 to McCain's campaigns for the House and then the Senate.

*His current campaign for president is essentially run by lobbyists with close ties to big oil companies, Fannie Mae, UBS and Blackwater.  FedEx Corp, founder and CEO, Fred Smith is a close friend who Mccain views as a perfect candidate for U.S. Secretary of Defense.

*McCain voted to give tax breaks to companies that send American jobs overseas.  He voted against overtime pay, against Davis-Bacon protections and against extending unemployment insurance.

* "I-the fact is that I'm different but the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed," McCain said on Meet the Press onJune 15, 2005. "And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement nad support of President Bush."

*McCain mirrors Bush in another important way:  his indifference to the plight of Americans who fall victim to disaster.  He voted twice against creating a commission to investigate the botched response to Hurricane Katrina--and later he said he voted for every investigation into Katrina's aftermath.

*McCain is the staunchest advocate fo free trade in the U.S. Senate.  He voted for every disastrous free-trade agreement since NAFTA.  He strongly supports a trade deal with Colombia.  He's a leader in the effort to open the border to dangerous trucks from Mexico.

Just a note about Palin's Wasilla Police Department.  Their employees voted 29-9 to join the Teamsters Local 959 by a vote of 29-9.  The election was recently certified.

....................

How any serious middle class American worker can vote for this man is beyond me.