Discussing ideas is antagonistic?
Posted By: my 2 cents on 2006-03-10
In Reply to: What do you expect? You just come to antagonize not discuss. - ???
I, personally, have been very respectful. If discussing ideas and having a dialogue with someone is antagonistic to you then I'm afraid you're in for a very difficult road in life.
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YES we should be discussing this
We should discuss it until it is resolved. It has not been resolved yet as you can see. This is one of the major headlines in the U.S. Has the "possible" next President met the qualifications. There are lots of headlines going on around the world (India being the biggest right now), but here in this country American's are still waiting for answers. Yes we should be discussing and questioning until an answer has been given. Not by left-wing agencies like factcheck, MSNBC, CNN, etc but by the Supreme Court.
Next, if you don't know where my sources came from why are you calling them right-wing. One of them is NBC and that is "left-wing". Additionally I don't need to site sources because first, I'm not posting the articles. I'm posting headlines I read on the internet. This "post your sources" is getting way out of hand. In the past conservatives and independents have posted their opinions before and were told to give their sources. Tell me that makes sense?????? Do your own research. And second, if I did post sources, you have shown by your statement you are already going to say they are not credible. Anything that doesn't favor and drools over the O you and other dems will say it's not credible, so no need to site them. Look them up yourself. Might do some good to get a different opinion than the left-wing sites. If you think I made up these headlines, pulleese. If I could only write so well I'd be rich.
And what I don't find entertaining in this "left-wing" blog is the starry-eyed O followers cutting down every single thing out there. We on this page do not make this stuff up. This is coming from thousands and thousands of Americans all across the country (at least 100,000 for sure). The facts are that the supreme court will be deciding if he meets the qualifications. We will wait til then. So until then I don't find the lovefest for Obama amusing. And if you don't want to read people's differences of opinions I would suggest not coming here.
The people who are not interested in the truth are the ones who are afraid of the truth. The left-wing dems who try to cut down those with different opinions and call them all these names. Never once questioning anything. Just following the pack (I believe they are referred to as Sheople).
You said you "addressed this issue during the campaign.". My answer to that is "So what!" Does that mean because you have addressed that is the end to it and no longer to be talked about. This is one of the most important issues of our time right now (yes along with the other crisis' going on), but we're talking about a person who might possibly be the next president. If it was a republican getting ready to take office you'd be on this board every day wanting to discuss it. I think finding out whether this guy is qualified and if not, how in the world did he ever get this far (who covered up what) will be one of the biggest issues of time. And for someone who doesn't want to waste their time you sure wrote a long post.
This is not gossip. The supreme court does not involve themselves with cases of "gossip". There is validity to what is being brought forth to them. Otherwise they would not waste their time. They don't have time to hear every single case that is brought before them, but they know the importance of upholding the Constitution, and so do the electorals who will be voting. If he doesn't meet the qualifications he and the DNC have got some explaining to do.
Your comments about "right-wing rag sources" "so-called headlines" "ignorance in the fringe right's hate blogs" "Focks news". Goes to show how little you know about what is happening. And your statement that you "read and listen to numerous national and international sources on a daily basis" is laughable. Your comments show you clearly do not.
Your dose of reality is that this is bigger than you know, the Supreme Court will be hearing the case. There are at least 12 or more lawsuits going on. The O refuses to show the information and prove his eligibility (not sure how long he thinks he can get away with it - what's he going to do, defy the Supreme Court?). The cases are being presented by lawyers, judges, politicians, democrats, independents, republicans, whites, indians, chinese, and blacks. The people voting in December want the issue cleared up because if any of them have any doubt about this, they will not vote for him. That's the reality and that's what the dems (especially on this board) fear, and that is why the left-wing rags, TV stations, and radio stations won't talk about it.
As for the rest of your post I will not address because it is so long I didn't read the rest of it. The first two paragraphs and the first sentence of the third paragraph was enough for me to realize you clearly do not know what you are talking about.
Maybe you should get a grip and read and listen to other stuff besides what the left wingers keep dishing out.
As I said below, he had been discussing Freakanomics, Democrat.
And as I said below, need he have interjected that in every sentence in the conversation? The discussion was actually about abortion. The entire TEXT of the conversation is posted here. Also, this has been discussed on several talk shows and Freakanomics has been mentioned often and appropriately, but as I also said, there is no use discussing it further. There is no arguing with most on here about it, athough there was a glimmer of hope. Understand me, I am not dismissing his comments out of hand. I think he made a poor decision when he was making a point. However, do I think he did it deliberately and with malice and do I think he is a racist? Absolutely not. THIS is racism:
What, white isn’t a color?
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, October 01, 2005
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Things like this amuse me as they show the absolute lunacy which now exists in some areas of our society. From Northeastern University:
After originally advertising for women of color only, the Women's Studies and Graduate Consortium's first Breaking Bread: Women of Color Dialogue was forced to open the doors of the Raytheon Amphitheater to all races last Saturday.
The event was meant to include only women of color during its first session from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m., with the second session from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. open to the public. However, after protest from the Student Government Association (SGA), orders came from Provost Ahmed Abdelal that the event must remain open to all who wished to attend.
They were in violation of the nondiscrimination policy, said Michael DeRamo, SGA vice president for academic affairs. We're glad that everything turned out well and the people who wanted to go were allowed to attend.
He said although SGA appreciated what the program was trying to accomplish, SGA could not stand dormant while one of their senators was denied admission based on her race. OK, you say. Good deal. Now, check out the reaction:
I think it's a shame that one or two white students based on white privilege, a lack of awareness of racial issues and a lack of generosity of spirit complained to the office of the provost and were able, because they were white, to gain admission to the morning session that I was forced to open up, Chandler said. Only one white female student showed up and I welcomed her anyway, in addition to telling the audience to conduct themselves with integrity even though the presence of a white woman was unwelcome. Is your irony meter pegging out yet? Talk about Newspeak. Protesting discrimination is now lack of awareness of racial issues and a lack of generosity of spirit.
Protesting discrimination now apparently only belongs to 'people of color'.
Just as interesting is this group seems to believe it can solve racial issues without involving all the races.
Oh and the condescension was almost dripping when this person said I welcomed her ... even though the presence of a white woman was unwelcome.
Sounds like a stereotypical southerner in the immediate post-civil rights south, doesn't it?
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Personal note: You won't see this in the MSM.
THIS is racist:
In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture. -- Harry Belafonte
THIS is racist:
He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black. -- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage
THIS is racist:
I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities. -- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the conscience of the Senate, in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.
THIS is racist:
I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years. -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, Inside The White House
THIS is egregiously racist:
I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n*gger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America. Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess
And THIS is racist:
There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said, ‘Well, George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of. -- Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)
today on radio, they were discussing
his own party is in controversy over flip-flops. disgusted almost with the whole lot of them. someone said government growth has been 60% in the last few years. Don't know about that, but upsetting story on medicare losing millions by having doctor's available info on line which, of course, has been abused. Some of these guys have been dead for years and so people have been using their id's and #'s to scam/order wheelchairs. oh well, we'll always have more taxpayers, right? The name of the game is money, and they are all to blame for this energy problem, alternative methods have been squelched for almost 80 years. We could very quickly find ourselves in a fine pickle if they shut off the tap over there and I don't put it past them. After all, we have already made them filthy rich, they won't need us anymore, especially with our losing economy. Indonesia and Viet Nam won't even accept american money. or so I heard a couple of weeks ago, not like I tried to spend any money anywhere! I strongly feel the need to become self-sufficient and I mean that on an individual level as well, think 1800's. our people are much too busy fingerpointing to get anything accomplished and I am sick of all the bickering and wastefulness. I really feel for the ones to come after us.
I agree. My husband and I were discussing that.
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I thought they were discussing sending them to Australia.
Did that change? I don't watch political channels, it just makes me mad.
My husband and I were discussing is that the upside of Obama as pres it that we will probably
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best ideas
Hey, i get some of my best ideas when I am "smoked into a frenzy." Sounds like fun.
Your ideas
Any idea for change is better than what we have now. I think your idea for registration is a good one. Most people have a a birth certificate, driver's license and social security card. If, as you said, registration was done at a central place and all 3 documents had to be presented it would do away with voter registration fraud. Going back to paper ballots might not be a bad idea too.
No, because they don't have any ideas. Just want to
It is sad that grown, supposedly adults, just want to come here and slam any and all suggestions.
I guess they wish for another 8 years of the downward spiral that Bush led is into.
It is very easy to point out others' faults and issue warning Subject line zingers, but not one person who has done this has come up with a viable alternative.
We'd have to ban you, too. Or are any ideas
Get a grip and go back and learn what this country was founded on. You obviously have ZERO idea.
prehistoric ideas
What, dear neocon, was wrong in my statement? Not a thing..but, of course, you and your attack dogs have a certain way of disputing reality and truth, you say the same thing over and over and over and over and then attack the poster/author/lecturer, instead of dealing with the facts. Nothing in my post was wrong, nothing. I think you need to go back to the prehistoric age, where your ideas and beliefs are still stuck. Nothing in this country has ever gotten done due to staying the same and being afraid to move on and progress. Everything has gotten done in the country by progressives, people who realize with life and time, you must move on and change with the times and rethink things and adjust to the reality of the day and time. Hey..what..hmm..oh, I think your dinosaur is growling for you, better go get him and ride back to prehistoric times..bye..bye.., sweetie..
You were not being attacked, you ideas are
You don't debate, you scream and holler and fling insults and names.
Where are you getting these erroneous ideas?
Especially about the taxation? Obama's tax plan is going to be of bigger benefit to me and everyone I know than McCain's ever could be.
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Decisions vs ideas.
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Even the worst of ideas
and plans that don't and won't work can be presented eloquently and there certainly will be people dumb enough to believe that those ideas and plan will actually work. This is all a bunch of fluff to get elected. Obama does give hope....it is called FALSE HOPE!
NOBAMA!!!!
Good ideas, especially #2.
The "parties" are the problems. I would also see that spending billions on crappy TV ads by the candidates wasn't done. Instead of the ridiculous debates, how about FREE TV time where ALL qualified candidates could stand before the PEOPLE and present their agenda for change in words of 1 syllable so the PEOPLE would know where they stood. No canned and doctored "questions."
I would have a weekly address to the PEOPLE and the Speaker of the House and what's the head of the Senate called, forget right now, would stand beside me and give account TO THE PEOPLE of what they had accomplished during the week.
Here's my not so genius ideas...LOL
First of all (even though I do believe in unions) the auto unions needs to work with them on this one. They can't afford to re-tool and pay high wages at the same time. At least some people who would be laid off during this time of transition could find jobs in the transition process itself. They need to simply quit producing and selling SUVs and gas guzzlers to the general public. They would have to continue to make available some things like trucks for businesses. Start making electric cars for general consumption as well as fuel efficient cars. Lower the price of cars as much as possible to undercut imports or, like you said, just stop importing them. Then we can start on the Pickens plan of using natural gas for larger vehicles.
I'm sure Obama will be calling soon for my adivse. 
You do have some good ideas
Although reading I'm thinking isn't this a little drastic? :-), but I do see your point and agree with you. This is what I would do...my brainstorming and I think it is reasonable (well maybe just some of it is reasonable)
1. Cut all politicians salaries by 25%.
2. Cut sports players and hollywood people in movies/shows by 25%.
3. All the weathiest people, lets say those who have income of half a million or more tax them at a rate of say 40% (sort of like when Bill Clinton was president but instead of taxing the middle income that outrageous tax he did, we would tax the wealthiest instead).
4. All CEO/execs of companies get a 25% salary cut.
5. Any company that is found spending bail out money on lavish parties, spas, etc, a return of the money immediatly, the company dismantled and the execs thrown in jail.
On a personal level (people like you and me). Every one should have some type of garden to be able to grow food. Our founding fathers were farmers. Why? They had to eat. Take some of the dependence off the stores (only for stuff you really can't grow or make).
Get rid of Apple computer and downsize Microsoft. Do we really need IPods and IPhones. I have a portable CD player (I bought 6 years ago) with earphones and I can hear my music just fine with that. This downloading music or whatever is just a big gimmick. I also have a cell phone I bought at radioshack and I can talk to people just fine on that. What's up with "texting". If I want to text I come home and use the computer.
Get rid of a lot of autos. Half of them are not being bought. Horse and buggy worked very well in the past and could work again too. But if you don't do that, then anyone driving around with their music playing so loud it rattles the dishes inside of the house as it passes - those people should be fined big time!
Better yet instead of cutting politician salaries by 25% do away with them. Have a representive from your own state but get rid of the whole DC congress thing. Politicians should also only be allowed one term. No 2, 3, 4 or 5 year terms. If the politicians don't work for the people they need to be fired. No more career politicians.
Every person in America should know how to feed, cloth, and protect themselves without dependence on others, and any body caught breaking into someones home should be shot on the spot - no trial. They were breaking in with the intent to steal and possibly injure or kill whowever lives there so the criminal can take what is not his/hers. Take them around the back of a building and immediately put down like the animals they are. Think of all the money we'd save not having to feed and clothe them.
Get rid of some of the TV stations. Do we really need over 400 channels of TV programs? And most of the time I still can't find anything decent to watch. I grew up in the 1960s (when TV's had tubes in the back - to this day whenever something happens to our TV I will still say, maybe there is a bad tube :-) ) But I grew up on 12 channels (except we didn't get channel 8 or 11) and I always found something entertaining to watch and when there wasn't something to watch mom taught us quilting, sewing, canning, knitting or we played a good ol fashion board game of monopoly.
I think there is too much stuff in this world people do not need.
As for taxes...we should pay, but there should be a list available of who is getting what taxes, and like when I give to charity I give to what charity I want to give to and therefore I should be able to decide which organization I want my taxes to go to. And taxes should be a flat rate. That way people who make 20,000 pay the same percentage as people who make 120,000. Unlike people like John and Teresa Kerry who paid only 6% in taxes a few years back while I paid 27%.
As for all that's going on in the country. It is very sad and depressing, but in 4 years none of us are going to care if the Mayan calendar is correct.
His website states his ideas and how he
I was undecided until McCain picked Palin. C'mon people - she was the mayor of a town with 9,000 people. God forbid if something should happen to McCain - would you want her to step in. It's Obama for me - I've always liked Joe Biden - he doesn't think he's above everyone else and even commutes to and from work like us "normal" folk.
I have some ideas about auto bailout
Let the oil companies bail them out since they directly benefited from some of the bad management decisions.
Don't bail out the companies. Give the money to the workers for re-education, etc., while the auto companies restructure.
My first suggestion was a little cynical, but I'm not sure why the second hasn't occurred to anyone. ...
not questioning your ideas or beliefs -
I am just wondering how is that? Are you and your husband both American? I am just being nosy and I guess you don't have to answer me if you don't want to... just curious how that happened or how it works and if it was something you chose.
Please share your ideas for economic
What do you think would be the best course of action?
Here, some party sign ideas
Tea Party Sign Ideas
* We The People ARE FED UP
* Cap and Trade = Broke and Poor
* I would rather live under a bridge than live under socialism
* One Bad Ass Mistake America
* Revolution! Nuff said
* The sleeping giant is now awake
* Is this what you voted for?
* Government is Broken
* FAIR TAX
* RIP America
* I’m sorry I didn’t do more to stop the madness
* Tea is only the beginning
* Do you know what happened after 1773? We Do
* We don’t want pork, We Want Liberty
* Special Interests Get the Pork, We Get the Beans.
* Pay for Your OWN Mortgage
* Free Markets, Not Free Loaders
* No Public Money for Private Failure
* Reward Responsibility, Not Irresponsibility
* Andrew Jackson was Right: No to Bank Nationalization
* Cut Taxes, Not Deals
* Next Time, Read the Bill Before You Sign It
* You Can’t Borrow to Prosperity
* Don’t Mortgage the Future
* Solve Problems, Don’t Sweep Them Under the Table
* 220 Years to Build the Republic, 1 Month to Destroy It
* Obama has a Crisis of Competence
* Why Should I Pay for YOUR Bad Decisions
* Restore the Republic, Revolt Against Socialism
* Sleep? I’ll Sleep When Conservatives Run Congress
* Netizen Warriors, Not Dependent Whiners
* READ THE BILL NEXT TIME
* No Taxation Without Deliberation
* No Taxation Without Deliberative Representation
* No Spending Without Deliberation
* No Spending Without Deliberative Representation
* Join Our Cause: Restore the Republic
* We Don’t Want No Stinkin Socialism !
* The Very Small List: Things Government Does Well
* REPEAL THE PORK
* REPEAL THE BAILOUT CONGRESS
* We the People…are now owned by the Chinese.
* Atlas will shrug
* Stimulate business, not government
* Honk if I’m paying your mortgage
* You can’t borrow prosperity
* Home ownership is not an entitlement
* I’ll pay for my house, you pay for yours
* Party like it’s 1773
* Proud American capitalist
* Repeal the pork or your bacon is cooked
* Your mortgage is not my problem
* No taxation without deliberation
* Give me liberty or give me debt!
* You can’t spend your way out of debt
* Wake up America, stop the insanity!
* R.I.P. Free market economy
* Save trees, stop printing money
* Don’t tread on me (Gadsden flag or First Navy Jack)
* I want your money (recruiting picture of Uncle Sam)
* Wall Street got a bailout and all I got was the bill
* TARP = $750 Billion
o Stimulus = $870 Billion
o 2009 Deficit = $1.75 Trillion
o U.S. Dollar = WORTHLESS!!
* Just Say No (word “Socialism” with circle and slash)
* Liberty is all the stimulus we need
Quotes:
* “Man is not free unless the government is limited.” Ronald Reagan
* “The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.” Vladmir Lenin
* “Debt, n. An ingenious substitute for the chain and whip of the slavedriver.” Ambrose Bierce
* “It takes as much imagination to create debt as to create income.” Leonard Orr
* “Debt is the fatal disease of republics, the first thing and the mightiest to undermine governments and corrupt the people.” Wendell Phillips
So, I have trouble understanding abstract ideas AND
I have no sense of humor. Anybody else?
sorry, it was ''the erroneous ideas'' post.
The link is in the above post, though. Look down toward the bottom, where it says LINK/URL.
Comesin handy when you are fresh out of ideas
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no numbers, ideas, detail or plan......
DailyKosTV has great video from the big announcement of the GOP budget today. The big news is that there really is no GOP budget. No numbers, no ideas, no details, no plan. They are the party of "NO" -- No future:
Any ideas on how paying down too much debt could be a terrorist threat?nm
warped sources = warped ideas
Consider the source!
warped sources = warped ideas
Consider the source!
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