Desperate for the truth to come out about
Posted By: pub underlying agendas sm on 2008-10-17
In Reply to: OMG........ HE'S GETTING DESPERATE!! - ......... MSMT
By the way, you might want to ask youself a couple of questions. If Obama is so invested in, colluded and directly associated with ACORN and up to his eyeballs in corruption and scandal, why do you suppose he is preparing to bring the whole thing out in the open and shine a national spotlight on this issue? With the poll numbers and electoral map so favorable toward him just 17 days going into the election, why would he risk it all by going on the offensive and pursuing an issue that pubs would have us all believe should condemn his as unfit for office?
Oh yeah. I'm gonna just sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Running scared....DESPERATE, DESPERATE
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You are right, I am desperate.
Desperate to have a little bit more money left out of my hard-earned checks to take care of my 3 kids. Desperate to be able to quit one of my 3 jobs so I can spend more time with them before they grow up and leave the nest. Desperate for the hard-working among us to finally catch a break and the lazy bums to have to sacrifice SOMETHING.
I opened my house and home for 3 months to a neighbor of mine whose husband had left her and their child. I got a real quick primer on the life of one of "those less fortunate ones". It turns out all she wanted to do was lay in bed until 11, smoke, watch a few soaps, maybe or maybe not go to work for a couple of hours, smoke, eat, smoke, talk on my phone for 2 or 3 hours every night, smoke, then sleep for another 10 hours.
Not an unfortunate one. A lazy, lazy, lazy one. Why work when you can get $$ every month for nothing? It doesn't take them long to learn that lesson. And she is teaching it to her children too.
Something has got to give.
Thats what happens when you are desperate to
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OMG........ HE'S GETTING DESPERATE!!
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Nobody's desperate...
Barack Obama is going to be our next president.
You guys are the desperate ones. You guys are the type of ignorant, uninformed people who give the former distinguished Republican party a bad name.
desperate attempt
to snag the unhappy Hilliary supporters. They predicted this last night -- if McCain felt desperate after watching the Dem convention, he would pick a wild card candidate. If he felt safe, he would go with Romney. Tthanks for showing your cards, Mac. Hill's people are progressive, they won't vote for a ticket that is against women's rights just because one is a woman.
Boy, they're getting desperate.....
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You are so desperate you will vote for anything
The man refuses to even prove his citizenship...why?
You have never been able to refute any facts and that just bugs the crap out you.
Facts are your enemy...
Rattle on all you want but the man has been denied a call for dismissal to prove his citizenship by a judge, who says he has to prove it.
The truth sounds rude when put bluntly but still is the truth. nm
!!!! hahaha
You are getting desperate and still repeating the same phrases. NM
LOL! Either desperate or just plain sloppy.
Are THEY just plain stupid or do they think WE are? 
While we realize how desperate the pubs are to
"reinvent" their party, the notion that 1 sarcastic speech, void of policy and issues, by SP is going to cast some sort of hypnotic spell, suspend the nation in a state of collective amnesia, wave the fairy godmother's magic wand and make the last 8 years of pub policies that have raped our economy disappear is almost as insulting as thinking women outside the Christian right NeoCon factions will be voting with their genitalia. Our memories reach far beyond the sound bytes of this speech and, believe it or not, we have been paying attention.
JM selected a pick that he thinks can be sold as HC's equal, is just as much of a superstar as O and can deliver speeches that are just as inspiring. The campaign is transparent in their attempt to highjack the Change, Vision and Hope themes as well. Try your best, but what you cannot do is sell any of us on the idea that the pubs now can lay claim to being champions of the working class. Smoke and mirrors cannot disguise the fact that they will give tax cuts to the rich, favor corporations and be 4 more years of the same old poop.
JM's VP pick has shifted the party image right back into the category of NeoCon. Hello. That is what we are all trying run as fast and as far away from as we possibly can. O is the candidate of change, and no amount of spin will change that basic fact.
desperate smear tactics. nm
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Still holding out that last desperate hope
DNC has proven this over and over and over and over and over again. Burden or proof is now on the Berg the Boob.
McC camp is so desperate they will even pose
Wouldn't be the first pub plant we've encountered. Role playing for the sake of argument will not win any elections. You have zero credibility.
Th witch hunt is getting desperate.
Such thoughtless ignorance, such little time. Where to start? Obama's father left him mom when he was a baby. He is a child of divorce. In his entire life, he knew his father for 1 month. He has some communication with Kenyan relatives but not all of them. It is not surprising that they would not have that much in common, having been raised by different parents of different races halfway around the world from each other.
So, against this background, consider if you will how divorced families in the United States relate to one another. If you yourself were from a divorced family, would you necessarily keep up with the whereabouts of your dead father's HALF-sister wh you never knew? Would you even know her last name, her husband's name, how many children she has or even her hometown?
I would not expect him to even know she was in the United States, much less her legal status. Furthermore, I would not be sticking my nose into an elder relative's personal affairs, asking such questions as to her legal status. I would probably respect the elder and give her the benefit of the doubt. In fact, it would ot even cross my mind.
Having said that, there is another aspect of this family situation that comes into play. African family structures operate much, much differently than American families. Many tribes in Africa reckon the identity of their children through the MOTHER, not the father, like we do here in the west. Wives do not take their husband's names and neither do the children. Therefore, kinship via the mother's ancestors is central. So here we have a combination of divorce, death of a relative who abandoned his son, geographic separation, racial separation (being raised in a white world) and cultural separation. It is not at all hard for me to understand that he would not have known her legal status or even that she was still here. If the contribution came from a New York address, there would have been no reason for campaign workers to question its legality, nor would they have know she was his aunt.
All I need to know about Obama's family values is the way he treats his own wife and children and what he says about responsible parenting. I think is is ridiculous that you have the gall to sit in judgment over something you have no way of knowing anyhing about. Grasping at straws in the 11th hour of the campaign will not win any elections.
The witch hunt is getting desperate
While I realize that Obama's book is WAY over your head, you should be able to grasp at least its title...DREAMS of my father, as in how an abandoned son might imagine his father and feel the need to understand the parent he never knew. Unlike you, I do not get my information from YouTube, fringe chat rooms and Fix Noise, errr, I mean Fox News. I actually read BOOKS and have read up on Obama enough to know a little bit about the estrangement he feels from his Kenyan family and when I wrote that, I had Maya Soetoro-Ng in mind who maintains a relationship with Obama.
I studied African tribal family structures and America family structure in (now get ready) college...cultural and social anthropology, cultural geography and sociology of family courses for starters and have maintained an interest in cultural studies for more than 30 years, so I CONTINUED to read about these subjects of interest. Survivor TV would be on your level, not mine. Obama supporters are, how should I say this, known to be a tad more educated than (how did that political analyst says it yesterday?...oh, yes) the downscale McCain voter and as such are much less prone to the mob mentality that adopts and chants flock buzz words such as "sheeple" and the like. Then again, I would not expect you to be ale to wrap you brain around African tribal customs and how kinship reckoning affects cultural family value systems, especially outside of the lower 48, but I do think that Obama's global mentality probably get the gist of it.
Now, if you don't mind, I need a breath of fresh air and a little distance between myself and this ignorant post of yours.
You're just desperate for any port in the
My 401K is still down almost 50%, my home value has not begun to recover, and I'm looking at $trillions and $trillions in debt coming down the road that will literally smash all of us.
Grow up. The market moving from way, way in the dumper to a little bit less in the dumper is nothing whatsoever to crow about.
Oh - and besides, you'll remember that you're looking at the activities of money managers, who don't give a rip about what's going on in the real economy with the real folks. Remember?
LOL - geez, we're getting desperate, aren't we?
Why should O be desperate? Pubs have been spoiling for a fight
All nice and legal, headed up by a brilliant, constitutional attorney. DOJ is considering the request. Stay tuned.
Agree. It's called being desperate for attention.
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Liberal truth vs. Conservative truth.
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Bush III: McCain camp is so desperate they have to resort to swiftboating? nm
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but...It's probably the biggest...sm
reason why I am voting democrat...they seem more honest than the the republicans and it looks like people are starting to get smart and *bailin' Palin*... We don't need to keep hearing her *greatest hits" version of her acceptance speech over and over and McSame's POW story...that was then, this is now...we need REAL change and we need it NOW. I don't need someone to push the red button, I need someone to fix the economy!
Truth? The truth is she is nuts!
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Why are you McCain people so desperate? You are just like McCain. No plan. Just criticism of the
other candidate. I guess you want the same old thing we have had for the past 8 years. God forbid McCain win with that wild woman, Palin.
McCain wasn't desperate and wasn't behind in the polls
In fact, they have been neck and and neck, and McCain has been gaining in the polls while Obama has been slipping. McCain could have taken the easy way and kept the stable course and picked safer, sure. Instead, he picked a maverick leader like himself, who isn't afraid to get in there and make changes even if it goes against their own party. I believe he wanted to say that the Republicans are the party for change, and wanted to make a bold statement. I've seen statements at "other sites" as well where people are absolutely joyous at this pick.
Why do you feel the desperate need to attack, attack, attack....
what IS it about Obama that inspires this kind of thing? I guess you don't get it when someone is being facetious do you? Read the whole thread...including the part about celestial choirs, which was said by one of Obama's supporters.
The smoke machines and strobe lights was definitely a joke, one can only hope they would not do something so ridiculous but who knows....Britney Spears' set designer designed that set.
So much for no celebrity status. LOL.
Truth
give me a freaking break, okay? The truth needs to be posted over and over and over again.
the truth
So true and so well put.
You could not be further from the truth. NM
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Now, now, now... let's tell the TRUTH, which is NOT:
His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist).
History IS important. Check yours.
Phil Donahue is a Catholic.
Where's the truth in the above?
It's just your fantasy of wanting Bush to get caught getting a B.J....and quoting Marey Carey, a former porn star. Any credibility you had you just flew out the window.
The truth is that no one really knows the truth about 911.sm
I think their secrecy surrounding the matter is creating oddball theories. I do not know if I would call them a subculture, but I know the 911 truth movement is quite large (millions). This will even be used as a political platform for a few running for office. One that comes to mind is Robert Bowman running for Congress.
Truth.
If you believe –
That the Bible is the inspired Word of God
That Jehovah God is a God of integrity and it is impossible for Him to break covenant because of His character,
That Jesus Christ is our example, and we are to follow Him,
Then there is no Biblical alternative to supporting Israel and the Jewish people.
Are you all nonbelievers here?
We already know the truth. nm
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The truth (as you see it)...sm
Quotes from Mizz Coulter:
Freedom of Speech
* They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment.
o University of Florida speech; October 20, 2005.
Immigration
* I'd build a wall. In fact, I'd hire illegal immigrants to build the wall. And throw out the illegals who are here. [...] It's cheap labor.
o Fox News; The O'Reilly Factor; Transcript via Media Matters; April 14, 2006.
o On illegal immigration
Liberals
* VESTER: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.
o (FOX News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6
New York Times
* My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.
o New York Observer article; August 26, 2002.
* Of course I regret it. I should have added 'after everyone had left the building except the editors and the reporters.'
o rightwingnews.com; June 26, 2003.
o On her (above) statement concerning Timothy McVeigh
* [Learning difficulties are a cover for] rich parents with dumb kids...That's why 'Pinch' Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, is alleged to have dyslexia - because he's retarded.
o The Independent; August 16, 2004.
o Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr., publisher of New York Times
Stevens, Justice John Paul
* We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens's creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
o Philander Smith College January 26, 2006 [6]
Women
* I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
o Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001.
* It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
o [8]; May 17, 2003.
* I think the other point that no one is making about the [Abu Ghraib] abuse photos is just the disproportionate number of women involved, including a girl general running the entire operation. I mean, this is lesson, you know, number 1,000,047 on why women shouldn't be in the military. In addition to not being able to carry even a medium-sized backpack, women are too vicious.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; May 5, 2004.
Voting
* I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; August 17, 1997.
Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 194
Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 5-6
I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
* Her column; December 21, 2005
* Governmental responsibility
* We were terrified that Jones would settle. It was contrary to our purpose of bringing down the president.
o Uncovering Clinton: A Reporter’s Story (1998), pg. 183.
o Paula Jones
* If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [teenage] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns.
o Politically Incorrect; December 18, 1997.
o Heath High School shooting (where a gunman killed 3 students at a prayer meeting at the school). When she said Don't pray, Coulter may have been asked whether she approved of praying in school.
* [A] cruise missile is more important than Head Start.
o From a speech, November 2001, rebroadcast by C-Span in January, 2002.
o Education spending vs. defense spending
The list goes on:
These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much. -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration
We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole.
There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats.
We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.
Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.
Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals.
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.
The swing voters -- I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster.
How about this truth.
All life is sacred or no life is sacred, no exceptions.
Once again, not really the truth
I'm starting to get irked. What is with all the manipulation of the truth? Why can't you guys stick with fact? Nixon denied what he had done, LIED blatantly for a long time until there was so much evidence against him that he FINALLY had to come clean. Yes, much like Clinton. I don't need to change historical facts to fit my own agenda like you do, e.g., also the Summerby comment.
Your claims are ridiculous and I don't know why you are making them. You seem too intelligent for such complete hogwash. Really.
I don't know why to tell you the truth....
...and I don't think it is a "Republican" site per se. It is definitely a conservative-leaning site. I am not a registered Republican except in primary years. I do not owe my alliegance nor vote to any political party. But I admit, the further left the Democratic party goes, the less likely I will ever vote democratic again. I have in the past. But it is doubtful that I ever will again. But...I digress.
I hear you about the complete bashing and name calling. And yes, you can make your points, counter the points of others, without bashing and name calling. I get angry too, and i think some of the things I see posted here at me...lol. But I get up, walk away, bite my lip, and then try to post after that initial wave of &(A(& passes...lol
Have a good night, kiki :)
Why not tell the truth for once?
You introduce an issue, someone does not agree with you, and then the attacks start. Eight, nine, ten bashing posts to my one. Now who does that seem like is monopolizing the board. THis is not a dem board. It is a political board. You do not tolerate any dissenting opinions. You should really try to actually be democratic...that is your party name after all.
Ain't that the truth!! nm
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Actually he DID tell the truth once...
when he said the big O was not ready to be President as it did not lend itself to on-the-job experience. He hit that nail square on the head.
Here is your truth. sm
Guess Olbermann is wrong about date - JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26798219
not sure how much truth there is to this
i've heard it's not over.. hill may still run with obama
Not quite all the truth ...
Palin didn't kill the bridge to nowhere. She supported it and then, when CONGRESS said NO to it, she still took the money. Just a wolf in sheep's clothing there.
Probably a lot easier to have an 89% to 93% approval rating when you hardly have any residents to please!! LOL
McCain's cheating is just that: Cheating. It's not something you do - it's what you are -- a cheater. Even psychiatrists and psychologists will tell you that a person who cheats once is all the more likely to repeat that behavior. Cheating comes in all forms.
So, now if you're gonna forgive McCain's past badddd behavior, you must forgive Obama's past uglies, too.
If you want to hail Palin as some kind of maverick or new breed, make sure you give appropriate kudos to the other side who are doing things in a new light, too.
Oh, and by her a thesaurus. She needs to learn a little new lingo. Tired of every conversation out of her mouth being about the bridge to nowhere (which she supported and then took the money on) and being a maverick (hmmm, wasn't the Wild West full of mavericks who behaved badly and got away with it?) and putting that jet on ebay (which did not sell - someone else had to sell it and it came at a $600K loss in value - a loss to taxpayers) and all the same things in her first speech at the convention. Not a new word since. Not a new original thought since. Bush speechwriters writing for her. LOL
You sure you want to see the truth.....
And, you can't say it was all made up lies. The poor kid standing there pointing out the facts with his own mouth. How sad you think ACORN is such a great group. Look who they take advantage of. Probably the same ones they claim to want to help better themselves. Now, watch carefully....
http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/17703748/detail.html
Thanks for some more truth about
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Well, to tell the truth
I'm not sure if it is the left or the right driving this b/c thing into the ground. I thought it was the right. I know I'm sick of hearing the same ole same ole over and over and over. It has gotten to the point that it just makes me angry. There may be a few exceptions but I think maybe regular posters find nothing new to discuss so they may just go away. One poster swore that he/she would keep bringing the b/c issue to the top and by golly, he/she has done so. I have noticed that when a new topic is introduced there is no one who seems interested in discussing anything not connected with the b/c so that leads me to the above conclusion. If there happened to be some new information regarding the b/c or lack thereof, I would certainly be interested in reading it but there is not a shred of proof that the b/c is not legitimate and having examined it on the internet, which is about as close as any of us are going to get, the issue is resolved to my satsfaction. I just wonder when the group flogging this dead horse will ever give it up and move on. I enjoy debating issues with fellow MTs but not issues that have already been proven to be nonissues. I doubt the SC will hear the case brought by that ignoramus lawyer. If they do they are dumber than him.
What is it the b/c people want anyway? Do they think Hillary could just be declared the winner after all? Do they think McCain should be declared the winner? Do they want Bush to stay in office? With this country in such a mess, exactly what is it these people want to have happen? Someone has to be president, if not Obama, then who? I might give the whole thing a little more credibility if someone would take the time to explain to me exactly what it is they want to accomplish.....and PLEASE don't insult my intelligence by coming back with "he's not a citizen."
truth
Gourdpainter: As my father always told us when we were kids - "there are four sides of the truth - your side, the other person's side; and the side no one is telling but most important of all - God's truth, and when you figure out which truth to tell that is right, then you can come and talk to me.."
Just truth
The truth hurts, and anybody who can follow Obama after reading all of the facts checked on him, which are not in his favor and are abundant, really needs to ask themselves why. Obama is making promises he can't keep. Sometimes "change" isn't better. Obama supporters are looking at dollar signs, not using common sense. Come on now! As I said before, I used to follow Obama. I truly wish you would take ALL the facts and really ask yourself why you are voting for this man. Regardless of all the untruths being found about him, he's not experienced enough. Nobody is trying to scare anybody--it is just insanity to me that anybody could follow Obama. Don't get me wrong--I was almost swayed by his "charm," too. Really think about what you're doing here when you check his name on election day. Now look at McCain's strong character, his experience, his moral values (which are in line with our Creator), his patriotism. He puts our country first, isn't making candy promises, is realistic. Like McCain said "You're voting for a President, not a rock star."
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