Denial like this will land you in the same place
Posted By: in 2010 and 2012...sm on 2008-11-08
In Reply to: You cant thank the democratic congress too. - I am sure O will solve it all. LOL.nm
GOP needs to come to terms with where it went wrong, starting with a healthy dose of truth, washed down with a gallon of circumspection. Dems BTDT. If you need any pointers, just ask. BTW, it would be helpful for you to try the realize just which party the American people held responsible by taking another look at the election results.
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It's not Arab land tho'. The land has always belonged to the Jews!
Whatever the U.S. does or doesn't do where Israel and the middle east is involved is irrelevant. The land of Israel is THE promised land. It belongs to the Jews. They have had to fight for it against odds stacked against them and have won.
Obviously you are so far in denial...
and so set on what you perceive IS the truth and your perception that I do not want to know the truth that you cannot read what is in plain sight. I think that anyone who is not so blinded by hatred can see that if I say I want impeachment so we can ALL indeed know the truth, and somehow you spin THAT into I am terrified at what would come out of those chambers is ludicrous. And the saddest thing about it is that you cannot see how ludicrous it really is.
You should be aiming all this vitriol at this committee holding all these secret meetings instead of holding open hearings. They are the ones who won't impeach. Not MY fault they won't impeach. I WELCOME that. Let's get them all under oath and all this evidence out in the open where we can ALL see it.
Bottom line, anonymous poster....I don't know if he is guilty or not and you don't either. Talk about a a rush to judgment...what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?? You trampled all over that basic American right didn't you? You have already pronounced him guilty. There is not a shred of fair debate in YOU on this subject. That should be crystal clear to anyone who had the time to go through all this mess.
You know, if in your mind when someone says they want impeachment means they are terrified of the truth, if that makes you feel better and validates your line of thinking on this, so be it.
But if you are really serious about all this endless stuff you keep posting, you should be lobbying your congresspeople to impeach so we can put everyone under oath, both sides, give the accused a fair trial (a basic American right) and to face his accusers, and put this mess behind us once and for all. What about that terrifies YOU??? And what about that terrifies THEM?? You have no answer, I'm sure, in your mind me calling for impeachment and not the endless hearing political exercise, the terrified one. Who's on first? LOL...ridiculous.
You never DID answer my question, and that speaks volumes.
'Nuff said. This is a dead thread, Fred. :)
Denial, denial, denial
It's called living in the Land of Oz. I'm embarrassed for y'all, who are too ignorant to do your own research.
Just pitiful socialists. I hope y'all enjoy making less $ next year in the event Obama wins. Run the numbers for yourself. Better yet, run it by your CPA. Yet, all I ever read here is how much less $ everyone makes literally constantly.
It's all emotion. But funny how there's no emotion about aborting a baby on moment's notice.
Shame, shame.
You are in such denial.
the CHANGE come.
Maybe denial is one of his 57 states.
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He's right, we're all in denial
Proactive old-school people lived in a different world. They were raised with different values, that they learned from the small circle of people around them in their families and communities, prior to a media driven society. They had confidence born of being doers and fixers.
Sadly, they're speaking to a hostile audience, as each generation appears to become more apathetic and helpless. Our values have shifted. We consume and dispose, we don't plan and preserve, or heaven forbid, repair or do without. We spend and do not save. We accept and follow blindly whatever we are told. We question nothing, because then we might have to DO something or change. So much easier to go with the flow, wherever it takes us.
We don't want to see cause and effect. We don't want to see it when we are part of the problem. If the struggle to survive doesn't take up all our time, we're so busy obsessing over our looks and possessions (or that of celebrities) we can't be bothered to notice what's wrong, why its wrong, and what to do about it. Fads and entertainment are all we appear enthused about. We don't know why we're in a war, and we don't really care. We don't know why the bank just sent us more fine print in the mail, we'll just shrug and pay the higher charges, OK, whatever. We don't know why so many things are spiraling out of control, we'll just go back to our TV and assume there's nothing we can do about it.
Sure, it would be great if we could find a hero to fix it all for us. As long as that hero didn't ask us to change. The possibility that you or I could be that hero is just not going to cross our minds. Meanwhile, we'll accept whoever volunteers for the job of running things, and not worry too much about what agendas motivate them.
no pie for you...just denial...that reminds me of...
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You are so right, and the longer more the denial goes on . . . .
the quicker their extinction. YEA 
Delusions and denial tremendous help
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Denial won't turn those numbers around.
I wouldn't expect too much out of the debate tomorrow either, especially McC caves and makes good on his threat to talk about Ayers. Can you say plunging numbers?
I feel sorry for you. You are so in denial. Better buy this lightbulbs.nm
O lovers just living in denial..... he has let them go
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Whoops, I mean the longer their denial . . . .
 but I'm sure my point is made. Now go ahead, Flamers!
But it is not US land. nm
I believe in God. but you are in the la-la land...nm
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And you are so deep in denial a forklift couldn't....
drag you out. Repeat after me: ohhhhbaaaamaaaa.
Gag me is right!!
Denial is where we belong in the face of such lies.
you cannot turn these lies into truth.
Oh of course....in the land where you are innocent if...
proven not guilty...you are seizing on poor judgment. Don't you think it is poor judgment to consort with terrorists and spend 20 years in an america-hating church? This is not bad judgment? McCain did not cost us anything. Keating, the one who perpetrated the financial debacle...is responsible for that loss.
Promised land...(sm)
Promised by who? A god that half of the world doesn't believe in? Sorry, that doesn't hold water.
I have never in my life seen a group of people in such denial over EVERYTHING!! Get your heads out
You people deny that the dems are responsible for the housing crisis. Do some objective research!! They most certainly DID cause the crisis! You deny that the voter fraud from ACORN is a big deal, and that they are not trying to sway the election to any particular side!!! There were over 200,000 fraudulent votes in Ohio alone!! I was watching on CNN about this (the station that NEVER says anything negative towards liberals), and they were even talking about what a huge problem this is. They showed a ballot with the name of Jimmie Johns. They found the address, and it was Jimmie Johns restaurant - and there are 10s of thousands of ballots like this. And who worked for ACORN? Yup - the people's Messiah Obama. And somehow you all will find a way to minimize this and twist the facts, and probably blame me for telling this to you...
Your deep-seated denial is purely pathlogic and
is very telling about how hard you work to keep yourself insulated from the truth. There is no reason for Palestinians to exaggerate the atrocious fatality figures. Besides that, a survey of multiple new sources both inside and outside the US reveal these figures are amazingly consistent. They are compiled by hospital and (nonpartisan) humanitarian workers and the Red Crescent (the Middle East's equivalent to the Red Cross) which services the entire region, including Israel. The figures are notoriously CONSERVATIVE estimates, reflecting reported deaths and nearly always are later replaced with high numbers once the dust settles on the carnage.
"Their word against ours?" How childish can you get? This statement strongly implies a person who is interested in covering up the truth rather than getting to it. Why would you do that? Who is "ours?" WE are eyewitness to nothing, except a sanitized version of US mainstream media war reporting.
Actually see the bodies? Ever since Viet Nam, we have not had access to those images because the government learned that if you show the carnage, it turns the tide of public opinion against the war.
Be careful what you ask for. I can hook you up with some links.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/12/29/updated-gaza-massacre-photo-gallery/
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/12/27/haitham-sabbah-photos-of-the-day/
http://www.ccun.org/Opinion%20Editorials/2009/January/2%20o/Gaza%20Massacre%20in%20Pictures,%20January%202,%202009.htm
About that hiding behind women and children crack/statement which you are parroting from the lying media mouthpieces. Gaza is the 6th most densely populated area in the world. There are 10,792 people per square mile in Gaza. Gaza is an occupied territory which has been blockaded for the past 18 months by Israel. There is no escape. There is no way out. And there is no possible way that Hamas (who live in Gaza and are citizens themselves) can NOT be among the civilian population. Weapons in mosques? Maybe. Maybe not. Where's the proof? This is the claim of the occupier. Sorry, I need convincing.
You're right. Bad guys don't always wear uniforms. Some of them wear suits and hide behind big impressive titles like prime minister, president, chairman and the like.
cant have an economy without a healthy land
Frankly, you cant have an economy, if you have no livable land or healthy people. First and foremost is the land and it's people and animals. Without all of that, we will not have an economy. Funny how other industrialized countries are signing on..you know the countries who take care of their citizens with health care, paid maternity leave, paid vacation time..The caring countries..not the capitalistic class divided society of America. OMG, just in New Orleans now you can see who are the fortunate ones versus the unfortunate ones. The minorities are mostly all the unfortunate ones cause they could not afford to get out of town. They are the ones hurting and rebelling. This is the picture of America today. The *haves* and *have nots* and Bush continues to give to the *haves* and do nothing for the *have nots*.
Living in the land of Camelot
I have a hard time believing anyone alive during JFK's administration could still believe that fairytale. He most definitely was not one of the greatest leaders of all time.
But you're right about Obama inspiring millions in much the same way, and I certainly agree that he will be transformational.
It is as much Israeli as ALSO Palestinian land...nm
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Just like it wasn't British land....(sm)
when Britian decided to give it to the Jews.
So jealous, in denial and wrong again OBAMA ROCKS BABY!!!! WE WON YAY!!!! nm
sour grapes
All Bush's fault....good grief....talk about denial...
Fannie and freddie? Ring a bell? BarneyRubble on the finance committee who said (on video) why there is nothing to worry about! Fannie is sound...and even if it wasn't, the government wouldn't bail them out....ROFL. DEMOCRAT. Bush Admin and John McCain in particular years ago telling them a crisis was looming but BarneyRubble and his crew not only did nothing, they encouraged Fannie to loan even more to people who had no prayer of paying it back...with credit rating less than 0. So tell me again how it was Bush's fault...do you realize how silly that makes your post sound? Get real???? COME ON. LOL. Obama is trying...trying what? To turn us into a welfare state for sure? Yup. Throwing us down the slippery slope of socialism? Yup. Not only trying, people like you are helping him. Well, enjoy is all I can say. Glad I didn't vote for him. This is all you folks. :)
I throw it right back at you: Blind, in denial, naive, conservative pub...nm
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Only in the land of Oz. Overthrow? It's called election.
So now he's plotting to kill or harm arou sovereign? No. Violation of allegience to covereign or state? No. Betrayal of trust or confidence; breach of faith (as in counter espionage). No. Treachery. No. Grasping at straws? Yes. Unable to win an election on the merits of your candidate and party platform? Most definitely. Paranoid and delusional? Classic.
He has been elected to the highest office in the land.
Your first clue might be global markets in the a.m. Watch them skyrocket.
And I remember the 1967 land grab
Why would anybody listen to someone who has ice water running through they veins, a black heart and mush for brains?
What land in Texas is even worth 'grabbing'?
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With Dr. Paul, everything is connected to the law of the land, the Constitution. sm
He does not personally condone drug use, but in the Constitution there is no authority that prohibits people from making personal choices.
Here is something more recent from him on that topic.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=40
You might want to research what those 8000 people did with that barren land....
From PW
This small piece of land has always been barren and squalid until 1967 when after the Arabs failed in yet another imperialist attempt to destroy the Jewish state, Israel took it over. Since then 8,000 brave pioneers have resided in a portion of Gaza. They settled in on infertile beach sand and were told by everyone that nothing had ever grown there and nothing ever would. Instead, what they accomplished was an agricultural miracle. Utilizing advanced technology which they invented, they made the sand blossom and built greenhouses that produce chemical-free bug-free organic produce that is shipped around the world and renown for its incredible quality and taste.
Now if a Muslim country had taken over this land they would have expelled all the 'infidels'. But the Jewish settlers came with garlands of peace, hope and opportunity. The greenhouses they built employ Palestinians at wages far higher than they would make under any Arab dictatorship, and have forged true bonds of harmony and friendship:
Saed, a 42-year-old greenhouse worker who commutes every day from Khan Yunis, said, For me, it's a really good life. I make enough money to feed my family. I am close with my bosses, who treat me with respect. I don't want to be out of a job. Fhaud, 63, a greenhouse supervisor, said he has grown attached to his Jewish employers. I've known my boss since he was a kid and I worked for his father, he said. Some workers here have known three generations of Jewish families. I was invited to all the bar mitzvahs and weddings. Mahmoud, who works in the same greenhouse, said, I don't want the disengagement to go through. Not just because I'll lose a job, but because I'll lose friends.
So Jews and Arabs working together, turning the desert green. In a sane world we would be commending these Jewish settlers for sowing real seeds of peace. Of course, this is not a sane world, for next week all this has to be dismantled and turned over to Islamic terrorists in the name of 'peace'. For the first time in world history a country is going to forcibly remove its own people and give land over to its sworn enemies.
So now that the poor Palestinians of Gaza are to be freed from their 'occupation', are they rejoicing in their independence and making plans to plow their energies into building communities and farms and schools and infrastructure? Are they preparing to serve as a model to the world that a country under Islamic law with a fresh start and no colonial 'imperialists' can succeed? Are they ready to turn their state into a free and prosperous Palestinian country?
At a mass rally in Gaza City last Thursday, some 10,000 Palestinians danced, sang, and chanted, Today Gaza, tomorrow Jerusalem. Jamal Abu Samhadaneh, commander of Gaza's Popular Resistance Committees, announced on Sunday, We will move our cells to the West Bank and warned that The withdrawal will not be complete without the West Bank and Jerusalem. The Palestinian Authority's Ahmed Qurei also asserts, Our march will stop only in Jerusalem. Meanwhile Hamas has officially announced that they will continue its war to destroy Israel by launching Qassam rockets at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and communities in Judea and Samaria. We're sure they'll be making full use of their new seaport to import weapons and munitions to keep the carnage coming.
What's becoming clear is how the religion of Islam is addicted to war and mayhem. Not a radical minority, not a rogue sect, but its very essence is about submission and sacrifice and proving your worth by worshipping death in this life to gain a paradise of orgies and drunkenness. Their entire history is of warfare, and any accomplishments of their so-called Golden Age has been proven to be merely parasitic off the cultures they've conquered and reduced to dhimmi servitude. That every country under sharia is corrupt, belligerent, desolate and barbaric obviously gives them no pause, except to constantly drive them into further psychotic rage as they refuse to ever accept any responsibility for their conditions. They are akin to the powers in Orwell's 1984; there must always be an enemy. It's no surprise that women are treated like property in these countries as that's the only way Muslim men can feed their egos, to dominate others rather than ever actually produce something.
What a victory for these people that their terrorism has paid off, with Western intellectuals cheering them on. You can only wonder how many youth who have been brainwashed from birth in the madrassas and draped in their culture of bomb-worship and martyrdom will join the global jihad as it now appears they actually have a chance to win. While our soldiers at Guantanamo have to wear rubber gloves when handing out Korans, it's pretty reasonable for them to conclude that the West is ready to fall and the global caliphate is a real possibility. Israel's retreat from Gaza will certainly do wonders for their recruiting.
LoL! Must be changing of the guard in crasher-trasher land.
The solution is pretty simple. If you don't like the liberal sermon, then don't attend the liberal church.
Other than that, I couldn't care less what you think. Have a nice day.
Oh yeah, that is a qualification for the 2nd highest office in the land.
And pay off the debt the GOP created.
Obama lives in a fantasy land of his own making.
Unfortunately, he is also a gifted speaker and is leading many people down the yellow brick road to a magical make believe land. Too bad Obama can't see the big picture of anything.
Polls may not be accurate as pollsters call land...sm
lines and many people only have cell phones.
Your kind live in a fantasy land....too lazy to even
Sorry to disappoint you but I am independent. I have sat and watched posters like yourself who have absolutely nothing to prove false any facts proven on this board.
You are a bunch of sad desperate people. People like you have given democrats a bad name and have pulled the democratic party in the mud.
yeah, and I've got this land for sale in Florida..
A little naive. of course he is going to try to level the playing field. Perhaps you are the one misunderstanding.
Wanders the desert for 40 years before occupation of the land
now known as Israel. The palestinians which were sent into exile are in the millions. Even my Jewish friends agree that Israel is being ruthless (they have the right to protect themselves, they say. This is what they should have done before the Holocaust. Jewish guilt stems from their failure to do so, resulting in their loved ones miserable deaths).
And, the world waited for a long time during the Holocaust before acting. Where was America and England, they must have thought. Years went by and they suffered tremendously. And the strongest survived - and the Jews do remember they were ignored at their time of need by the entire world - that in itself would justify in their minds a lack of loyalty to any other country other than Israel.
Sharon said: "Israel owns America and America knows it."
Israel's "occupation" of their land is the most godly thing in the middle east.
Israel needs the help of no one. They will always prevail because they are backed by God -- the one true God. All those who come against the people of Israel will suffer loss. It is not out of fear that Israel arms itself, it is out of a deep understanding of their past, present, and future revealed to them by God. Israel is loved by God and hated by their muslim neighbors because of that fact.
There is no Palestine. As I said before, the palestinians are squatters. Claiming a land that never belong to them and never will be promised to them. Their name is not on the lease!
I know my history of the region. The land of Israel is the hands of its rightful owners.
The Palestinians have been given the opportunity in 1947 when the UN granted a mandate separating the land into two states. The palestinians rejected the mandate and launched a civil war that Israel quickly won and declared their independence. Then in 1948 Israel was invaded by Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan which Israel one as well. The palestinians were given their chance and decided on violence instead and they were the losers. That's how it cookie crumbles.
In 1973 once again Israel's angry neighbors tried to invade, the Yom Kippur war. Israel was winning that one too when a cease fire was called. The palestinians lost fair and square. They could peacefully have coexisted with the Israeli's but they continually reject any peaceful solution and send their suicide bombers. Let's not forge the Oslo Peace Process in the early 1990s where Israeli government once again extended the olive branch agreeing to the PLO to form an autonomous government if they could agree to coexist with Israel and recognize Israel's right to exist. The palestinians answer? To laung Intifada II against the Israelis. Once again, more violence perpetrated by the palestinians.
Finally, what about the Sharon's disengagement plan implemented in 2005? Israeli government removed civilian and military presence from the Gaza Strip as a gesture to the palestinians so they could no longer claim that Gaza was an occupied" territory. Even after that gesture, the palestinians have refused to recognize Israel.
The palestinians do not want peace with the Israelis. They will settle for no less than the total annihilation of Israel as a nation which is the what the entire Arab world wants.
There's a place for everything!!!
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she did go to the right place
they had her husband listed but not her. she went on the county website and found her active status after she got home but now it's too late because of the provisional ballot being accepted.
You ought to see the place now.
The people who bought it left the barn fall apart. They tore down the summer kitchen (2 rooms, 1 up, 1 down) and "canning house" (24 x 40), and never took care of the orchard. It looks like a dump...and it breaks my heart. Everything was in good shape when we tried to buy it.
Probably the same place she gets
It seems to be of comparable quality.
Web site best place.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Mouse over the issues and a drop down list will provide you with lots of links that should keep you busy. You can also check out some of his better speeches if you like. If you are interested in being conversational and social and an Obama party, this is the place for you.
As you have already discovered, this chat room is the last place to look. The web site simply lays out the platform and policies in Obama's own words, without bias one way or the other..simple straight talk.
If, however, you are interested in getting kicked out of the party and labeled a right-wing fringe element, then go to the other links on black liberation theology. You are free, of course, to read about it and come to your own conclusions. But if you do explore that issue, please read the website throughly before deciding whether or not you think he subscribes to that theology. I can tell you categorically, none of his supporters believe the propaganda suggested to you in the other posts in this regard. It would be interesting to ask others at the party what they think about the assertions that Obama embodies those beliefs.
How refreshing to find a voter as open minded as this. Good luck with our research. Feel free to email me with any questions you may have.
I don't know....but I don't think it is our place to judge....
I knew girls in high school who did not want to ask their parents about birth control, intended to stay celibate, had the same boyfriend through school let hormones override their better judgment and got pregnant. Not their parents' fault. And as you said, the boy could have used a condom, and we don't know that he didn't, because we know the success rate for condoms is not that great. That we are even having this discussion to me is ludicrous...if Chelsea had become pregnant while Bill was in the White House I don't think Democrats would be attacking Bill and Hillary's parenting skills. I certainly would not have.
System in place........
No more taxes? Would be nice, but have to have some system in place to run schools, hospitals, keep infrastructure up to date, etc.
That is what your state is supposed to be responsible for.....not our government.
that's okay - I just said we needed something in place nm
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