Dems forced to stoop way low while speaking

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  • Do irrefutable facts always bring out this kind of snippy sarcasm? - Feeling a little touchy this evening? nm
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      • Still can't come up with an intelligent reply to the refute? - The fuzz must be all in your head.
        • Such an intelligent remark from - an obamabot.
          • Obamabots often line up to refute GOP propaganda. - McC/Failin flock behave just like you.....
            • Typical dem on this board, insulting, hateful. - What more is there to say?
              • Dems forced to stoop way low while speaking - the only language fringers know. nm
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  • Thank you. nm - oldtimer
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something that you acknowledge a desire for, and is the right thing to do?  This only gives credence to the theory that govenment has to solve our problems for us. 

I was raised by smokers (one of which died of lung cancer). As a child, every family gathering was a nightmare because all the aunts and uncles were smokers as well.  I've never smoked, hate smoke, and am pretty happy that it's now banned in businesses in my state. If it it were not a health issue, it's still an annoyance and I never understood why for most of my adult life I was required to put up with it in a restaurant or an office.  At outdoor events it's still legal. This is a courtesy issue; just because you legally may smoke does not mean it isn't rude to do so when surrounded by people in a stadium. 

But that's about as far as I am willing to go. I don't care if someone wishes to smoke in their own personal space.  Somebody who has been smoking smells nasty to me (on a par with b.o., intestinal gas, or overwhelming perfume) .  Some hypersensitive people actually are sickened by these odors on others, but if I get an occasional whiff of it, this is merely offensive and will do me no particular harm.  Some folks are quite unaware of (or do not care) how they smell. It's another courtesy issue.

To argue that there are larger societal impacts to many of our personal behaviors such as smoking, overweight, transfat and sugar consumption, and alcohol use has validity in terms of health care costs.  But to the extent that these behaviors directly harm only ourselves,  I still think that we should be permitted to reach these conclusions on their own, and take measures to correct them without the intervention of a nanny government.   

Millions of people quit smoking or drinking, change their diet or lose weight of their own volition and I think that a sense of accomplishment should accompany these successes, not the sense that somebody just nagged or taxed you into it. 

I was shocked to learn that these Republicans DON'T have to stand there and read the telephone book, etc.

And the Democrats are in "control" of Congress?

Okie-dokie. 

Looks like it might happen anyway.  Remember the heated debates over this on this very forum a while back?

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE52428I20090305?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521209,00.html

Talk about your double standards here.  You can't pray in school, pass out Bibles in school, or talk about God at all but hey....talk to them about being gay.  Once again, if you want me to keep my beliefs out of public school, stop forcing homosexuality upon my kids.  They are wanting to teach this to kids as young as 5 years old.

Why can't they just talk to the kids about not being mean and making fun of others without bringing the whole subject of homosexuality into it? 

It should be the parent's job to talk to their kids about homosexuality....not public schools. 

The Bible is without question the most recognizable and known literary works in the history of literature. It has been read time and time again by people of all races, nationalities and religions all over the world for hundreds and hundreds of years. It is the most prominent, dominating pieces of writing in cultures around the globe.

Yet apparently, it is exempt from that pesky little law of the separation of Church and State in the United States of America.

In Boca Raton, Florida, at West Boca Raton High School, the book of Genesis is on the required reading list for all incoming 11th graders to the school. It is not suggested or recommended, but is mandatory.

The school claims that no laws have been broken, as state law permits studies of the Bible as long as it is studied for its literature purposes, rather than as history. And this is the loophole which is allowing the school to force its students to read from the Bible, as it is seen as preparation for literary reading in the school year to come.

Wait a second … Students are being forced to read the Bible, because the school thinks it is pertinent to their reading in their particular grade level? And no one sees the problem with this?

Separation of Church and State was established to prevent religious beliefs and practices from interfering with activities within the government. And last time I checked, public schools fall under the category that is protected from religious teachings. While the Bible may have many great stories, and the style of writing and language may be absolutely fascination, why must students be required to read it? It is clearly the most blatant symbol and teaching tool for religion, despite its values as literary work.

Students should be recommended to read the Bible if the school feels so strongly in its “practical” use as literature teachings. Or have the teachers explain the important stories and style of writing, suggesting that the students follow along if they wish. But to down right require students to read it is a slap in the face to everyone who has valued the importance of keeping religion out of the government.

Would the school ever consider requiring the reading of the Koran? Or what about the book of Mormon? Of course these literary works would never be considered, mainly because of the overwhelming influence Christianity has on today’s society.

What could students possibly get from reading the book of Genesis that they couldn’t get from any other great work of literature? I managed to breeze through my 11th grade English class without ever having to pick up a bible, and I seem to be doing okay as far as literature knowledge goes right now.

Also, what will happen to the students who refuse to partake in the required reading? They school already stated that their will be quizzes and tests on the material (the book of Genesis), so does that mean if a student feels it is wrong to be forced to read the bible and doesn’t do it, he is out of luck come test time? If so, wouldn’t you think that those students wouldn’t care less of their grade by that point? If that was the case, then the school’s ploy to teach students the writing of the Bible would be a lost cause.

Requiring students to read books to better understand the English language and literature as a whole is a normal part of school. Teachers are supposed to assign work … that is their job. But to force religious teachings and preaching onto students isn’t the work of teachers or a school board … it is the work of pastors/ministers/priests.

And until West Boca Raton High School becomes a private school, requiring teachers to take the place of spiritual leaders is a crime.

We at the Noyse are furious and disappointed that this is taking place. While we value and respect the religious beliefs of everyone, we do not feel it appropriate to force religion or religious teachings upon anyone.

So we are taking action. We are doing this for all the unheard voices of the upcoming 11th grade class, who will read the book of Genesis because they have to and are unable to say no … or unable to be heard when they do say no. We are doing this for all the students who are bound to fail their tests because they refused to read the Bible as instructed. We are doing this for everyone who believes in the first amendment: The freedom of speech, the freedom of press and the freedom of religion. We are doing this for everyone who is frustrated with the State misinterpreting and reshaping the beliefs of the Separations of Church and State. And we are doing this for everyone who thinks this is down right wrong.

We are prepared to go to war over this issue. We are not afraid to make noyse, and are anticipating being heard only after we hear a lot in return. We are going to fight, and will not back down, slow down or shut up until this issue is brought into question by those with the authority to remedy the problem.

First off, we have started a petition, that we encourage everyone to sign if they wish to help us in this battle. You can view the petition here. Please, sign it and pass it along to everyone you know. The more voices who speak up, the louder we will be.

Also, we will be sending a letter to West Boca Raton High School, as well as the school district, stating our grievances, intentions and expectations. We will give them an opportunity to respond to our mission if they so choose to do so. We will inform them that while we may be a small army, we are not easy-influenced or easily intimidated, and will not go away quietly.

We will also be sending out press releases to all local media outlets (news stations, newspapers, etc.) in the Boca Raton area, exclaiming our business and informing them that a battle will be waged and to prepare for us to make some noyse. Also, everyone and anyone reading The Noyse who wishes to stand on the battle lines with us will be encouraged to contact their local media outlets as well and inform of them our mission.

Students heading into the 11th grade will be notified of our intentions and informed that they can either submit to the requirements, or stand up and make noyse along with us.

And finally, the government of Florida will be notified of the problem we see in this situation, and asked to reevaluate it as a whole. We will not beg, not plead, but insist that action be taken to prevent the students at West Boca Raton High School to be required to read the bible.

Listen to the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfV8iXiB9Xg

DH said its disgusting that he's laughing about it.

So patriotism is a mental illness.  Well, it probably is to you, so that does make sense.  Yes, mental illness is love of country, pride in the military and thanks for their sacrifices.  You don't have any of that, so you are fine.  No problem.  Glad we cleared that up.

reasoning voters.  Please excuse me for not clarifying that.

My hubs saw the "vote for Ron Paul" signs and asked me if it was a joke.  I said what do you mean, and he said, "isn't that the tranny?" 

Almost wrecked the car laughing so hard.  Had to explain to DH that the tranny is Rue Paul.  OMG LMAO!!!!

My take on your mental illness has nothing whatever to do with your political persuasion.  But you have illustrated that you are too ill to understand that.  You are annoying and I will not pay any more attention to your childish and sick comments.

Golly how many times are you going to bring this up about Clinton like it is truly important in the problems our world faces?  It's like you are completely nutso about this, over and over and over and over and over and over and over......wow!

I think it is terrifying and heart-wrenchingly sad that with the genocide, starvation, astounding poverty globally PLUS this war we have created with how many hundreds of thousands of civilians killed including babies, pregnant women, children plus the US dead and countless with TBI and amputations....that the thing that you totally obsess over is Clinton and his sex and his lie to the court over something that should never have gone to court in the first place.  JFK would have been in deep you-know-what had he ever been brought to task for his philandering....and he probably would have covered things up, too.

How pathetic that this nation is more interested in sex scandals than the multitude of catastrophic problems facing our population on this planet.  It shows how shallow and value-less we can be.......impeaching someone over sex.....how about impeaching someone over the death of 1/2 a million people for dubious reasons and political gain.....   

Obama gets voted in and Dems run the House, Senate, and WH.  Use your imagination to see how far left this country goes.

If people want to live in socialism, leave the USA as it was established (capitalism).  Go to France, etc. since it's such a great way to live.

Just because a Georgia congressman needs some publicity (like a 2-year-old, bad attention is just as good as good attention) and says something stupid, people jump all over it.

There are whackos in Congress, just as there are in the general public.  A perfect example is Michele Bachmann who trashed Obama on national television, and when she saw it backfired on her, she quickly produced a commercial saying some nonsense about her words not always coming out right but her heart being in the right place.  (And then she blamed the host of the show for tricking her into saying these outlandish things.)

After the election, she then went on to do a 180 and issued the statement below.

After suggesting that Barack Obama had anti-American views in an exchange three weeks ago with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) told Politico Thursday that she was "extremely grateful that we have an African-American who has won this year." She called his victory "a tremendous signal we sent."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/bachmann-praises-obamas-w_n_141922.html