Correction - I meant wait before assuming, not "want"
Posted By: There is another election in 2012 on 2009-01-08
In Reply to: No, I was correct 1473 days - If you want to keep it real you have to come to terms that - There is another election in 2012
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O was wise ... wait... wait... I'm rolling in the aisle.
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Osamabama 'distances' himself from every lame association he ever had with his rat pack of radical nut job friends.
And if he's lucky enough to get elected, he's going to distance himself from his fawning flock as soon as his advisors tell him there's no way in hades to pay for his free po'folk tax cuts he promised without throwing the economy into the tank.
And you also I am assuming? What would...
your reaction have been if Obama had announced he was suspending his campaign to return to Washington (his job actually, campaign not withstanding...he IS still a senator and we are still paying him)to deal with this crisis? Be honest. What would your reaction have been?
now who is assuming
talk about ass-u-me ...
Because I am a Jew I am pushing sex, violence, other "worldly" things on you? Are you saying a Jewish life is corrupt because we aren't christian? Never said you should put up with it. You should voice your feelings to the stores, television stations, magazines, etc.
I didn't say you shouldn't have your "christian things" out in public, I said, don't assume Ben Stein speaks for the Jewish community. Got your feathers a little ruffled there, didn't ya? LOL!
I'm assuming you mean....
that it would be a bad thing to be a Muslim? It's been proven for 2 years that he is not a Muslim but a Christian, but that's not the point. What exactly makes it bad to be a Muslim?
You know what they say about assuming don't you?
I'm originally from Florida, which is the melting pot of the US for race dear. I have black, white, asian, indian, hispanic, etc etc friends. My problem is with the fact that people still want to whine about "oh unequal treatment" when really all that has happened is a reversing of treatment. Now white people can't get any help or decent positions if there is a minority going for the same help or position.
But hey, you must know everything, so I digress.
There you go again. Assuming.
I spent many days writing and calling my reps.
McCain and what happened with his first wife has noting to do with voting.
You also do not know who I voted for.
O is rushing too fast in his decision making from my point of view. He's putting the cart before the horse. He's not thinking of consequences of closing Gitmo, the stimulus package, ending the war in Iraq too early, letting Geithner become head of IRS, and choosing Emanuel.
We shall see what happens, and I hope its for the best, but he should slow down and take his time before making decisions that will affect all of us in the coming years.
Assuming that you are serious in your inquiry,
my response follows:
I have, thus far, seen no credible evidence to corroborate the notion that Bush willingly lied about the situation in Iraq. The information available at the time regarding WMD may or may not have been incorrect, but it was information that was accepted at that time by the world community, and I can no more condemn Bush for believing it than I can condemn Clinton or the UN for believing it. Given the state of the country in the aftermath of 9/11, it seems to me that allowing any country to disregard a 14th or 15th UN resolution with regard to accounting for WMDs would have been seen as insanity.
Another poster said something to the effect that the truth has not been presented, and I think this is true. We hear about the activities of the insurgency in Iraq, but we do not hear about the day-to-day successes there because bombings are more sensational and a better news story. A troop of soldiers building a road or delivering medical equipment or school supplies isn't a story. Iraqis working alongside American soldiers is not a news story. Suicide bombings and allegations of prisoner abuse are more sensational, and so that is what the public sees, and the Bush administration has done a really poor job of keeping the public updated on what the military is actually doing in Iraq and what advances are being made in the war on terror, thus allowing the media to be the only voice heard.
As far as prisoner abuses go, I don't think conservatives have their heads in the sand, but I think they (I) have a somewhat more cynical attitude toward such abuses. While such abuses should never be tolerated, they will always happen. There are bad eggs in any basket, whether it be a prison or any other community of people. When those people break rules and do bad things, they deserve to be investigated and appropriately punished, but allowing and encouraging the entire community/effort to be indicted by the actions of those few is counterproductive. In the instance of prison abuses, I consider it irresponsible and counterproductive for the mainstream media to engage in what seems to me to amount to broad-scale bashing of the administration on the basis of these incidents.
I also think conservatives are more inclined to weigh these incidents against the larger picture, whereas liberals seem more inclined to see the actions as unacceptable (and rightly so) and thus to condemn the entire system (not justified, IMO). In other words, the possibility that some Iraqi detainees are being mistreated is concerning, and the situation should be corrected, but it is not an indictment against the entire military or the entire administration. Such abuses must be minimized proactivly, and when they do occur, they must be dealt with, but it is unrealistic to expect that they will not happen at all or that they are any indication of acceptable behavior standards of the military or the administration.
As far as embryonic stem cell research, I personally believe that this is an area in which agreement is never going to be possible because the basic difference is more theological than anything else. I tried to explain my position on this on the conservative board, but I did it poorly. Most social conservatives/pro-life people approach the abortion and embryonic stem-cell research issues with the innate presumption that life - the presence of a new soul - begins at conception.
Regarding your above example of weighing the cells in the Petri dish versus helping the patient with Alzheimer's, the statement of the pastor you cited seems kind and loving IF one assumes that the Petri dish contains nothing more valuable than a few cells - in other words, if you assume that it does not contain a human soul. On the other hand, in the pro-life viewpoint, if I assume that the Petri dish contains a new human soul that is to be deliberately destroyed in order to help the woman with Alzheimers, I cannot be anything but horrified that one life, through no fault of its own and through no action on its part, is considered disposable for the benefit of the other.
Many conservatives find a puzzling dichotomy between the liberal abortion/stem-cell research position and the position regarding Iraq. The liberal position seems willing to accept the possibility of killing a human soul if we don't have firm proof that it exists, but the continuing US presence in Iraq in a situation in which premature withdrawal would almost certainly lead to chaos and, quite likely, the development of a Taliban or Iran-like theocracy is anathema.
Why do these divisions exist? I think that is probably a matter of who one listens to and believes, and what mindset one takes into their research. If you approach research with the mindset that America is at fault for most of her problems, that can be supported. If you take the position that America is basically just, that position can be supported. If your morality tends to focus most on social justice, that can be supported. If your morality focuses more on individual liberty, that can be supported. With the mainstream media being considered less reliable by both sides (considered a liberal mouthpiece by conservatives and a Bush puppet by liberals), I think more people are turning to online sources for their information. The danger of that, though, is that is very easy online to find sources that cater to one's preexisting position, thus widening the divide.
If I have said anything inflammatory or disrespectful above, my apologies.
You are stereotyping and assuming......
I believe you have never taken the time to reach out to gay people and see that the lifestyle is not any different from yours. Unfortunately, your bible thumping gets in the way.
You have a lot of nerve assuming these women
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I'm not assuming you are white. I simply
meant put yourself in the role that she was in, a minority in college. You are right though, I assumed that you weren't a minority for that scenario and I apologize. And, I didn't mention anywhere in my post about Wright, I was simply referring to her as a college student and the fact that I did not think her thesis was racist.
You people on the left are always assuming you
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That’s all you got??? I was completely honest – you’re the one who did the assuming
My words were “DH works in stocks/trading”. Which he does. Not everyone who works in stocks/trading goes into an office in Wall Street or a stockbrokers office. There are many people behind the scenes that research companies, and other jobs dealing with the markets, trading, buying, selling, foreign currencies, etc. Many of them write articles for the companies who have clientele with big $$$ to be trading and selling. Many of them attend meetings, sit in on conference calls, etc. Also, many people when dealing with portfolios whether they are your own or various clients know what is going on in the world of the markets/finance. I never said he buys or sells “just for ourselves” and I never once said he went into an office or even eluded to the fact that he went into an office, so there you go again “assuming”. I didn’t divulge any information about his clients or anything, and I never said what he did except that he works in stocks/trading, which he does. By the way… there are many people out there who buy/sell stocks and currencies for themselves and makes or loses $$$ a day. Tell them they “don’t work” in trading. Your too busy wanting to defend yourself and make excuses and you’re doing a poor job at it. Next time maybe you should read a post slowly before assuming anything.
One thing I do know is there is a lot more going on behind the scenes and if the markets go up or down it is not just because of who is the president. But you only like to point that out when the market goes up. You praise the enlightened one when the markets go up and claim he has now walked on water and the stock market has gone up just because of him and he along, and yet you remain as silent as the wind when the markets go down. Can’t have it both ways.
I'm assuming you've never watched....(sm)
the full versions of his sermons, just the sensationalistic clips on Fox.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw
It's all about context.
I'm assuming you are quite young, am I correct in
that assumption?
I'm assuming that was supposed to be a picture sm
of an angry mob, but I was unable to view it, but I get it!! That's hilarious. But I will say the comment about "first they laughed and then they died" will haunt my nightmares -- not so funny.
JTBB, I have to admire your tenacity dealing with these people. Tell me, what is it like being a pariah? I know this won't jive with your atheist beliefs, but you know that Jesus was the most famous pariah, so your're in good company!! LOL
Assuming I am the nameless one....and also for the umpteenth time...
not a Republican...I call Barack Obama a socialist because he is one, not because he supports social programs (the accused Republicans do also, to a point, otherwise there would be none), but because he wants to practice redistribution of wealth...taaxing one group of people and redistributing that money to people who did nothing to earn it...including people who already do not pay taxes.
I never said Obama was a communist. He has had communist influences in his life, that is proven, he mentions the man in his book Dreams of My Father. But I have never said Barack Obama was a communist. I don't know if he is or not. I do know he is a socialist.
There you go again assuming everyone who marries is are christian heterosexuals
The middle east people don't marry according to our bible. The jews have their version, and so do all other religions. Even the bush people from Africa and Australia marry, and they don't marry based on the bible of christianity.
Talk about being screwed up! Trying to make a point with nonsense.
I sure can't want for all the states to follow suit and make marriage legal for homosexuals.
If you believe in christianity and the bible that's fine and good, but don't push your beliefs on everyone else, because we believe you are wrong.
Wait, wait - see message
I see the cloud opening and a light coming through... maybe I'm going to have an epiphany and realized I should have voted for him all along. HA HA HA
Correction!
I copied the wrong link. THIS is the link that includes the clip of him saying what he denied saying. Sorry!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/10.html#a5796
correction, *believe OR think* and *put this out there for you to THINK about.* sm
Excuse my misspellings, I'm typing too fast.
Correction
Yet, he goes on business as usual Iraq speeches, guitar playing, and everything *under the sun in response to Katrina* and not until he is criticized that he shows up for photo ops. In my mind this is criminal as well.
Correction.
Re: #4 and #22. Commas where inserted where numbers should appear. Total = 54.
Correction: Don't come here looking for you.
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correction
George HW Bush IV is the global head of investment management for now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers, not ML. Got my bankrupt companies mixed up...
Correction to above
I did find the US Code on another site. I don't know why it won't pull up on the US Code search. However, the fact is that the whole issue in the original post was regarding Obama's appearance on "Meet the Press" September 7, 2008. He has not been on there in months and the supposed author of the article does not appear to be a real person, certainly not a writer for The Washington Post, or googling his name would have pulled up an abundance of articles he had written.
Correction.
I wrote previously that you responded to my response to GP. I see now that you responded to my response to Chele.
I'm still confused by "OP," though.
Correction.
I accidentally posted the wrong link above the Norwegian MD video. It should be as it appears below. I am posting the warning again in case anyone views this without having read my other post.
WARNING. These videos are extremely graphic and quite disturbing. If you are faint at heart, have just eaten or if there are children in the room, DO NOT VIEW THESE ACCOUNTS. However, if you are interested in an unsanitized report of this conflict as seen by everybody else outside the US, take a deep breath and a long, hard look at our tax dollars at work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6ojm62qwA
Norweigian MD says he has only treated ONE Hamas military among the other hundreds of injured and dead.
Correction...(sm)
Here's what you said:
*Like it or not nations are formed through civil war. There are winners and there are losers. It's really very simple. The process has not changed for centuries and it will never change. The strong prevail. The righteous prevail. The minute we take a liberal viewpoint, that's the exact minute we become weak. *
So, the question I had was whether or not you thought Hitler was righteous, since he did prevail. (notice the lack of the word Jews in your statement above).
And yes, I did bring Hitler into the conversation. He systematically tied to wipe out a group of people, which is exactly what Israel is doing right now.
*there is a very fine line between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, a line that was very clearly crossed when just the big bag posted her Hitler remark, a line many have crossed in this discussion by likening the Gaza Strip to a concentration camp. When you say these things you have become an anti-Semitic.*
And that should mean what to me? If Israel's actions right now are indicative of Jews in general, then please by all means, call me an anti-semitic.
However, to me this really has nothing to do with Jews in general. It has everything to do with a government (Israel's) that is simply in the wrong.
How many schools have they bombed now?
Correction...(sm)
Clinton tried to kill Osama and failed. He then passed all information on to Bush, who simply ignored it for 9 months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY
Correction, I should have said
middle school.
Correction...(sm)
*do not have TVs* should have been -- do not have compatible TVs
Correction...
guy singing with his friends...and freecreditreport.com.
Correction.....(sm)
Technically, we are not in a war.
correction
it is not just republicans. there is hate on both sides.
Correction.....(sm)
It's not that we can't talk to Iranian leaders, it's that we haven't been able to talk to them in the past. You're right that the supreme leader pretty much controls everything; however, I think with what is going on right now, it's not just the president who is in jeopardy, but also the supreme leader. I don't know if you caught any interviews of Moosavi backers before the election, but they were saying what they wanted was to be more in tune with the rest of the world. They are tired of being cut off financially and socially from everyone else. If the people of Iran get their way with this election (which is iffy at best), then perhaps we could wind up with someone we could talk to.
The thing about the US getting involved is that it has to be because we were invited. If they ask for help, then I would help them. If they don't ask for help, then if we did butt in, it would again to them look like we are trying to control their govt, which is about the last thing we need right now.
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Correction, Roe, not *Rowe*
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Correction - This..."If you are not with me, you are against me."
is Bush's motto.
Correction -- *College* (nm)
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Correction...about 22 debates....nm
Correction, that should be Indonesian man by
Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen.
Slight correction
His exact words, "we can change the world." From where I sit the world could use a little improvement. It's amazing how changing 1 little word can change the whole meaning.
correction -- YOUR imagination.
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A correction to my post
Ok, now thinking about it I agree with Backwards typist and LA difference. I do believe in the death penalty for exactly the reasons they gave. When I first wrote I didn't believe in it I was thinking that I would not want an innocent person wrongly put to death. However, we do need the death penalty to deter others from doing heanous (sp?) crimes (even though it still is not enough of a deterrance for others. But I do agree that if someone takes the life, kidnap, rapes, or murders children and the innocent, those remnants of human debris do not deserve to live and sit in a jail, have a bed to sleep in, get to eat 3 meals a day, watch TV, lift weights, etc for the rest of their lives. I believe that if they are found guilty they should be brought to the back of a building, stand in front of a firing squad blindfolded and put an end to their miserable excuse of a life.
What got to me most about this post was your statement about gun control. Still does when I read it again. That actual audacity spoken about nobody needing more than a hunting rifle. As though you actually know what people need or don't need to protect themself. But then again, that is why I'm not a liberal. Not saying all liberals believe that way but most do, and most of them will be the first to enter your home and remove your guns if they had their way.
The constitution may be slowly being eroded away, but luckily nobody had taken away the second ammendment.
Correction. 2928.
Guess you still haven't thought over that obstacle the GOP has to overcome, lest they cancel themselves out of 2012.
Correction. 2928.
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correction to my post
Tonight I heard on the news there were around 700,000 people who participated. Last night I heard it was around a million. Tonight I heard it was around 700,000.
But does not change that this was a huge grass roots movement and I hope to be seeing more peaceful protests like this one.
Correction - see message
I meant "not" based on color, size, sex, or religion.
and, I meant husband "can" see marriage should be allowed for all.
Correction, he is called DUBYA sm.
His nick name is "Dubya" not shrub. I saw a post on here the other day actually wishing him, "Happy Birthday, Mr. President". Do some of you people actually think Dubya as incompetent as he is, comes on this board to see your high school fantasies?
Correction... *un* classified document.
Correction: I posted it because I know what Rush said
Clarifying the subject line. It's been a long day.
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