Conspiracy theories about Vincent Foster...sm
Posted By: Democrat on 2006-12-14
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Vincent's death will always be a mystery. I wasn't there, you weren't there, so who is to say what actually happened? Personally, I don't believe the Clintons are murderers, or at the top of some killing machine as some wing nuts suggest. That's not a small accusation, and to make the claim there should be lots of evidence to back it up.
If the Clintons were smart enough to have so many people murdered w/o a trace, then why in the world would he allow himself to be drug through the mud on a sex scandal and ML still alive to tell her story? Another mystery. And what does Vincent Foster have to do with the sex JB scandal anyway? Most of what I read is s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n. I had to say that slow because somebody going to miss it. Anyway, I have no doubt right wingers would give Regan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr the benefit of the doubt with these type of accusations flying around. I've seen it done, over and over.
Check out the link below. I don't buy any of it, but it's tit for tat since right-wingers are so sure Clinton has a stack of dead bodies somewhere. The psychology of it all is that we are more likely to trust (give the benefit of the doubt or assume innocence until proven guilty) our party.
Albeit nearly 30 years after the fact, Juanita's story is the only one that makes me say *hmmmm, maybe.* I've seen her on interviews and she seemed genuinely distraught. It is unfortunate that she waited 20 years to speak out and did not press charges (that I know of). Now her story is just, well, her story.
The rest of the women, who *claimed* Clinton raped or harrassed them turned around then and took benefit from their claims in some monetarily or fame seeking fashion. Sorry if I think their stories hold little to no merit.
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Not into conspiracy theories....
You hare serious anger issues. And other issues as well.
9/11 and conspiracy theories
For a very long time, there have been people who claimed that 9/11 didn't happen as reported. It's been claimed the black boxes were found by NYC firefighters, yet this was denied by the FBI. It was claimed that the remnants of a plant were never found at the Pentagon. There have been even more *theories* than this.
Up until recently, my common sense told me these *theories* were just ridiculous, and I never EVER gave them a second thought.
Now that I realize that every single thing this president has done has been dishonest, I'm not so sure about 9/11 any longer because I don't think there is anything this man WOULDN'T do, regardless of how heinous, to force Americans to *agree* with his policies by using fear, coercion and intimidation. Most things I used to consider to be simply *unthinkable* are quickly becoming not only thinkable but possible and maybe even likely under Bush.
Lately, when I wake up every morning, I hope I will find that the last 5 years have just been a horrifically bad dream, just like that other famous Texan: Bobby Ewing.
lol, not it isn't, it's trying to show conspiracy theories are silly no matter what.
party on
Theories
Harriett Myers has O's birth certificate in her W scrapbook.
Alberto gonzalez had it, but can't remember where he put in.
Bush's national guard commander lost it.
Scooper Libby hid it in Cheney's office.
That Clinton guy stuck it in his sock and walked away with it.
The theories run abound!
This current government is so afraid. Nobody wants to rock the boat. I think they play cautious because no one is beyond reproach, and if one goes down, they all go down, and no one wants to the start the domino effect. Maybe she just doesn't want to be vice president. She'd be next in line if Cheney is ousted. We don't have much time left.
Theories have to stay out of school?
I certainly agree religion needs to stay out of our schools except when clearly labeled for everyone to know, such as a comparative religion class or even the history of a particular religion. But no theories in school? Think about what you're saying. Or did you have a particular theory in mind, say the theory of evolution? Why is that such a hard one for some people? There's more scientific evidence to support evolution than there ever was to support the idea that this rabbi a couple thousand years ago was the physical son of God. And anyway, evolution doesn't disprove creation. You can believe there was an intelligent force behind it all and still believe that evolution was the way it was carried out. Seems like some people want to be able to name that intelligent force, and say what it wants and thinks and force those beliefs on others, though.
Vince Foster...
You are right...I was not there. But I have read the public records, and it is pretty obvious to me the man did not commit suicide. The ME at the site said he had a big wound in his neck, not in the back of his head. The *official* autopsy mentions no neck wound, and says he had an exit wound in the back of his head. I have seen the picture they took of his hand holding the gun at the scene. No blood on the gun, his hand, or his sleeve. Not massive amounts of blood at the scene like you would expect if he was shot where they found him. You tell me how someone shoots himself through the roof of the mouth and gets no blowback on the hand, gun, or sleeve. Physically impossible. I guess you also don't remember that *someone* cleaned his office out before the Park Police could get there, and documents from his office were later found in the White House private residence with Hillary's fingerprints on them...even though she swore she had not been there nor had the documents...and the fact that her aide showed the park police Vince Foster's briefcase, they all thoroughly searched it including dumping it upside down, no suicide note; two weeks later one miraculously appeared in that same briefcase. The whole thing just reeks. If he was really their friend (and he had been with them during the Arkansas days) and they were NOT involved in it, they should have pushed to have it investigated. They did not.
The only thing Vince Foster had to do with Juanita Broaddrick was the fact that knowing what happened to him, would you blame someone for not wanting to cross the Clintons? I was making a comparison, not saying Vince Foster had anything directly to do with the sex scandal. What Vince Foster had to do with was Whitewater and that mess, because he had been a partner with Hillary in the Rose Law Firm. Vince's problem was he knew too much. All that was about to hit the fan when he so conveniently *committed suicide.*
As to Juanita Broaddrick, like I said...you don't know her. I do. And I believe her. There are women every day who do not press rape charges for many, many reasons. This would have been very high profile, he was the governor of Arkansas and no one much wanted to cross him and more importantly his wife. In that part of the country they had a lot of power, and yes, there are a LOT of people who have turned up dead around them. You say coincidence, I say you gotta be kidding to say that.
It is easy for you to say it is just her story about Juanita. You didn't see how it affected her and affected her family, good people who did not deserve what happened to them. And everything Clinton did afterward just proved to me again and again he was exactly what she painted him as and worse. God willing nothing like that will ever happen to you and someone will never minimize an already horrible thing by saying your story is just, well, your story.
Time to stop beating this dead horse. You cannot be objective about it, because as you said, you are more likely to trust your party. You are incapable of looking at it objectively. Well, my friend, I have no party. Especially one that will make me take leave of my common sense. And saying you are sure that if it is Bush, or Reagan, under these accusations I would defend them...you could not be more wrong. If you would take off your liberal party hat and think about it objectively...there are way too many stories involving Bill, way too many stories involving Hillary, sex scandals, dead bodies, you name it. For you to be able to pass that off as coincidence....again I say it, that is why people look at Democrats and call them Kool-aid drinkers. Whatever the party says...becomes the truth. It's like you join and relinquish common sense.
Trust me in this...if Bill Clinton were a Republican I would be saying the same things I am saying now. I am talking about a man who happens to be a Democrat. The man is morally bankrupt and as I said and will say one more time, that is not because he is a liberal Democrat. But BECAUSE he is a liberal Democrat, his party not only enables but encourages his behavior by making excuses for him no matter what he does. And the fact that none of you seem to be able to see that and blindly defend him is just freaking amazing to me.
I have criticized Republicans; I criticized Foley. He was a deviant and he should have resigned. I would never defend him. What I did point out was that several years early a Democratic congressman admitted to actually having sex with an underage page, but publically said it was consensual and had nothing to do with his job in Congress. And what did his Democrat colleagues do? Agree with him. Censure him? No. What did his constituents do? Re-elected him. Do you see what I am talking about? Burn Mark Foley at the stake but let the Democratic congressman who actually had sex with an underage male page go right on about his business. It is a nasty, nasty double standard. The big problem is, NONE of you seem to see that it is a double standard.
By the way, I am not a registered Republican. I registered Independent, and only registered as that because you have to register as SOMETHING to vote in this country. I vote my convictions, I don't care what party he or she belongs to. However, over these last years, I have to admit, I have not seen a Democrat I could vote for in good conscience, because of this seeming inability to think for themselves outside their party. Finally you admitted it when you said *we tend to believe our party.* Except it is more than tend...it is 99.9% of the time.
I worry for all of you. Not that you care if I worry...but I do. God bless!
Vince Foster....
THat is your side. This is mine...go to this site and read....documents, pictures are there. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html
And yes, I believe Ken Starr could have been induced to be part of a coverup. Perhaps guilt over that is what drove him after Clinton in later years. Who knows? But what is at that site is certainly enough for me to have very serious doubts about Vince Foster committing suicide. I think the picture of the gun in his hand is the most damning myself. There is absolutely no blood on the gun, his hand, or his sleeve, and his fingerprints were not on the gun. Come on now...he shot himself in the head and then wiped his fingerprints off the gun???
I never said international hit men killed him. I don't believe they did. I lean more toward some of the Arkansas contingent myself. Probably some of those who later ended up dead. We will just agree to disagree. I believe the evidence on the site I posted is much stronger than Snopes, who is presenting the *government* side of it.
I wouldn't talk about *conspiracies if I were you...remember Hillary and her *vast right wing conspiracy* theory? Hillary obviously believes in them and no wonder....she has probably been in the heart of several.
Rationalizing and minimizing...excuse me. Try the truth. It is well documented that the woman who accused Bush (and also said she was gang raped by Bush and two FBI agents, who also raped her husband) was, to put it kindly, off her rocker. Kitty Kelley is the one who accused Reagan in a book about Nancy Reagan, and the actual accuser never did come forward. I have no way of knowing whether or not Reagan forced himself on that woman. I can look at the facts of the Bush case and I would highly doubt that he and two FBI agents gang-raped that woman and her husband....
gimme a break. All of Clinton's accusers knew him personally and contact with him and he paid one of them off to hush. Then there was Monica. That is a pattern of behavior, Democrat. Not anything similar to an isolated accusation made from a sick mind and someone wanting to get rich on a tell-all salacious book. Again you prove my point. To you they two are the same, and they are absolutely NOT the same. What you don't get is if it were reversed, and Clinton had the one accusation from a lunatic and Bush had women coming out of the woodwork accusing him of sexual harrassment and rape, I would be castigating Bush just like I am castigating Clinton. You have, however, proven that you WOULD NOT do so. And the majority of Democrats won't. I have NEVER heard a Democrat take Clinton to task for what we KNOW he has done, much less for what we SUSPECT he has done. And THAT, as I have said a gazillion times, IS MY POINT.
No, I have not checked out the Bush body count, was not aware there was one. Can't believe if there was anything credible it was not trotted out during the last presidential election. Are you talking about the executions while he was governor of Texas or what?
Foster her belief?????
His campaign has actually admitted they "overlooked" that information and failed to report it. Now you're saying his own campaign is a lie?
An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. -- a subsidiary of ACORN -- worked in "get-out-the-vote" projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.
yea, to foster relations.........uh, huh, that's right
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You are the one who put forth the site to foster your belief. It ...sm
was a dead end.
to foster relations with the Muslim voters...
both campaigns are needing those votes - not just Obama. There are Muslims in this country that are American citizens and they do get a vote too.
and more on Vince Foster...answers to some of your questions ala Ken Starr...
CLINTON’S LAST PHONE CALL TO FOSTER
All these inconsistencies in the Foster cover-up involve Bill Clinton’s conflicting versions of his final conversation with Foster. When first asked, Clinton said he couldn’t remember when he last spoke with Foster or what was discussed.
Number 1 version:
Date of call: Unknown
Purpose of call: Unknown
When he was asked a second time he claimed he spoke with Foster Sunday night, 2 days before his death.
Number 2 version:
Date of call: Sunday, July 18
Purpose of call: Invite Foster to movie
Clinton redrafted his story a third time, changing the date of his call to Monday, the night before Foster’s death. According to Time Magazine, at this point Clinton still maintained he was unaware of Foster’s depression.
Number 3 version:
Date of call: Monday, July 19
Purpose of call: Invite Foster to movie
When the White House Press Office announced depression as the reason behind Foster’s suicide, Clinton then redrafted a 4th version claiming the purpose of this call was to cheer up his friend.
Number 4 version:
Date of call: Monday, July 19
Purpose of call: To cheer up Foster
The question becomes, not if Clinton lied, but why he lied.
Excerpt Below: The Secret Life of Bill Clinton - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard:
I once asked a gathering of thirty Washington journalists what they considered to be the most compelling evidence that Vincent Foster committed suicide. There was a brief silence, then somebody said: ‘Well, he was depressed.’
It was a very good answer. The depression is all they have, and by ‘they’ I mean Fiske, Starr, the Justice Department, the White House, The Washington Post, the governing class. Take that away, and there is nothing left to sustain the ruling of suicide. Nothing.
‘Pontius Pilate of the Potomac’ –is how Starr was described in a blistering denunciation by James Davidson, the editor of the newsletter Strategic Investment. ‘Starr will fade, but he will not be forgotten. Historians will certainly have something to say about him. ‘When The Decline and Fall of the United States’ is written, Starr will merit a chapter. He will be seen as a weak, temporizing man who lacked the force of character to confront a corrupt system.’
I don't think it's a conspiracy ....
but the gist, that the FDA did approve it, is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verichip
There are already things a bit like this now... with implants people get being tagged for identification. (Say your body is burned in a fire. You may be traced with your fake knee.)
But I could see the government coming up with this a a tracking device for say, child molesters. I bet a lot of people would LIKE that.
Oh, do I smell conspiracy?
The plot thickens!
No, not a conspiracy....it is a game that...
the poster enjoys...though one of the standard lines is "I won't play your game" and then does exactly that. Frankly, I could not care less. The posts all say the same thing, in the flowery elitist condescending language...should be patently obvious to anyone who would like to go into the archives. But it does not really matter...the poster has made it personal, and the posts are in direct opposition to everything the posterior states are liberal qualities.
I came on this board a few weeks ago and just asked posters to define what they viewed as a "liberal." I got varying descriptions...and then I got a couple of posters who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party. And based on the description of liberal ideals of other posters, and applying that to how those same posters post...I am left with the idea that that person...the one who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party...is probably the closest to the truth. LINOs I guess. Liberals in name only.
Have a good day.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it is odd
that this was posted the same day that one of Dennis Kucinich's brothers was found dead.
Conspiracy Theory..........
Author: Taylor Caldwell
In The Captains and the Kings (1976) Caldwell takes on the global power brokers. In this book we find, running through the story line, a description of the way the international financiers and industrialists (all private consortiums owned by an elite of the world's richest families and persons) hijack governments around the globe; instigating wars and gaining control over the warring countries through manipulation of the enormous debts incurred during a war. Mentioned too is the Council on Foreign Relations; and while a disclaimer states that all persons portrayed in the book are fictional, it is clear that the Council on Foreign Relations, as well as another major organization of the globalists are both very real organizations. Also described is the idea that political systems everywhere, and certainly in the US, are almost totally dominated by the ruling elite; and that no one even gets into the running for a major political office unless the elite believes the person is under their control. It is explained that this can be direct control; e.g., the candidate takes a solemn oath to be true to that organization above all others; or indirect control: the candidate is known to have done something illegal or scandalous. The threat of public exposure can then be used to bend the person to the will of the elite. Politicians can also be compromised through a "set-up". When necessary the elite will play that hand (conform or be ruined by the controlled media). It is further explained that there have been a few who were not under the control of the elite (back in the 40s and 50s) and who had some success on their own. These individuals were not corruptible and in such cases very dirty tricks were employed against them. There is a figure in the book obviously symbolising JFK, who went along with the elitists (his father's cronies), but who once in power went his own way - resulting in his assassination.
Conspiracy theorists will never allow themselves
They are too busy spinning and doubting to embody that concept.
Conspiracy Nuts
Wow, now I know how crazy we must have looked supporting Gore in the recount and steadfastly hanging on to hope since he had won more of the popular vote. It's time to let it go and move on. Obama is the president-elect. Deal with it and focus your energy where it can be beneficial to someone. Yikes, get over it you sound like nut jobs.
conspiracy theory
Economic crisis well controlled so far, maybe to give the republicans a chance at winning and to keep Bush from being blamed. Will they let the flood gates loose in January? Let us go into full blown economic depression? So far, they have only rescued themselves, not ordinary people. Maybe there won't be anything left to help ordinary people?
You take one conspiracy nutjob
who is obviously a disturbed man who owns guns and you blame Fox News for what he did. Are you kidding me?
I've said this before and I will say it again.....Fox News has the highest ratings....higher than MSNBC and CNN combined. A lot of people are not happy with the way are country is being run and they obviously like what they hear on Fox or they wouldn't be watching it.
Fox News is not the root of all evil. Government corruption, however, is. So why don't you try holding ALL politicians accountable for their actions instead of blaming Fox News and Bush for everything.
I call it a conspiracy theory because it is...
You mention scientists, demolition experts, police, eye witnesses...but someone had to be responsible for whatever you think might have happened, and therein lies the conspiracy theory. So who do the scienists, demolition experts, police, and eyewitnesses think is behind whatever they think they know or saw? And do you have any documentation for any of this? Especially since people actually SAW the planes fly into the buildings...unless you are saying the planes were flown into the buildings to cover up the "demolition" Or the "demolition" just happened to be planned at the same time the planes flew into the buildings? And if there were no planes and the eye witneses to that (including most of the world on television) were all victims of mass hallucination...what happened to the people on those non-existent planes? They never existed either?
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. No offense intended...just calling it like it is.
oh yes -- the vast media conspiracy
to hide the TRUTH from the American public!!!!! That's rich. You're mask of sanity is slip-slip-slipping. PAY NO ATTENTION to the man behind the curtain - we at Faux are the ONLY media you can trust! Really. . . we mean it . . . we would never deceive you . . . we have Rove, Morris, Malkin, Coulter, O'Reilly, Hannity . . . a virtual treasure trove of impartial commentators.
Yay! Another conspiracy theory for your scrapbook.
You can fess up now. You're Michael Moore.
Right?
The left wing conspiracy...Hehe!
nmx
Tomy DeLay just indicted for conspiracy.
It is just one scandal after another with these guys.
Looks more like fact that the machines are flawed than conspiracy..sm
And debating about whether the machines, chads, cards, etc are functioning properly would best be done BEFORE the election than afterwards. Duh!
The pathology of the conspiracy theorist's mind
tacit dismissal. They will find flaws in this decision and hang on like mad dogs. Mark my words.
I think perhaps you are a closet republican because that is quite the conspiracy theory.
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ah...I see your post below...interresting conspiracy theory....sm
I don't agree. Bush and Cheney will be well out of it in 2009. The changes that come will be all Obamas and dem congress.
Not arguing, though... I won't waste anymore of your time.
you live in a chronic state of conspiracy theory
how sad for you 
What facts have you researched to dismiss this as conspiracy theory?nm
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Unless it's a crazy conspiracy-theory driven right winger
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Nah, just that 'vast left-wing conspiracy' thing
lot of that going on nowadays!
National security? Civil liberties? Must be socialist conspiracy
This is an amazing article that not too suprisingly will probably go unaddressed, right along with Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae corporate bailout story. The're too busy getting ready for the coronation ball. However, I just wanted to thank you for passing this along. The links and other articles also lead to some insightful and interesting reads on stories that will probably end up thrown under the royal coach. Let them eat cake!
Just stop the conspiracy by showing your BC, why hire three law firms...HMMM
Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC...HMMM
And yes, Lynn is my name, not a handle; geesh I guess another conspiracy in the making. nm
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Care to post the right fringe rumor rag conspiracy theory link
I am not into solving prevarication puzzles. Further comment might be forthcoming if you spit out precisely what you are trying to say here.
Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC, why hire three law firms...HMMM
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