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Carrying a hydrocephalic fetus doesn't put the mother at high risk. Please.. nm

Posted By: LRS on 2008-10-30
In Reply to: What? Wow.. that's upsetting to me. - mtmt

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I think the risk to the hostage is too high...(sm)
to just storm them.  France just did that to another one that had French hostages, and one of the hostages was killed during the raid.  I really don't want these guys to get away, but if we're talking about the safety of the hostage, maybe the best thing right now is to pay the ransom and then go after them.  I don't think they WANT to kill the hostage because then they get no money.  Keep in mind, this is a source of income for them  -- that's why they do it.
Like I'm really SURE any card-carrying feminist,
would support someone who is:
100% anti-abortion (in all cases, even rape); homophobic; pro-guns; so non-environmental as to not be 'green' but totally 'black' and one of those who believes that somehow the more children you produce, the more rights you have to step on those who choose not to overpopulate the planet.

Yeah, she's definitely got the feminists' vote, alright.... NOT!!!
Of course it's the fault of the terrorists for carrying out attacks.

And it's the fault of this president for obsessing about Saddam Hussein (since he's been doing since the early 1990s) and not doing enough to protect his own people from future attacks.


The terrorists have all the power here.  They're holding all the cards.  They once again managed to scare a large part of the world.  They also know something that American soldiers DON'T know.  The know what the outcome of their plan is going to be.  They use the element of surprise, and when they wake up in the morning, they don't wonder if they're still going to be alive the next day.  They already KNOW they won't be because they've planned it that way.  They control their own fate, as well as the fate of everyone who gets in their way.


Our soldiers have to deal with that every single day.  A car bomb here.  A suicide bomber there.  Every single day is 9/11 for them.  It sounds real nice to pretend to respect and honor them when participating in a photo op on an aircraft carrier.  Why doesn't he care enough about their lives to provide adequate body armor and Humvees for them?  He has no problem giving big tax breaks to his rich base (and YES, they are his REAL base, not the Christian right; just wait till he betrays you all with his moderate Supreme Court nominees). He has no problem giving free healthcare to all Iraqis. Forget about the American people for a minute. Why can't he care about our troops -- our CHILDREN -- enough to supply them with adequate equipment?  Of course, he personally would not know what constitutes adequate equipment because HE WAS TOO MUCH OF A COWARD TO EVER SERVE IN COMBAT.


As far as giving this President too much credit, you obviously didn't comprehend one word of my post.


HELLO!


The fetus belongs to God, before and after...
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Do you hear yourself? Fetus? Embryo....?
This was a living breathing infant no longer connected to the mother even by the umbilical cord. You "understand" why he took the position? The most horrific and inhumane "position" that allows a poor child to suffered alone in a dirty linen closet for 45 minutes until it dies?? I'm sorry...that is abhorrent on SO many levels. How can anyone "understand" something like that, or support someone who actually is willing to let infants die due to lack of care because someone might say it gives the infant rights?? The most innocent among us? And he says he cares about people? Please.
Wrong...when the fetus could live on his/her own outside (sm)
the mother's body and is aborted and either killed or left to lay there and die, it is most definitely murder.
Injury to fetus...........and abortion
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I have to weigh in here as someone who aborted a fetus sm
in what you would all consider late term; I had an anencephalic fetus and aborted at 30 some weeks. Am I a murderer according to your logic? I did what was right for my family and myself. And I thank GOD that I had a courageous provider who would do this for me.
While a fetus remains a part of MY body, is sure
And it will never be yours, or anyone else's.


Do you religious freaks only care about the fetus and not of
the woman that got raped, the real VICTIM?

How about ASKING HER what she wants to do with this fetus of a rapist and let her decide. Last not least it is HER body and her FETUS (at least half of it, the second half is that of a rapist), who belongs in prison!
Former 9/11 Commissioners: U.S. at Risk

Am I the only one who isn't surprised by this?? 






Former 9/11 Commissioners: U.S. at Risk





By HOPE YEN, Associated Press WriterSun Dec 4, 6:28 PM ET



The U.S. is at great risk for more terrorist attacks because Congress and the White House have failed to enact several strong security measures, members of the former Sept. 11 commission said Sunday.


It's not a priority for the government right now, said the former chairman, Thomas Kean, ahead of the group's release of a report Monday assessing how well its recommendations have been followed.


More than four years after 9/11 ... people are not paying attention, the former Republican governor of New Jersey said. God help us if we have another attack.


Added Lee Hamilton, the former Democratic vice chairman of the commission: We believe that another attack will occur. It's not a question of if. We are not as well-prepared as we should be.


The five Republicans and five Democrats on the commission, whose recommendations are now promoted through a privately funded group known as the 9/11 Public Discourse Project, conclude that the government deserves more Fs than As in responding to their 41 suggested changes.


Since the commission's final report in July 2004, the government has enacted the centerpiece proposal to create a national intelligence director. But the government has stalled on other ideas, including improving communication among emergency responders and shifting federal terrorism-fighting money so it goes to states based on risk level.


There is a lack of a sense of urgency, Hamilton said. There are so many competing priorities. We've got three wars going on: one in Afghanistan, one in Iraq and the war against terror. And it's awfully hard to keep people focused on something like this.


National security adviser Stephen Hadley said Sunday that President Bush is committed to putting in place most of the commission's recommendations.


Obviously, as we've said all along, we are safer, but not yet safe. There is more to do, Hadley said on Fox News Sunday.


Ex-commissioners contended the government has been remiss by failing to act more quickly.


Kean said the Transportation Security Administration was wrong to announce changes last week that will allow airline passengers to carry small scissors and some sharp tools. He also said the agency, by now, should have consolidated databases of passenger information into a single terror watch list to aid screening.


I don't think we have to go backward here, said Kean, who appeared with Hamilton on NBC's Meet the Press.


They're talking about using more money for random checks. Terrorists coming through the airport may still not be spotted, Kean said.


Kean and Hamilton urged Congress to pass spending bills that would allow police and fire to communicate across radio spectrums and to reallocate money so that Washington and New York, which have more people and symbolic landmarks, could receive more for terrorism defense.


Both bills have stalled in Congress, in part over the level of spending and turf fights over which states should get the most dollars.


This is a no-brainer, said Hamilton, a former Indiana congressman.


From the standpoint of responding to a disaster, the key responders must be able to talk with one another. They could not do it on 9/11, and as a result of that, lives were lost. They could not do it at (Hurricane) Katrina. They still cannot do it.


As for the dollar dispute, Hamilton said, We know what terrorists want to do: they want to kill as many Americans as possible. That means you protect the Washington monument and United States Capitol, and not other places.

Congress established the commission in 2002 to investigate government missteps that led to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Its 567-page final report, which became a national best seller, does not blame Bush or former President Clinton for missteps contributing to the attacks but did say they failed to make anti-terrorism a higher priority.

The commission also concluded that the Sept. 11 attack would not be the nation's last, noting that al-Qaida had tried for at least 10 years to acquire weapons of mass destruction.

Calling the country less safe than we were 18 months ago, former Democratic commissioner Jamie Gorelick said Sunday the government's failure to move forward on the recommendations makes the U.S. more vulnerable.

She cited the failure to ensure that foreign nations are upgrading security measures to stop proliferation of nuclear, biological and chemical materials, as well as the FBI's resistance to overhauling its anti-terror programs.

You remember the sense of urgency that we all felt in the summer of 2004. The interest has faded, the Washington lawyer said on ABC's Good Morning America. You could see that in the aftermath of Katrina. We assumed that our government would be able to do what it needed to do and it didn't do it.

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On the Net:

9/11 Public Discourse Project: http://www.9-11pdp.org/






I risk getting banned, but all I can think of
reading your post is: STUPID and living in a sdmall village in the MIDWEST, right?
Hehehehehe!
I'm sorry, but are you comparing an embryo, fetus to a turkey?!?!? And you think it is funny?!?!

I wonder if I'm the only one who finds your idea of a joke offensive.  Just when I was ready to be offended by "blob of tissue" you chime in with your turkey joke.  I'm stunned sometimes at the callousness of some people.  I don't know why I would be stunned considering the world we live in, but I still am from time to time.  Thank my Heavenly Father!  I wouldn't want to be so cold.


Those "blobs of tissue" have heartbeats.  Those "blobs of tissue" have such beauty and such potential.  Those "blobs of tissue" are alive.


No, They are willing to risk it to "save the economy"
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At the risk of sounding cold
I agree that it is a terrible thing that there has been no social security increase for 2 years. However, I must point out that I have actually seen a decrease in my income in the last 2 years. While I don't believe that they should be punished in their golden years, point of fact is that most of them do have their houses paid off. Their families are grown and gone. They are eligible for Medicare.

I believe it is endemic of the economy as a whole...obviously, if there's nobody working, there's nobody paying into social security. However, things are just as bleak out here for those of who who constitute the younger working poor, with mortgage/rent payments, medical insurance (if we can even get it), families to feed and dress, etc.
At the risk of being called one of the religious fanatics....
and lumping everyone together in one pile is not fair may I say...you believe in choice. You are taking choice away from the child. If the child was able to speak I am relatively sure it would not choose to be exterminated like vermin. You want to give all the power to the woman over her body...perhaps she should take some responsibility for that body and not fall back on extermination as a method of birth control. If abortion was stopped for all but rape, incest, and endangering life of the mother hundreds of thousands of babies would be saved every year. What happened to responsibility? Why was that abandoned in the name of choice? If you can speak for the choice of the woman, why can't some of us speak for the right to life of the child? If she has it and drowns in 10 days later, she is tried for murder. What a difference 10 days makes, eh??

As far as jobs going overseas...when our government taxes businesses into oblivion (happens in every Dem admin) jobs go overseas. Because we have the next to highest business taxes in the entire world. That discourages businesses coming here also...and the jobs those businesses would create...as well as sending jobs from here offshore. Or they close completely, and jobs are lost. I have gone up steadily in earnings since the Clinton administration. I am doing much better now than I was then.

Socialism (redistribution of wealth) does not work either. It never has. Cuba, Venezuela...it never works. All that happens in socialism is eventually the middle class disappears, and all you have is the upper crust (govt and cronies) and the rest of the people. And in that case the money stays at the top...it never quite gets to the "people" where it was promised it would go. I imagine the Venezuelan people are still waiting for their oil checks since the government took it over. Socialism doesn't work. It is a myth to get people to give over the power to the power brokers...in our case, the DNC. Be careful what you ask for....
The child would be more at risk due to the enlarged ventricles and
pressure on the head. However, since you already know the child has hydrocephalus before she is born, you can make the choice as I did for C-section. I've done a lot of research on hydrocephalus the last 8+ years and I agree... this would not put the mother at high risk. And, hydrocephalus is not an immediate "vegetable" diagnosis by any means.
At the risk of hastening my descent into the brimstone
I almost think you're the one who is making religion almost too easy. It doesn't seem to matter what kind of a scumbag you are, as long as you believe Jesis died for your sins. Which explains a lot about some of what the "faithful" have said. You have no reason to lead an upstanding life...as long as you believe, you can break every commandment and still bask in your god's glory. Nice...maybe I've been going about this all wrong. Contrary to what you may think, I do believe in Jesus, the trinity, etc. But I somehow had the misguided notion that God judged us based on our character. Boy, have I been wasting a lot of time and patience.
Okay, well at the risk of starting a world war, that link does not work.
It says Page Not Found.  It appear Starcat was able to see it.  Evidently, it really IS a left-right problem.
JBB, I like your thinking, but at the risk of "beating a dead horse," .......
Buy new computers = putting money in the economy = jobs for people to build computers.

Those computers are built in Japan, China, Korea, and almost every place in the world BUT the USA.

Just like last year when we got our "stimulus check." The only economies jump started, if any, were the ones overseas when everybody bought their TV's, computers etc.

Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm

In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."


Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.


He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.


Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man?  Unless he has the same view of America.


Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm
It does not count because its in the bag that our 3 electoral votes will go to the republican party.
high five!

It's a big country - enough sunshine for all of us.


 


Are you high?
Why don't you blame him for your hemorrhoids while you're at it.
When I was in high school ...
Spanish and French were both offered. They were optional, however. I don't think we should REQUIRE any child to learn a second language. If they want to, fine. And Obama makes the point that most French, Spanish, etc. are bilingual...speaking English AND their native language. Well, duhhh. Of course they do. How else do they cater to American tourists, the lifeblood of several European cities. Or cater to American business. If I moved to France and was going to live there, I would learn French. If Mexicans are going to immigrate and live here, they need to learn English. Where's the rub?

We don't compete with overseas MTs because they are bilingual, trilingual, or multilingual. We complete with them because they will do what we do for a whole lot less money. End of story. Then it has to be run back through American editors to good ENGLISH. Not good INDIAN, FRENCH, SPANISH, et al. Not a real good argument. And I don't know how our children speaking Spanish or French is going to help them unless they plan to move to Spain, Mexico, or France. Last time I checked, speaking Spanish or French did not pay the bills either.
LOL. High regard. nm
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high horse?
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Oh, get off your high horse.... I'm sure you
have had nothing to say when McCain and Palin are being kicked about here. Your true colors are showing!
I have to say that I did see a lot of high school age...sm
kids standing behind him at his rally yesterday.
Right, because you are too high on the Obama
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Prices were very high
There were no bargins this summer. Everything was very expensive. Cheaper to shop in US.
Still in junior high?
Be gone.
How can you have a high rating without doing anything yet?
Oh, I forgot. Dems + hook + line + sinker = Fauxbama for Prez.

Change, change, change.
Hope, hope, hope.
Bull, bull, bull.
Regressive right = junior high

This was just so highly amusing, I couldn't resist I had to share.  I hope it makes you smile, it did me!


http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/21/5933/


mile high stadium

It is a big venue because of the huge number of people who want to be part of the historic event of our first black candidate's acceptance speech. I see it as a defining moment in our history and I am pleased that he wants to include as many as possible.  Wish I were there.  Still, the flight suit . . .


 


Were you the bully in high school too?
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Don't foget the get'n high part.
Ain't politics grand?
Agreed, The stakes ARE high. nm
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High School Politics
So I've kinda realized something lately. The presidential election is very similar to a high school election this time around:

~In high school, you usually have a couple of candidates, but it usually narrows down to two. Usually you have one candidate who will promise the stars and the moon in the form of soda machines, more "senior lunches", more time off, etc. Now we all know full and well that a high school class president can't get these things, but he will say he can. Usually the candidate that can promise the most is the one that wins.

~Don't forget, in high school it's also a popularity contest!

~Oh yeah, and if it's two guys, most of the girls don't care what they say, they just vote on the cutest one.

~90% of the voters never even hear what the candidates have to say. They usually just vote off of what everyone else says or who is their buddy.

~In the end, nothing changes at the school. Still the same amount of vending machines with crappy food, still only get one senior lunch per month, and if anything, you lose a few days off.

Now tell me this doesn't sound at all like what is going on right now?
Better the high horse than the low road....nm
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They just want to see us come down from our imperial high horse.
That's all.
I did respect Bush, not in a high-regards, but I did..sm

Everything about Bush's administration was not all bad, but 98% of it was.  I did not vote for him for either term, but I did respect him as our country's president.  All of the people against President-Elect OBAMA are knocking him before even giving him a chance. 


I am thankful for a change.  Anything has to be better than what Bush has given us for the last 8 years.  People say we are doomed, this country is going down.  Bush started that roller coaster ride quite some time ago.  President-Elect Obama can now run this country down any more than Bush has already done.  Besides, it will take some time to sift through all of the mess that Bush created.


By the way, many have said that Obama will be killed.  If no one stepped up to the plate to take first dibbs at Bush for what he has done to this country, Obama will be just fine.  He is in God's hands and God will take care of his own.


For once, it would be a great accomplishment if we all came together as Americans instead of being divided, mostly by race.  Sad fact is most people are still very prejudice and will never get past the color of one's skin color.


Flying in high style........sm

I realize he already owned the jet, but REALLY!!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454844,00.html


High winds - now that's funny
You know I'd still put Athiest in your name. Last I knew it was a free country and we are free to believe whatever we want. I'm not Athiest, but I'm not Christian or any other religion either.

I'm not so much ashamed of my heritage, I'm more ashamed of the ignorant people (like my brother). He's my brother and I love him but I just wish he would think before he speaks.

I am proud our country has come as far as it has in the fact that we can have anyone as a president and color doesn't matter anymore. America has progressed and that is good, but just the way some people portray it that they don't know anything about him, his issues, voting record, what he's going to do for the country, they're just glad a black man is in there, and then to hear Obama talk race all the time. That's when I think to myself....I'm so ashamed. But am sure it will get better.

Thanks for your words. Look forward to those high winds. HA HA HA
You are living in some high a.. place and I wish
the lake front property I sold about a year or so ago had gone per acre what they said yours was worth, oops, lacking $10 it did sell for that much. Am not good with math. The taxes on that were not much, thank goodness because my own home taxes were quite high. Seems like when 1 place comes down (or off) then somewhere else taxes it back on. Close to me in Atlanta last year water restrictions on due to drought- people followed and now the rates for water have gone up.
Fox ratings are at an all time high because...(sm)

as we all know, it's hard to look away from a train wreck. 


I think the Simpsons had a big run on ratings like this at one point.  That show was also fiction.


Fox ratings are at an all time high because
people are hungry for the truth. You want to believe it is fiction, but the numbers speak for themselves. This is their 9th year and building. Even CNN is 3rd now and fighting back. What do you expect from Immelt and Zucker on MSNBC? Ms. Maddow is really showing her ignorance to say she does not know the purpose of the Tax Day Tea Parties. This is grass-roots America speaking up. I gotta admit, its not nearly as juicy as soap opera using an unwed teen pregnancy to keep the subject off the REAL soap opera that was happening at G20 and tour. That is what was hilarious!
My son is being told in high school
in a lot of his classes that there will not be SS anymore in the near future. SS will be gone.
If it's high you flash it, if it's low you hide it.....sm
like everything else, isn't it?
Huh.......must be that PT mother you so
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How many did your mother have?
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