Can't have your cake and eat it too, don't you want your husband, son, daughter...sm

• Posible new "boon" to the economy? Higher minimum wages??.....PSM - Cyndiee
  • You are forgetting...........sm - m
    • How about this...(sm) - Just the big bad
      • EXACTLY!! - Marmann
        • That's why... - mythbuster
          • If the profit factor (insurance companies)... - Marmann
    • So we offer substandard wages and attract more people to welfare???...sm - Cyndiee
      • Like I said..........sm - m
      • They want it both ways, Cyndiee. - Shirley U. Jest
        • Can't have your cake and eat it too, don't you want your husband, son, daughter...sm - Cyndiee
          • I just cannot grasp the fact that you can't buy shampoo - sm
            • I buy the cheapest stuff on the shelf.... - sm
              • And that is one of my biggest problems, unfortunately....sm - Cyndiee
                • To Cyndiee: - Marmann
                  • Thank you so much for your care! And I will be praying for you....sm - Cyndiee
            • Let me guess...(sm) - Just the big bad
              • wow, nasty this morning,,, - sm
                • It's glaringly obvious who has the attitude here...(sm) - Just the big bad
                  • thanks sweetie, i appreciate that! - nm
            • What a snooty post, no,we have PAID OFF all debt, own our home,,,,sm - Cyndiee
              • What does living in the northeast have to do with anything... - huh
                • No, do your research. In the Northeast we have some of the....sm - Cyndiee
                  • HELLO, yes, I do... - huh
                    • I would never earn a martyr badge, and again, I am not complaining...sm - Cyndiee
              • You have such a better-than-you attitude, I can't stand to read your posts anymore. - hypocritical
                • You are SO WRONG about Cyndiee - MTPockets
                  • Applauding! Great post. (nm) - Marmann
                • Did you even read the thread at all? No preaching, no judging, ....sm - Cyndiee
              • Nothing snooty my dear... - sm
                • GOT TO earn $70K?????? - judytee
                • How nice for you, but how does this apply to the political topic.....sm - Cyndiee
                • You are right...it was beyond snooty! - Shirley U. Jest
                  • Oh please, it's the truth.... - sm
                    • Not snooty..just ignorant - MTPockets
                    • You have nicely defined snooty for everyone,thanks......nm - Cyndiee
                      • Cyndiee, you hang in there girl, I am - MTfromLA
                        • Ditto! I enjoy her posts, as well. (nm) - Marmann
                        • I'm with ya, friend, thanks for posting, actually, ....sm - Cyndiee
              • Also, because we are white middle class and have a house, we are putting kids through college, ever - Cyndiee
  • It doesn't seem that you have thought - No, no, no.
    • Number one, less peole SHOULD eat at McDonalds, some of the most unhealthy eating habits...sm - Cyndiee
    • You are absolutely right! - Shirley U. Jest
      • The point was.......... sm - m
        • Can anyone say "spend your $$$ wisely?" Do you realize their profit margins over the years?.. - Cyndiee
          • Cyndiee, why can't you just say - No, no, no.
            • The price of shampoo or McDonalds WAS NOT my original post at all.....sm - Cyndiee
              • Big Macs and shampoo......sm - m
                • You know, I had forgotten about the old - MTfromLA
                • Like the commodities idea...thanks for your post!...nm - Cyndiee
              • I think you have me confused - no, no, no
                • Not THE solution, but perhaps one of many? sorry I put an idea out there for discussion, didn't - Cyndiee
    • And think of the small business owner...sm - Confetti
      • With the stimulus package there are built in tax credits for small businesses and SBA...sm - Cyndiee
        • minmum wage - sasha
          • Agree a lot; but can we consider that the President only in for a month??.....sm - Cyndiee

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If this man will lie about a GI bracelet, what WON'T he lie about?  Come on, y'all! Wake up!

I didn't copy the entire thing (no no, right?).  It appears that you'd have to go to the site to download it.  Keep an eye out to see if the drivebys (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NPR, NYT, etc.) mention it.  I'm hoping they'll have no choice.  There will be a ton of crying and hand wringing beforehand, you can be sure if it ever happens at all.

(H/T D. Keith Howington of www.dehavelle.com)

http://tinyurl.com/45q5r6
or:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-media
Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet... Where is Media?
By Warner Todd Huston
September 28, 2008  

Barack Obama played the "me too" game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.
Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son's name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.
Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show "Route 51" asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama's positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son's name on the campaign trail.
Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because "she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan's name." Jopek went on to say that "she wasn't looking to turn it into a big media event" and "just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself." Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.
But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son's sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte. This begins at about 10 minutes into the radio program. (Download radio show HERE)    (H/T D. Keith Howington of www.dehavelle.com)

Hi, GP.

I had posted this a few days ago; it's down the page somewhere, but, in true Bush style, he is taking care of his "base" right up until the end.  I apparently failed to provide the link when I posted it, but anyone interested can just Google the title below, and multiple links will pop up.

I'm thinking the "trickle up" theory is how things SHOULD be.  ALLOW the little guy at the bottom to be ABLE to afford a 1989 clunker; allow the guy who's a little above that to be ABLE to afford maybe a 2000 Chevy Cavalier, and ALLOW the guy who's standing on the next rung of the ladder upward to buy a new Mustang.  The guys who are standing at the top can still afford their Porsches and Benzes, but EVERYONE would have access to some things in life that most of us feel are essentials, not luxuries.  Probably won't be too many new American cars to buy, though, because there isn't a level playing field when it comes to "free trade."  I personally think this whole "free trade" thing should be scrapped and reinvented so that it benefits American CITIZENS and not just American EXECUTIVES.

Instead of sneaking a little "P.S." in the middle of the night like Bush did to make sure his rich criminal buddies get their bonuses, why NOT start the "trickle-up" program and make them work for their bonuses?

"Trickle down" simply doesn't work because nothing is "trickling."  The greediest at the top (Bush's base) are the ones who are benefiting, and the most needy (formerly known as the "middle class" and Obama's "base") are being stomped on BIG TIME. 

Frequently, this whole mess reminds me of the movie "Trading Places," where two rich old men play with and manipulate the lives of two people and create havoc -- all for a ONE-DOLLAR BET.  If it didn't feel and sound so familiar to what Americans are experiencing today, it might even be funny.  Instead, it feels like we're all being manipulated on a much more sinister level.

I think someone should force Bush, Cheney, Paulson and a few other "elites" on Wall Street to empty their pockets before they leave Washington, since one of the conditions of the Wall Street bailout was that it would all be done in secret, with no transparency, and no list of the recipients of what is now trillions of dollars.

I can remember my mortgage when trickle down Reaganomics was going strong.  The interest was 16-1/2%.  This is how we got here.  Time to trickle up.

Bush Administration created executive pay loophole

The Bush Administration inserted an eleventh-hour provision into the $750 billion bailout bill to protect executive bonuses, a single sentence that will torpedo efforts to reduce bonuses even as companies slash tens of thousands of jobs and use taxpayer money to gobble up other companies at fire-sale prices.

Pressured by constituents who worried that companies would take government aid and continue to pay their executives eye-popping bonuses, Congress inserted a provision that would penalize companies who took taxpayer money and shelled out outsized bonuses.

But at the last minute, Bush officials insisted on a one-sentence provision that stopped the measure in its tracks, according to congressional aides who spoke to the Washington Post.

The change stipulated that the sanction would only apply to firms that sold mortgage backed securities to the government at auction, which the Bush Treasury Department said would be the method they'd use to infuse troubled companies with bailout cash.

"Now, however, the small change looks more like a giant loophole, according to lawmakers and legal experts" who spoke to Post reporter Amit Paley. "In a reversal, the Bush administration has not used auctions for any of the $335 billion committed so far from the rescue package, nor does it plan to use them in the future. Lawmakers and legal experts say the change has effectively repealed the only enforcement mechanism in the law dealing with lavish pay for top executives."

"The flimsy executive-compensation restrictions in the original bill are now all but gone," Sen. Charles Grassley, a Republican from Iowa and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, told Paley.

According to Paley, "The final legislation contained unprecedented restrictions on executive compensation for firms accepting money from the bailout fund. The rules limited incentives that encourage top executives to take excessive risks, provided for the recovery of bonuses based on earnings that never materialize and prohibited 'golden parachute' severance pay. But several analysts said that perhaps the most effective provision was the ban on companies deducting more than $500,000 a year from their taxable income for compensation paid to their top five executives."

This amendment to the Internal Revenue Code was the only part of the bailout measure that had an explicit enforcement mechanism.

Bush officials initially opposed executive compensation rules. Banks, in particular, had been taking heat for "golden parachute" cases, where top executives received lavish pay upon their departure even if they'd done a poor job leading their company.

It remains unclear whether the Administration ever intended to limit executive pay -- if perhaps they knew in advance that Treasury didn't intend to buy mortgage assets at auction all along -- as they'd told Congress.

her Master degree in business.   She has a beautiful little 4-year-old son born in wedlock. I a progressive politically.  Boggles the mind doesn't it.

did a study group at home but couldn't accommodate parking without bothering her neighbors, then she needs to get her behind out and go to a library or something.

I'm not saying that it's the neighbor's fault.  At this point what all of us know about this case is speculation, and that amounts to squat.  So at this point we don't know if they just had mean neighbors, or if the couple was in a war with the neighbors, or if it was or wasn't a hit against christianity, or about 100 other things that could have played into it.  That is the point of my post....to point out that this could be the result of a lot of things, not necessarily just to get at christians.  I think way too much has been assumed in this thread about the situation.

I mentioned nothing of her political opinions or what she "thinks." I merely said I baby-sit for her occasionally and use her computer.  for you to try to drag her into your accusations is typical of what I have seen happen on the other board.  It's inflammatory and untrue, but it's how you people seem to create your "facts." I can assure you that my daughter has her own political opinions, and she and I don't always agree, unlike you, but we at least respect each other's right to their opinion and often have respectable, interesting, informative debates with each other.  She was taught respect and learned it very well. You can't hold a candle to the intelligent, respectful young lady that she is, so don't even try because you're way out of your league. As far as going back to the conservative board, thanks, but no thanks. I've already explained my reasons for not going back there any more. People are much more respectful of differing opinions on this board.

My post to gt was simply to tell her that I understand what it's like to be accused of all sorts of things simply because you post on a board.  It happened to me on the conservative board on my first (and last) visit there, which is why I won't return.

Do I think some of the things gt said were over the top?  I sure do.  Do I understand why she said them?  My guess is that she was trying to communicate with you in the only way you seem to understand, since civil attempts don't seem to work with some of you people.  I think I can "understand" her motives, just like some of you "understand" why Eric Rudolph murdered innocent people. And between the two, I'd much rather try to "understand" gt than "Eric" (as he appears to be affectionately referred to elsewhere on this board).

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

works for BP. Oil, you know.

employees would have said what was said to you, he would have fired them.....period. 

Especially with times right now, these salesmen need to wise up.  It isn't like it used to be.  Salesmen used to be able to sit at their desk and wait for the customers to come to them.  Now they actually have to work hard to get people in, get them interested in a vehicle, etc.  This economy is definitely going to weed out the bad salesmen because they won't be able to survive.