Bravo! Excellent post. (sm)
Posted By: Marmann on 2009-02-23
In Reply to: Sadly, the haters started to hate him way before he even took office....sm - Cyndiee
And 100% accurate. I was reading the same posts you were reading. Anything -- and I mean ANYTHING -- they could do to obstruct, they did, just as the Congressional Republicans are doing now.
Obama has kept his word about bipartisanship and has tried to include the Republicans -- meeting with them several times -- but it's a waste of time because they're more interested in obstructing everything Obama does instead of working together with him.
It seems as if some Republican governors are at least giving Obama a chance and trying to work together with him, or at least the Republican governors who care about the citizens they govern do. I think most people can see the pathetic tantrums thrown by Congressional Republicans for what it is.
As far as Bush, I never voted for him, but I wasn't against him, either, at first. In fact, the day he stood in that rubble at "Ground Zero" with that megaphone, I actually began to respect him.
However, that was short lived because once I realized that he was incapable of telling the truth, I lost any trust for him that I had had. It was his ACTIONS that made me feel that way, not his party affiliation.
The PALPABLE hatred for Obama is overwhelming on this board and has been since well before the election.
(Obama now has the same powers that Bush had. Perhaps THAT'S the problem!) 
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Bravo to another person that *gets it*. Awesome post! nm
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Excellent post. Thank you. NM
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Excellent post!!!
My sentiments exactly!
Excellent post
You hit the nail right on the head.
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What an excellent post! Very well thought out.
PS - I did not know hersey moved. I always thought they made all their candy in Hershey PA (I went to the factory when I was little). I'm no longer buying that brand anymore.
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Excellent post!
I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote, right down to getting rid of Pelosi! Bravo! 
Excellent Post.
One of Clinton's major mistakes when he took office was appointing people with little or no experience.
Excellent post - Thank you
It gets so frustrating to have to repeat this over and over and over. The people (or most) that voted for him knows this to be true but they don't care. They don't care that the possible next prez is not US natural born. They don't get it and they don't care. They don't care that our constitution is being violated. Having him in there is going to open a lot of flood gates from people all around the world to now apply for the position of Prez. His staunch supporters knows this and to get around it they will call us sore losers, sour grapes or any other derogatory comment they can think of. For me it's not that I wanted McCain in cos I didn't. I just want the constitution to be followed and a US Citizen to be picked for our president. Then you've got the O strutting around trying to ignore the facts and get away with it. If he is elected by the electorates coming up in a couple weeks, then our constitution and laws mean nothing. Anyone is going to be able to do anything they wanted. Heck, I didn't want Hillary, but at least it's legal if she gets in. Then there is Kucinich, Clinton, and the others who ran. They are all US born, but has to make you wonder why the O skirted up so fast without having to prove anything. Really makes you wonder why he was picked and who was on the COB that picked him.
Thank you for your well thought out post. I'm glad I'm not alone in knowing something is just wrong with this whole thing.
Excellent post....(sm)
I noticed she has several more on there. I'll have to go through them when I get a chance. Thanks.
Excellent post. Thanks.
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Excellent post, sm!!!
I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote. I hope you keep writing posts like this. It's one of the reasons I keep visiting this board.
Hope is something that's been lost for some of us for almost a decade now.
I admit that I'd lost mine, but now I do somewhat have it back. I want to keep it, and that depends on MY actions and the actions of other Americans who also believe in hope.
I think yesterday's plane wreck in New York into the Hudson River is an excellent example of what truly patriotic Americans do when faced with a deadly situation, and it makes me seriously wonder what some on this board would have done if faced with the same situation.
WE need to change this country if we want change. We will soon have a President who actually knows "we" exist and that not all Americans are billionaires. We will have a President who can easily tell you how many homes he owns. We will have a President who will treat the rest of the world as if they are human beings, certainly something they haven't felt in the last eight years and the main reason why the USA was so hated under Bush.
It was "us" who voted Obama into office. I'm (hesitantly) hopeful and happy, and I'm glad I was one of "us," because from what I read on this board, being one of "them" must be a very sad and dreary existence.
Either way, we are ALL Americans, so we can all either get together and help make this country a better place, or some of us can just continue to moan and groan and complain about how bad things will be under a President who has yet to even be sworn in.
I never complained about Bush until he did things to deserve it. The same with Clinton (and, yes, I DID complain a lot about Clinton's actions which I felt were very disrespectful to the Office of the President). I will not complain about Obama UNTIL I truly have something to complain about.
He will be the first black American President, and as such, he has a much higher burden to haul than any white guy if there is ever to be a second black American President.
I'm willing to give him the chance. 
Excellent post!
You nailed it again!!! 
Excellent post! (sm)
"Insults in, insults out." You nailed it.
Earlier today, I finally got sick and tired of all the insults, and I started firing back.
Then I realized that I had sunk down to their slimy level and became someone I normally am not.
I think if religion is removed from the Politics Board and is put where it belongs, on the Faith Board, this might be a more meaningful place to discuss political ideas.
However, for me, it's become too toxic of a place. I can't believe these self-described "Christians" harbor so much hatred and rage. It's really quite frightening at times because I'm not sure there's a limit to what they are willing to do to get their way and overturn the will of the American people.
I think I'm much better off leaving this board for a while and letting the goodness and happiness of life flow back into me because each time I visit here, it really brings me down.
I feel sorry for these people. I hope they someday can look into their hearts and souls and feel some happiness and joy. You are right that their hatred isn't contagious, but neither is joy and happiness. That has to come from within, and I suppose, with all the rage and hate they possess, there just isn't enough room for goodness and light to enter.
Your posts are great. Please keep posting. As for me, I just can't take this hatred any more and need (at least) a break.
Here! Here! Excellent Post!!
Very well stated! I'm with you!!
Excellent post!
Thanks for taking the time to respond to the OP.
Excellent post
Very well said. I actually don't know where I fall politically. I'm not in any party. I just consider myself a patriot. Loved my country enough to join the service and protect it if we went to war (back when Reagan was president). I don't hate Obama and I don't love Obama. I didn't hate McCain and I didn't love him. I think each had their own qualities. Both had ideas they wanted to present to get the country out of the mess we're in. Both loved our country enough to want to make it a better place. There were a lot of other candidates who I felt were much better for the position (R. Paul, D. Kucinich, B. Richardson, and D. Hunter). I think each of them had excellent ideas and qualities. Unfortunately the better ones were pushed aside and this is what we were left with. No choice.
I too do not like being lumped in any political category. I'd like to be able to state how I feel about a topic without being jumped on and called names.
My biggest problem now is that everything is being controlled by one party. My understanding is the government is supposed to be working for us, but unfortunately that is not happening. They are working for themselves and making themselves richer while they destroy the economy along the way and they just don't care.
So it would be nice if we could speak how we feel about an issue on this board without being called names. I'm a person first. A person with very strong feelings and beliefs and it has nothing to do with party affiliation, it has everything to do with being true to my beliefs.
I'm glad there are people like you on this board and all the people that replied to you stating they feel the same way. At least I know I'm not alone.
Excellent post!!!!!
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Excellent post!
I agree wholeheartedly.
Here here - Excellent post
Thank you. Nancy Pelosi needs to be right up there as #1 co-conspirator.
Excellent post. . . . you are so right on
There is nothing enchanting going on in DC. It is time for us to speak out against all the double standards. It is time for the government to fear the people and the people to fear God instead of denying Him and putting their faith and trust in the government!
Excellent post, Reader.
You really hit the target:) And of course, you are absolutely correct. MT has no credibility here, she blew it herself.
And I totally agree with you about lying - that is one thing liberals on the whole despise, but something you'll NEVER find the Cons stating that they hate. They can't, because it's just too easy to prove that lying is a Con way of life and they know it. So they attack us instead:) It's all they've got.
Excellent post, Starcat. (SM)
I suggest we don't feed the trolls. They thrive on it. I personally don't want to encourage them.
Excellent post. Thanks, Lurker.
Fear and ignorance. The only way Bush knows how to lead.
Excellent post! You're 100% right.
Liberals run in tolerant circles. The thought of others letting them *get away* with their own personal freedom of speech doesn't even occur to them. They don't demand that every single American follow in step and say the *right* words...or else. They promote truth and honesty and detest dirty tricks and lies that are designed to benefit the rich, while the poor work harder and get poorer.
I remember once upon a time when people like that were called Americans!
Excellent post, Teddy!
Thank you for your eloquent post. Hopefully, the trolls won't come out to tell you that you are guilty of treason and should leave the country because YOU are not willing to avert your eyes and do not pretend we do not commit atrocities.
You are in good company:
*Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere* Martin Luther King
*The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it* Albert Einstein
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Excellent post and observation
You saw the same thing I did too. The Queen would never be so low class to point out one's error in front of others. MO should not have put her hand on the Queen's back, shoulder or touched her anywhere. She should have shook her hand and that was it.
Wow! Excellent and Intelligent Post
This is a very well written post. It is very refreshing.
I couldn't have said what you said better - this is perfect. Thanks for posting!
Excellent post!!!! - sorry I'm a little late saying so.
Just read it. Thanks for the reply.
I agree excellent post! One that has to make one think.
I own Mississippi Burning. Good movie.
Excellent, common sense post!
Great points!
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Excellent Idea -- not even inadvertent "sam" post
Excellent post - best I've seen in a long time
Thanks for posting. I really wish more people would think like this. I just want someone qualified who will do what is best for the people of the country. It's just not happening and hasn't been for some time. Forget the name calling and who started it. All I know is it's broken and needs to be fixed and this is an excellent way to fix it.
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Bravo!!!!
Your post was wonderful, articulate and right on target.
They haven't been able to bait people on their own board recently and hurl their venom, but they need their "fix," so they come here instead and try to start trouble. I agree that you shouldn't respond to them any more. Why give them what they want?
Bravo!
Thank you for such an eloquent post.
Have you ever noticed the disconnect between those who are in favor of Bush? The richest of the rich and those who are very highly educated and then those who aren't so rich and educated, with all the rest of us in the middle. The richest of the rich don't have to worry about Roe because if it's gone, they can afford to go to another part of the world.
And our country absolutely does not deserve the autocratic theocratic government that has been forced upon us. One of the wonderful things about America is diversity of religious beliefs. What really frightens me about all this is that the war on terror is quickly becoming a "Christian versus Muslim" war. Tom Tancredo from Colorado recently suggested boming mosques. If we choose to turn this into a religious war, we are diminishing the importance of it and diminishing our country as a whole, regardless of faith, to bond together and be united against the war on terror.
As far as the shoe being on the other foot, from what I've personally witnessed by some of these people, they feel the shoe has been on the other foot for years, that they've been ignored, and now is their turn to take control. They typically blame minorities and women for taking all the "men's jobs," blame the "liberal mainstream media" for virtually everything, and are suddenly feeling empowered after they felt beaten down over past years of tolerance and reasonableness, when they couldn't impose their prejudices and anger and religion on the rest of the country. It's as if a smoldering volcano has erupted, and they are spewing out all the negative things that have been keeping inside in all these years past when fairness prevailed in this country. They don't want to be just one of many religions in this country. They want to be the only one that counts, the one that they can write laws to revolve around.
They want to end Roe. They are against any contraception products that go against "the will of God." They want to control what happens in your home, in your family, in your bedroom. They want to control what you see on television. They want to control who you love, whether or not it's legal for you to love who you love. They want to take science backwards in the name of "God" and prevent stem cell research that might save the lives of their parents, sisters, brothers, and/or children who are already here. They holler and scream at and actually kill those who respect a woman's right to choose. They put more value on a petrie dish full of inanimate cells than they do on people who are already born, but you never hear them even whimper a word of disdain when children in our country are being molested and murdered on what seems like a weekly basis during this year alone. They want to control when you're born and when and how you die.
In short, they want to control not just the lives but the very SOULS of every single person in this country, and they detest anyone who disagrees with them.
You're right: 51% is no mandate, and after the 2000 selection, there are still some who aren't sure that Bush actually won in 2004. They don't even realize that Bush is really on the side of the rich and not on their side. They continue to defend and justify every action of Bush and those in his administration, whether it's actually something that defendable or justifiable or not –- such as entering into a bogus war based on lies and/or exposing the identity of a CIA agent working on WMD (in a time of war), both done purely for personal reasons and never really caring what's best for this country.
They sqawk about a lack of morals in this country, yet they don't think it's immoral for Bush to exploit the tragedy of 9/11 in order to scare the American public into agreeing to a war that Bush came into office with the intention of waging, long before 9/11 happened. He lied to Congress, and he lied to the American people. That's about the most immoral thing I've ever seen a president do. I never thought a President could actually make Nixon look GOOD, but Bush has done that 1,000 times over.
IMHO, we're heading down a very dangerous road in this country, and I hope America wakes up before it's too late.
Bravo!
One thing that wasn't mentioned was the vile increase in gas prices, which will also result in much higher heating costs this winter for many people. That's an increased cost experienced by most Americans, which also effectively cuts their net income. The rich, who keep getting richer under Bush, will easily be able to absorb that cost. As usual, it's the poor and dwindling middle class who will suffer.
I wonder how many Bushies are now living near or at the poverty level and don't even realize it, as they continue to beat the Bush drum louder and louder.
Bravo
I do not mind in the least. I got a bit carried away, but if anyone can send me over the the top, it is Michael Moore. Sigh. lol.
Bravo! I second that!
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