Attacking a family over personal issues...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: Putting her political ambitions above Bistol - Inexscusible. Dodging issues, impotent.
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Yeah and guess what the Bush family has tight ties with the Bin Ladin family....
so give it all a rest would you.
Family values....Obama's family can't even agree
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I feel very sorry indeed for Sarah Palin and her family, she ran for VP, not her family, she should
on her experience, her political record, etc, period, no attacking children, and no one throwing stones at "sinner" daughters, that is what I mean, the media wants to put people on pedestals and then throw stones at them at they hunt down not just the public figure, but all their loved ones, I think it is disgusting, it is a HUMAN issue, has nothing to do with politics on either side, why twist my post that way?
Issues people, issues. I need issues
I'm not seeing any discussion about issues. Can we stick to the issues. Jeeze - I want to hear good and bad about both candidates but with facts to back whatever is being said.
P-L-E-A-S-E.....I want issues. How can I make any kind of determinatons about who I'm going to vote for if I don't hear about the issues. Reading some of this I'm thinking I'd get more truth if I read the National Enquirer.
Interview with Charmaine Neville, family member of the Neville musical family
September 7, 2005
Women were Being Raped, Babies were Being Killed, Alligators were Eating People, But Where the Hell was the National Guard?
How We Survived the Flood
By CHARMAINE NEVILLE
This is a transcription of an interview Charmaine Neville, of New Orleans's legendary Neville family, gave to local media outlets on Monday, September 5.
I was in my house when everything first started. When the hurricane came, it blew all the left side of my house off, and the water was coming in my house in torrents.
I had my neighbor, an elderly man, and myself, in the house with our dogs and cats, and we were trying to stay out of the water. But the water was coming in too fast. So we ended up having to leave the house.
We left the house and we went up on the roof of a school. I took a crowbar and I burst the door on the roof of the school to help people on the roof.
Later on we found a flat boat, and we went around the neighborhood in a flat boat getting people out of their houses and bringing them to the school.
We found all the food that we could and we cooked and we fed people. But then, things started getting really bad.
By the second day, the people that were there, that we were feeding and everything, we had no more food and no water. We had nothing, and other people were coming in our neighborhood. We were watching the helicopters going across the bridge and airlift other people out, but they would hover over us and tell us Hi! and that would be all. They wouldn't drop us any food or any water, or nothing.
Alligators were eating people. They had all kinds of stuff in the water. They had babies floating in the water.
We had to walk over hundreds of bodies of dead people. People that we tried to save from the hospices, from the hospitals and from the old-folks homes. I tried to get the police to help us, but I realized they were in the same straits we were. We rescued a lot of police officers in the flat boat from the 5th district police station. The guy who was in the boat, he rescued a lot of them and brought them to different places so they could be saved.
We understood that the police couldn't help us, but we couldn't understand why the National Guard and them couldn't help us, because we kept seeing them but they never would stop and help us.
Finally it got to be too much, I just took all of the people that I could. I had two old women in wheelchairs with no legs, that I rowed them from down there in that nightmare to the French Quarters, and I went back and got more people.
There were groups of us, there were about 24 of us, and we kept going back and forth and rescuing whoever we could get and bringing them to the French Quarter because we heard that there were phones in the French Quarter, and that there wasn't any water. And they were right, there were phones, but we couldn't get through to anyone.
I found some police officers. I told them that a lot of us women had been raped down there by guys, not from the neighborhood where we were, they were helping us to save people. But other men, and they came and they started raping women and they started killing, and I don't know who these people were. I'm not gonna tell you I know, because I don't.
But what I want people to understand is that, if we hadn't been left down there like the animals that they were treating us like, all of those things wouldn't have happened. People are trying to say that we stayed in that city because we wanted to be rioting and we wanted to do this and, we didn't have resources to get out, we had no way to leave.
When they gave the evacuation order, if we could've left, we would have left.
There are still thousands and thousands of people trapped in their homes in the downtown area. When we finally did get into the 9th ward, and not just in my neighborhood, but in other neighborhoods in the 9th ward, there were a lot of people still trapped down there... old people, young people, babies, pregnant women. I mean, nobody's helping them.
And I want people to realize that we did not stay in the city so we could steal and loot and commit crimes. A lot of those young men lost their minds because the helicopters would fly over us and they wouldn't stop. We would make SOS on the flashlights, we'd do everything, and it really did come to a point, where these young men were so frustrated that they did start shooting. They weren't trying to hit the helicopters, they figured maybe they weren't seeing. Maybe if they hear this gunfire they will stop then. But that didn't help us. Nothing like that helped us.
Finally, I got to Canal St. with all of my people I had saved from back there.
I don't want them arresting nobody else. I broke the window in an RTA bus. I never learned how to drive a bus in my life. I got in that bus. I loaded all of those people in wheelchairs and in everything else into that bus, and we drove and we drove and we drove and millions of people was trying to get me to help them to get on the bus, too.
Charmaine Neville is a member of the third generation of New Orleans's legendary Neville musical family. She fronts the Charmaine Neville Band.
You are the one doing the attacking
you are rude vile and insufferable. You can't see over your hatred of conservatives to even have a civil conversation. No wonder you and your candidates LOST last November. You all are so hateful it oozes from your pores.
Attacking? Please, I was not attacking.
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Why are you attacking me?
I gave an opinion of the majority of Christians as a response to the poster asking why Muslim was viewed as bad. They view Muslim as a false religion because they don't follow the Bible, rather the Quran. That's why everybody was in an uproar when they thought Obama was sworn in by the Quran. This was not my personal opinion, so don't attack me. In reality, this is the belief of the majority of Christians. They try to convert Muslims. Don't attack me as this being my personal opinion, gourdpainter. I never said it was.
No, they are attacking
I'll stick by my kool-aid comment, however, that was not in this post and I'm sick of people calling me ignorant because I believed both countries were in the middle east, especially when my friend talks of her husband in Iraq and son in Afghanistan and she refers to both countries as being in the middle east. These wars have been going on for so long I'm sick of it all.
Secondly - I admitted in a couple posts I was wrong about Obama stating in the campaign that he would not be bringing troops home and sending more over.
As for reality I have a pretty good grip on it. You know for a fact there are people who voted for Obama just because he's black! That's reality sista. I know because my brother and his friends and their freinds, and our friends in church boasted on how they didn't know his policies and they didn't care. He's black, we're black so therefore we have to vote for him because he's black. Sorry you don't like to face reality. How about the people interviewed that said that if Obama was president they wouldn't mind Sarah Palin as VP. Oh yeah, those people really understand Obama's policies. How about the people who were told McCains plan and they said yeah, that's why I'm voting for Obama, those plans there you just said. How about the thousands and thousands of people who kept boasting about if Obama gets in office that our troops will be coming home from the middle east.
I'm in touch with reality here, you are not!
And for your information. I did not attack anyone who replied to my post here but plenty attacked me for my beliefs and questions.
And if you write any more rude comments to me I am not even going to read them, so don't bother.
Another one attacking Lurker...and on and on
Unacceptable answer for word verbiage. Do people actually let you get away with that?
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Posted By: ? on 2006-03-03,
In Reply to: Find it yourself... - Lurker
You must run in really tolerant debate circles. Best stay in them. This kind of behavior is not tolerated in most political circles I know of. But it is a good example of how far we have slipped into the he said/she said atmosphere of debate in this country. Just say anything and never have to prove it. It works well for the MSM, of which you seem so fond. Well, should have known better. I am off for greener pastures and debate fields where people actually have to prove what they say. Imagine that!
Obviously, this person was not attacking. sm
The underlined part just goes to prove that they are NOT attacking liberals. I am unsure of your rationalization on this one.
I'm not attacking you, but it's funny
Isn't he half white and half black? I thought that was the case for Obama. I am voting for Obama, but I know there are people saying that he will most likely need a lot of security. The white suppremists (spelling??) are still around. I just think he is much more suited and in better health to make decisions and not always "go with the good ole boys."
Oh yeah back to the multicolored... I remember being taught when there were references made like "I don't care if he's white, purple, orange, or black." Well people don't come in orange or purple???? Know what I mean? So what is multicolored (rainbow???)... I'm not attacking, I just thought it was funny to hear someone say they don't care if he's "multi-colored."
As far as McCain - he's out of his league. The things we face and our children face need to be addressed by someone more in our age group. As far as Palin, well she should be taking care of her family first. She's a mother. I am a mother first, a wife, then an MT. .... get my drift? I love my country, but I love my children more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These are all my opinions and thoughts...
I know you weren't attacking me....
I was just telling you why I thought what I thought. sorry if I sounded defensive, didn't mean to be. :)
No one is attacking you, they are correcting you.
Oh, I see. It's okay for you to post snide remarks about others, but when you post something that is blatantly wrong and are called out the carpet for it, you accuse everyone of attacking you.
Here is a direct quote from one of your previous posts: "So, time to put down the kool-aid and get a cup of coffee and come back to reality here with the rest of us."
Apparently, your reality is based on incorrect information. Therefore, those of us who listen carefully to what President Obama says and who do not make gross generalizations that have no basis in fact have no interest in joining in with your concept of reality.
Your comment about people only voting for President Obama because he is black is a perfect example of just how out of touch with reality (or maybe just bigoted) you truly are.
Maybe you have wasted yours attacking others...
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Why are you so rudely attacking this poster?
The poster didn't make one reference to you personally in his/her post. All they did was express their opinion about the current administration without any personal references to you whatsoever.
Why are you so angry and hateful?
IMHO, You owe that poster an apology.
Some of these weirdos are attacking people
and blowing up things. Eco-terrorists are a reality. PETA disciples routinely attack people, pull the fur off their backs and spray paint people... Hey, if it happened to me I take care of the situation myself, but there are some loonies in those organizations.
It's not any more condescending than your post was attacking....
with all due respect. You view "independent" differently than I do. I was just explaining. I am not a Republican.
your post was just as one-sided and attacking as
What a shame. When I first read it, I was expecting it to be unbiased, but all I read in your post was negativity against Obama and defense of McCain. You probably would be better off on the gab board.
How is a news story such as this attacking
the other candidate?
You never get tired of attacking Christians, do you?
"And before you start quoting scriptures, please realize that the bible is not a reputable source for historical facts. It is a collection of STORIES. Nothing more, nothing less."
You're so foul and offensive it's beyond measure. You have no respect for anyone but yourself, and you continue to try to shove your twisted beliefs down everyone's throat, all the while crying "victim" whenever it suits your cause.
You know what else has been around "forever?"
Rape.
Child abuse.
Murder.
Animal cruelty.
Robbery.
War.
Insanity.
and Evil.
So apparently, because they've existed for a long time, they're okie-dokie with you.
Here's your handbasket.
So you didn't let her apology stop you from attacking her.
I know it's hard for you, but try to pay attention. Sheesh! 
It would be so nice if you weren't here. SM
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Posted By: Brunson on 2005-09-03,
In Reply to: They will never stop. Look at the post below where Brunson hopes that somebody is *hounded* off - Libby
Perhaps you enjoy stories with no kind of facts to them. I am sure you probably do. The fact remains, nanananana comes on here and tells us to stay off YOUR board which we have already done and here you are. Tell me again, WHO is it who will NEVER stop? You are looking like a fool. Since the high road seems to have disappeared for you, try the low road. Any road. Just go.
I am not attacking you, therefore I can post here. In other words, make me. :) nm
In all fairness, your posts were attacking and unkind. sm
And may have even been unfounded. I believe both of you were off base with the posts. I have once again posted a reminder at the top of the board.
This post is not attacking Palin with vitriol?
as well as being inaccurate?
If it's so great there, why don't you STAY there instead of attacking posters on this board
all the time? I don't need to grow any skin, thank you. If people are just simply NICE and treat me with respect, they receive the same in turn. It's called the golden rule. Liberals on this board follow the golden rule. It's the conservatives who must constantly attack, and frankly, it's tiresome. You add nothing of value to this board. NOTHING.
Intellect? Attacking an innnocent 16-year-old girl?
If that is intellect, you can have it!!
Stop attacking me!!!!! - and JTBB answered my question
All I asked is where will the troops be coming from that he is going to send to Afghanistan. I didn't state anything else about the troops except that a lot of us thought they'd be coming home. I know the military are committing suicide at an alarming rate. What does that have to do with the question "Where are the troops coming from that Obama is going to send to Afghanistan". The only thing transparent here is how eager you are to attack me for my thoughts and beliefs. Can't anyone ask a question anymore without being attacked for it.
I asked a question and JTBB answered it and I thanked her for it.
And for your information. I don't hate Obama. I VOTED FOR HIM IN THE PRIMARIES!!!!!!! (and don't even call me a pub cos I didn't vote for McCain either). Personally, I like Obama. Good looking guy, in great shape, beautiful family, very pleasant speaking voice. Nothing to hate there and these decisions he is telling us about are not his decisions. He is doing what he is told to do by his bosses. I guess I probably feel the same way lots of people feel about Bush lying to us on certain issues (like Obama's promise for change which he is not keeping it), except I don't have the hatred towards Obama that most do towards Bush.
Please people stop attacking me for me asking questions. If you also read any of my posts you also read that I say over and over - "If I'm wrong I'll admit it" Unlike some of the other posters.
P.S. - Thank you JTBB for being civil to me in your posts. People can disagree and be civil about it and you have shown that so thank you. The rest just please leave me alone!
Can you stick to the subject EVER? Oh wait, i'm unfairly attacking you by asking what you read,
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Evidently, my conservative friend, there is no opportunity to be missed in attacking Bush.
And threads are being hijacked on the conservative board as well. It's amazing.
Don't take it so personal...sm
This is a debate. We will not always agree. It is perfectly normal for you to agree on one thing and be opposed on something else, especially talking with people on the opposite of your political spectrum.
Ward Churchill - see below
Would I care of someone judged me for posting an F-word, no because I apologized and it truly was a mistake, believe it or not. I'm sure no such apology will come from Ann to these widows.
What question is it that I didn't answer?
You are right, it is personal. sm
And it has consequences and I am not talking about physical ones.
cant we do without the personal
attacks? Hippocrite. (A hippo crossed with a hypocrite).
SOY was the one who made it personal anyway.
**This fits many on THIS board...To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.**
Maybe you missed that because you've stereotyped, judged and sentenced the liberals already.
POLITICS NOT PERSONAL
I believe you are mistaken. It is almost impossible to carry on a political discussion without getting personal. Political alignments are based on personal beliefs. And as for you trials and tribulations, she said nothing about what you've gone through in your life with the exception of, you know nothing of persecution.
stooping to personal
insults, are we now? Did you read Wally Lamb's book "She's Come Unhinged?"" A good read.
Right back at you...without the personal hit of course..
it is obvious whose value system is skewed. You resort to name calling and personal attacks...judging one's mental health...and sorry, when you let Clinton slide on perjury you lose all credibility of if Clinton had done this you would be disgusted...while that might be personally true, you would not be on this board crucifying him. And please, don't even try to say you would not.
I have never said anything personal about Obama.
I have nothing against him. He has a beautiful family. I am sure he is sincere...the point is, I don't agree with him. I think he is the wrong man for the job. I feel strongly about that. That is why I reply.
I have never attacked him personally, made jokes nasty jokes about him, and certainly not his family. Yet i see that constantly from the other side. The extent of the hatred and nastiness on this site might not bother anyone else...but as an Independent, it puts me off the Dem party...big time, and any positives are pretty much buried in tons of mud. That seems to be the way they do politics...see it in the mainstream media, on the dailykos (referred to one poster as a place where liberals go to post opinion...have you ever read anything there??)...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
If there are any positives, please point them out to me. I would like to see them.
I suspect what the answer would be if they answered honestly. Of course they would support him. Because he is Obama. Because he is a Democrat. The rules are different for him.
There are indeed two Americas, and that is the way they want it. THeir way or the highway. Choice for them but not for anyone else. Freedom of religion as long as you never mention it. Does that sound like America to you?
we don;t need personal attacks.
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No need for personal potshots....
that actually reflect worse on you than the people you ridicule.
you have a personal vendetta against her and...
You continue to post time and time again saying sam this or sam that. We all enjoy hearing sams opinions and viewpoints. She is not the bully on this site (it seems you are). She has done nothing wrong to deserve being kicked off. Maybe the moderator ought to kick you off. How would you like it.
Moderate please do NOT kick sam off this board because others don't like what she has to say. I've never found her to be insulting towards others and from my understanding this is a board where we can all share things we have heard and our opinions. We all (well most of us) love sam and the due diligence she uses to research articles and she has never been rude to others and has done nothing to deserve being denied access. I have learned a lot from her posts.
Thank you moderator if you are reading this.
personal attacks are
not allowed on this board. Stop immediately.
personal attacks are
not allowed on this board. Stop attacking me personally with your imagining what I have or don't have in my work area. Stick to the issues.
Why the personal attacks?
This has nothing to do with this conversation. What this person makes and why they make that is none of our business. The point was that she didn't live beyond her means and doesn't want a handout and that right there makes her a heck of a lot better than a lot of people.
it is a personal choice
If you make it a religious choice, it is a toss up. Most Jews believe life begins at first breath, just like when God breathed into Adam's nostril. Protestants are divided on the issue. Many mainline/reform churches take the choice stance, including PC-USA and others.
I believe it is a tough decision, but I sure as heck don't see it as murder. Since you do, you probably should not have an abortion. Since my DH had a vasectomy, I probably won't need one. But if am raped, or the vas were to fail, you can be darn sure I want to be able to make that choice.
nothing personal - it's just politics!!! nm
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Does personal responsibility mean
get off your lazy a$$, find a job, don't expect a handout, free healthcare, free college, maybe work for a living instead of expecting those of us who have been responsible to foot your bill??
What I have is personal bitterness...(sm)
for an organization operating under the pretense of religion molesting children. Not only did they do it, they obviously condoned it by hiding the fact. I must be nice to be a religious -- it's such a blinding experience. You don't have to see the world as it really is. You can just make assumptions based on your religion.
I actually commend you on adopting children. I do, however, wish more people would adopt children in this country. I think it's a little bit of a double standard when one would go overseas to find a child to suit their desires and at the same time condemn this country over social issues.
And since you're waiting.....
http://www.adoptuskids.org/Child/ChildSearch.aspx
When you go to this page, don't change the criteria under *child profile* to look for the perfect child, just go to the bottom of the page and hit *search.* I came up with 3466 children waiting for a home -- and that's just out of one agency.
how was that a personal attack?
telling you you aren't better than everyone? At least I'm not callng people mentally challenged. yes i know that wasn't you, you are the friend that just laughs along with the bully...
and if you wanna point fingers about me not responding the way you think I should have, i dont see you responding to the person giving their opinion on what trickle up means...
give it a rest it's freaking Christmas time
you obviously HAVE to have the last word so i'll let you have it. pretty pathetic that you spend your time trying to cut other people down... is that also a personal attack?
Right on! Why take personal responsibility for
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If you are answering to me, my personal
beliefs are strongly Christian, but I am a Christian who also believes wholeheartedly in the separation between church and state, FYI. I was answering the person who is scared. Christians should not be afraid of anything, if they truly believe that God is in control. Just my opinion.
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