Ask a Vietnam Vet.
Posted By: Lydia on 2006-10-07
In Reply to: Win what??? nm - Lurker
They'll tell you.
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The war in Vietnam was
going on long before Johnson was in office. I did not post to debate his record, merely pointing out that it is possible to respond to hurricanes in a more timely manner and in person than the current administration did. 76 people died in that hurricane and Johnson thought there was nothing else more important than his being there where the country he was president of was in trouble, a stark contrast indeed.
Vietnam war total
Total U.S. military deaths in vietnam was 58,000.
Perhaps your sources of information are erroneous or just not well researched. And using common sense I believe reference was made to the course and justification of the Vietnam War, not the total casualties.
friend in Vietnam
I had two friend who went to Vietnam, one returned..and yes, he too was traumatized emotionally. He returned to his parents house and I used to stay over all the time as it was a *hang out house*..had a pool, large yard, you name it..we all hung out there (smile)..anyway, John was in Vietnam in 1969..he used to sent tapes home to his parents and we would all listen..when he returned to his parents house, forget it..you could not wake him in the morning, you would make a noise or call his name and he would jump up ready to fight you..He lived like this for a few years then he married..Since then I lost contact but I can tell ya, this guy had major issues trying to reconnect with **civilization**..I ache for the soldiers who are now fighting..the dead, the maimed and the emotionally and spiritually destroyed forever..FOR WHAT??????
Who was the victor in Vietnam?
WWII and Vietnam
I think that you have made a crucial error in believing that WWII and Vietnam are at all similar. WWII and the US Civil War were also very different wars. There are even major differences between Iraq and Vietnam and the Korean War although some historians would also find greater similarities in these three wars. You may rewrite the history of wars as well as US history to fit your agenda of political hatred, but you will never be able to present a convincing argument if you have completely questionable sources and facts to back it up.
You negate most historical records, which I admit often have some aspects of questionable validity, and you seem to re-create a fictionalized account to accommodate your rather far-out-there belief system based in hatred of the left. You rearrange and fictionalize facts and history to make your point. You provide spurious sources for your facts (I could probably find sources that prove that the earth is populated by aliens from Mars if I looked hard enough).
I also notice on the conservative board constant condemnation of liberals, leftists as a whole. We are characterized as stupid, immoral, crazy, unpatriotic, love the terrorists, cowards, angry, on and on. You are condemning at least 50 percent of the citizens of this country with those adjectives. Doesn't seem at all patriotic to me. Your group also points out nuts (like those who would spit on veterans) as representing the liberal mindset. I realize I am not going to be able to convince you of the great disservice you do to yourself with a narrow and naive mindset like that. I know many Republicans and with the exception of possibly one, none are as condemning and narrow-minded as the posts I see on your board. Thank heavens for that. While I have participated in bashing and see bashing on the liberal board, it rarely occurs in a generalized fashion toward all right-wingers. As I said, that would be a very naive assumption and the root of bigotry and prejudice and ultimately hatred is in the grouping of all peoples as being of one mindset.....think of Muslims, blacks in the south pre-Civil Rights, Native Americans in the 1800s (and even now). So easy to ridicule and oppress when we don't see folks as individuals. Actually the comments I see made about the liberal mindset are so far removed from the reality of most liberals in the United States it verges on the ridiculous, well no, it doesn't verge on the ridiculous, it IS ridiculous.
As far as your further condemnation of Democrats as far as blacks and their allegiances, I believe most informed political science folks would be the first to admit that the party doctrines have evolved over time. What probably counts most is the current party belief system. Just some common sense.
End of sermon.
I stand corrected on the Vietnam number
but people who say this is "another Vietnam" and a quagmire is also an erroneous statement.....1,700 is a far cry from 58,000, although EVERY life lost in the fight for freedom is very valuable and not to be taken lightly and I don't think anybody does.....
The Vietnam Vets call McCain "Songbird." sm
Google it. If what they say is true, he is a traitor. Hopefully, he will be the next target of the Swiftboat Vets. You are right, people will only see what they want to see no matter how much evidence you put in their faces. McCain is a RINO, not a conservative. He is also CFR (a globalist), which is even worse. I wonder who in the heck is voting for him. All the conservatives I know are freaking out about him being the possible nominee.
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